What? According to the article, the Civil War started in 1852?????? Fails here.

Did he fark the shiat out of bears? Did he have like thirty god-damn dicks?

No?

Then I don't care.

Zamboro Quote 2009-07-03 02:18:32 PM
Momzilla59: "Thomas Jefferson is the coolest and probably the smartest guy to ever hold office in this country. He's #1 on my list."

I absolutely agree.


"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes"

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own"

""Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

"It is not to be understood that I am with him [Jesus] in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist."



Let's see someone like that get elected in the modern day. I'd eat my hat.


Good at making up Jefferson quotes for your atheist hate agenda I see. With exception to the first one which you just rewrote.

I am Sally Hemmings so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

Some other Jefferson quotes. Many of his quotes would piss off the Democrats.


For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.

Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a Censor - over each other.

I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

It is in our lives and not our words that our religion must be read.

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Never spend your money before you have earned it.

No government ought to be without censors; and where the press is free no one ever will.

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.


- What a facist neocon.

The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.

The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.


- AMEN

logruszed: Did he fark the shiat out of bears? Did he have like thirty god-damn dicks?

No?

Then I don't care.

lol! That just made my thread!

I love the Matisse style illustrations.

Mongo Cut Wood: "Good at making up Jefferson quotes for your atheist hate agenda I see. With exception to the first one which you just rewrote."

You have accused me of fabricating quotes. That is a lie, and you are a contemptible liar. Anyone can confirm with a bit of googling that they're taken from his letters to Baron Von Humboldt, H. Spaffer and so on, i.e. private correspondence.

It is no wonder that his public declarations were pious, as he was the president of a nation that was demographically Christian.

I might also point out that Jefferson never said "That government is best which governs least". It was actually Henry David Thoreau. Some of the others you've provided are a bit suspect as well.

I've also found however that the "fables and mythology" quote was from a letter he wrote which has never been produced and thus cannot be confirmed as something he actually said. Fair's fair. Here are the others and a few more, from a site that was good enough to provide sources:


"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." ~1787 letter to his nephew

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." ~Notes on Virginia

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes" ~Letter to von Humboldt, 1813

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." ~Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own" ~Letter to H. Spafford, 1814


By the way, my position is not that Jefferson was an atheist as he lived in more ignorant times and therefore can be excused for his religiosity. He was a deist and a materialist in that he believed angels, souls and even God to have material form. While I can't agree with him on that, his condemnations of religion and Christianity in particular are spot-on.

Here's two more, let me know if I missed any.

"...those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame." - Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, Washington, 21 March 1801

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Zamboro: Mongo Cut Wood: "Good at making up Jefferson quotes for your atheist hate agenda I see. With exception to the first one which you just rewrote."

You have accused me of fabricating quotes. That is a lie, and you are a contemptible liar. Anyone can confirm with a bit of googling that they're taken from his letters to Baron Von Humboldt, H. Spaffer and so on, i.e. private correspondence.

It is no wonder that his public declarations were pious, as he was the president of a nation that was demographically Christian.

He wasn't Christian. He was a deist. He believed in God. There is a big difference. He did have some contempt for organized religion, but made it clear that it did not infringe on his rights.

DamnYankees: mfaby: 1) There is absolutely NO PROOF that he slept with Sally Hemmings.
None. Zero. Zip. Again, this comes from a smear by a political
opponent. His two nephews were known to sleep with the slaves but
that is as close to TJ as the researchers can get.

Didn't they do DNA analysis on the black people who claim to be his descendents, and they do match with his known white descendents?

Jefferson had no white son who lived into adulthood, so the Jefferson males they tested were descendants of his uncle, Field Jefferson. Thus the DNA match discovered in the descendants of one of Sally Hemings' children showed only that that child was fathered by one of several Jefferson males known to live at or frequent Monticello at the time she became pregnant.

As for his supposed "relationship" with Hemings while he was in France, the descendants of the son born at that time show no Jefferson DNA.

Jefferson DNA studies (new window)

badhatharry: "He wasn't Christian. He was a deist. He believed in God. There is a big difference. He did have some contempt for organized religion, but made it clear that it did not infringe on his rights."

Uh, yeah. I know. I don't know where you got the impression that I (A) thought he was something other than a deist, and (B) don't know the difference between deist and Christian.

Zamboro: badhatharry: "He wasn't Christian. He was a deist. He believed in God. There is a big difference. He did have some contempt for organized religion, but made it clear that it did not infringe on his rights."

Uh, yeah. I know. I don't know where you got the impression that I (A) thought he was something other than a deist, and (B) don't know the difference between deist and Christian.

It is no wonder that his public declarations were pious, as he was the president of a nation that was demographically Christian.

It thought you were suggesting that his pious public declarations were insincere and that he did not actually believe in God.

badhatharry: "It thought you were suggesting that his pious public declarations were insincere and that he did not actually believe in God."

Ah, no. But it's not a binary issue, is it? He could have believed in god (and he did) despite harboring very critical views about Christianity, views he contradicted in his public speeches because many of the things he's said in private about Christianity and the Bible would have incited riots had he repeated them at the podium. That's what I was getting at. Let's not pretend there wasn't an enormous chilling effect in play at the time, even proper atheists would have masqueraded as Christians unless they were influential and popular enough for other reasons that they could get away with it.