It's too bad cognitive dissonance isn't painful. I would have much schaudenfreude.

It's not that democrats have no history of racism - like all parties it has not remained ideologically static through history. That's not the stupid part of the article. What's stupid is all the time that people waste asking for apologies, or delivering scripted and canned responses as though it farking means anything.

And then everyone sits around sucking each others' dicks as though some righteous accord had finally been reached, all due to a symbolic but otherwise pointless 'apology.' Christ.

Stay Cool Babylon: It's not that democrats have no history of racism - like all parties it has not remained ideologically static through history. That's not the stupid part of the article. What's stupid is all the time that people waste asking for apologies, or delivering scripted and canned responses as though it farking means anything.

And then everyone sits around sucking each others' dicks as though some righteous accord had finally been reached, all due to a symbolic but otherwise pointless 'apology.' Christ.

Also, this.

He asked the Dems to apologize? Weird.

Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

I love how the look on Pres. Obama's face seems to say "not this shiat again"

I was wondering how stupid the author of this article had to be, and having some trouble coming up with an answer. Then I read her other articles, the ones linked on the side, and I found my answer. Which is, "extremely."

Asa Phelps: I love how the look on Pres. Obama's face seems to say "not this shiat again"

I had to back and ook at tfa...then I lol'd.

I'm not as enthusiastic about Obama as I was when he first took office, but no matter what happens I will have eternal respect for any man who was able to withstand the sheer torrents of shiat being flung at him from all directions. all presidents get screwed in one way or the other, but this poor bastard is literally the target of the final (read: worse) death throes of a terminally ill opposition party. Jesus, even 'blue chip blacks' want something stupid from him.

Dear black middle class: I am sorry to have lumped you in with black republicans who believed it when someone told them the GOP will help them keep more of their earnings, thus forgiving all other sins and making it okay to support the GOP.

this evening's typos are NOT brought to you by the letter "S" (as in scotch). Batteries in keyboard are low.

OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

Log Cabin African-Americans?

AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

Thing is, your post still makes a point. There is a valid claim of historical racism from the democratic party (it was all the rage, back then). What's retarded is anyone asking for a farking speech. We're now knee-deep in a bullshiat culture where organized, press-attended mea culpas are all the rage. Obama's apology would be on behalf of history, but it's still equally pointless.

Meanwhile, real, current racism and absolute atrocities occur in the world, but we're all stuck in the ER waiting our turn to have the thumbs removed from our assholes.

But hey, as long as (insert individual or ethnic, religious, or otherwise "look at me!" group) gets a symbolic apology, I guess it's all good.

/believe it or not, I'm a flaming social liberal - have just lost the stomach for unicorn dialogue of atonement. STFU and, really, GBTW on fixing what's STILL wrong in the world.

I think Affirmative Action is racist as hell in this day and age. It says that blacks are not as smart as whites, or Asians and need extra help just to compete. It's bullshiat.

Subby, go f yourself. Seriously.

I wonder how many people are actually in the National Black Republican Association.

AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

All three of them?

Stay Cool Babylon: Asa Phelps: I love how the look on Pres. Obama's face seems to say "not this shiat again"

I had to back and ook at tfa...then I lol'd.

I'm not as enthusiastic about Obama as I was when he first took office, but no matter what happens I will have eternal respect for any man who was able to withstand the sheer torrents of shiat being flung at him from all directions. all presidents get screwed in one way or the other, but this poor bastard is literally the target of the final (read: worse) death throes of a terminally ill opposition party. Jesus, even 'blue chip blacks' want something stupid from him.

Dear black middle class: I am sorry to have lumped you in with black republicans who believed it when someone told them the GOP will help them keep more of their earnings, thus forgiving all other sins and making it okay to support the GOP.

I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Nemo's Brother: I think Affirmative Action is racist as hell in this day and age. It says that blacks are not as smart as whites, or Asians and need extra help just to compete. I have no idea what Affirmative Action is but it's bullshiat.

FIFY

All right, so the "Democrat party" bullshiat is from the article, not subby.

Still.

eraser8: I wonder how many people are actually in the National Black Republican Association.

As noted earlier, you'd be amazed at how many people still believe that the GOP has anything to do with fiscal restraint. That's a powerful incentive to join a bunch of seriously stodgy white guys who would probably be nervous if a real live black person offered them a stick of gum.

Nemo's Brother: I think Affirmative Action is racist as hell in this day and age. It says that blacks are not as smart as whites, or Asians and need extra help just to compete. It's bullshiat.

I don't know if it is racist but it is a cop-out. Politicians don't feel like fixing inner-city schools (and inner cities, period) and it is a sop to minorities. However, until they do make an effort AA is the best that we are going to get.

TFA: They are asking it solely from the Democrat Party. Further, they ask Democrats to stop "issuing unwarranted apologies on behalf of America, while simultaneously using racial politics for partisan political gain."

Hey, stop issuing so many apologies for stuff that happened in the past! Also, when are you going to apologize for all that stuff you did in the past?

JackofBlades: When they go ahead and apologize for all of the black people leeching off of our welfare system, shooting at us, mugging us, spewing racist remarks and being generally ungrateful for all the help we've given us, destroying everything they touch and completely ruining pop culture, perhaps we Democrats will consider apologizing to their black asses.

That, um, was a joke, right?

apistat: TFA: They are asking it solely from the Democrat Party. Further, they ask Democrats to stop "issuing unwarranted apologies on behalf of America, while simultaneously using racial politics for partisan political gain."

Hey, stop issuing so many apologies for stuff that happened in the past! Also, when are you going to apologize for all that stuff you did in the past?

They are not only stupid, but insane.

LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Nemo's Brother: I think Affirmative Action is racist as hell in this day and age. It says that blacks are not as smart as whites, or Asians and need extra help just to compete. It's bullshiat.

I agree.

And so does Zo (new window)

Well, we finally apologized for slavery last month, so let's go ahead and apologize for racism throughout, too. And when is someone going to apologize for that racist robot duo in Transformers 2?

Ctrl+f "Maryland Political Parties" in that article.

Get ready to laugh.

MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

In other news, the gays are out to destroy marriage, the muslims are going to blow us all up and the mexicans are stealing all your jobs.

JackofBlades: When they go ahead and apologize for all of the black people leeching off of our welfare system...

I know I shouldn't feed trolls...but there are some serious people who use this same logic of collective responsibility.

Who or what are the "they" you're referring to? Is there some secret society that speaks for all black people and is responsible for anything a black person does anywhere in the world?

National Black Republican Association?

What, all 8 members?

MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Oh, so it's the Democrats who have a monopoly on that bullshiat?

Know how I know you're a partisan farkwit?

PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Democrat Party, eh?

Shouldn't they be calling themselves the National Black Republic Association, then?

MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Go turn on Fox and watch Beck, hannity, and O'Reilly.

Come back and tell me how many times they mentions "us against them" in five minutes.

eraser8: I wonder how many people are actually in the National Black Republican Association.

michael steele.

and his mom.

MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Aww, cute.

Fart_Machine: PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

WORST ASTROTURFING JOB EVAR

Priceless

Don't leave home without it.

heap: eraser8: I wonder how many people are actually in the National Black Republican Association.

michael steele.

and his mom.

I bet Steele's mom goes to church and apologizes for her "no good cracker backing uncle tom son of mine!"

Seriously, I'd say I'm 99% sure.

His mom was born into a sharecroping family and raised him and livedin D.C. through civil rights. I bet she is as ashamed as can be.

AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

So why ask today's Democrats to apologize for the actions of all the Souther Democrats that left the party when Northern Democrats pushed for civil rights? It's as if the National Black Republican Association is willfully ignoring history to score political points.

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Richard Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.[3]
While Phillips was concerned with polarizing ethnic voting in general, and not just with winning the white South, this was by far the biggest prize yielded by his approach. Its success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate and House, as legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP.
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PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Thanks! I needed a good laugh!

Phil Herup: Priceless

Don't leave home without it.

Steele claimed someone threw oreos at him...nobody else remembers it.

The Democrats do have a significant history of racism. The KKK was basically the militant arm of the Democratic party for a while. However, I think these guys missed a little thing called the Southern Strategy.

PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

NBRA? "Nnnnnnnnn, Bra!" Seriously though, I can't even discuss that page with a straight face.

JackofBlades: Look at all of the organizations out there that claim to speak for black people.

The National Black Republican Association doesn't speak for black people. It speaks for both members of the National Black Republican Association.

And what difference would it make if the National Black Republican Association claimed to speak for black people? I could claim I'm the pope...doesn't make it true.

Fart_Machine: PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Go to the pics from the conventions and stuff. A bunch of picture of constipated pasty white people and the same black chick.

AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

They're black republicans. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

kleppe: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

No way, dude!

RemyDuron: The KKK was basically the militant arm of the Democratic party for a while.

IN THE SOUTH. But, in the South, there wasn't much competition. It was the Democratic party or nothing. In places where the parties were competitive, the KKK tended to be more Republican. William McKinley, Republican of Ohio, for example, was a KKK favorite.

Sabyen91: Steele claimed someone threw oreos at him...nobody else remembers it.



I'd throw an Oreo^TM at him.

..and I like him*


*to a point

PascalsGhost: Fart_Machine: PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Go to the pics from the conventions and stuff. A bunch of picture of constipated pasty white people and the same black chick.

The political cartoon drawn by a third-grader really ties it together.

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Steele claimed someone threw oreos at him...nobody else remembers it.



I'd throw an OreoTM at him.

..and I like him*


*to a point

He seems like he would be right at home in the Three Stooges...and he wouldn't me Moe. Everything he says haunts him.

Both of them want an apology? That's harsh.

These are the same people that argue that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. He actually supported Eisenhower--the last Republican to get elected while losing heavily in the Deep South--and stayed neutral in the Kennedy vs. Nixon election, and lambasted Republicans for nominating Goldwater.

As long as you stop reading history after the mid-Sixties, they have a point.

I never realized Dr. King was a Republican. That was enlightening.

Sabyen91: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Steele claimed someone threw oreos at him...nobody else remembers it.



I'd throw an OreoTM at him.

..and I like him*


*to a point

He seems like he would be right at home in the Three Stooges...and he wouldn't me Moe. Everything he says haunts him.

Steele is the dumbest most politically inept brother in the history of man, but he's black.

Nah, Democrats are not racists.

After they, they do not have a president who used to attend a white-hating, anti-semitic church, Klansmen or activists who call New York "Hymie Town"

Swampthing in Korea: Nah, Democrats are not racists.

After they, they do not have a president who used to attend a white-hating, anti-semitic church, Klansmen or activists who call New York "Hymie Town"

Dude, we elected a black man. Give it up.

eraser8: In places where the parties were competitive, the KKK tended to be more Republican.

This is a point that deserves some elaboration. In the Northeast, especially, it was the Democratic party that was welcoming to immigrants, interested in international engagement and supportive of unions, positions the Klan vehemently opposed. So, in those areas, the KKK tended to favor Republicans. In the South, the KKK and the Democratic party were practically the same organization, more or less.

Also, whose dumb idea was it to schedule a flamewar at this hour? Tomorrow may be a holiday, but I still have to be up early.

Going to bed.

eraser8: Also, whose dumb idea was it to schedule a flamewar at this hour? Tomorrow may be a holiday, but I still have to be up early.

Going to bed.

Heh, I have off. Night, eraser8

PascalsGhost: I never realized Dr. King was a Republican.


He was a Libertarian.

Racism is big business for democrats. It will always exist as long as they have an opposition to them.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: I never realized Dr. King was a Republican.


He was a Libertarian.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: I never realized Dr. King was a Republican.


He was a Libertarian.

Hehe, THAT is funny.

MFL: Racism is big business for democrats. It will always exist as long as they have an opposition to them.

Surrrrrre. You go with that.

Nemo's Brother: I think Affirmative Action is racist as hell in this day and age. It says that blacks are not as smart as whites, or Asians and need extra help just to compete. It's bullshiat.

It's the racism of lowered expectations.

Sabyen91: He seems like he would be right at home in the Three Stooges.

kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

A lot of people don't realize that the Democrats were the party of segregation up until the last 50-60 years...

It's really interesting how the pendulum shifts. The Republicans were once the more liberal of the two parties!

PascalsGhost: I never realized Dr. King was a Republican. That was enlightening.



Did you know that the KKK was the Terrorist Arm of the Democrat Party? (new window)

Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

secularsage: A lot of people don't realize that the Democrats were the party of segregation up until the last 50-60 years...

It's really interesting how the pendulum shifts. The Republicans were once the more liberal of the two parties!

And these 10 schmucks don't realize the pendulum swung back long ago.

I'll apologize once you stop being so black.

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

What would possibly make him a Libertarian?

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Sabyen91: What would possibly make him a Libertarian?


Well lets see...

Freedom
Equality
Fairness

Stay Cool Babylon: Thing is, your post still makes a point. There is a valid claim of historical racism from the democratic party (it was all the rage, back then). What's retarded is anyone asking for a farking speech. We're now knee-deep in a bullshiat culture where organized, press-attended mea culpas are all the rage. Obama's apology would be on behalf of history, but it's still equally pointless.

This is nothing more than trying to get Democrats on tape apologizing so they can play the apology during the next election cycle. There is no other reason to ask for this. If you were truly this offended, you would read up on history and then understand why this was a bullshiat request.

Fart_Machine: Because King was an avowed socialist.


He championed black self-sufficiency.

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: What would possibly make him a Libertarian?


Well lets see...

Freedom
Equality
Fairness

Um, yeah, that is hardly libertarian. I am not saying libertarians don't believe in those but so does every party in the US.

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: What would possibly make him a Libertarian?


Well lets see...

Freedom
Equality
Fairness

A socialist. Don't be this big an idiot.

Phil Herup: Fart_Machine: Because King was an avowed socialist.


He championed black self-sufficiency.

Quote from the Heritage Foundation.

"Conservatives did not, and do not, agree with all of Dr. King's political positions. In particular, we think Dr. King looked too much to government, too much to the welfare state, and not sufficiently to entrepreneurial capitalism, to win economic opportunity for African-Americans. But there was a deeply conservative message throughout Dr. King's life and work, and we are fortunate today to have with us two distinguished speakers who will talk about the conservative virtues of Dr. King."

Phil Herup: Fart_Machine: Because King was an avowed socialist.


He championed black self-sufficiency.

He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.

Phil Herup: Fart_Machine: Because King was an avowed socialist.


He championed black self-sufficiency.

Do some reading on the Poor People's Campaign.

Sabyen91: I am not saying libertarians don't believe in those but so does every party in the US.


Wrong.

Democrats do not believe in fairness, and they have limits on freedom

Republicans have limits on freedom.

Sabyen91: In particular, we think Dr. King looked too much to government, too much to the welfare state, and not sufficiently to entrepreneurial capitalism, to win economic opportunity for African-Americans

Sounds pretty liberal...

Phil Herup: Sabyen91: I am not saying libertarians don't believe in those but so does every party in the US.


Wrong.

Democrats do not believe in fairness, and they have limits on freedom

Republicans have limits on freedom.

Libertarians have limits on freedom. They just kick it to the states.

PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.

Bzzt.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.

No wonder you guys go all wharrgarrbl on Socialism. You don't even know what it is.

secularsage: A lot of people don't realize that the Democrats were the party of segregation up until the last 50-60 years...

It's really interesting how the pendulum shifts. The Republicans were once the more liberal of the two parties!

Right, and as long as you ignore the last 50-60 years, the National Black Republican Association has a point. But seriously, should people ignore the fact that Northern, liberal, Rockefeller Republicans have lost power, and many high-level Southern Republicans embraced the whole "Lost Cause" mythology? Just look at Trent Lott--the guy successfully got Confederate President Jefferson Davis' citizenship posthumously restored, used Davis' old desk in his office, and claimed that the spirit of Jefferson Davis lives in the Republican Party platform.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.



Wow. I mean, the stupidity is amazing. Do you just ignore the countries you disagree with?

Dr.King was a socialist.

PascalsGhost: Wow. I mean, the stupidity is amazing. Do you just ignore the countries you disagree with?


GTFO of here.


You want to fellate Dr. King and socialism.. go right ahead.


"You gots to get on
the welfare people!
... that is whitey
money!"

eraser8: RemyDuron: The KKK was basically the militant arm of the Democratic party for a while.

IN THE SOUTH. But, in the South, there wasn't much competition. It was the Democratic party or nothing. In places where the parties were competitive, the KKK tended to be more Republican. William McKinley, Republican of Ohio, for example, was a KKK favorite.

Well, the KKK started in the South. It spread everywhere later, but IIRC the KKK that went nation wide had a somewhat different message than the KKK as it started. It started as, pretty much, an organization for middle class white dudes who hated black people and northerners. When it went nation wide it became more about protecting American whites from jews, communists, and blacks.

PascalsGhost: MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Go turn on Fox and watch Beck, hannity, and O'Reilly.

Come back and tell me how many times they mentions "us against them" in five minutes.

Half as much as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Cynthia McKinney has, would be my guess. Those three have done more to hurt the equality cause than any grand wizard (including Senator Byrd) could ever do.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: Wow. I mean, the stupidity is amazing. Do you just ignore the countries you disagree with?


GTFO of here.


You want to fellate Dr. King and socialism.. go right ahead.


"You gots to get on
the welfare people!
... that is whitey
money!"

You want to ignore all the Republicans that denounced King as a socialist in the 80s when Congress was debating a holiday in his honor, go right ahead.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: Wow. I mean, the stupidity is amazing. Do you just ignore the countries you disagree with?


GTFO of here.


You want to fellate Dr. King and socialism.. go right ahead.


"You gots to get on
the welfare people!
... that is whitey
money!"

check out who all thinks he was a socialist. Link (new window)

Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

The National Black Republican Association (NBRA)

their acronym is dangerously close to NAMBLA.

Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Donald_McRonald: King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor": appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity", but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

King was a great man and a hero for the cause of freedom, but he wasn't perfect and he was wrong in many aspects. Einstein was smarter than any of us, but he could never figure out how to drive a car with any efficiencies. His mind and body just couldn't connect.

Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Go turn on Fox and watch Beck, hannity, and O'Reilly.

Come back and tell me how many times they mentions "us against them" in five minutes.

Half as much as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Cynthia McKinney has, would be my guess. Those three have done more to hurt the equality cause than any grand wizard (including Senator Byrd) could ever do.

Really? They got news shows now flipdick?

McKinney? You talking points are a few years old.

The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Nemo's Brother: Donald_McRonald: King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor": appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity", but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

King was a great man and a hero for the cause of freedom, but he wasn't perfect and he was wrong in many aspects. Einstein was smarter than any of us, but he could never figure out how to drive a car with any efficiencies. His mind and body just couldn't connect.

Yeah. fark the poor.

Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

PascalsGhost: Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: MFL: Nemo's Brother I hope that after Obama, every American will be judged on their merits. There will no longer be a "black candidate" or "white candidate" or any of that crap. I do not like most of Obama's policies and hope he is a one-termer, but it was about friggin time that a black person was elected President.

Democrats would never let that happen. Labeling people and pitting them against each other is big business...and business is good.

Go turn on Fox and watch Beck, hannity, and O'Reilly.

Come back and tell me how many times they mentions "us against them" in five minutes.

Half as much as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Cynthia McKinney has, would be my guess. Those three have done more to hurt the equality cause than any grand wizard (including Senator Byrd) could ever do.

Really? They got news shows now flipdick?

McKinney? You talking points are a few years old.

They are knocking on my door all the time asking for reparations. I wonder when the last time any of these people have even seen Jackson, Sharpton or McKinney.

PascalsGhost: MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

Detroit, the state of California, Baltimore, Chicago, Richmond city and the school districts of every major city have been Democrat-controlled for decades. How are they working out again?

Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

Being white doesn't mean you don't understand that being born white is an advantage.

Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

"They" are one woman with a bad website you stupid cocksucker.

Try to catch up.

PascalsGhost: Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

"They" are one woman with a bad website you stupid cocksucker.

Try to catch up.

Well, that wouldn't be fair if he had to be intellectually honest.

PascalsGhost: "They" are one woman with a bad website you stupid cocksucker.

Try to catch up.

He feels a certain kinship with anyone whose chosen goal in life is to score cheap political points against the demmycrat party.

Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

Detroit, the state of California,

What? Need I point out the Republicans in CA recently?

Baltimore, Chicago, Richmond

Boston, Seattle, San Fran, Portland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles? I mean, do you think all US cities are in decline?

Do you leave the basement?



city and the school districts of every major city have been Democrat-controlled for decades.

Completely full of shiat. Why argue if you don't even know what you are talking about dumbass?

Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

Being white doesn't mean you don't understand that being born white is an advantage.

So let's hate everyone born white. Tell me what advantages my hypothetical white children would have over the children of Obama or Powells? Despite they have financial advantages, access to the best education in the country, and the best connections in the world, they would still receive favoritism on the SATs and job apps? I'm not for any AA but if it must be implemented, it should be based on social class, not race. But you ignored my earlier post because it was inconvenient and resorted to name-calling. You sound like an alt to Pascal's Ghost. Don't be like him. You can disagree with me if you want, but don't be like him. I have never seen nor heard a single positive word out of his mouth/pen. He is a negative entity and obviously very unhappy.

PascalsGhost: Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

Detroit, the state of California,

What? Need I point out the Republicans in CA recently?

Baltimore, Chicago, Richmond

Boston, Seattle, San Fran, Portland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles? I mean, do you think all US cities are in decline?

Do you leave the basement?



city and the school districts of every major city have been Democrat-controlled for decades.

Completely full of shiat. Why argue if you don't even know what you are talking about dumbass?

We spend more than any other civilized nation and our status is dwindling. That is a fact. I love how you have to add name-calling into every post you every leave. You are just a miserable human being trying to make others equally so. I feel sorry for you.

Donald_McRonald: PascalsGhost: "They" are one woman with a bad website you stupid cocksucker.

Try to catch up.

He feels a certain kinship with anyone whose chosen goal in life is to score cheap political points against the demmycrat party.

Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are merely one woman with a web site? Interesting. You are dumber than you sound.

LOL, out of curiosity I went to the wiki of famous black republicans.

Its so depserate for filler, they have Homer Plessy and P. B. S. Pinchback on it LOL

MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

PascalsGhost Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

They haven't fixed Pearl Jam.

PascalsGhost: LOL, out of curiosity I went to the wiki of famous black republicans.

Its so depserate for filler, they have Homer Plessy and P. B. S. Pinchback on it LOL

Woow. Nice change of subject. Just in time. I am retiring now. I hope you find happiness so that you don't have to rely on calling strangers from the Internet names to feel adequate.

They're right. It's a damn shame that the Democrats used this ad to get...hey, waitaminute. Lee Atwater ran that ad for Bush, Sr...

And it's a damn shame the way that Obama used that "Magical Negro" song to denigr...oh, wait, that was someone else too, wasn't it?



And THIS was certainly a horrible example of Obama, and the Democrats cruelly preying on the black communit...oops.

And who can forget Trent Lott's strong support of State's rights? Reagan's race baiting history? Or the Dixiecrats who were Democrats who were so hoppin' mad about the state of the Democratic party that they...became Republicans? Strong advocates for the rights, like Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms. And of course, I'm sure that the NBRA is fond of the Southern Strategy that cost the Democrats so much, with their support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, true?

If anyone needs to apologize, it's my own party. For far too long, we've embraced a strategy that has divided Americans by race, and we've used racial politics as a dividing line--and all the while, we have talking heads who ignore our own excesses and transgressions, while trying to paint our political rivals.

I have an idea: instead of demanding others do, why don't we lead by example. Responsibility, if we want to be the party of responsibility, we need to accept ours. And rather than demand apologies from others, we mend our own fences and earn the trust and respect of the people of this country. That is how you take responsibility. If that is what we want to embody, then we need to actually do it, rather than puff out chests and point fingers.

MFL: They haven't fixed Pearl Jam.

According to Dr. Ron Paul fixing Pearl Jam is against the constitution.

/Got nothin'

Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: Nemo's Brother: PascalsGhost: MFL: The democratic party has had a monopoly in places like Chicago and Detroit for like 40 years "fighting hard" for the black man. One of these days they are going to deliver the promise America. Just keep voting.

Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!

Detroit, the state of California,

What? Need I point out the Republicans in CA recently?

Baltimore, Chicago, Richmond

Boston, Seattle, San Fran, Portland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles? I mean, do you think all US cities are in decline?

Do you leave the basement?



city and the school districts of every major city have been Democrat-controlled for decades.

Completely full of shiat. Why argue if you don't even know what you are talking about dumbass?

We spend more than any other civilized nation and our status is dwindling.

It is? using what metric? Do we not lead the world economically and militarily? Who comes close?

What does this have to do with Democratic cities?

That is a fact.

Source?

I love how you have to add name-calling into every post you every leave. You are just a miserable human being trying to make others equally so. I feel sorry for you.

Here's one for you:

So let's hate everyone born white. Tell me what advantages my hypothetical white children would have over the children of Obama or Powells? Despite they have financial advantages, access to the best education in the country, and the best connections in the world, they would still receive favoritism on the SATs and job apps? I

You white children will be horribly disadvantaged as they will by definition have your genes, making them below average intelligence, which is a bad thing to start with.

PascalsGhost LOL, out of curiosity I went to the wiki of famous black republicans

They have this guy?

Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Sabyen91: Nemo's Brother: Helen_Arigby: kleppe: AirForceVet: Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

And racist generalizations are easier.

So, would that be...self-racist? Is that even wrong?

Yeah. Being white doesn't excuse you from hating all other white people. It just makes you an asshole. The funny thing is that this thread started because you are criticizing black people for that very thing. They aren't self-hating, they just beleive that they are no different than anyone else and can compete with anyone else, but your perception doesn't see it that way. You see them as black-hating blacks and came on here to condemn them. Your double-standards are nearly a laugh, but they are really a cry.

Being white doesn't mean you don't understand that being born white is an advantage.

So let's hate everyone born white. Tell me what advantages my hypothetical white children would have over the children of Obama or Powells? Despite they have financial advantages, access to the best education in the country, and the best connections in the world, they would still receive favoritism on the SATs and job apps? I'm not for any AA but if it must be implemented, it should be based on social class, not race. But you ignored my earlier post because it was inconvenient and resorted to name-calling. You sound like an alt to Pascal's Ghost. Don't be like him. You can disagree with me if you want, but don't be like him. I have never seen nor heard a single positive word out of his mouth/pen. He is a negative entity and obviously very unhappy.

My white child has an advantage over most minorities in that he goes to a good public school. You know, a white one.

...Democrat Party...
...Democrat Party's 150-year history of racism...
...They are asking it solely from the Democrat Party....
...The organization places the blame for current racial divides in America at the feet of the Democrat Party...
...they contend the Democrat Party is ...
...the socialist policies of the Democrat Party harm blacks...
...the socialism of the Democrat Party uses a "despicable..strategy...
...there are two main reasons for black support of the Democrat Party, despite the fact that most blacks are generally conservative....
...he Democrat Party insists on blacks' dependence on the government....
...The newsletter details President Obama's practice of "the politics of poverty"...

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how tiny and pathetic you are.

MFL:

PascalsGhost: Seattle ain't elected a Republican for longer than that, but there isn't a city you'd rather be in. So that must mean Democrats sure social ills! YEAH!


MFL: They haven't fixed Pearl Jam.



He is probably more of a Citizen Dick fan. :P

RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

MFL: PascalsGhost LOL, out of curiosity I went to the wiki of famous black republicans

They have this guy?

That was my point. What farking black wouldn't have been Republican then? Christ. Its the same thing as them all being dems now.

SupremeLeader
You do know that Dr. King was a Christian?

Don't you dare call him that!!!!

Nemo's Brother: Donald_McRonald: PascalsGhost: "They" are one woman with a bad website you stupid cocksucker.

Try to catch up.

He feels a certain kinship with anyone whose chosen goal in life is to score cheap political points against the demmycrat party.

Jesse Jackson and Sharpton are merely one woman with a web site? Interesting. You are dumber than you sound.

Gimmick troll is gimmicky.

RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

He didn't vote for Stalin in 1960!

MFL: SupremeLeader
You do know that Dr. King was a Christian?

Don't you dare call him that!!!!

I heard he was a heterosexual too...

Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

Oh sorry, you're not Phil.

Go look up the Poor People's Campaign and tell me how much of a Libertarian King was.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

All I said was that King voted Republican until 1960. Why that makes me an idiot when it's the truth, I have no idea. So congratulations. By resorting to an insult right off the bat with no provocation, you've already lost.

I can prove what I say. You throw insults and apparently think that makes you correct.

SupremeLeader
You do know that Dr. King was a Christian?

MFL: Don't you dare call him that!!!!

hubiestubert I heard he was a heterosexual too...

Subby should apologize to the thread for not knowing the difference between a noun and an adjective.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

All I said was that King voted Republican until 1960. Why that makes me an idiot when it's the truth, I have no idea. So congratulations. By resorting to an insult right off the bat with no provocation, you've already lost.

I can prove what I say. You throw insults and apparently think that makes you correct.

I have to apologize as well. Knee jerk and all. This is kind of the point though. This group is asking for an apology from a group that shucked the racists in the 60's. Blacks voting for Republicans in the 60's made sense since they were the more progressive party (until dems got rid of the racist southern dems).

RevMercutio: All I said was that King voted Republican until 1960.

Which means, um, nothing.

His father was a Republican as well. Many blacks were because Republicans at that time were associated as the Party of Lincoln. That was before there was an active campaign to recruit disgruntled Dixiecrats pissed at Truman.

Now what does this have to do with King's ideology or his campaign for government intervention of social justice for the poor?

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

All I said was that King voted Republican until 1960. Why that makes me an idiot when it's the truth, I have no idea. So congratulations. By resorting to an insult right off the bat with no provocation, you've already lost.

Really? I just didn't expect this from you. Really.

I can prove what I say.

No you can't.

You throw insults and apparently think that makes you correct.

Facts make me correct. This kind of retard bullshiat earns you the insults.

eraser8: IN THE SOUTH. But, in the South, there wasn't much competition. It was the Democratic party or nothing. In places where the parties were competitive, the KKK tended to be more Republican. William McKinley, Republican of Ohio, for example, was a KKK favorite.

indeed - when the klan pretty much ran the government in the state of indiana, it was overwhelmingly republican.

the government was overwhelmingly republican, so..kinda a similar situation to the south. they were overwhelmingly of one party because everybody was overwhelmingly of one party.

RevMercutio:

Give me the proof King voted Republican.

Not his dad. King.

Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.



socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio:

Give me the proof King voted Republican.

Not his dad. King.

I wouldn't doubt he did in the 50's. He lived in Georgia at a time when cocksuckers like Herman Talmedge was the Democratic choice. The Strom Thurmond democrats were strong in the south in the 50's.

The need to apologize for killing Jesus Christ and taking my virginity. I want reparations.

brainiac-dumdum socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

lol

brainiac-dumdum: Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.

Not to mention we have a mixed economy and neither socialism nor capitalism in a pure form is realistic. To call Obama's financial policies socialism is just...ignorant.



socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

brainiac-dumdum: Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: He was indeed a socialist that championed black self-sufficiency.



You can't be self-sufficient and socialist.



socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

Well, crap. It was supposed to be more like this. Not to mention we have a mixed economy and neither socialism nor capitalism in a pure form is realistic. To call Obama's financial policies socialism is just...ignorant.

budsterr: The need to apologize for killing Jesus Christ and taking my virginity. I want reparations.

The J00s?

MFL: brainiac-dumdum socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

lol

That is funny? Ignorance is bliss.

MFL: brainiac-dumdum socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

lol

So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Nemo's Brother: Donald_McRonald: King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor": appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity", but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

King was a great man and a hero for the cause of freedom, but he wasn't perfect and he was wrong in many aspects. Einstein was smarter than any of us, but he could never figure out how to drive a car with any efficiencies. His mind and body just couldn't connect.

The point wasn't that King said it so it must be true, although I think it is. The point was King was hardly a conservative. He wasn't a militant, and this has lead some conservatives to attempt to claim him, but today he would be regarded as a radical socialist.

randomjsa: Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Yeah, Lyndon Johnson surely never did anything to help black people.

randomjsa: Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

I would love to have your quotes about Obama apologizing for the Shah. I am betting it was nothing like "Sounds reasonable to me".

Sabyen91: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio:

Give me the proof King voted Republican.

Not his dad. King.

I wouldn't doubt he did in the 50's. He lived in Georgia at a time when cocksuckers like Herman Talmedge was the Democratic choice. The Strom Thurmond democrats were strong in the south in the 50's.

I imagine he may have to, but I was told he had proof. Nobody has the slightest bit of evidence he did except his father did.

Can you imagine that proof? They'd treat it like the Holy Grail of WARGRBBL


randomjsa: Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

LBJ. You go find me a black person that doesn't consider LBJ a great man. What a terrible example. Goddamn, stupid.


MFL: brainiac-dumdum socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

lol

Our socialist education system doesn't work?

randomjsa: Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Johnson did more for the civil rights movement than Kennedy did, but Kennedy is always deified while Johnson gets lumped with all the luggage of shiat he didn't start (Vietnam). Johnson was also coarse as hell in his speaking, as opposed to the outright racist that replaced him as President.

brainiac-dumdum So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

Pretty much.

Sabyen91 That is funny? Ignorance is bliss.

What's really funny is seeing somebody bang their head against a wall expecting a different result.

heap: eraser8: IN THE SOUTH. But, in the South, there wasn't much competition. It was the Democratic party or nothing. In places where the parties were competitive, the KKK tended to be more Republican. William McKinley, Republican of Ohio, for example, was a KKK favorite.

indeed - when the klan pretty much ran the government in the state of indiana, it was overwhelmingly republican.

the government was overwhelmingly republican, so..kinda a similar situation to the south. they were overwhelmingly of one party because everybody was overwhelmingly of one party.

Let's not forget that for a very long time, Maine had the largest KKK membership in the country, outside of the South. It is less about party, than a means to secure power. The KKK throws their support behind candidates that believe as they do--Democrat or Republican. As David Duke can attest to--starting off Democrat, and staying elected as a Republican State Representative. His philosophy of racial separation has matured over the years, since his early days as a Democrat, and a Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan.

We (white nationalists) desire to live in our own neighborhoods, go to our own schools, work in our own cities and towns, and ultimately live as one extended family in our own nation. We shall end the racial genocide of integration. We shall work for the eventual establishment of a separate homeland for African Americans, so each race will be free to pursue its own destiny without racial conflicts and ill will.

And he's moved on from just questions of race in this country, but abroad, with his 2002 page turner: Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question

It is NOT a question of which party has racist asshats. It's what the party does and how much they embrace those policies. Republicans have wandered far from their roots for preserving the Republic, and the rights of all citizens. And with the embrasure of the Southern Strategy, we've embraced some tactics and people who are questionable, at best.

PascalsGhost: Sabyen91: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio:

Give me the proof King voted Republican.

Not his dad. King.

I wouldn't doubt he did in the 50's. He lived in Georgia at a time when cocksuckers like Herman Talmedge was the Democratic choice. The Strom Thurmond democrats were strong in the south in the 50's.

I imagine he may have to, but I was told he had proof. Nobody has the slightest bit of evidence he did except his father did.

Can you imagine that proof? They'd treat it like the Holy Grail of WARGRBBL


randomjsa: Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

LBJ. You go find me a black person that doesn't consider LBJ a great man. What a terrible example. Goddamn, stupid.


MFL: brainiac-dumdum socialism is used as a tool to meet the needs of citizens, and allows a population be more productive and able. An example of this would be free education, including college. This allows more citizens to contribute at a higher level.

lol

Our socialist education system doesn't work?

True, if it were true it would have already been a Republican talking point. I doubt it happened.

randomjsa: Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

LBJ is basically the only reason the Civil Rights Act passed at all. Without his extremely strong support and his bullying of Congress, that act would never have made it to his desk for his signature. He also pushed through the Voting Rights Act.

Whether he personally was a racist or not, he certainly helped to champion the cause of equal rights.

MFL: brainiac-dumdum So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

Pretty much.

Sabyen91 That is funny? Ignorance is bliss.

What's really funny is seeing somebody bang their head against a wall expecting a different result.

Derp.

PascalsGhost: Sabyen91: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio:

Give me the proof King voted Republican.

Not his dad. King.

I wouldn't doubt he did in the 50's. He lived in Georgia at a time when cocksuckers like Herman Talmedge was the Democratic choice. The Strom Thurmond democrats were strong in the south in the 50's.

I imagine he may have to, but I was told he had proof. Nobody has the slightest bit of evidence he did except his father did.

Can you imagine that proof? They'd treat it like the Holy Grail of WARGRBBL


They've tried it. Twice. Which is where the story of King (like his father) being a Republican until 1960 generally arises.

PascalsGhost: Our socialist education system doesn't work?

i finaly got my dilpoma, so it's werkin just fin

yont frys widdat?

MFL: brainiac-dumdum So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

Pretty much.



If that's slack, sign me up...

randomjsa: Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Your vaunted Reagan was no better, maybe worse because his inner racist was clearly reveled though his actions

SynthLord: PascalsGhost: Our socialist education system doesn't work?

i finaly got my dilpoma, so it's werkin just fin

yont frys widdat?

Every scholar in the world fights to get into our state run Universities.

But then again, its also the education system that instructed this:


brainiac-dumdum :So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

MFM:Pretty much.

brainiac-dumdum: randomjsa: Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Your vaunted Reagan was no better, maybe worse because his inner racist was clearly reveled though his actions

The problem is that his example is even flawed. Johnson is one of the worst examples out there, considering you're forced to prove (if they ever bothered to do such a thing) that the guy who SIGNED civil rights legislation was 'such a racist'.

This is, however, the same President who would openly talk about his ballsac on the telephone.

RevMercutio: brainiac-dumdum: randomjsa: Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Your vaunted Reagan was no better, maybe worse because his inner racist was clearly reveled though his actions

The problem is that his example is even flawed. Johnson is one of the worst examples out there, considering you're forced to prove (if they ever bothered to do such a thing) that the guy who SIGNED civil rights legislation was 'such a racist'.

This is, however, the same President who would openly talk about his ballsac on the telephone.

LBJ was the greatest. And even though he signed that and did great things, I'm sure he said "ni**er" all day everyday. And probably wondered why he shouldn't.

PascalsGhost Our socialist education system doesn't work?

Spending more to produce less and demand more. Sounds like a success story.

MFL: PascalsGhost Our socialist education system doesn't work?

Spending more to produce less and demand more. Sounds like a success story.

Wait. Seriously?

THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNIVERSITY SYSTEM ISN'T A LEGENDARY SUCCESS?

MFL: What's really funny is seeing somebody bang their head against a wall expecting a different result.

if were just now turning to socialism, how can we have a history of head-beating socialism? according to Hannity and crew, Obama's is unveiling the first socialism to exist in the US, and it will destroy us all.

the same President who would openly talk about his ballsac on the telephone.

he also took schnits while on the crapper with aids and staff present.

AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?

It's either reasonable or it is not. Reasonableness is not based upon whom made the request.

It's this kind of wharble thinking that make leftists look like morons.

MFL: PascalsGhost Our socialist education system doesn't work?

Spending more to produce less and demand more. Sounds like a success story.

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

PascalsGhost Our socialist education system doesn't work?

MFL:Spending more to produce less and demand more. Sounds like a success story.

PascalsGhost Wait. Seriously?

THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNIVERSITY SYSTEM ISN'T A LEGENDARY SUCCESS?

It's legendary at spending more to create graduates that produce less and demand more.

Don't even get me started on the public school system that would rather teach global warming than basic financial survival skills.

PascalsGhost: Every scholar in the world fights to get into our state run Universities.

But then again, its also the education system that instructed this:

brainiac-dumdum :So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

I don't know about the others, but in my experience the claim about the Swedes is pretty spot-on.

A rough guide to what to expect when doing business with a Swedish company:

Think of the most rational business decisions or the most efficient solutions to quantifiable problems, then do the exact opposite. Offer no explanation. If asked about that decision or solution, answer as infrequently as possible; when compelled, keep the answers vague and counterintuitive.

Don't worry that all this will take a lot out of you: if you try a little, you can work as little as 3 months in a year.

Above all, recognize that you exist in a bubble outside the causal/temporal nature of the universe. Decisions should never make any rational sense, actions have absolutely no consequences, and time has no meaning whatsoever.

brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

MFL: PascalsGhost Our socialist education system doesn't work?

MFL:Spending more to produce less and demand more. Sounds like a success story.

PascalsGhost Wait. Seriously?

THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNIVERSITY SYSTEM ISN'T A LEGENDARY SUCCESS?

It's legendary at spending more to create graduates that produce less and demand more.

Listen, I've called you a fool before, but lets put that behind us, as I really want you to hear me out.

The best minds in every country in the world fight to get to go to a U.S. University. Their faculty, facilities, and level of education is unparalleled. This is such a basic reality that your intense partisan buffoonery must really blind you as an American to BASH them rather than be PROUD of them.

You are one sad sonnofabiatch. I mean it. Just gone over the edge.

Don't even get me started on the public school system that would rather teach global warming than basic financial survival skills.

Why not? Why not rant about anything you can make up or imagine? You aren't base din reality anyway, why not rant? nobody respects your views, you are at least comic fodder.

LOL, kill yourself dude. I sometimes think you are trolling, but if you are really this bad, you are a negative force of humanity and your country. Take a bullet for the team son.

MFL: Don't even get me started on the public school system that would rather teach global warming than basic financial survival skills.

global warming is a long-term problem that requires forward thinking. Its influence on our future is very real, and it is a valid thing to study.

MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

But then again, what does Jersey do with all that money anyway? Seriously, how much money can they really invest in faux tanning and track suits?

OgreMagi: AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?



When they're a party that's embraced racism for a few decades, for example.

To quote Matthew: "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

Life doesn't have to be reduced to how much money one can rake in, you know.

MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

You are going on GDP? Russians are booming then.

Can you get more retatrded?


SynthLord: PascalsGhost: Every scholar in the world fights to get into our state run Universities.

But then again, its also the education system that instructed this:

brainiac-dumdum :So Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, Switzerland, etc are totally lazy slackers and utterly incapable.

I don't know about the others, but in my experience the claim about the Swedes is pretty spot-on.

A rough guide to what to expect when doing business with a Swedish company:

Think of the most rational business decisions or the most efficient solutions to quantifiable problems, then do the exact opposite. Offer no explanation. If asked about that decision or solution, answer as infrequently as possible; when compelled, keep the answers vague and counterintuitive.

Don't worry that all this will take a lot out of you: if you try a little, you can work as little as 3 months in a year.

Above all, recognize that you exist in a bubble outside the causal/temporal nature of the universe. Decisions should never make any rational sense, actions have absolutely no consequences, and time has no meaning whatsoever.

I've had great experiences with Scandinavian and European countries overall. Real good. Asia, not so much.

hubiestubert: MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

But then again, what does Jersey do with all that money anyway? Seriously, how much money can they really invest in faux tanning and track suits?

they've diversified their economy with Axe Body Spray to round out risk

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Sabyen91: AirForceVet: Sounds like a reasonable request. Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were with the Democratic Party since before the Civil War. Dixiecrats finally left the party over Civil Rights legislation the liberal Democrats pushed, made their own party up, and promptly failed.

Now they're with the Republican Party, supporting "traditional marriage," "family values," and other spin terms to mask their true nature as WASPs: White, Angry, Southern Protestants.

Yeah, they all became Republicans because of race. Those people should be talking about the Republicans apologizing.

/Set somebody up for a homer.

They certainly left the Democratic Party because of it. The thing that this group is talking about, I wonder if it happened in 1948 and they missed it.

The Democratic party was indeed racist for over a century. However, they've stopped and (I believe) apologized and attempted to make reparations. Does that mean Republicans can do it for another 70 years or so?

Fart_Machine: Phil Herup: Sabyen91: Hehe, THAT is funny.



Why?

Because King was an avowed socialist.

Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Really? Are you really gonna be an idiot too and deny King's socilism?

All I said was that King voted Republican until 1960. Why that makes me an idiot when it's the truth, I have no idea. So congratulations. By resorting to an insult right off the bat with no provocation, you've already lost.

I can prove what I say. You throw insults and apparently think that makes you correct.

From what I've read, King backed Eisenhower in '56, stayed neutral in '60, and flamed the Republicans in '64.

After the nomination of Barry Goldwater for the presidency, King wrote in his Autobiography, "The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of good will viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The best man at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."

Link (new window)

Goldwater's nomination was a great big "Fark you!" to black Americans. The argument that Democrats haven't done enough for the inner cities at the municipal level of government is valid, but when you look at national politics, Northern Democrats--and Northern Republicans--were the ones who used federal power to overcome segregation. A strong federal government is now a fundamental principal for Democratic congressional and presidential candidates; a weak federal government is likewise a fundamental principal for Republican congressional and presidential candidates.

MFL: It's legendary at spending more to create graduates that produce less and demand more.

Which is why the productivity of the American worker is falling and wages are skyrocketing.

Oh wait, that's not what's happening at all. (new window)

MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

Yeah, right, there's no money in Switzerland at all.

Keep trying.

PascalsGhost The best minds in every country in the world fight to get to go to a U.S. University. Their faculty, facilities, and level of education is unparalleled. This is such a basic reality that your intense partisan buffoonery must really blind you as an American to BASH them rather than be PROUD of them.

lol

At the university level, we do have the best...but we pay out our asses for it and it would not exist if we didn't have a free market economy that allows us to afford it. Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.

Bottom line is that our capitalist system has creates enough wealth to allow a socialistic educational system that is as financially inefficient as ours is to still be the envy of the world. We are that farking rich as a country.

Why not? Why not rant about anything you can make up or imagine? You aren't base din reality anyway, why not rant? nobody respects your views, you are at least comic fodder.

Huh? Why not? This country is in deep shiat in large part because many people didn't know basics on how to manage their money. Public schools were too busy preaching that we wouldn't be able to go outside in the year 2000 because hairspray was depleating the ozone that they didn't have time to teach what an APR is or how a mortgage works.

LOL, kill yourself dude. I sometimes think you are trolling, but if you are really this bad, you are a negative force of humanity and your country. Take a bullet for the team son.

Seriously dude...that says more about you than it does me.

MFL: Seriously dude...that says more about you than it does me.

no, it's you

The modern parties have very little in common with what they were before civil rights and during the civil war.


You WERE the party of Lincoln. Now you are provably the party of white southerners and religious morons.

crab66: You WERE the party of Lincoln. Now you are provably the party of white southerners and religious morons.

Lincoln was the original RINO

MFL: PascalsGhost The best minds in every country in the world fight to get to go to a U.S. University. Their faculty, facilities, and level of education is unparalleled. This is such a basic reality that your intense partisan buffoonery must really blind you as an American to BASH them rather than be PROUD of them.

lol

At the university level, we do have the best...but we pay out our asses for it and it would not exist if we didn't have a free market economy that allows us to afford it. Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.


So you were full of shiat, yes? Our University is a huge success.

Are you now claiming our University systems don't heavliy contribute to our economy? REALLY?

Bottom line is that our capitalist system has creates enough wealth to allow a socialistic educational system that is as financially inefficient as ours is to still be the envy of the world. We are that farking rich as a country.

You have no data whatsoever that our University system is financially inefficient. None. None at all. You NEED this to be true because Hannity told you Universities are full of communists.

Why not? Why not rant about anything you can make up or imagine? You aren't base din reality anyway, why not rant? nobody respects your views, you are at least comic fodder.

Huh? Why not? This country is in deep shiat in large part because many people didn't know basics on how to manage their money.

This is whose fault?

you think the banking system collapsed because of average people no being able to balance a budget? Wow, dumbass.


Public schools were too busy preaching that we wouldn't be able to go outside in the year 2000 because hairspray was depleating the ozone that they didn't have time to teach what an APR is or how a mortgage works.

This simply isn't even worth responding to.

LOL, kill yourself dude. I sometimes think you are trolling, but if you are really this bad, you are a negative force of humanity and your country. Take a bullet for the team son.

Seriously dude...that says more about you than it does me.


No, its says tons about you. Again, your complete fantasy induced partisan whackjobbery won't allow you to appreciate the simple reality that your OWN COUNTRY is the educator of the bases student all the way to the elite minds of the world. There are few greater successes in the modern world much greater than the US university system.

But your politics are more important than your country. You could be a good little rightwinger and still appreciate the Universities, but you can't even do that.

You hate imagined socialism or "libruls" more than you love your country. This is true of many people, and I feel sorry for you.

But it does make you worse than worthless. Eat a shell. make room for somebody who deserves what America gave you ingrate.

PascalsGhost: Are you now claiming our University systems don't heavliy contribute to our economy? REALLY?

not to mention they provide valuable research in a variety of fields.

MFL: Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.

Yup. That's exactly what's happening.

Once again: OH WAIT, NO IT ISN'T. (new window) Damn those pesky facts, getting in the way of a good argument!

brainiac-dumdum: PascalsGhost: Are you now claiming our University systems don't heavliy contribute to our economy? REALLY?

not to mention they provide valuable research in a variety of fields.

TONS. They've directly improve everybody's day to day life in powerful ways.

To have so much partisan hate and fear that you can't, as an American, love and be proud of that must just rot your brain.

No wonder MFL is so goddamned full of shiat. I mean, this thread has been a window into his soul. Amazing.

dems actually used to be the racist ones, they're not anymore.

/anyone else find it ironic when people, mad at other people for making gross generalizations, accuse a large class of other people of some act, paying no heed to whether or not the allegation is true on a case-by-case basis?

MFL: Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.

Wahh! Americans are lazy and stupid!

LOL, you don't love your country dude. You love your politics, that's all. Inside you'd love to see a nuke hit just to make Obama and the libs look bad. You'd rather the country fall than go to the left.

You are a horrible, horrible human being.

PascalsGhost: MFL: Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.

Wahh! Americans are lazy and stupid!

LOL, you don't love your country dude. You love your politics, that's all. Inside you'd love to see a nuke hit just to make Obama and the libs look bad. You'd rather the country fall than go to the left.

You are a horrible, horrible human being.

And you still think name calling makes you the winner of a debate, I see.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: MFL: Being the richest nation on the planet allows us to provide these wonderful universities for many of our nations best and brightest to make 6 figures working 15 hours a week to live inside their own head.

Wahh! Americans are lazy and stupid!

LOL, you don't love your country dude. You love your politics, that's all. Inside you'd love to see a nuke hit just to make Obama and the libs look bad. You'd rather the country fall than go to the left.

You are a horrible, horrible human being.

And you still think name calling makes you the winner of a debate, I see.

No, you failing to give me proof of King ever voting or being a Republican make me the winner.

I'm honest about MFL. What a horrible way to look at the world.

MFL
Life doesn't have to be reduced to how much money one can rake in, you know.

No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

You guys keep using these socialist countries for examples of success but most of them don't have an economy that is even a fraction of the size of the United states. There is a reason the US is only 4% of the world's population and is over 20% of the world's GDP.

MFL: MFL
Life doesn't have to be reduced to how much money one can rake in, you know.

No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

You guys keep using these socialist countries for examples of success but most of them don't have an economy that is even a fraction of the size of the United states. There is a reason the US is only 4% of the world's population and is over 20% of the world's GDP.

Patriotic people like you!

MFL: You guys keep using these socialist countries for examples of success but most of them don't have an economy that is even a fraction of the size of the United states. There is a reason the US is only 4% of the world's population and is over 20% of the world's GDP.

So we are talking per capita GDP!

Norway's is higher than the US.

MFL: MFL
Life doesn't have to be reduced to how much money one can rake in, you know.

No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

You guys keep using these socialist countries for examples of success but most of them don't have an economy that is even a fraction of the size of the United states. There is a reason the US is only 4% of the world's population and is over 20% of the world's GDP.


We have 20% of the worlds GDP and yet we still let people starve and be homeless. We spend millions on a dieing individual instead of providing basic care for thousands of people.

You are a farking moron. GDP is a retarded way to measure "success".

RevMercutio: And you still think name calling makes you the winner of a debate, I see.

PascalsGhost: You are a horrible, horrible human being.

I second that emotion

MFL: No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

What about quality of life? The quality of life index puts the US in the top three. (new window) Right below Switzerland. More on how they reached those conclusions here. (new window)

MFL: No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

that would be purchasing power parity actually

"National Black Republican Association calls on Democrat Party to apologize for racism"

Wow. Michael Steele, NBRA, do they think people are retarded?

Great Metal Jesus: MFL: No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

What about quality of life? The quality of life index puts the US in the top three. (new window) Right below Switzerland. More on how they reached those conclusions here. (new window)

Wanna read that tomorrow and see what is up, cause I have no idea how France can be number 1. The country and culture is going to Hell in a hand basket. Big time.

PascalsGhost

Yeah, the list may not exactly be spot-on. My overall point is more that there are other valid ways to measure national success than strictly money and the US isn't head and shoulders above everyone else in every aspect. If the population is happier as a whole, who cares who has the biggest GDP?

I have a feeling I'm wasting my breath, though.

crab66 We have 20% of the worlds GDP and yet we still let people starve and be homeless. We spend millions on a dieing individual instead of providing basic care for thousands of people.

Starving? Who are you crappin? We are the only country in the world where obesity is synonymous with poverty. We have the fattest poor people in the world.

PascalsGhost: No, you failing to give me proof of King ever voting or being a Republican make me the winner.


I actually posted two examples, and another by his niece got eaten up. Compare that to your NONE. I offered proof. You offered nothing to disprove it but insults like a child.

So how'd you win, exactly?

Great Metal JesusWhat about quality of life? The quality of life index puts the US in the top three. (new window)


France is #1 on that study...Go figure.

Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: No, you failing to give me proof of King ever voting or being a Republican make me the winner.


I actually posted two examples, and another by his niece got eaten up. Compare that to your NONE. I offered proof. You offered nothing to disprove it but insults like a child.

So how'd you win, exactly?

Dude, you posted no evidence King ever voted Republican in this thread. WTF are you talking about?

None. Nowhere. Go look. You know why? And this is my only point when I asked it earlier, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NONE. Not one bit. His dad voted Republican. That's it. Could I believe he voted Republican prior to 1960? Yes, its sounds truthy and would make sense, but there exists absolutely no evidence of him ever voting, registering, or endorsing Republican. NONE.

Again, if there was, it would be on the front page of Fox daily. I have no idea what you are saying you posted, but, eh.

RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

MFL: crab66 We have 20% of the worlds GDP and yet we still let people starve and be homeless. We spend millions on a dieing individual instead of providing basic care for thousands of people.

Starving? Who are you crappin? We are the only country in the world where obesity is synonymous with poverty. We have the fattest poor people in the world.

Do you know why poor people are fat in this country?

They eat food that has less nutritional value than what Africans eat. Just so corporations can make a buck.

Here's the thing: It doesn't matter what King voted for before 1960. The parties before then were not the parties we know now, and any attempt to try to compare the parties before the Civil Rights Act and Southern Strategy and after is the mark of a moron.

Also, King was from Georgia, and I'd imagine any democrat in the running was a racist asshole. I'd vote for a Republican too, even if I disagreed with every policy he had, if he was the only other choice and was not a racist while his opponent was.

So, please, stop the stupid argument. The point is, King, at least the King we know from his speeches and political activism, could never be thought of as a conservative. He advocated policies to combat poverty that make Obama look like Ronald Reagan.

And if he had not been assassinated and was still alive and advocating those policies, he would be written off by right wingers as a liberal kook on the level of Noam Chomsky, and a race baiter.

RevMercutio: OgreMagi: AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?

When they're a party that's embraced racism for a few decades, for example.

So the democratic party. The party of the KKK. The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

Yeah, they should apologize.

RemyDuron: And if he had not been assassinated and was still alive and advocating those policies, he would be written off by right wingers as a liberal kook on the level of Noam Chomsky, and a race baiter..

THIS.

King pushed for reparations of 50 billion over 10 years, publicly and on the record.

Goodnight.

OgreMagi: So the democratic party. The party of the KKK. The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

Yeah, they should apologize.

You are either being intentionally obtuse or you are a moron. You know it was a Democratic president who made it get passed and signed it right? You know the following Republican president pandered to those Democratic racists who were pissed off at the party for supporting civil rights, right? You know the democrats have ever sense been by far the more committed to civil rights, right?

I mean, you did, at one point, have a US history class? I don't know about your socialist school, but my socialist school made us take that.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

Then read again. I put in two links. Other people said the SAME EXACT THING. Yet I'm the one you called an idiot.

You're just as bad as the dipshiats on the right, congratulations on sinking to their level and celebrating your ignorance.

OgreMagi: RevMercutio: OgreMagi: AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?

When they're a party that's embraced racism for a few decades, for example.

So the democratic party. The party of the KKK. The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

Yeah, they should apologize.

What makes you think they didn't? You're 60 years too late to the party there, sport.

OgreMagi: So the democratic party. The party of the KKK.

The KKK was non-partisan. Republican Klan all over the place.


The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

1964. I'm just saying, who do you think people that aren't 60 look at as the racist party?

OgreMagi: RevMercutio: OgreMagi: AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?

When they're a party that's embraced racism for a few decades, for example.

So the democratic party. The party of the KKK. The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

Yeah, they should apologize.

Absolute failure. Try again.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

Then read again. I put in two links. Other people said the SAME EXACT THING. Yet I'm the one you called an idiot.

You're just as bad as the dipshiats on the right, congratulations on sinking to their level and celebrating your ignorance.

I challenge you to show me were you posted a single thing in this thread. Seriously.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: No, you failing to give me proof of King ever voting or being a Republican make me the winner.


I actually posted two examples, and another by his niece got eaten up. Compare that to your NONE. I offered proof. You offered nothing to disprove it but insults like a child.

So how'd you win, exactly?

You are arguing with a troll. You could special delivery your proof to him in a gold plated box and he'd still say you haven't offered any proof. Name calling is the only way he debates. He's a typical socialist/communist troll. Lot's of noise, no substance.

Here's a recommendation. Go stand facing a wall. State your arguments. Carefully consider the wall's retort. You'll actually have a more productive debate since you get to avoid the name calling. There's also a bonus. The wall is much more intelligent than PascalsGhost.

crab66 Do you know why poor people are fat in this country?

They eat food that has less nutritional value than what Africans eat. Just so corporations can make a buck.

1. All Africans aren't what you see on National Geographic. Some of them are quite rich.

2. Many poor people in this country are lazy and like Big Mac's. It's not the best way to live but it's better than eating bugs and pissing blood because you're malnurished.

3. If McDonalds was healthy the poor wouldn't be able to afford it. A cheesburger off the dollar menu is better than nothing at all.

4. Corporations are a good thing. When they make a buck so do the people that own their stock.

RemyDuron: Here's the thing: It doesn't matter what King voted for before 1960. The parties before then were not the parties we know now, and any attempt to try to compare the parties before the Civil Rights Act and Southern Strategy and after is the mark of a moron.

Also very true. But when the line gets used, and idiots like PascalsGhost resort to name-calling bullshiat rather than actually look into the whole picture, they lose the ability to remove any power the statement has.

We need to look at the whole picture, not just the parts that line up with your narrow worldview. That's just one thing that seperates the intelligent people from the Beckheads.

One, I can't find a single link you posted in this thread, and two, if you have proof King voted, endorsed, or registered Republican, you can make a LOT of money.

some RevMercutio: Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate

you have to understand that it's difficult, if not impossible, to debate those who are befuddled and anger-ridden.

crab66: OgreMagi: RevMercutio: OgreMagi: AirForceVet: OK, I admit I didn't read the headline AND the article slow enough to catch the request was from the National Black REPUBLICAN Association.

I humbly withdraw my previous post, go hide in the corner.

So when you thought other democrats were making the demand, you were all for it because it "sounds like a reasonable request".

How is it any less reasonable if someone else asks it?

When they're a party that's embraced racism for a few decades, for example.

So the democratic party. The party of the KKK. The party that fought the civil rights bill with a filibuster.

Yeah, they should apologize.

Absolute failure. Try again.

How about you go take an introductory course to logic. Perhaps then you will be able to spot the mistake you made. Alternately, go fark yourself. Your choice. I'm done.

OgreMagi: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: No, you failing to give me proof of King ever voting or being a Republican make me the winner.


I actually posted two examples, and another by his niece got eaten up. Compare that to your NONE. I offered proof. You offered nothing to disprove it but insults like a child.

So how'd you win, exactly?

You are arguing with a troll. You could special delivery your proof to him in a gold plated box and he'd still say you haven't offered any proof. Name calling is the only way he debates. He's a typical socialist/communist troll. Lot's of noise, no substance.

Here's a recommendation. Go stand facing a wall. State your arguments. Carefully consider the wall's retort. You'll actually have a more productive debate since you get to avoid the name calling. There's also a bonus. The wall is much more intelligent than PascalsGhost.

There are no links.


RevMercutio: RemyDuron: Here's the thing: It doesn't matter what King voted for before 1960. The parties before then were not the parties we know now, and any attempt to try to compare the parties before the Civil Rights Act and Southern Strategy and after is the mark of a moron.

Also very true. But when the line gets used, and idiots like PascalsGhost resort to name-calling bullshiat rather than actually look into the whole picture, they lose the ability to remove any power the statement has.

We need to look at the whole picture, not just the parts that line up with your narrow worldview. That's just one thing that seperates the intelligent people from the Beckheads.

There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

MFL: crab66 Do you know why poor people are fat in this country?

They eat food that has less nutritional value than what Africans eat. Just so corporations can make a buck.

1. All Africans aren't what you see on National Geographic. Some of them are quite rich.

2. Many poor people in this country are lazy and like Big Mac's. It's not the best way to live but it's better than eating bugs and pissing blood because you're malnurished.

3. If McDonalds was healthy the poor wouldn't be able to afford it. A cheesburger off the dollar menu is better than nothing at all.

4. Corporations are a good thing. When they make a buck so do the people that own their stock.

Wrong on all counts.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

Then read again. I put in two links. Other people said the SAME EXACT THING. Yet I'm the one you called an idiot.

You're just as bad as the dipshiats on the right, congratulations on sinking to their level and celebrating your ignorance.

I challenge you to show me were you posted a single thing in this thread. Seriously.

You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

While you're waiting...

HighOnCraic: These are the same people that argue that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. He actually supported Eisenhower--the last Republican to get elected while losing heavily in the Deep South--and stayed neutral in the Kennedy vs. Nixon election, and lambasted Republicans for nominating Goldwater.

As long as you stop reading history after the mid-Sixties, they have a point.

Why don't you call him names too? Seeing as he said the same thing.

OgreMagi: He's a typical socialist/communist troll.

Jesus Christ the stupid. It's 2009, only socialist is an approved sheep villain word. Communism is off the list. Terrorist would work to.

crab66: MFL: crab66 Do you know why poor people are fat in this country?

They eat food that has less nutritional value than what Africans eat. Just so corporations can make a buck.

1. All Africans aren't what you see on National Geographic. Some of them are quite rich.

2. Many poor people in this country are lazy and like Big Mac's. It's not the best way to live but it's better than eating bugs and pissing blood because you're malnurished.

3. If McDonalds was healthy the poor wouldn't be able to afford it. A cheesburger off the dollar menu is better than nothing at all.

4. Corporations are a good thing. When they make a buck so do the people that own their stock.

Wrong on all counts.

Now we know you are trolling.

OgreMagi: crab66: MFL: crab66 Do you know why poor people are fat in this country?

They eat food that has less nutritional value than what Africans eat. Just so corporations can make a buck.

1. All Africans aren't what you see on National Geographic. Some of them are quite rich.

2. Many poor people in this country are lazy and like Big Mac's. It's not the best way to live but it's better than eating bugs and pissing blood because you're malnurished.

3. If McDonalds was healthy the poor wouldn't be able to afford it. A cheesburger off the dollar menu is better than nothing at all.

4. Corporations are a good thing. When they make a buck so do the people that own their stock.

Wrong on all counts.

Now we know you are trolling.

We already knew you were trolling.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

Then read again. I put in two links. Other people said the SAME EXACT THING. Yet I'm the one you called an idiot.

You're just as bad as the dipshiats on the right, congratulations on sinking to their level and celebrating your ignorance.

I challenge you to show me were you posted a single thing in this thread. Seriously.

You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

While you're waiting...

I looked. You posted no links. You are lying.

HighOnCraic: These are the same people that argue that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. He actually supported Eisenhower--the last Republican to get elected while losing heavily in the Deep South--and stayed neutral in the Kennedy vs. Nixon election, and lambasted Republicans for nominating Goldwater.


Why don't you call him names too? Seeing as he said the same thing.

He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.

Again, provide me a link. There isn't one.

Do you understand, you aren't arguing with me anymore, you are arguing with recorded history.

RevMercutio: You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

While you're waiting...

Uh, dude, I just looked for them too. I don't see them. It is 3:30 and I could be missing them, but I searched through each instance of your name in this thread and didn't see them.

PascalsGhost: There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

Ah, my mistake, for which I apologize. It appears the post got eaten. Which may be alright, as I also told you to go fark yourself in it, since your Weeners to me was to insult me despite the fact you had no desire to do it to others who brought it up.

Alveda King, Dr. King's niece is one of the advocates of Dr. King voting Republican. Fark seems to disallow most of the links to her primary statement on the matter, but if you google her name, you can find it.

That was weird. . .

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

Ah, my mistake, for which I apologize. It appears the post got eaten. Which may be alright, as I also told you to go fark yourself in it, since your Weeners to me was to insult me despite the fact you had no desire to do it to others who brought it up.

Riiggghhhht....

Alveda King, Dr. King's niece is one of the advocates of Dr. King voting Republican. Fark seems to disallow most of the links to her primary statement on the matter, but if you google her name, you can find it.

Alveda is a crazy right winger whose family says lies about MLK all the time.

However, this doesn't matter as Alveda has never once suggest MLK did vote for a Republican or endorse Ike. Ever.

Again, you have amazed me in this thread. Its simple facts. fark does't allow? Cut and paste...

PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

Ah, my mistake, for which I apologize. It appears the post got eaten. Which may be alright, as I also told you to go fark yourself in it, since your Weeners to me was to insult me despite the fact you had no desire to do it to others who brought it up.

Riiggghhhht....

Alveda King, Dr. King's niece is one of the advocates of Dr. King voting Republican. Fark seems to disallow most of the links to her primary statement on the matter, but if you google her name, you can find it.

Alveda is a crazy right winger whose family says lies about MLK all the time.

However, this doesn't matter as Alveda has never once suggest MLK did vote for a Republican or endorse Ike. Ever.

Again, you have amazed me in this thread. Its simple facts. fark does't allow? Cut and paste...

It went to a PDF file. Fark kills off those links. Try it yourself rather than act like an asshole for once.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

He didn't claim to have evidence and not show it.

Now lets just man up and admit this whole thread has been a lie for you.

Say it: There is no evidence anywhere of MLK ever supporting Republicans. EVER.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

Ah, my mistake, for which I apologize. It appears the post got eaten. Which may be alright, as I also told you to go fark yourself in it, since your Weeners to me was to insult me despite the fact you had no desire to do it to others who brought it up.

Riiggghhhht....

Alveda King, Dr. King's niece is one of the advocates of Dr. King voting Republican. Fark seems to disallow most of the links to her primary statement on the matter, but if you google her name, you can find it.

Alveda is a crazy right winger whose family says lies about MLK all the time.

However, this doesn't matter as Alveda has never once suggest MLK did vote for a Republican or endorse Ike. Ever.

Again, you have amazed me in this thread. Its simple facts. fark does't allow? Cut and paste...

It went to a PDF file. Fark kills off those links. Try it yourself rather than act like an asshole for once.

You can't cut and paste from a PDF?

Why are you doing this? Why not admit it?

PascalsGhost: One, I can't find a single link you posted in this thread, and two, if you have proof King voted, endorsed, or registered Republican, you can make a LOT of money.

Even if it were true, he's clearly a liberal

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

He didn't claim to have evidence and not show it.

Now lets just man up and admit this whole thread has been a lie for you.

Say it: There is no evidence anywhere of MLK ever supporting Republicans. EVER.

Uh, I think Fark ate the post man. That said, after looking up on Alveda King, she seems hardly objective in this matter. Not saying she's for sure lying, but she's a pro-life Brownback supporter who is against gay marriage. She seems wholly taken with the Republican agenda and used MLK's name to promote Prop 8. I don't know if she is lying, but using MLK to promote prop 8. . . That kills any trust I have for her.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

He didn't claim to have evidence and not show it.

Now lets just man up and admit this whole thread has been a lie for you.

Say it: There is no evidence anywhere of MLK ever supporting Republicans. EVER.

I'll say "fark off", instead. Considering that when other said it, you didn't insult them, but did that as your first rebuttal, I don't owe a condescending little shiat like you anything.

Particularly after I apologized for the mistake, as apparently the initial post didn't go through. I may in fact be wrong, and King may not have voted Republican like I believed. However, I didn't act like a little shiat over it because it might have harmed my worldview.

RemyDuron: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

He didn't claim to have evidence and not show it.

Now lets just man up and admit this whole thread has been a lie for you.

Say it: There is no evidence anywhere of MLK ever supporting Republicans. EVER.

Uh, I think Fark ate the post man. That said, after looking up on Alveda King, she seems hardly objective in this matter. Not saying she's for sure lying, but she's a pro-life Brownback supporter who is against gay marriage. She seems wholly taken with the Republican agenda and used MLK's name to promote Prop 8. I don't know if she is lying, but using MLK to promote prop 8. . . That kills any trust I have for her.

And she has never claimed he supported Republicans. EVER. She just claims he would now.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: There are no links. You can end this by simply pointing them out to me.

Ah, my mistake, for which I apologize. It appears the post got eaten. Which may be alright, as I also told you to go fark yourself in it, since your Weeners to me was to insult me despite the fact you had no desire to do it to others who brought it up.

Riiggghhhht....

Alveda King, Dr. King's niece is one of the advocates of Dr. King voting Republican. Fark seems to disallow most of the links to her primary statement on the matter, but if you google her name, you can find it.

Alveda is a crazy right winger whose family says lies about MLK all the time.

However, this doesn't matter as Alveda has never once suggest MLK did vote for a Republican or endorse Ike. Ever.

Again, you have amazed me in this thread. Its simple facts. fark does't allow? Cut and paste...

It went to a PDF file. Fark kills off those links. Try it yourself rather than act like an asshole for once.

You can't cut and paste from a PDF?

Why are you doing this? Why not admit it?

Because you've already dismissed the source.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.


Yet you didn't call him an idiot.

He didn't claim to have evidence and not show it.

Now lets just man up and admit this whole thread has been a lie for you.

Say it: There is no evidence anywhere of MLK ever supporting Republicans. EVER.

I'll say "fark off", instead. Considering that when other said it, you didn't insult them, but did that as your first rebuttal, I don't owe a condescending little shiat like you anything.

Particularly after I apologized for the mistake, as apparently the initial post didn't go through. I may in fact be wrong, and King may not have voted Republican like I believed. However, I didn't act like a little shiat over it because it might have harmed my worldview.

Didn't that feel better? Just let the lies flow off your chest like a heavy weight?

There you go big guy....

RevMercutio: You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

where are they?!?!?!?!??!

I don't see them, but it's late so I may be missing them. Please point them out.

PascalsGhost:

Didn't that feel better? Just let the lies flow off your chest like a heavy weight?

There you go big guy....

Did I lie? No. Was I mistaken? Probably. Have you been an absolute twat in this thread? Absolutely.

That's just one difference between you and me.

brainiac-dumdum: RevMercutio: You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

where are they?!?!?!?!??!

I don't see them, but it's late so I may be missing them. Please point them out.

Post got eaten. I've no desire to hunt the links down again, and they offer mostly conjecture like what was seen in this thread by other people who didn't get called names.

brainiac-dumdum: RevMercutio: You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

where are they?!?!?!?!??!

I don't see them, but it's late so I may be missing them. Please point them out.

They aren't there. Fark ate the post apparently. He said to google her name, and I did, but I don't see a PDF on the first page, and I'm not going to go did through her website. Religious right webpages give me the hives.

RevMercutio: PascalsGhost:

Didn't that feel better? Just let the lies flow off your chest like a heavy weight?

There you go big guy....

Did I lie? No. Was I mistaken? Probably. Have you been an absolute twat in this thread? Absolutely.

That's just one difference between you and me.

Well, that and I'd rather admit I was wrong about some obscure political fact than make an asshole of myself with a web of repeated lies.

Fark teaches a man that men will do anything not to admit being wrong. Never ceases to amaze me.

martin luther king jr voted for extra terrestrials.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost:

Didn't that feel better? Just let the lies flow off your chest like a heavy weight?

There you go big guy....

Did I lie? No. Was I mistaken? Probably. Have you been an absolute twat in this thread? Absolutely.

That's just one difference between you and me.

Well, that and I'd rather admit I was wrong about some obscure political fact than make an asshole of myself with a web of repeated lies.

Fark teaches a man that men will do anything not to admit being wrong. Never ceases to amaze me.

I've admitted being wrong earlier about my links being up. I admit the possibility of the theory being wrong in the POST YOU JUST QUOTED. It appears now that the most relevant thing to the discussion is how much of an asshole you are.

"fark off" seems like more the proper answer to you, the more you post.

I'm sure the Democrat Party will get right on that.

erveek: I'm sure the Democrat Party will get right on that.

First the Whigs gotta apologize to the Injuns. =D

CanisNoir:

And so does Zo (new window)

Please tell me you linked that ironically.

Helen_Arigby: /
A WASP is a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, actually. But whatever.

Actually, I like White, Angry, Southern Protestant better. White Anglo-Saxon is... not technically redundant, but it doesn't pack the same punch. It's a dumb saying anyway, so why not mess around with it?

There are lots of white's who are neither Anglo-Saxon nor Protestant.

I really don't care except to say that your handle is pretty goddamn awesome.

PascalsGhost: LOL, here

Link (new window)

Get ready for the study to blow your hair back before you click. You won't believe the front page.

House of Tards: Please tell me you linked that ironically.

Aside from the massive Godwin in the middle of his rant, I thought he was kind of to the point. I have to admit, I enjoy the hell out of his video's though. I linked it as an example of a Black Republican because people tend to treat them like Big Foot; you hear stories but never see visual proof that they exist ;)

More ZO (new window)

If there's anybody who has no business pointing their finger at anyone else, and self-righteously shouting "racist!", it's a member of the species Homo Sapiens.
Get real with yourselves, folks. Deeep down at the bottom of our souls, in the back of our brains, we are all "racist", or "tribalist", or "xenophobic", if you prefer. Whenever you, I, or anyone else sees another human being who is notably different from ourselves, our deepest, most hard-wired, and most heartfelt impulse is to kill them. This is what we are - savage, murderous, tribal killer apes.
If we weren't, we would still be scurrying around the veldts and jungles of Africa like our closest cousins - we are just a lot better at it than they are.
Trouble is, what was once a garantor of our survival has now become a liability - we got sticks and stones now that can break the whole world.
If we wish to live and become civilized beings, we must change ourselves. And to change ourselves, we must know ourselves - don't buy that "you have to be carefully taught" bullshiat. Human beings don't have to be taught hatred, racism, and xenophobia - it's in us. The challenge is to suppress it with reason, sublimate it to constructive purposes, and ultimately eliminate the impact it has on the way we behave and live.
But that's going to require some serious self-honesty on mankind's part - and I'm not holding my breath.

brainiac-dumdum: randomjsa: Oh I'm sorry, did you get in to your limited little minds that the Democrats were and always have been great heroes of minorities? Go look up certain quotes from Lyndon Johnson and then come back here.

Your vaunted Reagan was no better, maybe worse because his inner racist was clearly reveled though his actions



So Reagan was a racist?

brainiac-dumdum: Lincoln was the original RINO



...and Lincoln was a RINO?


OK.


lemme guess... Carter was actually great and was just misunderstood.

jso2897: Whenever you, I, or anyone else sees another human being who is notably different from ourselves, our deepest, most hard-wired, and most heartfelt impulse is to kill them. This is what we are - savage, murderous, tribal killer apes.



Wow... can't we just be dicks, pussies and assholes?

Phil Herup: jso2897: Whenever you, I, or anyone else sees another human being who is notably different from ourselves, our deepest, most hard-wired, and most heartfelt impulse is to kill them. This is what we are - savage, murderous, tribal killer apes.



Wow... can't we just be dicks, pussies and assholes?

Only on the internet.

PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: PascalsGhost: RevMercutio: Fart_Machine: RevMercutio: Who voted Republican until 1960. Was Republicanism socialist as well?

Did you look up the reference I gave you? That's OK. I'll wait.

I did (Note to PascalsGhost, this is how you actually debate) now. I see that we're speaking to distinct different timeframes, though.

I have no idea what you posted.

Then read again. I put in two links. Other people said the SAME EXACT THING. Yet I'm the one you called an idiot.

You're just as bad as the dipshiats on the right, congratulations on sinking to their level and celebrating your ignorance.

I challenge you to show me were you posted a single thing in this thread. Seriously.

You challenge me to find links I put in that you're too lazy to search? You're that intellectually lazy?

While you're waiting...

I looked. You posted no links. You are lying.

HighOnCraic: These are the same people that argue that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. He actually supported Eisenhower--the last Republican to get elected while losing heavily in the Deep South--and stayed neutral in the Kennedy vs. Nixon election, and lambasted Republicans for nominating Goldwater.


Why don't you call him names too? Seeing as he said the same thing.

He is wrong. MLK never endorsed Ike. Never. Not even a little.

Again, provide me a link. There isn't one.

Do you understand, you aren't arguing with me anymore, you are arguing with recorded history.

Not exactly an endorsement, but:

Letter from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to President Dwight Eisenhower:

5 November 1957

Montgomery, Ala.

Honorable Dwight D. Eisenhower

White House

Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. President:

The Southern Christian Leadership Conference in session at Memphis, in the state of Tennessee, extends its warmest commendation for the positive and forthright stand that you have taken in the Little Rock school situation. You have shown to the nation and the world that the United States is a nation dedicated to law and order rather than mob rule. In an hour so charged with the tragic possibility of world conflict, America can ill afford to be guilty of sins against her own way of life.

It is regrettable that by intransigence and irresponsibility, the governor and irresponsible elements of the state made it necessary for the use of troops to guarantee the rights of citizenship to Negroes in Little Rock. But the law of this land must be enforced or the result will be anarchy. The irresponsibility and intransigence of public officials must be countered by the stern determination of the chief executive to secure for all citizens the blessings of first-class citizenship.

As regrettable as it is, however, that federal troops were necessary, they must remain until there is every evidence that state and municipal officials in Arkansas will respect and enforce the decrees of the federal court. We, therefore, urge you, Mr. President, to keep troops in Little Rock until it is possible for Negro children to attend school freely without the threat of physical or psychological violence.

Little Rock points a dramatic finger to the urgent necessity for the President to confer with Negro leaders from across the nation. Men and women of good will, both black and white, look for Presidential guidance in solving the problem created by the breakdown of communications between the races in the South. By meeting with Negro leaders as soon as it is conveniently possible, the President will do much to give heart and courage to white people of good will who remain silent when their voices are needed.

We find reason to hope that the civil rights commission that is called for in the recent Civil Rights bill will do much to remove existing inequities in voting in the South. Yet, the time is passing and the effectiveness of the commission is being diminished in proportion to the time that is allowed to pass before the appointment of the commission. It is urgent that this commission be appointed immediately. We further urge you, Mr. President, to include on this commission two qualified Negroes of whom one should be from the South.

May the richest blessings of almighty God continue to be yours,

Sincerely,

Martin Luther King, Jr.

President (Southern Christian Leadership Conference)

Link (new window)

Haha, wow, so many people jumping on me for my comment about Lyndon Johnson that I can't even quote them all. I do appreciate how you assume I'm "ignorant" or using a "bad example" when I say that Democrats are hardly the heroes of minorities that you make them out to be.

But if you insist: "I'll have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years." Lyndon B Johnson

So you can quit pretending Johnson was some great hero, or that he wasn't a racist. Because his actions were calculated.

There was a time when Republicans favored using Federal power to end segregation. Today, the two main parties are pretty much the opposite of what they were back then.

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randomjsa: Haha, wow, so many people jumping on me for my comment about Lyndon Johnson that I can't even quote them all. I do appreciate how you assume I'm "ignorant" or using a "bad example" when I say that Democrats are hardly the heroes of minorities that you make them out to be.

But if you insist: "I'll have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years." Lyndon B Johnson

So you can quit pretending Johnson was some great hero, or that he wasn't a racist. Because his actions were calculated.

Speaking of calculated actions:

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."

I don't know what's funnier... RevMercutio's stubborn refusal to admit that he was making stuff up and that his feeling are hurt so he's not going to post his sources, or PascalsGhost being a skeptical troll and challenging everyone who says anything nice about the Republicans.

Either way, this thread has been a lot of fun to read.

Can one oppose reparations, entitlements, quotas, AA and voting for BHO solely because we've never had a black president and not be racist?

L82DPRT: Can one oppose reparations, entitlements, quotas, AA and voting for BHO solely because we've never had a black president and not be racist?



Yes... until you said one voted for him solely b/c he was black... so that is still racist.

randomjsa: Haha, wow, so many people jumping on me for my comment about Lyndon Johnson that I can't even quote them all. I do appreciate how you assume I'm "ignorant" or using a "bad example" when I say that Democrats are hardly the heroes of minorities that you make them out to be.

But if you insist: "I'll have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years." Lyndon B Johnson

So you can quit pretending Johnson was some great hero, or that he wasn't a racist. Because his actions were calculated.

LBJ an HERO? Give me a break - I've got no use for the sonofabiatch whatsoever. Not only did he start the bogus "war on" meme, he tried to get me killed (and damn near succeeded).
Fark him.

as soon as you see the noun democrat used as an adjective - you just know you're in a shiatstorm of mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging wharrgarbl.

you 23 percenters really need to stop telegraphing your bullshiat like this.

MFL: brainiac-dumdum Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, and Switzerland will be surprised to hear about this

They will also be surpised that none of them have a GDP larger than New Jersey.

New Jersey GDP per capita: 49,511

Norway GDP per capita: 53,300

Try again.

jso2897: LBJ an HERO? Give me a break - I've got no use for the sonofabiatch whatsoever.

Approves

Maybe these black republicans are upset because of the fact that they're Truly a minority group. With minor intellect, minor brains, and minor comprehension of what they really are.

secularsage: I don't know what's funnier... RevMercutio's stubborn refusal to admit that he was making stuff up

Not actually true. I posted my sources, they got eaten, and decided not to post them again.

Stay Cool Babylon: That's a powerful incentive to join a bunch of seriously stodgy white guys who would probably be nervous if a real live black person offered them a stick of gum.

Stick your prejudice up your ass where it belongs. People like you are the reason racism won't die.

Sabyen91: Being white doesn't mean you don't understand that being born white is an advantage.

Being born white is a responsibility, any advantage disappeared decades ago.

The birth of the modern Democratic party was the day they realized it was cheaper to suppress the poor minorities by tossing out table scraps than it was to beat them in the street with dogs and water hoses.

Hoopido: Stay Cool Babylon: That's a powerful incentive to join a bunch of seriously stodgy white guys who would probably be nervous if a real live black person offered them a stick of gum.

Stick your prejudice up your ass where it belongs. People like you are the reason racism won't die.

Heh this of course coming from the guy who constantly says racist shiat on fark. Shut up you moronic hypocrite.

evilboyevil: They're black republicans. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

So you saying that Black Republicans are dumber than their white counterparts?

You sir are a despicable racist.

/see how easy it is to turn that around?

Sabyen91: secularsage: A lot of people don't realize that the Democrats were the party of segregation up until the last 50-60 years...

It's really interesting how the pendulum shifts. The Republicans were once the more liberal of the two parties!

And these 10 schmucks don't realize the pendulum swung back long ago.

Even so, would it not make since for the Democrats to acknowledged their party history and clearly outline that they have grown past that point? Instead they simply act like it never happened and continue to use race as a weapon which effectively proves that they have no problem exploiting minorities for their own political gain.

Sabyen91: Phil Herup: Fart_Machine: Because King was an avowed socialist.


He championed black self-sufficiency.

Quote from the Heritage Foundation.

"Conservatives did not, and do not, agree with all of Dr. King's political positions. In particular, we think Dr. King looked too much to government, too much to the welfare state, and not sufficiently to entrepreneurial capitalism, to win economic opportunity for African-Americans. But there was a deeply conservative message throughout Dr. King's life and work, and we are fortunate today to have with us two distinguished speakers who will talk about the conservative virtues of Dr. King."

Don't forget that "conservative virtues" simply mean "Christian"

MFL: MFL
Life doesn't have to be reduced to how much money one can rake in, you know.

No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

You guys keep using these socialist countries for examples of success but most of them don't have an economy that is even a fraction of the size of the United states. There is a reason the US is only 4% of the world's population and is over 20% of the world's GDP.

And has the strongest Military. Free people are successful people, and they are willing to fight to keep it that way.

Great Metal Jesus: MFL: No, but when you are talking about an economy that's the best way to keep score.

What about quality of life? The quality of life index puts the US in the top three. (new window) Right below Switzerland. More on how they reached those conclusions here. (new window)

It's not hard to run a happy-go-lucky socialized country when you have shiattons of money made from the suffering of millions: Link (new window)

Halli: from the guy who constantly says racist shiat on fark.

[citation needed]

Phil Herup: Halli: from the guy who constantly says racist shiat on fark.

[citation needed]

Hoopido Quote 2009-04-29 05:56:55 PM
CitizenTed: Tatsuma: Epsilon: It should go without saying that had John McCain won the election, Sarah Palin would certainly be on the list and Obama wouldn't.

Wouldn't you agree that Sarah Palin deserves to be more on that list than Michelle Obama?

No way. Michelle is hotter (and smarter) than that swag-bellied harridan. I don't get all the Palin-love. She reminds me of a sexually repressed, varicose-veined, minivan pilot.

Michelle should be on the cover of National Geographic with a bone in her nose and her pancake tits hanging to her waist, as a warning about a new strain of AIDS.

Tada.

mizchief: The birth of the modern Democratic party was the day they realized it was cheaper to suppress the poor minorities by tossing out table scraps than it was to beat them in the street with dogs and water hoses.

The birth of the modern Republican Party was the day they reached out to Southerners who were upset about the Federal government telling them to stop beating blacks in the street.

National Black Republican Association calls on Democrat Party to apologize for racism.

I'm sure when someone creates such an organization they'll get right on that.

Halli: Tada.



Interesting. Thanks.


Yeah you ou need to be moar subtle than that.

+20 for use of term "pancake tits" though.