Control_this: Iran has rape rooms. Rape rooms, I tell you.

I know you're joking but, they do. A woman, especially a foreign woman, arrested in Iran is very likely to be raped.

i missed the part about him entertaining the thought of an alliance with the US. maybe i'll read it a 3rd time and see if it shows up.

Someone should wake up the countless Kurds that "died" from the "WMDs". Gosh golly, they're good pretenderers. You can stop pretending! We know Saddam really didn't have WMDs!!! lulz!

CanisNoir: themeaningoflifeisnot: The only thing that is important and relevant to me is that because of George Bush and his cronies, thousands of American families lost a dad, mom, brother or sister for a political purpose that was not compelling or worthy.

So you don't think lancing the boil that was the Middle East with a long term eye for peace and democratization in the area, isn't a worthy enough cause? More people were murdered in Chicago alone than died in Iraq during the year of 2008.

Link (new window)

I'd say our soldiers who payed the ultimate price died for a much better reason than the people in Chicago who bought it, don't you think? So which would be a better focus of your energy? Trying to stop the process of allowing Iraqi's their chance at self-determination or trying to stop the crime spree in Chicago?

Chicago, you hate it.

xaveth: Someone should wake up the countless Kurds that "died" from the "WMDs". Gosh golly, they're good pretenderers. You can stop pretending! We know Saddam really didn't have WMDs!!! lulz!

America has slavery

ask your third grade teacher to review the concept of past-, present-, and future-tense and get back to us.

meanwhile, we'll continue to nuke japan.

rippinthegears: Chicago, you hate it.



;P

This is old information. It was well understood that Saddam had little or nothing in the way of WMD's. After the beating his armed forces took from us in the first gulf war, followed by years of UN sanctions, his country was so weak he desperately feared several of his neighbors, including Iran and Turkey. It was very well known that his claims of WMD's were totally fictitious and that he only made the claims in hopes of making potential invaders a little wary of making the move.

With regards to his gassing of the Kurds, lets go all the way back in the history line. After largely destroying and scattering most of Saddams military capability in the first gulf war, the US strongly urged the Kurds to attack Saddam and drive him out of the area so as to establish their own independent country. We promised them military support. When the Kurds attacked, we supplied no assistance whatsoever. Hussein was faced with two choices, get overrun by the Kurds since he had no significant military capability, or use the gas.

Bay of Pigs, anyone?

So in short, we knew he didn't have WMD's, we just wanted a war and we found several good, but fictitious reasons to start one, and its entirely our fault that the Kurds were gassed.

It's real easy to sit back and cast stones at Bush simply because we didn't find WMD's that everyone and their brother thought might be there, but it's a short sighted person who does so.

It was well known that Saddam did not have WMDs. Furthermore Iraq was also in compliance with the UN.

But keep lying. :)

This is not news. Everybody who DIDN'T watch Fox news knew the WMD accusations were false. There were reports of Saddam trying to open a back-channel dialog with the US in the weeks before the invasion.

To this day, I know Fox news viewers who STILL think Saddam was behind 9/11.

CanisNoir: themeaningoflifeisnot: Strike that "Iran" and substitute "Iraq." That's what I get for not proof-reading.

I do that often so no worries. I disagree with you though. Where you see nothing but a nefarious plot to expand greed, I see something quite different.

I see decades of a failed Middle East Policy by both parties culminating in a major attack by terrorists on the US Mainland causing a major shift in that policy. The belief that a governmental model of Self Determination, since you dislike the term "democracy", is the most freest and therefore best model has always been our policy. We just shifted from attempting to achieve it by passive diplomacy to active engagement.

It was messy and it won't work for every nation in the middle east, but it got the best result in the shortest span of time, in decades.

I disagree that the neocons had any interest in simple self-determination. Their marching orders have always been to establish representative governments. Allowing self-determination in an Islamic country is very unlikely to result in a representative system. Self-determination in an Islamic country is much more likely to result in a theocratic, non-representational government. That is not at all in the long-range interests of the United States and does not fit within the economic plans of Bush, Rumsfeld, Feith, and company.

The reality is that some ignorant, arrogant American political pricks saw a chance to play with their war toys in furtherance of a political policy that most Americans did not agree with. And good Americans died and lost arms and legs because of it.

Bush's actions are in Iraq are completely indefensible, and besides the human cost, it sucked up a trillion dollars.

OgreMagi: Saddam used gas on the Kurds. Gas is a WMD. He didn't just farking make it up.

An Iraqi tribunal convicted him of crimes against humanity, and he was hanged at the end of 2006.

50,000 Kurds murdered. And another 300,000~500,000 (the exact number is still unknown) of his own citizens murdered and buried in mass graves.

"By God, if I had such weapons, I would have used them in the fight against the United States."

Nope, I still don't see where we make a mistake. The world is better off without him. Good riddance.

Mongo cut wood:

At least neocons are willing to sacrifice popularity to do what they feel is right and good for their country. Sometimes what is popular, is not always what is best.

Maybe the Neocons shouldn't be so concerned with sacrificing "popularity" and actually go JOIN the military, you know, to do "what they feel is right and good for their country".
Real solders/sailors/airmen/marines don't like wars, simply because they are the ones who have to go and die in them.

/yes I know Rumsfeld was a Navy Pilot
//and that Bush Jr's daddy made him join the Guard
///but neocons are still chickenhawks
////looking at you, Cheney and Limbaugh

Well looks like this was just a case of a guy screaming that he had a bomb, got taken down by the cops and discovered that it was just a joystick made to look like a detonator.

rewind2846 Quote 2009-07-03 07:06:08 PM
Mongo cut wood:

At least neocons are willing to sacrifice popularity to do what they feel is right and good for their country. Sometimes what is popular, is not always what is best.

Maybe the Neocons shouldn't be so concerned with sacrificing "popularity" and actually go JOIN the military, you know, to do "what they feel is right and good for their country".
Real solders/sailors/airmen/marines don't like wars, simply because they are the ones who have to go and die in them.

/yes I know Rumsfeld was a Navy Pilot
//and that Bush Jr's daddy made him join the Guard
///but neocons are still chickenhawks
////looking at you, Cheney and Limbau0gh



WOW Big talk from a party that runs to Canada to avoid defending their country and tells their kids not to join the military. Let's face it, Democrats are Yellow and spineless.

Many neocons have sons/daughters in the service. McCain's son graduated from Naval Acadamy and is serving in Iraq.

Control_this: Iran has rape rooms. Rape rooms, I tell you.

Dude, I have a rape room.

BTW, Saddam? Worst. Bluff. EVER.

Glenn beck says it-he's a loony
Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Ingram, Mancow, etc.
If they had said this..you would blast them for being idiots.

But one AP nutter, and the heavens open up for the word of god.

Just fer the record, we found chemicals in the Tigris and the Euphrates.
Little stuff like anthrax, mustard gas, ricin and others.
We found dozens of mobile weapons labs.
Thousands of pounds of chem materials in unexploded ordinance.

This is just reason #422 why I think the media can make uninformed people into sheep.

So............ Now that we know it was Saddam who fooled the entire world that he had credible WMDs and would use them, all you Farkers who called GW a liar will promptly apologize to him, right? RIGHT???????

ragekage: *golfclap*

Though I would never have accepted an "alliance" with Saddam Hussein- he was, after all, a despotic farkwit- still, more evidence that it wasn't worth the lives of thousands of some of the most dedicated of our citizens and the trillion and a half dollars we poured into that sand-filled hell hole in the middle east.

yea, let's all hook up with a mass murderer... I love when liberals just want to play with adults....

biffstallion: ragekage: *golfclap*

Though I would never have accepted an "alliance" with Saddam Hussein- he was, after all, a despotic farkwit- still, more evidence that it wasn't worth the lives of thousands of some of the most dedicated of our citizens and the trillion and a half dollars we poured into that sand-filled hell hole in the middle east.

yea, let's all hook up with a mass murderer... I love when liberals just want to play with adults....

Hey, Pancho, I don't know where you got that from what I said there. I mean... just no way I can distill your comment out of mine. And besides that, fark, I'm not even a liberal- not even close! Wow! That's a helluva lot of fail to cram into two sentences.

/hotlink, yes?

I called this. Prepare for the new invasion.

natas6.0: Glenn beck says it-he's a loony
Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Ingram, Mancow, etc.
If they had said this..you would blast them for being idiots.

But one AP nutter, and the heavens open up for the word of god.

Just fer the record, we found chemicals in the Tigris and the Euphrates.
Little stuff like anthrax, mustard gas, ricin and others.
We found dozens of mobile weapons labs.
Thousands of pounds of chem materials in unexploded ordinance.

This is just reason #422 why I think the media can make uninformed people into sheep.

The record, show it to us.
With pics.