JohnBigBootay: which would make her yet another person to have been farked by Bernie Maddof

I think that's a forgone conclusion.

ha shshe had enoug to drinkk?

YES (NSFW)

Hiro's Protagonist: Am I the only one more pissed off at the SEC than at Madoff?

The converse to that question: "Am I more pissed off at Madoff than the SEC?" would be asked by someone to the right of your particular political leaning.

The centrist would ask: "What is a good reason guns carry more than one bullet?"

Since, in this case, the fox was watching the hen house, but the hens were raping the neighbors and letting the fox watch, it's only reasonable to be angry at the fox AND the hens. The neighbors are only going to get some sympathetic baby wipes for the ripped anus.

/this analogy brought to you by Coors Light.

demerdin: she probably deserves her 2.5 million, and many many more millions on top of that.

Actually, she deserves shiat. If he'd made his money selling drugs they would go ahead and take everything and there wouldn't be any nitpicking over "money unrelated to the fraud". It would just all be property of the federal government.

She's getting a pass. If she was a woman married to a drug dealer the Feds would be taking her wedding ring.

shanrick: Madoff's wife is now "available?" Yes, no?

She's poor (or soon to be) and 67 years old. If that turns you on - have at it.

thevexationman: I smile knowing that it just eats you up inside that she will walk free with more assets ($2.5M) than you or anybody else in this thread will ever have.

Civil suits haven't started yet, genius. $2.5 million won't even cover her legal fees.

From_The_Year_2000: YoungSwedishBlonde: So apparently free market capitalism is punishable by 150 years in jail these days...

/in Obama America

You know, I know you aren't usually a troll, and I know you were just trying to be funny, but that's the worst attempt at a troll I've seen in my life, and that's an auto-block

I almost want to autoblock you for being a tool, but I hate using the ignore list.

/you're trolling too, right? I hope so.

Hermione_Granger: I hope they at least let her get her toothbrush. Maybe some pj's. Enough for human dignity. They could have supervised what she took and made sure it was just basics.

Don't like it when anyone gets treated like this.

I don't hate the woman, because I haven't read anything that stated she was aware that her husband was stealing from all his investors.

HOWEVER, she lived a life of luxury with money stolen from people's retirement accounts. While all those investors were scraping pennies together so live with a little "human dignity" after they retire, she was eating in the finest foods, wearing the finest clothes, and just generally living the good life with stolen money. So if they can sell her used tooth brush and pj's on eBay for mere 5 cents and use it to reimburse an investor even a micro portion of their investment, than it needs to be done.

elchip: The problem is, if you run out of new investors -- like Madoff eventually did -- the whole thing comes crashing down and people -- especially the newest investors who haven't seen any "returns" yet -- lose their money.

In this case, Palpatine had at least $171 billion. Let's see what that could get you.

NASA gets $17.8 billion in 2009.
The Department of Veterans Affairs gets $50.4 billion in 2009.
The Department of Energy gets $33.9 billion in 2009.
The entire 2009-2011 budget for Washington state is about $66.1 billion.

You get all that, and you still have change (about a billion and a half) left over.

She's biatching because she couldn't take a fur coat?

FormlessOne: In this case, Palpatine had at least $171 billion. Let's see what that could get you.

No, Madoff didn't have $171 billion. That'd make him the world's richest man several times over. He was personally worth about 1/1000 of that. He had collected somewhere around that much money for his scheme over time, most of which was paid off as "returns" to earlier "investors."

Lifeless: Saul Good: thevexationman: ...-edit-...
Nice try puss bucket troll, that guilty dollar whore deserves to be raped by gorillas.

Gorillas have much smaller penes than humans.

So, yeah, that changes everything.

elchip: He had collected somewhere around that much money for his scheme over time

You gotta understand, those high numbers you see when talking about Madoff include his future "yields". Mainly because, for asset valuation purposes, that's what his victims valued them at. Which is important, because you can use your assets as backing for loans and other investments.

If you exclusively look at total cash given to Madoff and ignore everything else, he took in about 3 Billion.

"Proceeds from a sale of the property and its contents could be used to help reimburse those who lost billions of dollars investing with Madoff before he confessed to running a Ponzi scheme."

Yeah right. Government thieves and lawyers will keep all that.

olddinosaur: Bernie steals billions/gov't steals trillions, but look who's in jail?

Of course, government doesn't like competition.

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: ha shshe had enoug to drinkk?

YES (NSFW)

I have NO idea what you're talking about, but I gotta say I love the way you're saying it.

If she didnt know she is just like a woman. If she knew, she is just like a woman.

/love women.

geedavey: But Guccione already owns a Penthouse. Why'd he want another?


/hot n' sticky

So a bunch of people engage in a private financial transaction with somebody who claims a higher reward thatn T-bills for the apparent higher risk they are willing to take. They lose their shirts. Remind me again why we the taxpayers via the SIPC are paying them even a penny when these people's investment was consciously made in unregulated places? If you invested your life savings in :CueCats, where would your government check be, other than at the welfare store?

I can'e believe the unmittigated gall of the madoff investors to complain about the SEC when they knew damn well that their investment was outside of the SEC's jurisdiction. Those investors can go to hell and don't deserve a moment of sympathy.

FTFA:

Federal marshals seized disgraced financier Bernard Madoff's $7 million Manhattan penthouse on Thursday and forced his wife to move out and leave her possessions behind, including a fur coat she had asked to take with her, an official told The Associated Press.

Good.

Reduce the biatch to penury.

On that last word, go look it up, kids.

She was a farking principal in the scam. In short, so no gaadam sympathy. She damn well knew what was going on, yet is geting off light, as are her kids. For now.

Oh, and for the record, yeah, my pension plan lost a chunk of money in this financial rape. However, it is not enough to personally affect me, so I have no axe to grind on this other than my personal outrage at these farktards.

olddinosaur: She's lucky they didn't bash down the door with a battering ram and shoot her in the back, that's the way the Feds usually do it.

No... those are POOR people.

Rich people who steal from rich people they just hold the door and say "GTFO".

elchip: Senator Palpatine calls up Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala to tell them of an awesome investment retirement scheme. They each give him $100.

Palpatine's "fund" now has $200.

Palpatine then calls up Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto, Mace Windu and Agen Kolar to tell them of his awesome scheme. They each give him $100.

It's a good thing Palpatine never approached Boba Fett. That would have turned out real ugly in the end.

Bernie's crimes are peanuts compared to what the Paulson-Bernanke Gang made off with.

America needs a death sentence for large financial crimes (amounts over $1 million).
Under that I would have a variety of unpleasant punishments for lesser amounts.

Life imprisonment for stealing $500,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets.

25 years in jail for stealing $250,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

12 years in jail for stealing $125,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

10 years in jail for stealing $62,500 + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money.

With lesser financial crimes being handled by the standard incompetent Justice system in the currently inadequate way.

While I'm all for financial sleazebags getting their just desserts...

The people who were in on this deserved to get fked just as much as Madoff. There isn't an infinite supply of money to keep paying you out. Greedy assholes.

Gridlock: America needs a death sentence for large financial crimes (amounts over $1 million).
Under that I would have a variety of unpleasant punishments for lesser amounts.

Life imprisonment for stealing $500,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets.

25 years in jail for stealing $250,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

12 years in jail for stealing $125,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

10 years in jail for stealing $62,500 + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money.

With lesser financial crimes being handled by the standard incompetent Justice system in the currently inadequate way.

Are you on crack?

A human life is worth $1,000,000 to you?

Jesus christ, seek help.

NYZooMan: olddinosaur: They ought to let Bernie out of jail, put him in charge of Social Security and pay him a royalty.

Bernie steals billions/gov't steals trillions, but look who's in jail?

Give it time. We're working our way up.

I have a big vat of tar heating up. Give a holler when you get to the politicians.

Now where did I put my feather pillows?

OgreMagi: NYZooMan: olddinosaur: They ought to let Bernie out of jail, put him in charge of Social Security and pay him a royalty.

Bernie steals billions/gov't steals trillions, but look who's in jail?

Give it time. We're working our way up.

I have a big vat of tar heating up. Give a holler when you get to the politicians.

Now where did I put my feather pillows?

One normally only feathers someone if the tar isn't boiling their skin apart.

You, though? You're cruel.

Gridlock: America needs a death sentence for large financial crimes (amounts over $1 million).
Under that I would have a variety of unpleasant punishments for lesser amounts.

Life imprisonment for stealing $500,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets.

25 years in jail for stealing $250,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

12 years in jail for stealing $125,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

10 years in jail for stealing $62,500 + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money.

With lesser financial crimes being handled by the standard incompetent Justice system in the currently inadequate way.

I would almost agree with you, however you have no inflation index, and your sentence guidlines are high by a factor of 10

however since everyone today seems to like "hate crimes" we can add lots of time if you take money from poor people or minorities./

oh, then please can we add the same punishment for preachers if they are found to be hypocrits,

and people in politics who are found to be dirty,I would like this very much, God knows that with no one left in DC I could be President

Therion: Bernie's crimes are peanuts compared to what the Paulson-Bernanke Gang made off with.

Uh, Greenspan?

Do you think his peeps are starving?

Goodbye & get out Mrs Madoff. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Bomb Head "I can'e believe the unmittigated gall of the madoff investors to complain about the SEC when they knew damn well that their investment was outside of the SEC's jurisdiction."

I don't have much sympathy for many of the investors, BUT, if Madoff was outside SEC jurisdiction...why'd the SEC investigate him? why'd that knowledgable whistleblower hand over info to the SEC?

Cubansaltyballs: F*CK HER.

If I ever saw her walking down the street, I'd throw an egg at her... then steal her cart full of cans.

If you're going to throw an egg at her, at least make certain it's a rotten egg. After all, she deserves the very best.

belowner: Hiro's Protagonist: Am I the only one more pissed off at the SEC than at Madoff?

The converse to that question: "Am I more pissed off at Madoff than the SEC?" would be asked by someone to the right of your particular political leaning.

The centrist would ask: "What is a good reason guns carry more than one bullet?"

Since, in this case, the fox was watching the hen house, but the hens were raping the neighbors and letting the fox watch, it's only reasonable to be angry at the fox AND the hens. The neighbors are only going to get some sympathetic baby wipes for the ripped anus.

/this analogy brought to you by Coors Light.

demerdin: she probably deserves her 2.5 million, and many many more millions on top of that.

Actually, she deserves shiat. If he'd made his money selling drugs they would go ahead and take everything and there wouldn't be any nitpicking over "money unrelated to the fraud". It would just all be property of the federal government.

She's getting a pass. If she was a woman married to a drug dealer the Feds would be taking her wedding ring.

shanrick: Madoff's wife is now "available?" Yes, no?

She's poor (or soon to be) and 67 years old. If that turns you on - have at it.

thevexationman: I smile knowing that it just eats you up inside that she will walk free with more assets ($2.5M) than you or anybody else in this thread will ever have.

Civil suits haven't started yet, genius. $2.5 million won't even cover her legal fees.

I'm guessing the 2.5 million is going to be used mostly to cover her new Florida "homestead".

Bathia_Mapes: Cubansaltyballs: F*CK HER.

If I ever saw her walking down the street, I'd throw an egg at her... then steal her cart full of cans.

If you're going to throw an egg at her, at least make certain it's a rotten egg. After all, she deserves the very best.

Could always just slap her upside the head with a tube sock filled with dog shiat.

DanQuayle: and people in politics who are found to be dirty,I would like this very much, God knows that with no one left in DC I could be President

That was kind of my take on it... the congressional pension is insane to me... I've lived off much, much less than that my whole life, if I knew I was sure to have it for the rest of my life, I'd be incorruptible... I don't need the extra hassle when i'm already set for life

centralciudad: About dang time.

Woke up one morning to see 7 squad cars lined up in front of the house at 6am. The feds and police were there to arrest my neighbor who was operating a mortgage fraud scheme. (ie: buy a dump, fix it up, put a buyer into it w/ falsified mtg application, out-of-state lender holds the title, owner defaults, whole thing comes unraveled)

The feds seized everything. (seized the leather pants off his partner at another location) His fiancee was out on her butt with a blanket over her shoulders and her dog in her arms.
By the end of the day, the house was completely empty.

Madoff deserves no better.

Re your neighbor's fiancee... you might change your thoughts when you wake up with the federales taking all your shiat (that was yours via your own hardwork) with a quite possibly over reaching warrant not even leaving you with your farking clothes. Unless they've got good proof, why would they take her shiat too? Good luck on her getting any of it back unharmed. It'll cost thousands (and hope you have all recipts or bought via credit) and months or years depending on their investigation and trial time.

I have no love for Madoff types etc. but you have to watch the cops/Feds/gov like a hawk as they love the property seizure laws that favor them rather unfairly.

centralciudad: Woke up one morning to see 7 squad cars lined up in front of the house at 6am. The feds and police were there to arrest my neighbor who was operating a mortgage fraud scheme. (ie: buy a dump, fix it up, put a buyer into it w/ falsified mtg application, out-of-state lender holds the title, owner defaults, whole thing comes unraveled)

This happened at a place across from one of my offices. The guy was trading minerals....and got busted for it. As they looked into it more the guys who he worked with had a mortgage scam going on. When he was making his money everything was ok, he was a bit of a dick but he wasn't too nuts. When they started sniffing around he started walking around with a pistol. Last time I saw the guy he was in the parking lot of our office screaming into a phone and waving a pistol. Funny thing. Cops showed up, he shook hands with them, put his pistol away then went on his business.

When they hit his house up he was already gone, in jail. His wife and kids, no idea. One day the houe looked lived in (outside of an unmowed lawn), the next, empty. I'm talking nothing left but the ring around the tub. Wrought iron fence? Gone. Security cameras? Gone. Picked clean.

One of my coworkers lost money to Madoff. Apparently someone at her synagogue was making great returns, got her involved. She lost around 400k....she's really pissed. Oddly she's pissed at Bush for it. :P

She should take the subway to low income area.

She worked for him. She must have had suspicions over time.

She tried to help hide assets when it started crumbling. She has lived off the profits of a scam for decades.

She should be stripped of everything, all of their houses, all of her money, and be given food stamps and government provided retirement shelter.

LavenderWolf: Are you on crack?

A human life is worth $1,000,000 to you?

Jesus christ, seek help.

Actually I would price it at a billion flat normally.
The price would be what it would cost the other party if they were found guilty of killing you.
An index should be made which values and devalues life according to behavior. Earned or inherited money does not affect the "Life Value" index unless they are doing something worthwhile with it for other people.

Get 1 year of practical employable-job-skills education and your life value goes up by $1 million.

Be a public asshole for a week and your life goes down $1 million.

Invent something worthwhile and usable by the community and your life value goes up $1 million per year that the invention is still being used.

Steal a car, your life value goes down by the cost of the car times 10.

And so on. Do something worthwhile to better yourself or the community and your life value goes up. Do something destructive or foolish and you may find that people have zero problem or cost in killing you.

At the end of it all, some wealthy folks might have a "Penalty for killing" life value of $1. Some homeless people without a penny to their name might have a "Penalty for killing" value of $3 billion. The cost will be spread out if more than one person is doing the killing. I figure once a person's "Life Value" is known, society will take care of the rest of the balancing of books.

LavenderWolf: Gridlock: America needs a death sentence for large financial crimes (amounts over $1 million).
Under that I would have a variety of unpleasant punishments for lesser amounts.

Life imprisonment for stealing $500,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets.

25 years in jail for stealing $250,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

12 years in jail for stealing $125,000 and immediate forfeiture of all assets + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money and the later auction of seized assets.

10 years in jail for stealing $62,500 + once released the crook is reduced to Public Welfare income for housing &food while being required to get a job to pay back any remaining monies owed to the victims not paid back with the seized money.

With lesser financial crimes being handled by the standard incompetent Justice system in the currently inadequate way.

Are you on crack?

A human life is worth $1,000,000 to you?

Jesus christ, seek help.

Yeah, in the military life insurance is only 100k plus salary. Human life is worth around $130,000 to our government. Stop grossly overrating it.

If you're talking about chopping a human up and selling his organs on the black market, its probably around a million. www.humanforsale.com/ (new window)

farbles: Hermione_Granger: I hope they at least let her get her toothbrush. Maybe some pj's. Enough for human dignity.

Don't like it when anyone gets treated like this.


/no sympathy. i can just imagine the sort of opinions this harpie was spewing about us regular folks a few short months ago.

Don't flatter yourself- I doubt she had even the slightest inclination to make any effort to think about anyone outside of her world.

Gridlock: LavenderWolf: Are you on crack?

A human life is worth $1,000,000 to you?

Jesus christ, seek help.

Actually I would price it at a billion flat normally.
The price would be what it would cost the other party if they were found guilty of killing you.
An index should be made which values and devalues life according to behavior. Earned or inherited money does not affect the "Life Value" index unless they are doing something worthwhile with it for other people.

Get 1 year of practical employable-job-skills education and your life value goes up by $1 million.

Be a public asshole for a week and your life goes down $1 million.

Invent something worthwhile and usable by the community and your life value goes up $1 million per year that the invention is still being used.

Steal a car, your life value goes down by the cost of the car times 10.

And so on. Do something worthwhile to better yourself or the community and your life value goes up. Do something destructive or foolish and you may find that people have zero problem or cost in killing you.

At the end of it all, some wealthy folks might have a "Penalty for killing" life value of $1. Some homeless people without a penny to their name might have a "Penalty for killing" value of $3 billion. The cost will be spread out if more than one person is doing the killing. I figure once a person's "Life Value" is known, society will take care of the rest of the balancing of books.

Problem. Corporations have way more money than individuals. Would anyone blow the whistle on fraud or illegal activities knowing they could be legally killed?

She should be in jail with him.

Pocket Ninja: Sometimes I catch myself feeling a little bad for this woman. Then I stop.


For whatever reason I hold her in less reguard the Bernie. Probably becasue they remind me of the Marcos'. I was living in Manilla be before and during their fall. Imelida was the force behind the presidency then. Her greed and self-absorption was what was behind their downfall.

elchip: Ruth Madoff's future:

Wow. Please tell me that is a movie still and not real life.

That's otay
She'll find another shark to attach herself to
Remora

Riche: As I understand it, Ruth Madoff was not involved in the scam. Maybe she suspected something dishonest was up, but with that much money coming in just about any human would end up in denial.

I have a bridge to sell you. Ruth Madoff is an accountant by training.

Riche: The investment income on $2.5M would be around $75K a year, I guess. Not too shabby (I wish I was pulling in that kind of money) but an amount that clearly leaves her in the middle class.

Only if you don't think she should hit that capital (i.e., that the scumbag sons deserve any of it). She's 70. If she's aiming to be broke at 100, she could spend $140k a year, with a 3% inflation adjustment every future year, even just invested in T-bills.

She could do fine in New York on $140k a year (even if I'd prefer Oklahoma).

Now go after the rest of the execs and his kids. They knew.

The diamonds were sewn into the lining of her fur coat...

farbles: ... She should be happy that there is no true justice or her pampered white ass would be rendered into dog soap...

This has been on my mind all morning and I have to know: What is dog soap?

The court should have ordered both husband and wife locked up together.

Bernie would spend the rest of his wretched life listen to the old battleaxe biatch and moan to him about how he ruined her.

On second thought, that might be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

boobsrgood: elchip: Ruth Madoff's future:

Wow. Please tell me that is a movie still and not real life.



Hey! A customer!

LavenderWolf:
... A human life is worth $1,000,000 to you?...

Please be more specific. Yours, mine, Giselle Bundchen's? It's a sliding scale.