El Chode:
I cannot wait until they all die off.

Don't be a dipshiat. Don't begrudge them. They are a massive cohort of aging people with plenty of money.

What you should be doing is thinking of ways to exploit them.



brap: Bek: McFifenstein: Which brings us to the whole "we're entitled to have functioning boners till we're 85" thing.

My boner stops functioning at around 78 inches. After that it turns into one of those promotional balloon guys.

Sorry ladies.

Comedy Gold.

Mrstupid7:

The last kitchen I worked for would literally hire people who could fill out an application almost right, as soon as they handed the application in. The owner wondered why he kept getting shiatty workers and having all his good people leave.

omris: LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

I have to agree with you here. Even though I'm 27. I got a better job in order to not have to have roommates because they couldn't keep their menial jobs long enough to always have the rent, and there was no way I was going to save for a down payment if I had to keep bailing them out of trouble. Being well educated doesn't mean anything if you're still a lazy slob. Have fun in your crappy jobs for crappy money. I quit my job in December because of an ethics issue with my boss, and started a new job the first week of February with about a 25% salary increase. Tell me again how hard it is to find jobs when you're a good employee?

Being fresh out of college with no real experience, and competing with people who have 10-20 years of experience for relatively low-level jobs, dumbass.

This whole attitude that young people are worthless employees makes it very, very easy for those of us with some motivation to rise through merit. So thanks, worthless slacker peers and prejudiced boomers, you're doing some of us a solid.

/24

Don't have to RTFA, don't have to RTFT: obvious bullshiat.

IrateShadow: wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

On the flip side, you have wages that haven't really risen since the 80's, and a corporate environment where everyone will be thrown out on their ass and replaced with temps to raise the company stock a few points. Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

One of the mos pervasive and insidious lies that the American worker has been sold as a "virtue" is the notion of "company loyalty". I resolve to show the same level of loyalty to my co-workers and employer as they demonstrate to me. If I see someone "let go" with no prior notice for anything other than gross misconduct then I feel relieved of providing notice should I choose to leave.

How many times have you seen someone do more work than they are required to, or off the clock work even, out of the misguided sense of loyalty? If I'm working for a valid profit-share then yes I'm all for it because it does benefit me directly; otherwise it is a scam (a notorious scam in the case of some well-known employers such as Wal-Mart) to understaff and overwork the few people they do keep on hand.

Am I missing something? Are we supposed to post something ironic in this thread?

We've already seen:
- people complaining about "how hard" work is
- baby boomers complaining about owning two houses

If these comments are real, then there's no hope. Stick a fork in it, cuz we're done.

Just my 2¢:

I am 55 years old. Technically, the end of the baby boom. I've spent the last 33 years working in an industry (manufacturing, specifically machining) that has been increasingly sent overseas. I have no debt, other than a mortgage for a $100K house that sitting on a $600K piece of land in the bay area of CA. I have never over-extended myself, credit wise. I have been able to live comfortabally, within my means.

Until I was laid off (1st time) before Memorial day, I have never asked for or received any govt. assistance.

When I look around at the havoc wrecked by the housing meltdown, I see people of all ages who bought into the idea that everything would be fine if you bought everything on credit. Buy the 1 million dollar house with a 0% ARM, re-finance in a couple of months and use the equity to spring for a couple of SUVs. Rinse and repeat. Before you blame the people who bought into it (yes, I will be bailing them out) you might want to look at the industry that sold it to them.

Before we blame any one generation for our current problems, we need to look at our history for the last 100 years that got us to this point. After all, the generation(s) after the "baby boomers" have been able to vote for the last 20 some years. Perhaps, instead of trying to pit one generation against another, we should look to pitting the "have nots" against the "haves"

We'll make an exception for the WWII Generation, but Boomers:

dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

therealpope: Pure BS. What freaking fantasy world was this article talking about? I don't know many (perhaps any) "over 55's" who are jetting across the globe as they sip champagne. In fact, I do know many "over 55's" who are working just as hard as they were at 25 so they can pay the bills.

My parents aren't. They are 59 and 60, paid off their mortgage about 10-12 years ago, spend a lot of time on their boat, and travel a lot. They took a trans-Atlantic cruise in April. Went to South Africa about 18 months ago. Looking forward to selling their house and buying a big boat when they retire. Let me tell you, most of the people who keep boats in that marina are over 50. Not seeing a lot of 30-40 somethings owning boats.

It didn't used to be like that, which is the point of the article, mostly. It used to be possible to pay off any debt you'd have, which would have been minimal, and save money with entry level jobs even while you start a family. Not so much now.

Plus, it's a survey of just over 2000 people. Your friends probably don't track with the population of the survey that closely.

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Shhhh, idiots are talking.

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're over 55 you're having the time of your life, but spare a thought to those under 25 who are cleaning your toilet - if they're lucky

Sorry, that was really, really annoying me.

GreyArt: We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one.

This is so good it has to be fattening!

UNC_Samurai [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-02 09:53:38 PM
I won't blame the baby boomers any more than I blame the young "conservatives" like myself that were fooled 15-20 years ago into buying into the Republican mindset lock, stock, and barrel. It's taken me 15 years to go from dyed-in-the-wool Republican to Libertarian to might-as-well-be-liberal, and it's been destructive right-wing policies that have made me and a number of reformed Republicans see the error of our ways. Are we, 30 years from now, to be blamed for the decade of despair?

Yeah? well just wait till you live through the upcoming depression/great inflation. That's gonna be a hoot. You might be nostalgic for the old days.

MrThingy: Just my 2¢:

I am 55 years old. Technically, the end of the baby boom. I've spent the last 33 years working in an industry (manufacturing, specifically machining) that has been increasingly sent overseas. I have no debt, other than a mortgage for a $100K house that sitting on a $600K piece of land in the bay area of CA. I have never over-extended myself, credit wise. I have been able to live comfortabally, within my means.

Until I was laid off (1st time) before Memorial day, I have never asked for or received any govt. assistance.

When I look around at the havoc wrecked by the housing meltdown, I see people of all ages who bought into the idea that everything would be fine if you bought everything on credit. Buy the 1 million dollar house with a 0% ARM, re-finance in a couple of months and use the equity to spring for a couple of SUVs. Rinse and repeat. Before you blame the people who bought into it (yes, I will be bailing them out) you might want to look at the industry that sold it to them.

Before we blame any one generation for our current problems, we need to look at our history for the last 100 years that got us to this point. After all, the generation(s) after the "baby boomers" have been able to vote for the last 20 some years. Perhaps, instead of trying to pit one generation against another, we should look to pitting the "have nots" against the "haves"

Well said, sir.

/41
// Blaming generations is dumb; I focus my ire on individuals...

The_Gallant_Gallstone: GreyArt: We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one.

This is so good it has to be fattening!

Why stop at just one?

Impudent Domain: Yeah? well just wait till you live through the upcoming depression/great inflation. That's gonna be a hoot. You might be nostalgic for the old days.

I'm looking forward to the emergence of extremist parties. If Communism and Fascism doesn't make comebacks, I'm going to be genuinely pissed off.

You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

They're also the ones that created everything around you, like the weeb and computers and stuff.

LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

Fark off. Among my group of close friends I can count a PhD economist, a Director of Communications for a nonprofit, an entrepanuer, a partner in a media company, a couple of writers who have actually published, etc. And we all range from 24-32.

There are plenty of us who contribute. So fark you and your farking boomer arsehole compatriots who think younger generations are shiftless losers.

In fact the shiftless ones are probably that way because you raised them in faceless, vanilla, suburbia.

El Chode: You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

Ha ha... you waste your time trolling old people.

El Chode:
I cannot wait until they all die off.


Uh, now Chode, I want make sure that we get two coats of wax this time. Not just one.

dead_dangler: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

You know, someday, I'd like to own one house.

Mrstupid7:
Being fresh out of college with no real experience, and competing with people who have 10-20 years of experience for relatively low-level jobs, dumbass.

Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly? It doesn't take experience on the job to realize that being chronically late is bad for your employment, but I had a roommate get fired for repeated tardiness. The whole group of them were let go for various reasons including excessive absence, poor performance, and a really bad attitude. They also quit various jobs for reasons such as "I don't like it enough." I'm not making this crap up. And most of the issues really did stem from excessive drugs, alcohol, and video games. I like WoW. But when it comes to playing video games and partying or doing my job well, many people my age make what I would consider to be a poor choice. And then they wonder why they can't get or keep a decent job.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

/26

My initial thought on this was this sounds exactly like the inflated sense of entitlement present in a lot of Gen-Yers. It has been said that the flaws hated in others is usually a reflection on oneself, and that seems to apply, here.

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Oh, hush. People have more fun when they stereotype, group classify, and profile.

And anyway, it makes life more comfy for us Gen-Xers who are quietly and efficiently gearing up to take over the world, whilst the Millenials biatch at the Boomers.

Well, all of this sure is making me happy I'm in grad school for a minimum of 3 more years. Sure the take home is only about $17k a year, but it's pleasant and low stress. Kind of monastic, really. Maybe I'll make some money later, it is a biological sciences PhD program... if not, meh.

/25
//bonus: coeds!

omris: Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly?

Being inexperienced doesn't keep you from being a good employee... it just keeps you from getting hired in the first place.

Yes my pain is delicious. LOL

But we haven't walked away from our responsibilities and don't plan to. I couldn't stand the thought of my grandchildren living in the slums that they could afford on my daughters salary alone. We'll be ok. We always have been.

Things aren't always as shiny as they look from the other side.

For a great many people, every hour of life is hazardous and difficult.

/41
// Blaming generations is dumb; I focus my ire on individuals...

Don't blame individuals, blame policies. Individuals just took the opportunity and ran with it. For too long we have had policies whose attitude was "capitalism is good if we let it free". It should be obvious by now that that is not true.

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

You bought a the height of housing bubble that made rent outrageous for the rest of us. I hope the market corrects itself and all the people who bought overpriced houses lose them.

/Still looking for rural land with a well to buy that I can put solar panels on and shoot guns on. Hard to find in SoCal.

dead_dangler: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

because who thought it would be a good idea to send perfectly good jobs overseas?

/feeding the fire

GreyArt: Yes my pain is delicious. LOL

But we haven't walked away from our responsibilities and don't plan to. I couldn't stand the thought of my grandchildren living in the slums that they could afford on my daughters salary alone. We'll be ok. We always have been.

Things aren't always as shiny as they look from the other side.

The undeserved sense of entitlement and unwillingness to accept personal responsibility runs deep with this one...

aiiee: Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're granted privilege, even through inheritance, and you refuse to give up that privilege then you're still responsible for it.

"I didn't buy these slaves, my daddy left them to me." - Still a slave owner.

"I didn't invent the idea that a 4ton vehicle with an inefficient engine was badass. The culture I grew up in told me it was badass." - Still responsible for it.

"I didn't invent the idea that paying taxes was un-American!" - Yes, you did; at least you ignored how farking stupid that idea was.

The boomers are the first generation that thought it made sense to have material success while paying nothing for it. They were the people who thought having a war without a tax increase made sense, the people who knew they were buying manufactured goods from overseas and destroying the industrial base here in the U.S. But they were "entitled" to own a lot of shiat, three cars and a big ass T.V., etc.

I feel bad for the few people here who were shafted by their own avarice (machinists in particular), but at least they got to live it up a little bit in the 70's and some of the 80's before that completely fell to shiat under administrations that soft-sold them the idea that you can have it all. Big military and cheap imported goods and low taxes.

I mean WTF is the logic? Are they going to now say they couldn't do the farking math on that one?

Are all boomers assholes and morons? No, obvious. But enough of them are/were to fark it up for their kids in the long run.

The parents of the boomers were the last generation to actually make sacrifices as a rule. My generation (kid of boomers) wants to have huge cars, do coke, and own a ton of shiat we don't need but you farkasses blew it all, now we pretty much have to be a bunch of dirty hippies or learn Chinese and compete with 2,000,000,000 people for the chance to solder plasma T.V.s for the rest of our lives until we die of lead poisoning, or go on welfare.

♠

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Just when I think I'm getting a handle on Fark, someone comes along and throws in a completely logical and reasonable statement.

Now I don't know which of us is posting to the wrong website.

Yes! I'm 25, I made it under the cutoff for once. Suck it grandpa!

*Guitar solo*

/That's what young people do these days, right? They tell the elderly to suck it and play air guitar on their graves... Right?

Wait till you see what happens when they've burnt through their retirement savings.

I am a baby boomer, and I am not having the time of my life.

In fact, I am damn scared for the future.

Young people these days figure they have a "right" to the basic necessities of life, a "right" to a job, a "right" to health care, and a "right" to be happy, et cetera ad mauseam.

I freely concede they learned a lot of that crap from us, but they should have known the people who told them that were full of it.

I not-so-fondly remember less than two years ago, people were flaming the hell out of me on FARK threads, saying crap like: "---screw you, dino! I just bought a 3,600 square-foot house for no money down at only[sic] $750,000 at 2.9% for 30 years, what could possibly go wrong?"

My short answer is: Freak near everything.

Your $750 K House might be worth $300K on paper, but yoyu would be lucky to get $200 K in a distress sale, but you still owe $730 K against it, your $900 mortgage payments have ballooned to $2600 because you didn't read the fine print, the City and County are still taxing it like it was worth $900 K because they need the money, and you voted for Obama thinking he would make life better for the common people, but so far all he has done is give $50 billion of your tax money to the bank which holds your mortgage---but not one red cent to you.

Wish you a lot of luck getting out of that mess.

Now after eight years of hating Bush (whom I concede was not that good) Obama gets elected promising everything to everybody, with no strings attached; "---everything will be fine, all that I need is just a little more power!"

Been there.

Got done by that.

No thank you.

From TFA: And while their parents are more likely to be active in the community and travel abroad, under-25s are the least likely to be in a satisfying relationship or to have a nice home of their own.

And why is this? It's because THEY HAVE NO FARKING MONEY, and they little money they do have will be paying off student loans UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

/tail end boomer, beginning Xer
//whateverdafarker

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

Well that's a little different than what your original post lead on.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: omris: Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly?

Being inexperienced doesn't keep you from being a good employee... it just keeps you from getting hired in the first place.

Fair enough. But I will tell you that doing even a bad job well will help you out in the meantime. If you have to take a job at McDonalds while you look for something entry level in your field, it is in your best interests not to get fired from McDonalds. The percentage of people who couldn't get ANY job is pretty damn small. I worked multiple menial jobs to pay for grad school applications, and the contacts and references are useful. A lot of people shoot themselves in the foot by screwing up even the simplest of jobs.

LockeOak: Well, all of this sure is making me happy I'm in grad school for a minimum of 3 more years. Sure the take home is only about $17k a year, but it's pleasant and low stress. Kind of monastic, really. Maybe I'll make some money later, it is a biological sciences PhD program... if not, meh.

/25
//bonus: coeds!

You and me both, brother! Jumped back into grad school last year. Not bringing in $17k, more like $8k cash--but waived $8k in fees,too. Not pleasant, but no stress whatsoever.

/49
//double bonus: coeds!
///what? you can't afford another D?
///slashies lead to orgasmic goodness

El Chode: You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

The generation we're supposed to "respect" are the same ones most likely to fall for a Nigerian scam.

PfizerX: That's what young people do these days, right? They tell the elderly to suck it and play air guitar on their graves... Right?

No air guitar... too early 90s.

Instead light a Parliament and drain that PBR over their LEEDS-Green-Certified tomb. Show your disdain by listening to Interpol on your iPod during the viewing service.

And don't forget to ask if the eggs are organic and the funereal luncheon.

El Chode: The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

I've worked with people of my generation and baby boomers. I can tell you without hesitation I'd rather work with someone 55 than work with someone who is 25. Not even for once second. Boomers aren't perfect, but most didn't grow up with a car, a vcr in their room, and live with their folks for years to soak off them instead of striking out on their own.

The biggest crime the boomers committed as assuming that their parents generation didn't know shiat and that the boomers knew how everything should go. I give them a free pass on it, since it seems to be the crime of nearly every generation.

But one thing you should consider. You've never know a real energy crisis and never known the fear of being drafted. You've also never seen a real nuclear war about to start. Until you have a little more experience, I'd suggest you STFU.

Also, if you have been working more than 4 years and don't have 6 months savings for an emergency, than you farked up and have no one to blame but yourself. When everyone else was buying new cars, getting bigger apartments and outfitting their places with new furniture post graduation, I was busting my ass at Sam's stocking shelves on nights and weekends after my primary job at a large institutional bank.

So when the layoff's started, I knew if I was let go that I could make it 6 months with no out side assistance and no real change in lifestyle. I also know I could go 10 months with severe restrictions.