Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

LaChanz: You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

It's probably big and fat from the cancer you got from the irresponsible lifestyle you lead and reliance on big industry for your red meat.

LaChanz: You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

Which brings us to the whole "we're entitled to have functioning boners till we're 85" thing.

I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

...and just to mention. I've cleaned toilets for a living. I did a good job at it and ended up running a crew when I was 22.

LaChanz: You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

You people haven't done anything in the last 40 years except drain the world dry of resources and demand more. You are a parasite on society.

GAT_00: LaChanz: You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

You people haven't done anything in the last 40 years except drain the world dry of resources and demand more. You are a parasite on society.

Obvious troll is obvious. Enjoy living in your grass house with your coconut computer.

We should increase taxes on Baby Boomers since they are wealthy and use a disproportionate amount of government spending.

I'm sure they won't mind sacrificing so their children can have health care.

LaChanz: Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2.

I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

I've cleaned toilets, too. Did roofing one summer, house painting the next. In Phoenix. Crawled around in attics the summer after that as an electrician's apprentice. Worked in a warehouse, sans AC, driving a propane powered forklift for a couple years before college, saving as much as I could.

Taught me what actually working for a living means, as well as the value of a desk job. :-) I don't think most kids these days are getting that kind of education.

Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

wee: LaChanz: Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2.

I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

I've cleaned toilets, too. Did roofing one summer, house painting the next. In Phoenix. Crawled around in attics the summer after that as an electrician's apprentice. Worked in a warehouse, sans AC, driving a propane powered forklift for a couple years before college, saving as much as I could.

Taught me what actually working for a living means, as well as the value of a desk job. :-) I don't think most kids these days are getting that kind of education.

Unfortunately, Mexicans do all those jobs now because brilliant baby boomer business owners figured out they can make more money that way. (And the entry level desk jobs are in India)

Thanks boomers!

wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

On the flip side, you have wages that haven't really risen since the 80's, and a corporate environment where everyone will be thrown out on their ass and replaced with temps to raise the company stock a few points. Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

Oh, and let's not forget the joys of 38.5 hour weeks!

El Chode: The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

Thread over.

El Chode:



I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

Even if I die tomorrow, I will still have gotten more pussy than you ever will

.

IrateShadow: Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

To me it's not really about the system as much as taking pride in what you do. When I was a teen I worked at Burger King with really no hope of rising to the glorified position of manager. But I was the best employee they had because I took pride in the fact I did my job well.

\off to bed because I'm old (45) and have to work early.
\\maybe I'll just call in sick, my job sucks anyway :)

IrateShadow: wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

On the flip side, you have wages that haven't really risen since the 80's, and a corporate environment where everyone will be thrown out on their ass and replaced with temps to raise the company stock a few points. Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

I haven't had a raise of more than .5 to 1% in 3 years. My department is consistently operated with 60% of the bodies we need. We are constantly behind and asked to give 125% everyday. Simply because our CEO would rather burn us out rather than hire bodies.

I won't blame the baby boomers any more than I blame the young "conservatives" like myself that were fooled 15-20 years ago into buying into the Republican mindset lock, stock, and barrel. It's taken me 15 years to go from dyed-in-the-wool Republican to Libertarian to might-as-well-be-liberal, and it's been destructive right-wing policies that have made me and a number of reformed Republicans see the error of our ways. Are we, 30 years from now, to be blamed for the decade of despair?

LaChanz: To me it's not really about the system as much as taking pride in what you do.

I can understand that, but almost everything is fungible at this point, including people. You don't pay the guy who has pride more, because you can hire two guys who don't give a shiat for what you pay him. And who cares if they cost you business? Most of the time there's no competition, or they're just as bad as you are.

Thank you for cleaning my toilet.
Remind me to leave you a little something extra.

TommyymmoT: Thank you for cleaning my toilet.
Remind me to leave you a little something extra.

*pleasedon'tletitbeinthetoilet*pleasedon'tletitbeinthetoilet*pleasedon'tletitbe i nthetoilet*pleasedon'tletitbeinthetoilet*

The under 25s, in contrast, are the generation most likely to be lonely and stressed by money worries, a survey claims.

Which generation had all those wealthy under 25s?

LaChanz: To me it's not really about the system as much as taking pride in what you do. When I was a teen I worked at Burger King with really no hope of rising to the glorified position of manager. But I was the best employee they had because I took pride in the fact I did my job well.

That's all well and good, until one day at work you realize that even though you're going to graduate from college soon, you will probably be stuck at this job because the shiatty economy has left very few career-jobs out there. Then you realize that even though you're working hard, no one cares. The customers don't give a crap as long as their fat faces are stuffed. The manager doesn't give a crap because he's busy kissing the DM's ass. Your co-workers don't care because they already realized this sad joke a long time ago, or because they're just honestly lazy and apathetic. You clean extra and do your best to stick to standards and do a good job and for what? What, may I ask you? Self-satisfaction will not pay the student loans, my friend.

/ahem

El Chode

I cannot wait until they all die off.

I've got an idea...



but you'd probably run.

Look, I didn't make them get a degree in art history, OK? Just mow my farking lawn and fetch me a bag of cheeseburgers...

El Chode: I cannot wait until they all die off.

You are such a loser...

McFifenstein: Which brings us to the whole "we're entitled to have functioning boners till we're 85" thing.

I am immensely pleased I took you off my ignore list.

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Of course the whole generation isn't evil.

However on the whole they where over-indulged by everyone from parents to government because the nukes were coming anytime. Maybe that is why they seem so damn greedy. They promised to change the world but things still seem the be the same if not worse. They have by and large turned into the crabby old men and women they so easily accused their parents of being.

So yeah many of us who bought their hippie shiat aren't really happy that with them right about now. The boomers having had their turn at running the country are running scared. All they manged was to choose a playboy and a fratboy, in that order, as their generation's selections to the be President.

Evil...no.
Changing f*ck all...yes.

Seit_N_Zounde:

[. . .]

Well that's reductive enough to qualify as pure wharrgarbl. If you can't think your way out of a wet paper bag, perhaps you deserve to be beset by overpriveleged geriatrics

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Bek: McFifenstein: Which brings us to the whole "we're entitled to have functioning boners till we're 85" thing.

My boner stops functioning at around 78 inches. After that it turns into one of those promotional balloon guys.

Sorry ladies.

as long as the 55 and older crowd isn't working for health care coverage in the US; i see a ton of them

LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.


did you ever stop to wonder why ?

no, I didn't think so.

Thought this thread might be about Tokyo Sonata.


/leaving disappointed

/okay, not really

take your generational generalizations and f*ck off
it's beyond retarded to label everyone born in the same years


El ChodeThe Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.


Are you for f*cking real?
Anybody else left to blame for your shiitty life?


/by the way i was born in 1962, technically the end of the BB's
//unemployed, broke and alone
///hope that doesn't f*ck you up too much

I hope they all get hand cancer so they have to wipe their ass with eachother's feet.

/not done with it yet.

I'm unemployed, having just been layed off for the second time in 6 months with 8 bucks in my checking account; so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/24
//drinking 32oz hurricanes tonight :)

SLinky-Griffith: I'm unemployed, having just been layed off for the second time in 6 months with 8 bucks in my checking account; so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/24
//drinking 32oz hurricanes tonight :)


8 bucks in your account, and you are here on fark ? you are moments from homeless dude. internet is a luxury you can't afford.

Count me in on that. 24 and have been searching for a job for about 4 months now. Almost all the people I call to follow up on my resume give me a curt "We're still reviewing resumes, bye." I love slaving over a hot grill and living at my fiancee's parents' house to pay for bills and my financial aid, which can't be consolidated now because they've been overwhelmed with consolidation requests.

Pure BS. What freaking fantasy world was this article talking about? I don't know many (perhaps any) "over 55's" who are jetting across the globe as they sip champagne. In fact, I do know many "over 55's" who are working just as hard as they were at 25 so they can pay the bills.

dbaggins: SLinky-Griffith: I'm unemployed, having just been layed off for the second time in 6 months with 8 bucks in my checking account; so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/24
//drinking 32oz hurricanes tonight :)


8 bucks in your account, and you are here on fark ? you are moments from homeless dude. internet is a luxury you can't afford.

Maybe he has stupid neighbors. That's how I got wireless for a couple years.

Excuse us. We've been working so hard to support our grown 30+ kids that I forgot how put upon you little 30- kids are. My husband, who almost died from a heart attack three years ago, works 50+ hours a week to make payments on two houses so our daughter and her family have some place to live since her husband got laid off right before Christmas. I was laid off from my job last year and haven't been able to find another one yet.

Two houses mind you that are now worth a lot less than we paid for them. I should tell the bank that we're baby boomers, so we won't have to pay the mortgages any more.

Oh and even with our great insurance we still spend around $500 a month for medicine and Doctors visits.

Yeah. We've got it made

LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

Either you pay shiat wage, are a shiat boss, or have shiat work or are shiat at screening applicants (or some admixture of the prior).

aybara: IrateShadow: wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

On the flip side, you have wages that haven't really risen since the 80's, and a corporate environment where everyone will be thrown out on their ass and replaced with temps to raise the company stock a few points. Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

I haven't had a raise of more than .5 to 1% in 3 years. My department is consistently operated with 60% of the bodies we need. We are constantly behind and asked to give 125% everyday. Simply because our CEO would rather burn us out rather than hire bodies.

That's why it's called "work", snowflake.

GreyArt: Excuse us. We've been working so hard to support our grown 30+ kids that I forgot how put upon you little 30- kids are. My husband, who almost died from a heart attack three years ago, works 50+ hours a week to make payments on two houses so our daughter and her family have some place to live since her husband got laid off right before Christmas. I was laid off from my job last year and haven't been able to find another one yet.

Two houses mind you that are now worth a lot less than we paid for them. I should tell the bank that we're baby boomers, so we won't have to pay the mortgages any more.

Oh and even with our great insurance we still spend around $500 a month for medicine and Doctors visits.

Yeah. We've got it made

So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something?

logruszed: LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

Either you pay shiat wage, are a shiat boss, or have shiat work or are shiat at screening applicants (or some admixture of the prior).

The last kitchen I worked for would literally hire people who could fill out an application almost right. The owner wondered why he kept getting shiatty workers and having all his good people leave.

GreyArt: Excuse us. We've been working so hard to support our grown 30+ kids that I forgot how put upon you little 30- kids are. My husband, who almost died from a heart attack three years ago, works 50+ hours a week to make payments on two houses so our daughter and her family have some place to live since her husband got laid off right before Christmas. I was laid off from my job last year and haven't been able to find another one yet.

Two houses mind you that are now worth a lot less than we paid for them. I should tell the bank that we're baby boomers, so we won't have to pay the mortgages any more.

Oh and even with our great insurance we still spend around $500 a month for medicine and Doctors visits.

Yeah. We've got it made

Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dear.

LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

I have to agree with you here. Even though I'm 27. I got a better job in order to not have to have roommates because they couldn't keep their menial jobs long enough to always have the rent, and there was no way I was going to save for a down payment if I had to keep bailing them out of trouble. Being well educated doesn't mean anything if you're still a lazy slob. Have fun in your crappy jobs for crappy money. I quit my job in December because of an ethics issue with my boss, and started a new job the first week of February with about a 25% salary increase. Tell me again how hard it is to find jobs when you're a good employee?

El Chode:
I cannot wait until they all die off.

Don't be a dipshiat. Don't begrudge them. They are a massive cohort of aging people with plenty of money.

What you should be doing is thinking of ways to exploit them.



brap: Bek: McFifenstein: Which brings us to the whole "we're entitled to have functioning boners till we're 85" thing.

My boner stops functioning at around 78 inches. After that it turns into one of those promotional balloon guys.

Sorry ladies.

Comedy Gold.

Mrstupid7:

The last kitchen I worked for would literally hire people who could fill out an application almost right, as soon as they handed the application in. The owner wondered why he kept getting shiatty workers and having all his good people leave.

omris: LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

I have to agree with you here. Even though I'm 27. I got a better job in order to not have to have roommates because they couldn't keep their menial jobs long enough to always have the rent, and there was no way I was going to save for a down payment if I had to keep bailing them out of trouble. Being well educated doesn't mean anything if you're still a lazy slob. Have fun in your crappy jobs for crappy money. I quit my job in December because of an ethics issue with my boss, and started a new job the first week of February with about a 25% salary increase. Tell me again how hard it is to find jobs when you're a good employee?

Being fresh out of college with no real experience, and competing with people who have 10-20 years of experience for relatively low-level jobs, dumbass.

This whole attitude that young people are worthless employees makes it very, very easy for those of us with some motivation to rise through merit. So thanks, worthless slacker peers and prejudiced boomers, you're doing some of us a solid.

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Don't have to RTFA, don't have to RTFT: obvious bullshiat.

IrateShadow: wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago. Chode seems to bear that out, what with everything apparently being someone else's fault.

On the flip side, you have wages that haven't really risen since the 80's, and a corporate environment where everyone will be thrown out on their ass and replaced with temps to raise the company stock a few points. Why bother being loyal for a system that isn't faithful itself?

One of the mos pervasive and insidious lies that the American worker has been sold as a "virtue" is the notion of "company loyalty". I resolve to show the same level of loyalty to my co-workers and employer as they demonstrate to me. If I see someone "let go" with no prior notice for anything other than gross misconduct then I feel relieved of providing notice should I choose to leave.

How many times have you seen someone do more work than they are required to, or off the clock work even, out of the misguided sense of loyalty? If I'm working for a valid profit-share then yes I'm all for it because it does benefit me directly; otherwise it is a scam (a notorious scam in the case of some well-known employers such as Wal-Mart) to understaff and overwork the few people they do keep on hand.

Am I missing something? Are we supposed to post something ironic in this thread?

We've already seen:
- people complaining about "how hard" work is
- baby boomers complaining about owning two houses

If these comments are real, then there's no hope. Stick a fork in it, cuz we're done.

Just my 2¢:

I am 55 years old. Technically, the end of the baby boom. I've spent the last 33 years working in an industry (manufacturing, specifically machining) that has been increasingly sent overseas. I have no debt, other than a mortgage for a $100K house that sitting on a $600K piece of land in the bay area of CA. I have never over-extended myself, credit wise. I have been able to live comfortabally, within my means.

Until I was laid off (1st time) before Memorial day, I have never asked for or received any govt. assistance.

When I look around at the havoc wrecked by the housing meltdown, I see people of all ages who bought into the idea that everything would be fine if you bought everything on credit. Buy the 1 million dollar house with a 0% ARM, re-finance in a couple of months and use the equity to spring for a couple of SUVs. Rinse and repeat. Before you blame the people who bought into it (yes, I will be bailing them out) you might want to look at the industry that sold it to them.

Before we blame any one generation for our current problems, we need to look at our history for the last 100 years that got us to this point. After all, the generation(s) after the "baby boomers" have been able to vote for the last 20 some years. Perhaps, instead of trying to pit one generation against another, we should look to pitting the "have nots" against the "haves"

We'll make an exception for the WWII Generation, but Boomers:

dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

therealpope: Pure BS. What freaking fantasy world was this article talking about? I don't know many (perhaps any) "over 55's" who are jetting across the globe as they sip champagne. In fact, I do know many "over 55's" who are working just as hard as they were at 25 so they can pay the bills.

My parents aren't. They are 59 and 60, paid off their mortgage about 10-12 years ago, spend a lot of time on their boat, and travel a lot. They took a trans-Atlantic cruise in April. Went to South Africa about 18 months ago. Looking forward to selling their house and buying a big boat when they retire. Let me tell you, most of the people who keep boats in that marina are over 50. Not seeing a lot of 30-40 somethings owning boats.

It didn't used to be like that, which is the point of the article, mostly. It used to be possible to pay off any debt you'd have, which would have been minimal, and save money with entry level jobs even while you start a family. Not so much now.

Plus, it's a survey of just over 2000 people. Your friends probably don't track with the population of the survey that closely.

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Shhhh, idiots are talking.

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're over 55 you're having the time of your life, but spare a thought to those under 25 who are cleaning your toilet - if they're lucky

Sorry, that was really, really annoying me.

GreyArt: We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one.

This is so good it has to be fattening!

UNC_Samurai [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-02 09:53:38 PM
I won't blame the baby boomers any more than I blame the young "conservatives" like myself that were fooled 15-20 years ago into buying into the Republican mindset lock, stock, and barrel. It's taken me 15 years to go from dyed-in-the-wool Republican to Libertarian to might-as-well-be-liberal, and it's been destructive right-wing policies that have made me and a number of reformed Republicans see the error of our ways. Are we, 30 years from now, to be blamed for the decade of despair?

Yeah? well just wait till you live through the upcoming depression/great inflation. That's gonna be a hoot. You might be nostalgic for the old days.

MrThingy: Just my 2¢:

I am 55 years old. Technically, the end of the baby boom. I've spent the last 33 years working in an industry (manufacturing, specifically machining) that has been increasingly sent overseas. I have no debt, other than a mortgage for a $100K house that sitting on a $600K piece of land in the bay area of CA. I have never over-extended myself, credit wise. I have been able to live comfortabally, within my means.

Until I was laid off (1st time) before Memorial day, I have never asked for or received any govt. assistance.

When I look around at the havoc wrecked by the housing meltdown, I see people of all ages who bought into the idea that everything would be fine if you bought everything on credit. Buy the 1 million dollar house with a 0% ARM, re-finance in a couple of months and use the equity to spring for a couple of SUVs. Rinse and repeat. Before you blame the people who bought into it (yes, I will be bailing them out) you might want to look at the industry that sold it to them.

Before we blame any one generation for our current problems, we need to look at our history for the last 100 years that got us to this point. After all, the generation(s) after the "baby boomers" have been able to vote for the last 20 some years. Perhaps, instead of trying to pit one generation against another, we should look to pitting the "have nots" against the "haves"

Well said, sir.

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// Blaming generations is dumb; I focus my ire on individuals...

The_Gallant_Gallstone: GreyArt: We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one.

This is so good it has to be fattening!

Why stop at just one?

Impudent Domain: Yeah? well just wait till you live through the upcoming depression/great inflation. That's gonna be a hoot. You might be nostalgic for the old days.

I'm looking forward to the emergence of extremist parties. If Communism and Fascism doesn't make comebacks, I'm going to be genuinely pissed off.

You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

They're also the ones that created everything around you, like the weeb and computers and stuff.

LaChanz: I'm sure you're justified, if at least in your own mind, about your hatred for boomers. I'm a small business owner and have to have help for my business. Every under 30 person I ever hire I have to either wake up every morning because they've either been up all night playing video games or drinking or they work 3 days and call in sick 2. If someone around 25 is cleaning toilets for a living I'm willing to bet they're doing a sucky job at it.

Fark off. Among my group of close friends I can count a PhD economist, a Director of Communications for a nonprofit, an entrepanuer, a partner in a media company, a couple of writers who have actually published, etc. And we all range from 24-32.

There are plenty of us who contribute. So fark you and your farking boomer arsehole compatriots who think younger generations are shiftless losers.

In fact the shiftless ones are probably that way because you raised them in faceless, vanilla, suburbia.

El Chode: You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

Ha ha... you waste your time trolling old people.

El Chode:
I cannot wait until they all die off.


Uh, now Chode, I want make sure that we get two coats of wax this time. Not just one.

dead_dangler: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

You know, someday, I'd like to own one house.

Mrstupid7:
Being fresh out of college with no real experience, and competing with people who have 10-20 years of experience for relatively low-level jobs, dumbass.

Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly? It doesn't take experience on the job to realize that being chronically late is bad for your employment, but I had a roommate get fired for repeated tardiness. The whole group of them were let go for various reasons including excessive absence, poor performance, and a really bad attitude. They also quit various jobs for reasons such as "I don't like it enough." I'm not making this crap up. And most of the issues really did stem from excessive drugs, alcohol, and video games. I like WoW. But when it comes to playing video games and partying or doing my job well, many people my age make what I would consider to be a poor choice. And then they wonder why they can't get or keep a decent job.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

/26

My initial thought on this was this sounds exactly like the inflated sense of entitlement present in a lot of Gen-Yers. It has been said that the flaws hated in others is usually a reflection on oneself, and that seems to apply, here.

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Oh, hush. People have more fun when they stereotype, group classify, and profile.

And anyway, it makes life more comfy for us Gen-Xers who are quietly and efficiently gearing up to take over the world, whilst the Millenials biatch at the Boomers.

Well, all of this sure is making me happy I'm in grad school for a minimum of 3 more years. Sure the take home is only about $17k a year, but it's pleasant and low stress. Kind of monastic, really. Maybe I'll make some money later, it is a biological sciences PhD program... if not, meh.

/25
//bonus: coeds!

omris: Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly?

Being inexperienced doesn't keep you from being a good employee... it just keeps you from getting hired in the first place.

Yes my pain is delicious. LOL

But we haven't walked away from our responsibilities and don't plan to. I couldn't stand the thought of my grandchildren living in the slums that they could afford on my daughters salary alone. We'll be ok. We always have been.

Things aren't always as shiny as they look from the other side.

For a great many people, every hour of life is hazardous and difficult.

/41
// Blaming generations is dumb; I focus my ire on individuals...

Don't blame individuals, blame policies. Individuals just took the opportunity and ran with it. For too long we have had policies whose attitude was "capitalism is good if we let it free". It should be obvious by now that that is not true.

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

You bought a the height of housing bubble that made rent outrageous for the rest of us. I hope the market corrects itself and all the people who bought overpriced houses lose them.

/Still looking for rural land with a well to buy that I can put solar panels on and shoot guns on. Hard to find in SoCal.

dead_dangler: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

I'm speechless. I truly don't know what to say to you.

because who thought it would be a good idea to send perfectly good jobs overseas?

/feeding the fire

GreyArt: Yes my pain is delicious. LOL

But we haven't walked away from our responsibilities and don't plan to. I couldn't stand the thought of my grandchildren living in the slums that they could afford on my daughters salary alone. We'll be ok. We always have been.

Things aren't always as shiny as they look from the other side.

The undeserved sense of entitlement and unwillingness to accept personal responsibility runs deep with this one...

aiiee: Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're granted privilege, even through inheritance, and you refuse to give up that privilege then you're still responsible for it.

"I didn't buy these slaves, my daddy left them to me." - Still a slave owner.

"I didn't invent the idea that a 4ton vehicle with an inefficient engine was badass. The culture I grew up in told me it was badass." - Still responsible for it.

"I didn't invent the idea that paying taxes was un-American!" - Yes, you did; at least you ignored how farking stupid that idea was.

The boomers are the first generation that thought it made sense to have material success while paying nothing for it. They were the people who thought having a war without a tax increase made sense, the people who knew they were buying manufactured goods from overseas and destroying the industrial base here in the U.S. But they were "entitled" to own a lot of shiat, three cars and a big ass T.V., etc.

I feel bad for the few people here who were shafted by their own avarice (machinists in particular), but at least they got to live it up a little bit in the 70's and some of the 80's before that completely fell to shiat under administrations that soft-sold them the idea that you can have it all. Big military and cheap imported goods and low taxes.

I mean WTF is the logic? Are they going to now say they couldn't do the farking math on that one?

Are all boomers assholes and morons? No, obvious. But enough of them are/were to fark it up for their kids in the long run.

The parents of the boomers were the last generation to actually make sacrifices as a rule. My generation (kid of boomers) wants to have huge cars, do coke, and own a ton of shiat we don't need but you farkasses blew it all, now we pretty much have to be a bunch of dirty hippies or learn Chinese and compete with 2,000,000,000 people for the chance to solder plasma T.V.s for the rest of our lives until we die of lead poisoning, or go on welfare.

♠

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

Just when I think I'm getting a handle on Fark, someone comes along and throws in a completely logical and reasonable statement.

Now I don't know which of us is posting to the wrong website.

Yes! I'm 25, I made it under the cutoff for once. Suck it grandpa!

*Guitar solo*

/That's what young people do these days, right? They tell the elderly to suck it and play air guitar on their graves... Right?

Wait till you see what happens when they've burnt through their retirement savings.

I am a baby boomer, and I am not having the time of my life.

In fact, I am damn scared for the future.

Young people these days figure they have a "right" to the basic necessities of life, a "right" to a job, a "right" to health care, and a "right" to be happy, et cetera ad mauseam.

I freely concede they learned a lot of that crap from us, but they should have known the people who told them that were full of it.

I not-so-fondly remember less than two years ago, people were flaming the hell out of me on FARK threads, saying crap like: "---screw you, dino! I just bought a 3,600 square-foot house for no money down at only[sic] $750,000 at 2.9% for 30 years, what could possibly go wrong?"

My short answer is: Freak near everything.

Your $750 K House might be worth $300K on paper, but yoyu would be lucky to get $200 K in a distress sale, but you still owe $730 K against it, your $900 mortgage payments have ballooned to $2600 because you didn't read the fine print, the City and County are still taxing it like it was worth $900 K because they need the money, and you voted for Obama thinking he would make life better for the common people, but so far all he has done is give $50 billion of your tax money to the bank which holds your mortgage---but not one red cent to you.

Wish you a lot of luck getting out of that mess.

Now after eight years of hating Bush (whom I concede was not that good) Obama gets elected promising everything to everybody, with no strings attached; "---everything will be fine, all that I need is just a little more power!"

Been there.

Got done by that.

No thank you.

From TFA: And while their parents are more likely to be active in the community and travel abroad, under-25s are the least likely to be in a satisfying relationship or to have a nice home of their own.

And why is this? It's because THEY HAVE NO FARKING MONEY, and they little money they do have will be paying off student loans UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

/tail end boomer, beginning Xer
//whateverdafarker

GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

Well that's a little different than what your original post lead on.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: omris: Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly?

Being inexperienced doesn't keep you from being a good employee... it just keeps you from getting hired in the first place.

Fair enough. But I will tell you that doing even a bad job well will help you out in the meantime. If you have to take a job at McDonalds while you look for something entry level in your field, it is in your best interests not to get fired from McDonalds. The percentage of people who couldn't get ANY job is pretty damn small. I worked multiple menial jobs to pay for grad school applications, and the contacts and references are useful. A lot of people shoot themselves in the foot by screwing up even the simplest of jobs.

LockeOak: Well, all of this sure is making me happy I'm in grad school for a minimum of 3 more years. Sure the take home is only about $17k a year, but it's pleasant and low stress. Kind of monastic, really. Maybe I'll make some money later, it is a biological sciences PhD program... if not, meh.

/25
//bonus: coeds!

You and me both, brother! Jumped back into grad school last year. Not bringing in $17k, more like $8k cash--but waived $8k in fees,too. Not pleasant, but no stress whatsoever.

/49
//double bonus: coeds!
///what? you can't afford another D?
///slashies lead to orgasmic goodness

El Chode: You old folk are so easy to troll, probably because you're not that smart since you think the internets are still powered by magic.

The generation we're supposed to "respect" are the same ones most likely to fall for a Nigerian scam.

PfizerX: That's what young people do these days, right? They tell the elderly to suck it and play air guitar on their graves... Right?

No air guitar... too early 90s.

Instead light a Parliament and drain that PBR over their LEEDS-Green-Certified tomb. Show your disdain by listening to Interpol on your iPod during the viewing service.

And don't forget to ask if the eggs are organic and the funereal luncheon.

El Chode: The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

I've worked with people of my generation and baby boomers. I can tell you without hesitation I'd rather work with someone 55 than work with someone who is 25. Not even for once second. Boomers aren't perfect, but most didn't grow up with a car, a vcr in their room, and live with their folks for years to soak off them instead of striking out on their own.

The biggest crime the boomers committed as assuming that their parents generation didn't know shiat and that the boomers knew how everything should go. I give them a free pass on it, since it seems to be the crime of nearly every generation.

But one thing you should consider. You've never know a real energy crisis and never known the fear of being drafted. You've also never seen a real nuclear war about to start. Until you have a little more experience, I'd suggest you STFU.

Also, if you have been working more than 4 years and don't have 6 months savings for an emergency, than you farked up and have no one to blame but yourself. When everyone else was buying new cars, getting bigger apartments and outfitting their places with new furniture post graduation, I was busting my ass at Sam's stocking shelves on nights and weekends after my primary job at a large institutional bank.

So when the layoff's started, I knew if I was let go that I could make it 6 months with no out side assistance and no real change in lifestyle. I also know I could go 10 months with severe restrictions.

I'm watching Survivorman, and I'm getting a kick strange feeling out of these replies.

Elvis_Pelt: /49
//double bonus: coeds!
///what? you can't afford another D?

I believe you.

You do sound like that slimy TA with the comeover that would adjust grades for the hot braindead undergrads that are willing to spend 10 minutes with you.

olddinosaur: I freely concede they learned a lot of that crap from us, but they should have known the people who told them that were full of it.

It'll be fun.

logruszed: aiiee: Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're granted privilege, even through inheritance, and you refuse to give up that privilege then you're still responsible for it.

"I didn't buy these slaves, my daddy left them to me." - Still a slave owner.

"I didn't invent the idea that a 4ton vehicle with an inefficient engine was badass. The culture I grew up in told me it was badass." - Still responsible for it.

"I didn't invent the idea that paying taxes was un-American!" - Yes, you did; at least you ignored how farking stupid that idea was.

The boomers are the first generation that thought it made sense to have material success while paying nothing for it. They were the people who thought having a war without a tax increase made sense, the people who knew they were buying manufactured goods from overseas and destroying the industrial base here in the U.S. But they were "entitled" to own a lot of shiat, three cars and a big ass T.V., etc.

I feel bad for the few people here who were shafted by their own avarice (machinists in particular), but at least they got to live it up a little bit in the 70's and some of the 80's before that completely fell to shiat under administrations that soft-sold them the idea that you can have it all. Big military and cheap imported goods and low taxes.

I mean WTF is the logic? Are they going to now say they couldn't do the farking math on that one?

Are all boomers assholes and morons? No, obvious. But enough of them are/were to fark it up for their kids in the long run.

The parents of the boomers were the last generation to actually make sacrifices as a rule. My generation (kid of boomers) wants to have huge cars, do coke, and own a ton of shiat we don't need but you farkasses blew it all, now we pretty much have to be a bunch of dirty hippies or learn Chinese and compete with 2,000,000,000 people for the chance to solder plasma T.V.s for the rest of our lives until we die of lead poisoning, or go on welfare.

♠

yeah. Keep on believing that and you'll be ripe when the next scam wave drowns you. It's just like Gully Foyle blaming the space ship "Vorga!" for leaving him to die in space. It's STUPID son, you're gonna get raped.

aiiee: It's STUPID son, you're gonna get raped.

The "son" was a nice touch dawg... made me all nostalgic for that late 90s rap scene G.

I'm here to blame everything on my parents. Is this the right thread?

I'm 40 years old so I was born late enough that I'll never be responsible for anything, and the whole purpose of my existence is whining like a little biatch about how life isn't fair.

here's my theory:

Greatest generation lived through the tough years, figured out who was a leader, sucked it up.

Boomers were taught a "work ethic" by their parents, but resent it, and really just want everyone to love them. Managed to delude themselves into the cheap credit fiasco and "equality for all" because they never lived through the tough years and think life can be fuzzy and warm for everybody with no consequences.

Echo Boom (my generation) has had our society warped by a lonely Boomer generation who knows how to work hard, but oddly doesn't have any appreciation for it, or respect for it. We are now dealing with the fact that those of us who actually do work our asses off don't get credit for it, because the 'tard boomers who are our bosses don't really give a rats ass about hard work, just who makes them feel good about themselves.

I looking forward to a LONG depression, where those of us who work like hell get to see the rest of our peers suffer when no one is there to hold their hands any more.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: You do sound like that slimy TA with the comeover that would adjust grades for the hot braindead undergrads that are willing to spend 10 minutes with you.

Bald, baby, bald. And, as far as I know, no "braindead" students have been admitted to my fair institution of higher learning.

/schwing

logruszed: aiiee: Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're granted privilege, even through inheritance, and you refuse to give up that privilege then you're still responsible for it.

"I didn't buy these slaves, my daddy left them to me." - Still a slave owner.

"I didn't invent the idea that a 4ton vehicle with an inefficient engine was badass. The culture I grew up in told me it was badass." - Still responsible for it.

"I didn't invent the idea that paying taxes was un-American!" - Yes, you did; at least you ignored how farking stupid that idea was.



Hitler would love you btw, as would Coleman Young, Kwame Kilpatrick and every other desport that pandered to the ignorance, hate, and self-pitty of their constituencies. sucka.

I'd say the smart thing at this point is to get a government job that you can stay in forever, with a guaranteed pension and awesome benefits. Those are the people I see sitting fat and happy right now.

Looking at most other people? Unless you have a number of millions of dollars or are VERY smart, lucky or own a successful business, it's not looking too good. Not at all. I worry that we could really start seeing another slide in the economy. People are *really* hurting, even the ones making six figures.

I don't know what to say about the boomers. Nixon sold us down the river and his policies have frakked over pretty much everything else since then. The American people never did anything to fix it.

Maybe this will prove to be a big enough economic shock that people will wake up and start making more sustainable economic choices.

desport?

Quantum Apostrophe
They're also the ones that created everything around you, like the web and computers and stuff.

Sorry, but no. Dr. Douglas C. Engelbart (born January 30, 1925) set much of the groundwork for the modern PC. Joseph Carl Robnett Licklider (March 11, 1915 - June 26, 1990) was quite important as well. Yes, the shaping of the modern stuff is more Boomer territory, but you can't start a journey without the first step.

Ankah: I looking forward to a LONG depression, where those of us who work like hell get to see the rest of our peers suffer when no one is there to hold their hands any more.

I predict that in the coming years, those that are willing to work like hell will be successful.

Our time has finally come.

omris: The_Gallant_Gallstone: omris: Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly?

Being inexperienced doesn't keep you from being a good employee... it just keeps you from getting hired in the first place.

Fair enough. But I will tell you that doing even a bad job well will help you out in the meantime. If you have to take a job at McDonalds while you look for something entry level in your field, it is in your best interests not to get fired from McDonalds. The percentage of people who couldn't get ANY job is pretty damn small. I worked multiple menial jobs to pay for grad school applications, and the contacts and references are useful. A lot of people shoot themselves in the foot by screwing up even the simplest of jobs.

You got that right.

I had a typical bipolar's patchwork resume for the first 17 years of my life (I quit jobs when I'm manic; I can't get jobs when I'm depressed); but because I always kept working, now that I'm finally on the level, I'm doing OK because I don't have a lot of terminations on my back, AND because I don't have a lot of pissed-off former bosses behind me. Sure, they were low-paying, low-level jobs, but I did them well.

And guess what, kiddies? Even Los Angeles is a small town when you're talking career-hunting. One bad reference can kill you.

suck it youngsters.


and stay off my lawn!

Dripdry: Nixon sold us down the river and his policies have frakked over pretty much everything else since then.

Damn... you hold a grudge on this whole Nixon thing... did he break into your hotel room at the Watergate by mistake or something.

dead_dangler: I predict that in the coming years, those that are willing to work like hell will be successful.

What, just like it's always been?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: PfizerX: That's what young people do these days, right? They tell the elderly to suck it and play air guitar on their graves... Right?

No air guitar... too early 90s.

Instead light a Parliament and drain that PBR over their LEEDS-Green-Certified tomb. Show your disdain by listening to Interpol on your iPod during the viewing service.

And don't forget to ask if the eggs are organic and the funereal luncheon.

Jesus Christ... Is it too late to eat the young?

/La Resistance!

costermonger: This whole attitude that young people are worthless employees makes it very, very easy for those of us with some motivation to rise through merit. So thanks, worthless slacker peers and prejudiced boomers, you're doing some of us a solid.

/24

This

But I might add that the sense of entitlement does exist among our forebears, especially when it comes to ye olde office job. Even if we're motivated enough, it's tough to get one up on that fat-arse blob in the office who sucks up to the boss and continually reminds cohorts of how integral her - or his - work is to the company.

/28
//Venting, enjoyed it.

olddinosaur: I am a baby boomer, and I am not having the time of my life.

In fact, I am damn scared for the future.

Young people these days figure they have a "right" to the basic necessities of life, a "right" to a job, a "right" to health care, and a "right" to be happy, et cetera ad mauseam.

I freely concede they learned a lot of that crap from us, but they should have known the people who told them that were full of it.

I not-so-fondly remember less than two years ago, people were flaming the hell out of me on FARK threads, saying crap like: "---screw you, dino! I just bought a 3,600 square-foot house for no money down at only[sic] $750,000 at 2.9% for 30 years, what could possibly go wrong?"

My short answer is: Freak near everything.

Your $750 K House might be worth $300K on paper, but yoyu would be lucky to get $200 K in a distress sale, but you still owe $730 K against it, your $900 mortgage payments have ballooned to $2600 because you didn't read the fine print, the City and County are still taxing it like it was worth $900 K because they need the money, and you voted for Obama thinking he would make life better for the common people, but so far all he has done is give $50 billion of your tax money to the bank which holds your mortgage---but not one red cent to you.

Wish you a lot of luck getting out of that mess.

Now after eight years of hating Bush (whom I concede was not that good) Obama gets elected promising everything to everybody, with no strings attached; "---everything will be fine, all that I need is just a little more power!"

Been there.

Got done by that.

No thank you.

Oh okay. It's our fault that you farked up. OUR BAD.

aiiee: logruszed: aiiee: Boomers may have been the last generation to enjoy post-war prosperity before Dick Nixon and the other chinese dick fellaters gave all our wealth away. that doesn't mean the boomers did it tardos.

If you're granted privilege, even through inheritance, and you refuse to give up that privilege then you're still responsible for it.

"I didn't buy these slaves, my daddy left them to me." - Still a slave owner.

"I didn't invent the idea that a 4ton vehicle with an inefficient engine was badass. The culture I grew up in told me it was badass." - Still responsible for it.

"I didn't invent the idea that paying taxes was un-American!" - Yes, you did; at least you ignored how farking stupid that idea was.



Hitler would love you btw, as would Coleman Young, Kwame Kilpatrick and every other desport that pandered to the ignorance, hate, and self-pitty of their constituencies. sucka.

you left out Ike, who knew that things like war were expensive and raised taxes accordingly. And associationg Young with a fascist and a thug either makes you a moron or a farking coont.

wee: I've seen a few exceptions, but pretty much this. That or they just stop showing up for work. I think personal responsibility went out the window about 15-20 years ago.

"Personal responsibility" didn't "go out the window", it was pushed. The day that 20- and 30-somethings started to see their boomer parents, people who slaved away for them and their families at corporations for 20, 30 years or more get shiatcanned after some 25 year old MBA yuppie shiatstain decided that the best way for the corporation's stock price to go up was to get rid of all the people who might retire soon... that's the day it went.

They know there is no more company loyalty for any one ever again, and plan their lives accordingly. Why should they give a rolling rat's ass about you or your business, slaving away to make you money, giving you any more of that precious of commodities than necessary - time - when they know that they'll never be appreciated for it? This is the world in which they were spawned... all for me and fark all o' y'all.

I really don't blame them for not wanting to fall into that trap.

dead_dangler: Ankah: I looking forward to a LONG depression, where those of us who work like hell get to see the rest of our peers suffer when no one is there to hold their hands any more.

I predict that in the coming years, those that are willing to work like hell will be successful.

Our time has finally come.

Hells yeah. Bring on the sh*tty economy. Lets find out who actually learned something in school, and who just went for the beer on daddy's dollar.

dameron: El Chode

I cannot wait until they all die off.

I've got an idea...



but you'd probably run.

i.c. what you did there.
damn good idea.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Damn... you hold a grudge on this whole Nixon thing... did he break into your hotel room at the Watergate by mistake or something.

Nixon is the boogie men for people who don't actually know anything about the NIxon presidency.

paygun: dead_dangler: I predict that in the coming years, those that are willing to work like hell will be successful.

What, just like it's always been?



Disagrees.

logruszed: And associationg Young with a fascist and a thug either makes you a moron or a farking coont.

ow, cut down! I was there. Coleman was a master at working the voters into 'hate whitey at any cost' frenzy, yes just like Hitler did with the down and out ignorant self-pitying voters. sound familiar?

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Dripdry: Nixon sold us down the river and his policies have frakked over pretty much everything else since then.

Damn... you hold a grudge on this whole Nixon thing... did he break into your hotel room at the Watergate by mistake or something.

nah, but if you look back his administration's "helpers' they're same ones running much of the show now, and they trained the likes of Rove to ensure that their policies would remain strong. They're really done everything they can to make huge piles of cash for themselves at the expense of pretty much everybody.

I'm also a big Hunter Thompson fan, which does it as well, but why let people forget who started so much of this? Tricky Dickie himself.

Yep, life if sweet for me and mine. Just got back from two weeks on the Amalfi coast in Italy (flew first class British Air). Leased a private villa overlooking beautiful Positano with side trips to Capri, Pompeii, Florence and wonderful Montalcino (great Brunello wine there).

The secret?!? It was all GIVEN to me! No foolin'! A guy from the super secret Society for the Preservation of Boomer Opulent Lifestyle dropped a cool 10 large in my hand a year ago and told me to, "go on -- spend it on something nice". Nah, didn't earn it at all -- no 50 hour weeks in crap dead end jobs in my early 20s selling beauty supplies to barbers and hair dressers, no working 7 days a week at a car lot in my late 20s to feed my family and pay for an advanced degree from a local college. No Carter Administration with 17% mortgage interest rates to worry about, it was SO EASY even a dope like me could get lucky simply because of my Boomerality.

/still work 50 hour work weeks
//very thankful for frequent flier miles in great abundance (didn't have to earn those, either)
///live well now but not so much 20 or 30 years ago
////all y'all can get there too, but it takes a bit of luck and a lot of hard work
//an elderly 51 3/4

Baby Boomers are the selfish assholes that ruined everything for everybody.

There, I said it.

Assholes.

Ankah: Disagrees.

Well, you have a point there. One heiress to a fortune negates everyone else on the planet.

Let me guess, because she's rich and had everything handed to her, that's evidence that you can never get ahead so you might as well lay on your ass because the whole system is rigged.

this thread's real topic of argument ....

Great Metal Jesus: Blaming an entire generation of people for anything is farking retarded. They're not some monolithic hive-mind or a secret society. All boomers aren't evil, greedy f*cks who masturbate to the idea of bleeding the planet dry and all youngsters aren't shiftless slobs who've never worked a day in their lives.

As a middle-ged Gen-Xer, I'm getting a kick out of the fireworks. Fark all of you Boomers and Me-llennials.

/We don't need no water, let the motherfarker burn

novent939: this thread's real topic of argument ....

You forgot a "rich old people owe me a living" picture, but I don't know how to depict that other than the Paris Hilton picture posted above.

paygun: Ankah: Disagrees.

Well, you have a point there. One heiress to a fortune negates everyone else on the planet.

Sadly yes. :(

Dripdry:

Nixon sold us down the river and his policies have frakked over pretty much everything else since then. The American people never did anything to fix it.




Yes! so much this. Why is it nobody remembers Dicky going to "Open up China" yeah, opened up something all right, he opened up his wallet, and once it was obvious he got away with it, every slime ball politician since then has gotten their asses into the trough as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Yeah Boomers did that. VOTERS did that, ignorant, easily led dumbass voters.

Ankah: Sadly yes. :(

Why aren't you embarrassed to say things like that? That's pathetic.

aiiee: logruszed: And associationg Young with a fascist and a thug either makes you a moron or a farking coont.

ow, cut down! I was there. Coleman was a master at working the voters into 'hate whitey at any cost' frenzy, yes just like Hitler did with the down and out ignorant self-pitying voters. sound familiar?

Just how many LaRouche stickers do you have on your car? Every time a black man is popular with the lower/working class some fark stick comes along and compares him to Hitler.

Hey, how about comparing Reagan to Hitler for being popular, what about Shrub Jr? Giuliani?

Where exactly is your "gentleman's outdoor club" located in the upper-peninsula, anyway? And how long have you been friends with the Nichols family?

LordZorch: Look, I didn't make them get a degree in art history, OK? Just mow my farking lawn and fetch me a bag of cheeseburgers...

Scarily enough, it doesn't matter what degree you graduate with right now. I know quite a few reputable civil and industrial engineering graduates who still haven't found full-time jobs since last spring.

Even worse, those graduates that do find jobs are replacing experienced, middle-aged engineers so that firms don't have to pay for pensions.

/fark this shiat, I'm hiking to the wilderness and never coming back

paygun: dead_dangler: I predict that in the coming years, those that are willing to work like hell will be successful.

What, just like it's always been?

Yes, except with none of the distractions caused by people pretending they're rich and buying everything on credit. I'd write more, but it's time to get my nose back to the grindstone.

omris: Mrstupid7:
Being fresh out of college with no real experience, and competing with people who have 10-20 years of experience for relatively low-level jobs, dumbass.

Being inexperienced and having competition keeps people my age from being good employees how exactly? It doesn't take experience on the job to realize that being chronically late is bad for your employment, but I had a roommate get fired for repeated tardiness. The whole group of them were let go for various reasons including excessive absence, poor performance, and a really bad attitude. They also quit various jobs for reasons such as "I don't like it enough." I'm not making this crap up. And most of the issues really did stem from excessive drugs, alcohol, and video games. I like WoW. But when it comes to playing video games and partying or doing my job well, many people my age make what I would consider to be a poor choice. And then they wonder why they can't get or keep a decent job.

Man, that must be why I cannot find a job. I didn't know that I was secretly lazy.

Articles like this make me feel so lucky to have a decent job. It's stressful and difficult but that's why they call it work, right? It's allowed me to buy a new home this past week so I can get my hands on some of those Obama bucks. Any of you broke gen y ers need a room I got one for rent, 400 all bills paid. It's in SE Austin or what I call suburban Mexico.

/26

Please don't give up on the gen Y just yet. There are a select few that have decent parents that raised them with respect and knowledge that money doesn't grow on trees.

and please realize that we get sick and tired of being lumped in with the assholes who are lazy and disrespectful.

/on the literal ass-end of gen x, but gets lumped in with the Y's. being born in 1980 sucks sometimes!

Ankah: here's my theory:

Greatest generation lived through the tough years, figured out who was a leader, sucked it up.

Boomers were taught a "work ethic" by their parents, but resent it, and really just want everyone to love them. Managed to delude themselves into the cheap credit fiasco and "equality for all" because they never lived through the tough years and think life can be fuzzy and warm for everybody with no consequences.

Echo Boom (my generation) has had our society warped by a lonely Boomer generation who knows how to work hard, but oddly doesn't have any appreciation for it, or respect for it. We are now dealing with the fact that those of us who actually do work our asses off don't get credit for it, because the 'tard boomers who are our bosses don't really give a rats ass about hard work, just who makes them feel good about themselves.

I looking forward to a LONG depression, where those of us who work like hell get to see the rest of our peers suffer when no one is there to hold their hands any more.

I looking forward to a long depression, too. And the end of easy credit which causes inflation. It's about time.

I just wish parents and schools taught more about self-reliance.

/Get off my land old folks and stop paving over springs and water sources in SoCal.

Mrstupid7: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM


Are you seriously complaining when you've got two houses??? You poor dea

Did you miss the part where they are worth a lot less than we paid for them. You want one? Come and get it. Just take over payments and you can have one of them. Or both actually.

Mrstupid7


So you bought a freaking house? Were there no places for rent or something


We had one house. Then my husbands job sent us overseas and our daughter and her family moved in. We got back from overseas and didn't want to live with them and couldn't throw them out so we bought another one. We thought it would be a good investment.

Well that's a little different than what your original post lead on.

Disregard this comment. I somehow missed the second to last sentence.

spaten: I just wish parents and schools taught more about self-reliance.

The irony... is delicious!

HEY GUYS IM SO LUCKY I HAVE A JOB AND WORK

My boss makes sure I am at my desk 8:00 every morning. They check in on me. If I am not sitting down in time, I get a demerit.

I call up my boss and tell him I am going on vacation and that I am sick. They like to know where I am and what I am doing.

Every day (if I'm lucky and not busy)I get to leave my chair for lunch. I drive in my car and eat cheeseburgers or tacos.

I sit my big belly behind my desk 8+ hours a day and type type type and think.

But I'm very successful because I go on a cruise once a year.

Being a sedentary rock is difficult.

toraque:
You know, someday, I'd like to own one house.

That day will come, as soon as all the dickbags that bought second houses as an "investment" lose them to foreclosure. Artificial demand did wonders for housing appreciation. Until it didn't. Now they're trying to sell at somewhere near the insane price they paid, or becoming amateur landlords and watching their property trashed by deadbeat renters, or sitting empty because they are holding out for enough rent to make the mortgage.

It'll be a few years until they're all busted, but I can wait. Meanwhile, watching the smug turn to horror and desperation is amusing.

Fear not younglings, your day is coming. Don't let them bullshiat you into signing your life away.

spaten: We'll make an exception for the WWII Generation, but Boomers:

Super! Great use of a boomer-directed movie to make a pointless!

AmazingRuss:
Fear not younglings, your day is coming. Don't let them bullshiat you into signing your life away.

I'm 27 and currently unemployed.

Guess what? I don't own a home. But I did pay off my car and student loans.

Living debt free is awesome. Just have to pay the damn rent and iPhone bill.

Your home is a weight that keeps you working a job you hate.

I find it funny...the steel mill I work at had a big hiring spree 3 years ago...the average age of the new hires ended up being 50. You little boys and girls are too good to get dirty for an 80k a year job with insane benefits, a real pension(not a 401k that you all think you'll be retiring on), tons of holidays, etc. So keep on whining, and wait for your big office job



/33
//get off my big-ass farkin' lawn

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The world needs ditchdiggers too.

Mrstupid7: Count me in on that. 24 and have been searching for a job for about 4 months now. Almost all the people I call to follow up on my resume give me a curt "We're still reviewing resumes, bye." I love slaving over a hot grill and living at my fiancee's parents' house to pay for bills and my financial aid, which can't be consolidated now because they've been overwhelmed with consolidation requests.

I've got a friend who is fresh out of college with a specialized degree in law enforcement and has been trying to get into the state police. He passed the exams in several local locations, the last time with the 4th highest score...

and was passed over every time.

I'm working at a white collar firm as a "summer intern" making less than decent money on an hourly wage, with no provided healthcare (using leftover COBRA from a sales job which I was laid off), with the presumed assumption that I will be leaving "sometime in the fall" (was not given a firm "end date") because I mentioned to my reference inside the company that I was maybe looking into grad school due to the economy. Additional uncertainty due to the CEO's mandated hiring freeze. I generally like the place that I work. I consider myself lucky.

At the moment, I'm working my ass off to try to prove my worth so I might get hired on as full-time, but I'm expecting sour grapes.

/24
//When push comes to shove this fall, I know I'm going to be shoving off.

Conservationist: El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

And they're just about all liberals.

I don't know man, Bush is one of them, elected by them, and either way they've taxed the ever living shiat out of the younger generations.

The only reason that a lot of young folk live at home is because half their money goes to supporting their 30 prescriptions, full pensions, and the lot of them that decided social security was a retirement program.

Now they're just cranky because how dare they be criticized, we owe them for stuff and whatnot.

GonadtheBarbarian: I find it funny...the steel mill I work at had a big hiring spree 3 years ago...the average age of the new hires ended up being 50. You little boys and girls are too good to get dirty for an 80k a year job with insane benefits, a real pension(not a 401k that you all think you'll be retiring on), tons of holidays, etc. So keep on whining, and wait for your big office job



/33
//get off my big-ass farkin' lawn

Maybe they just liked hiring people with experience.

JK_Huysmans: Mrstupid7: Count me in on that. 24 and have been searching for a job for about 4 months now. Almost all the people I call to follow up on my resume give me a curt "We're still reviewing resumes, bye." I love slaving over a hot grill and living at my fiancee's parents' house to pay for bills and my financial aid, which can't be consolidated now because they've been overwhelmed with consolidation requests.

I've got a friend who is fresh out of college with a specialized degree in law enforcement and has been trying to get into the state police. He passed the exams in several local locations, the last time with the 4th highest score...

and was passed over every time.

I'm working at a white collar firm as a "summer intern" making less than decent money on an hourly wage, with no provided healthcare (using leftover COBRA from a sales job which I was laid off), with the presumed assumption that I will be leaving "sometime in the fall" (was not given a firm "end date") because I mentioned to my reference inside the company that I was maybe looking into grad school due to the economy. Additional uncertainty due to the CEO's mandated hiring freeze. I generally like the place that I work. I consider myself lucky.

At the moment, I'm working my ass off to try to prove my worth so I might get hired on as full-time, but I'm expecting sour grapes.

/24
//When push comes to shove this fall, I know I'm going to be shoving off.

Be glad you got that internship. Now the paid internships that I've applied to have their pick of the insanely large litter.

No...from talking with the nurses at the dispensary there, there were few young people applying, and the ones that did couldn't stop taking drugs long enough to get a job. I didn't know shiat about working in a mill. I was a tool and die maker for 10 years.

You Generation-Y'ers needs to stop having panic attacks and go get another tattoo or nipple piercing. Generation-X is quietly infiltrating the corporate and government power structures.

Very soon you will be able to smoke pot legally and wear jeans at work without being hassled. Please be patient.

When we gain control, all we ask is that you please show up to work on time and for fark's sake do not allow your parents call us if you get passed up for a promotion. Because if you do ... we will send them a link to your blog.

-Cheers

Hey DaShredda, you're a farking hater. Intelligent people who are independently minded still exist in the world. Don't think we're all mindless drones. Just because someone has a job and owns a home doesn't make them a cow or a slave.

GonadtheBarbarian: No...from talking with the nurses at the dispensary there, there were few young people applying, and the ones that did couldn't stop taking drugs long enough to get a job. I didn't know shiat about working in a mill. I was a tool and die maker for 10 years.

This was also three years ago. The times are *slightly* different.

niknatas: You Generation-Y'ers needs to stop having panic attacks and go get another tattoo or nipple piercing. Generation-X is quietly infiltrating the corporate and government power structures.

Very soon you will be able to smoke pot legally and wear jeans at work without being hassled. Please be patient.

When we gain control, all we ask is that you please show up to work on time and for fark's sake do not allow your parents call us if you get passed up for a promotion. Because if you do ... we will send them a link to your blog.

-Cheers

I already have generation Xers telling me what to do at my job and they are farking biatches. If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it. Worst work ethic I've ever seen at any job.

DaShredda: Your home is a weight that keeps you working a job you hate a place to live in.

FTFY.

HAHA!

No way young suckers!

Now go get me my FRIES!

I'll need them when I'm done with my day-long, everyday romp of fun activities.

Mrstupid7: GonadtheBarbarian: No...from talking with the nurses at the dispensary there, there were few young people applying, and the ones that did couldn't stop taking drugs long enough to get a job. I didn't know shiat about working in a mill. I was a tool and die maker for 10 years.

This was also three years ago. The times are *slightly* different.

Well, I'm not so sure that matters in this case. The company is dumping over a billion dollars into that plant between now and 2011. With 1100 employees, and about 400 eligible to retire right now, with another 200 coming up...who's gonna run the place? My guess? Another crop of 40-50 year olds.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

WAHHH!!!! WAHHHHH!

Little crybaby!

Don't you have some homework to do or something up in your room?

...oh, and your music SUCKS too!

Hertzfeld: But I might add that the sense of entitlement does exist among our forebears, especially when it comes to ye olde office job. Even if we're motivated enough, it's tough to get one up on that fat-arse blob in the office who sucks up to the boss and continually reminds cohorts of how integral her - or his - work is to the company.

/28
//Venting, enjoyed it.

I work in a company that nobody works in for long. We've got one guy who's been here 25 years, one guy 15, and everybody else is 10 or less. Despite having no real long term prospects at this company, turnover has it's benefits.

Mrstupid7:
Man, that must be why I cannot find a job. I didn't know that I was secretly lazy.

Quit taking a general statement so personally, man. But you do prove my point a little. You have a job, and I suspect that you don't plan on getting fired from it for showing up late and hungover too frequently. It's not the most fun you could be having right now, but in a few years, your references will be worth it. You and I are still in the minority in my experience.

Smartassshanna: Please don't give up on the gen Y just yet. There are a select few that have decent parents that raised them with respect and knowledge that money doesn't grow on trees.

and please realize that we get sick and tired of being lumped in with the assholes who are lazy and disrespectful.

Please for the everloving Christ someone listen to this man. Stop reading the damn troll articles written by fogies entitled "Gen Y Are Impossible to Employ 'cause They Are Losers."

AmazingRuss: It'll be a few years until they're all busted, but I can wait. Meanwhile, watching the smug turn to horror and desperation is amusing.

Fear not younglings, your day is coming. Don't let them bullshiat you into signing your life away.

You sir made my day. Can you make it come any faster?

GonadtheBarbarian: the steel mill I work at had a big hiring spree 3 years ago

Do you work at steel mills on Great Lakes or the East Coast? From the info I can find, most the mills on LMichigan are running at less than half capacity and are desperately trying not to lay off skilled workers that will be difficult to replace.

That hiring binge will work out real well when the mills finally have to lay people off... for those already laid off.

omris: It's not the most fun you could be having right now, but in a few years, your references will be worth it. You and I are still in the minority in my experience.

It's not that I don't care about references and networking... I do, I'm just hitching my wagon to the various socialist and revolutionary movements throughout the country, not my company which will be going bankrupt and unavailable to provide references anyway.

JK_Huysmans: Smartassshanna: Please don't give up on the gen Y just yet. There are a select few that have decent parents that raised them with respect and knowledge that money doesn't grow on trees.

and please realize that we get sick and tired of being lumped in with the assholes who are lazy and disrespectful.

Please for the everloving Christ someone listen to this man. Stop reading the damn troll articles written by fogies entitled "Gen Y Are Impossible to Employ 'cause They Are Losers."

AmazingRuss: It'll be a few years until they're all busted, but I can wait. Meanwhile, watching the smug turn to horror and desperation is amusing.

Fear not younglings, your day is coming. Don't let them bullshiat you into signing your life away.

You sir made my day. Can you make it come any faster?

GonadtheBarbarian: the steel mill I work at had a big hiring spree 3 years ago

Do you work at steel mills on Great Lakes or the East Coast? From the info I can find, most the mills on LMichigan are running at less than half capacity and are desperately trying not to lay off skilled workers that will be difficult to replace.

That hiring binge will work out real well when the mills finally have to lay people off... for those already laid off.


Well, I'm not a masters degree holding farker, but my feeble mind tells me that if a company is investing 1 BILLION dollars in a strip mill, they fully intend to make some farkin money from it. Although I will say my company doesn't make carbon steel, we're more stainless and exotic alloys.

valencia: If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it.

Huh? Work ethics apply to a job, a job implies pay. Can you clarify this?

People doing unpaid work benefits the employer while harming the fellow worker as it trains both parties that the work they do is not valued. If I can get you to do work for free then why would I hire people to do it, or pay you to do it?

omris: Mrstupid7:
Man, that must be why I cannot find a job. I didn't know that I was secretly lazy.

Quit taking a general statement so personally, man. But you do prove my point a little. You have a job, and I suspect that you don't plan on getting fired from it for showing up late and hungover too frequently. It's not the most fun you could be having right now, but in a few years, your references will be worth it. You and I are still in the minority in my experience.

Sorry, but I'm a bit sore from being glossed over so easily EVERY farkING DAY. It's just so frustrating to have people treat you like trash because you're not in your thirties and have ten years of experience. I actually had a person laugh at me over the phone because I only had two years of experience in an independent studies class with a GC/MS instrument. She told me it didn't count because I was in school even though I was setting up the parameters myself.

Good, cheap entertainment this is.

GonadtheBarbarian: Although I will say my company doesn't make carbon steel, we're more stainless and exotic alloys.

Well, there you go. From what I can tell, the mills around here in Indiana/Michigan sell mostly to major auto manufacturers.

That's going well, let me assure you.

They had a hiring spree in the timeframe you mentioned, back when steel was over $100/ton.

DaShredda, I agree that owning a home does not 'make you'. I 'owned' a crushing mortgage and recently sold my McMansion for a loss. I feel strangely free now that I am renting.

But if your job sucks, you need to stop being a little biatch and find another one. If you are motivated it is still possible to find work in this festering economy. There is always work for those willing to work.

-Cheers

valencia: niknatas: You Generation-Y'ers needs to stop having panic attacks and go get another tattoo or nipple piercing. Generation-X is quietly infiltrating the corporate and government power structures.

Very soon you will be able to smoke pot legally and wear jeans at work without being hassled. Please be patient.

When we gain control, all we ask is that you please show up to work on time and for fark's sake do not allow your parents call us if you get passed up for a promotion. Because if you do ... we will send them a link to your blog.

-Cheers

I already have generation Xers telling me what to do at my job and they are farking biatches. If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it. Worst work ethic I've ever seen at any job.

*GASP*

You...you mean they don't work for free? What selfish assholes.

Ever think maybe it's worth insisting you get paid for what you do at work?

In other words, relax. Things will get better because we will make it better.


/31

FTFA: "under-25s are the least likely to be in a satisfying relationship or to have a nice home of their own."

Um... and? Is this supposed to be a surprise? How many people under 25 should own a home? As for the satisfying relationship, I think they've got time to work on that. Are people supposed to have hit every life goal before the age of 25? Pace yourselves, for fark's sake. So sorry that employers aren't handing out $100,000 a year jobs to recent college grads anymore. Poor kids.

Having said that, I don't know that many people over 55 who are "having the tiime of their lives." Most of them are sick and/or stuck in low-paid jobs. Many of them are divorced multiple times. At least one I know is taking antidepressants. So, life is not particularly jolly for older people, either.

Bismi-llāhi ar-raḥmāni ar-raḥīmi, and His Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his Household: I am most fortunate to have college students to clean my toilet and wash my clothes. Who else would work as cheap?

JK_Huysmans: GonadtheBarbarian: Although I will say my company doesn't make carbon steel, we're more stainless and exotic alloys.

Well, there you go. From what I can tell, the mills around here in Indiana/Michigan sell mostly to major auto manufacturers.

That's going well, let me assure you.

They had a hiring spree in the timeframe you mentioned, back when steel was over $100/ton.

My point is, there are good jobs out there in manufacturing. But people now think they have to have a title or something. It's like they feel that manual labor is beneath them. What about construction trades? I think the going rate here now for a steamfitter is 31 bucks an hour. Generations of men an women supported their families with these jobs, now they have to hire Mexicans and eastern Europeans to do the job. Can't find work as a biomedicalnurseitbusinessmanagerliberalarts guy? Pick up the phone and call your local trade union halls, if you're not afraid to get your little girly fingers dirty for a decent buck.

Excuse me while I wait to register for the MJ memorial in L.A. to make a quick buck. I'm sure I won't be first in line. Joe Jackson will be there scalping with me as well !

niknatas: DaShredda, I agree that owning a home does not 'make you'. I 'owned' a crushing mortgage and recently sold my McMansion for a loss. I feel strangely free now that I am renting.

But if your job sucks, you need to stop being a little biatch and find another one. If you are motivated it is still possible to find work in this festering economy. There is always work for those willing to work.

-Cheers

Yeah, we're only losing 400,000 jobs a month now. Suck it up, losers.

niknatas: Very soon you will be able to smoke pot legally and wear jeans at work without being hassled. Please be patient.

I can has?

Mrstupid7:
Sorry, but I'm a bit sore from being glossed over so easily EVERY farkING DAY. It's just so frustrating to have people treat you like trash because you're not in your thirties and have ten years of experience. I actually had a person laugh at me over the phone because I only had two years of experience in an independent studies class with a GC/MS instrument. She told me it didn't count because I was in school even though I was setting up the parameters myself.

It sucks, but it's true. I was also miffed when I got my first real job in my field that the fact that I worked doing PCR for the summer for four years didn't count because it happened before my degree was awarded. So I started in the "no experience" salary bracket. Lame. I got there and found out that I knew more going in than the two people who had been there for 45 years combined. But I worked my ass off, did a good job, and when I had a major falling out with my dickface boss and quit, I had people I had worked with calling to offer me jobs.

Science is particularly rough in terms of the experience thing, mostly because no class can prepare you for the skill set you need to do well in science. You're basically learning your job from the ground up whenever you change jobs, because everyone does it THEIR way. But stress that you're adaptable, learn fast, etc. and take whatever comes along. The good thing is science is pretty easy to network and build a place for yourself.

Also, $200 million dollars of stimulus grant money is coming out in September, so expect the number of job offers for entry stuff to spike. I have a proposal in myself, so wish me luck. Want to move to Providence and run western blots until your eyes bleed?

valencia: I already have generation Xers telling me what to do at my job and they are farking biatches. If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it. Worst work ethic I've ever seen at any job.

I got a temporary promotion at one job, because all the supervisors and project managers had to go to a conference. I discovered, along with my 4 fellow temps, that the project had not been loaded that morning, when we came in, meaning there was no work for anyone in the office. I, of the 5 of us, figured out what the problem was, located the one person in the office who had access to the systems to fix it, and got everyone working by 10:30 so the day wasn't a wash.

My reward? I got biatched out by the project manager when they got back for overstepping my bounds (it was her job, by the by, to load the project before she left).

Another job, call centre work but it paid the bills. If you underperformed on your metrics, you got a chat with your supervisor. If you OVER performed, you got looked at by your supervisor, the project manager, and security, to try and figure out how you were cheating the system. It was literally safer for your long-term career with the company to underperform slightly at all times, because performing beyond expectations was punished more harshly than underperformance.

Add jobs I've had where I couldn't clean up a mess because the union-based maintenance staff saw it as me taking their jobs away, jobs where speaking up and trying to make improvements gets you labelled as a "troublemaker" for daring to question the boss' decisions, and jobs where your tasks are rigidly defined to the very minute, and yeah, it's no farking surprise that Gen X and Gen Y do exactly what you pay us for and no more.

Because we will be farking punished if we exceed expectations. That is the message that has been pummeled into most of our heads. They don't want intelligent, exceptional employees. They want replaceable cogs they can interchange freely. For the most part, anyway.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

What a load of crap.

This generation already has nearly unlimited freedom afforded by a permissive culture, the telecommunications revolution and a safety net of helicopter parents.

But is isn't enough. You bite the hands that fed you when they ask that you start feeding yourself.

What we have here is a revolution of rising expectations. Too bad that this is all there is.

/45
//You'll get over it, 26

Farkin A Bubba: El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

What a load of crap.

This generation already has nearly unlimited freedom afforded by a permissive culture, the telecommunications revolution and a safety net of helicopter parents.

But is isn't enough. You bite the hands that fed you when they ask that you start feeding yourself.

What we have here is a revolution of rising expectations. Too bad that this is all there is.

/45
//You'll get over it, 26

Yeah, being able to get a job in a non-service industry was a horribly high expectation.

Xenolith: LordZorch: Look, I didn't make them get a degree in art history, OK? Just mow my farking lawn and fetch me a bag of cheeseburgers...

Scarily enough, it doesn't matter what degree you graduate with right now. I know quite a few reputable civil and industrial engineering graduates who still haven't found full-time jobs since last spring.

Even worse, those graduates that do find jobs are replacing experienced, middle-aged engineers so that firms don't have to pay for pensions.

/fark this shiat, I'm hiking to the wilderness and never coming back

Pretty much. As someone said earlier, it's not that there's no personal responsibility left in the young generation, it's that a lot of us realize that the whole system is, well, a scam.

So, all you hard-working, ass-kissing 20-somethings - have fun getting laid off in your 40s so the company's stock can go up 1%!

I quit my "secure" office job last year during a moment of clarity. Now I just work freelance. With the gaps between projects from clients I make a little less money overall, true - but the benefits and the lifestyle more than make up for it. I'd happily work the counter at McDonald's for the rest of my life before my name goes back on "payroll" in the white-collar world.

The best part is when someone (usually a boomer, fwiw) condescendingly asks me when I'm "going to get a real job"...

GonadtheBarbarian:

No kidding. I'm in the wrong field. I make about $20 an hour, although salaried, and I do (no, I'm not joking) brain surgery. IN a research context... but STILL.

LaChanz: Enjoy living in your grass house with your coconut computer.

LaChanz won it in 4.

Brainsick:
I already have generation Xers telling me what to do at my job and they are farking biatches. If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it. Worst work ethic I've ever seen at any job.

*GASP*

You...you mean they don't work for free? What selfish assholes.

Ever think maybe it's worth insisting you get paid for what you do at work?

In other words, relax. Things will get better because we will make it better.

/31


You were on time today but you spent 2 hours updating Facebook.

/38

Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku!:
So, all you hard-working, ass-kissing 20-somethings - have fun getting laid off in your 40s so the company's stock can go up 1%!

My solution to this was to work for companies that don't have shareholders, like hospitals. I don't have an office job. I don't think I'd LIKE an office job. I work with weirdos in a lab. I have a rubber rat and a wall full of XKCD and lolcats at my desk. I don't make as much money, and if I can't get more grants my funding could dry up and I might have to change jobs, but we're actively encouraged, practically forced, to network. But there is no stock value. The majority of my success is dependent on my work and not surrounding myself with morons.

Mrstupid7:

Yeah, being able to get a job in a non-service industry was a horribly high expectation.

I tend to agree with those in the thread proposing that crappy jobs executed well tend to lead to better things.

Very few these days have the patience to believe this.

Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khamene'i: Bismi-llāhi ar-raḥmāni ar-raḥīmi, and His Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his Household: I am most fortunate to have college students to clean my toilet and wash my clothes. Who else would work as cheap?

You are a bad man and you should feel bad.

Reading these comments just cements the basic premise of Idiocracy.

As long is this country is going to continue to support those who won't work with resources from those who do, the spiral will continue. As long as we continue to bail out those that made bad decisions, ignoring the entire basis of capitalism (or even darwinism) we are screwed. It doesn't matter how old you are, what race you are, female/male or something in between, or if you think Buddha/Allah/God/Spongebob is the center of the universe.

This business of the US Government passing broad, sweeping bills into law without even reading them is asinine though. WTF are we paying them for? To fall asleep in those padded chairs and listen to them snore, or Pelosi to fly around and go shopping on our dime.

Farkin A Bubba: Mrstupid7:

Yeah, being able to get a job in a non-service industry was a horribly high expectation.

I tend to agree with those in the thread proposing that crappy jobs executed well tend to lead to better things.

Very few these days have the patience to believe this.

I think that any experience in a service industry is kind of looked down upon as the only skill you really need is the ability to follow simple instructions.

Gyrfalcon: Even Los Angeles is a small town when you're talking career-hunting. One bad reference can kill you.

What information are former employers allowed to give when contacted for a reference? Is there something that can legally be done about a former employer giving bad references that prevent you from obtaining employment?

Mrstupid7: Farkin A Bubba: Mrstupid7:

Yeah, being able to get a job in a non-service industry was a horribly high expectation.

I tend to agree with those in the thread proposing that crappy jobs executed well tend to lead to better things.

Very few these days have the patience to believe this.

I think that any experience in a service industry is kind of looked down upon as the only skill you really need is the ability to follow simple instructions.

No kidding. People look right past college, mentoring and tutoring college students, a laurels scholarship, and see "Customer Service" or "Cashier" and go on to ask if you're not actually applying for a part-time cashier job.

Then I have to go into detail and explain that I took a cashier job to supplement my pay as a TA and mentor and that I just ended up really liking the company and the job, that is if they give me the chance to explain and don't just tune right out or refuse to call back.

Nevermind that I've basically run the store I work at for three years or that in that time I've had exactly 1 (o.n.e.!) sick day and that was only after getting someone to cover my shift before even calling in.

I'm going to learn to make meth ot suck dicks, more dignity in either one of those options that some min-wage job that expects me to wear a suit and tie and piss in front of a stranger for the privilege of working a fryer.

I janitored in malls from age 19 - 21, give or take a few months. People are disgusting pigs for the most part.

/almost 23 now

omris: Mrstupid7:
Sorry, but I'm a bit sore from being glossed over so easily EVERY farkING DAY. It's just so frustrating to have people treat you like trash because you're not in your thirties and have ten years of experience. I actually had a person laugh at me over the phone because I only had two years of experience in an independent studies class with a GC/MS instrument. She told me it didn't count because I was in school even though I was setting up the parameters myself.

It sucks, but it's true. I was also miffed when I got my first real job in my field that the fact that I worked doing PCR for the summer for four years didn't count because it happened before my degree was awarded. So I started in the "no experience" salary bracket. Lame. I got there and found out that I knew more going in than the two people who had been there for 45 years combined. But I worked my ass off, did a good job, and when I had a major falling out with my dickface boss and quit, I had people I had worked with calling to offer me jobs.

Science is particularly rough in terms of the experience thing, mostly because no class can prepare you for the skill set you need to do well in science. You're basically learning your job from the ground up whenever you change jobs, because everyone does it THEIR way. But stress that you're adaptable, learn fast, etc. and take whatever comes along. The good thing is science is pretty easy to network and build a place for yourself.

Also, $200 million dollars of stimulus grant money is coming out in September, so expect the number of job offers for entry stuff to spike. I have a proposal in myself, so wish me luck. Want to move to Providence and run western blots until your eyes bleed?

Times are pretty tough in molecular biology.

Every job I've inquired about has at least 50+ applicants- many of whom have PHDs (for basic "Research Tech" positions). I've got a M.S. in genetics and I just filled out an application for Starbucks (and med school).

/Times are tough all over
//At least the only one who depends on me is content with a clean litter box and a can of tuna

LaChanz: GAT_00: LaChanz: You can suck my big fat privileged cock.

You people haven't done anything in the last 40 years except drain the world dry of resources and demand more. You are a parasite on society.

Obvious troll is obvious. Enjoy living in your grass house with your coconut computer.

What GAT_00 may look like:


/hot like Mary Ann

Ha Ha, you've never seen Zappa.............suck it
Broken hearts are for ASSholes
/Yes you

omris: Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku!:
So, all you hard-working, ass-kissing 20-somethings - have fun getting laid off in your 40s so the company's stock can go up 1%!

My solution to this was to work for companies that don't have shareholders, like hospitals. I don't have an office job. I don't think I'd LIKE an office job. I work with weirdos in a lab. I have a rubber rat and a wall full of XKCD and lolcats at my desk. I don't make as much money, and if I can't get more grants my funding could dry up and I might have to change jobs, but we're actively encouraged, practically forced, to network. But there is no stock value. The majority of my success is dependent on my work and not surrounding myself with morons.

This

Plus I'll throw in my 2 cents. I'm 22 and the main reason I think most the younger generation gets a reputation for being lazy is because in most jobs there really isn't that much work to do. In almost every job I ever had I would spend 50-70% of time with nothing to do. Not because I didn't want to work but because whatever work I was given I finished within an hour or two. Then my bosses wouldn't have anything for me to do for the rest of the day, but I still had to fill my 8 hours. The exceptions were when I worked in a calling center and on assembly lines, and during the first month I was at the call center they didn't give us any work. Even now, I'm doing my second engineering internship and for the past week I've been sitting at my desk surfing the web because they have nothing for me to do. I wish they would give me some work, because I'm going insane reading things like fark comments for 8 hours a day.

I've cut lawns (had a buisness with 10 clients when I was 13 years old)
I've sold newspapers. Hell, I was a dishwasher in a restaurant (from 14 years old, made 1st line cook before I was 17), worked full time all thru college (payed my way thru college).
The only aid I had was was a Pell Grant.
I've been working very hard to better myself and my family since the early 80's.......and continuate every day.
/so as Frank would say I'm an ASShole, but you're an ASShole to.
//you punks will pay for me
what you gunna do

therealpope: Pure BS. What freaking fantasy world was this article talking about? I don't know many (perhaps any) "over 55's" who are jetting across the globe as they sip champagne. In fact, I do know many "over 55's" who are working just as hard as they were at 25 so they can pay the bills.

Thank you.

Man, nothing cranks up the bitterness and stupidity like an inter-generational Fark flamewar.

1) Stereotypes are stupid.
2) Get out of the house, find a nice bar, settle down, a have a cold farking beer. Life is too short.

I notice that almost all the crooks responsible for our current financial crisis are baby boomers (or thereabouts), and that they are also the same generation of crooks that had crashed Wall Street 20 years ago, only 20 years older.

See anyone in their 30's in handcuffs like in the late 1980s?

No you haven't: we genxers have been denied access to the upper echelons of corporate hierarchy necessary to be in a position to perpetrate massive wholesale fraud, by the very same baby boomers who refuse to - and now because of their own shenanigans can't afford to - retire.

It is NOT that baby boomers or middle-aged people are evil, it's just that by the time one is middle aged, one should've reached a professional level where there are more readily-available opportunities to give in to the temptations of easy money.

All things being equal, there should be more genxers involved in today's scandals but there aren't (in fact there are NONE). It's not that genxers are inherently without sin, but rather that they both should be in positions of power in sufficient numbers but aren't.

Call it a generational glass ceiling if you will.

Are ALL baby boomers evil and are ALL baby boomers responsible for this mess?

NO and NO.

However, is this yet another shiat-stained hand-me-down from the baby boomer generation?

YES.


/Dear baby boomer trolls:
Yes I know Madoff (for example) was born in 1938 and thus misses being a boomer by seven years. If this is the best argument you have, please do not bother to comment. Thank you.

ZeroIdea:

As long is this country is going to continue to support those who won't work with resources from those who do, the spiral will continue.

We Boomers really don't mind working to support you Twentysomethings. We always knew we'd die on the job anyway. Besides, we enjoy work, having done it since we were children

.

El Chode: Farkin A Bubba: Yeah, except for the 24 / 7 worrying about those under 25 that we care about...

The Baby Boomers were the generation that wanted everything to be given to them for free, and now they're the ones that want to keep everything for themselves.

They're the ones who helped create our modern American "culture" and then so it was never surpassed, they're the ones who restrict it today as the heads of entertainment companies. That way they will always be known as the "greatest" and will keep the rest of us seeking their approval.

They're the ones who were able to succeed based solely on their free education, and now they are the ones who have created a market place where it costs most people to go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt just to be competitive in the marketplace. Low-income jobs that would provide on-the-job training now require individuals to pay for 2 years of training at a "school" with no accreditation just to become a glorified secretary.

They're the ones who wanted the government to back off and butt out, and now they're the ones passing laws monitoring what we do in our cars, what we put in our bodies, and what we can watch and listen to - even what words we can and cannot say.

I cannot wait until they all die off.

/26

So, you can't trust anyone over 30? Wait a minute, I've heard that before...

Boomers, you have become your parents. Congrats.

toraque: dead_dangler: GreyArt: dead_dangler Quote 2009-07-02 11:17:30 PM
You know, someday, I'd like to own one house.

THIS.

Graduated at 22 with $40k in SL debt. Slung box around at FedEx during graveyard shift to pay for school and get bennies

Became a manager on salary, worked for basically $8/hr there but made 40k/yr. Do the math.

Got burned out so I quit and got hired doing inventory and driving a forklift for a wireless company. They sent me to school learning CMDA, 1xEVDO, ANRITSU and the A-L Base station. I now make a quite comfortable living and had 14 hours of overtime on my last 2-week check. We're expanding so there's lots of mileage and OT to be had.

Cream rises folks.

-24

omris: Fair enough. But I will tell you that doing even a bad job well will help you out in the meantime. If you have to take a job at McDonalds while you look for something entry level in your field, it is in your best interests not to get fired from McDonalds. The percentage of people who couldn't get ANY job is pretty damn small. I worked multiple menial jobs to pay for grad school applications, and the contacts and references are useful. A lot of people shoot themselves in the foot by screwing up even the simplest of jobs.

Firstly I want to say that you are absolutely correct. Keeping and holding any job looks better than no job or getting fired from a very menial job like McDonalds.

However, the comment regarding people not being able to get any job I think doesn't hold water currently.

My father-in-law took early retirement from his job figuring he would just get a job at a place like WalMart or Home Depot or wherever to make up the small cut he took in order to retire sooner.

He finds that he is competing with other retirees, kids in High School, college graduates, recently laid off folks ranging in ages and social status. He's commented to me how bizarre it is to be filling out applications in line with everyone ranging from grandmothers in polyester slacks, teen girls in A&F outfits, immigrants who have their elementary school children filling out the English applications for them and 30-somethings in suits and ties.

The market isn't what it used to be. Even for the craptastic jobs.

He's not been able to find a job - note he has a solid military background, a college education and 40+ years in one job - in about eight months of solid looking. This is today's reality.

Brainsick: valencia: niknatas: You Generation-Y'ers needs to stop having panic attacks and go get another tattoo or nipple piercing. Generation-X is quietly infiltrating the corporate and government power structures.

Very soon you will be able to smoke pot legally and wear jeans at work without being hassled. Please be patient.

When we gain control, all we ask is that you please show up to work on time and for fark's sake do not allow your parents call us if you get passed up for a promotion. Because if you do ... we will send them a link to your blog.

-Cheers

I already have generation Xers telling me what to do at my job and they are farking biatches. If they aren't paid to do something, they won't do it. Worst work ethic I've ever seen at any job.

*GASP*

You...you mean they don't work for free? What selfish assholes.

Ever think maybe it's worth insisting you get paid for what you do at work?

In other words, relax. Things will get better because we will make it better.


/31

that wasn't really what I meant. they get paid on commission, so for every hair cut they do they get a certain percent of the revenue from that as their paycheck. they will make messes in the store and wait for someone else to clean it up because they are not paid to clean up their own messes. or they will have me do things that they are actually paid to do so they can eat lunch/make a phone call/etc without giving me any of the cut. so no, it's not just not doing a job they aren't even assigned to do, it's having common courtesy to the people underneath you.

KarmicDisaster: El Chode:
I cannot wait until they all die off.


Uh, now Chode, I want make sure that we get two coats of wax this time. Not just one.

/thread

Heh. This won't even get read in the midst of all this wharrgarrbl, but as a Gen X'er I have to just laugh my ass silly at both groups.

The boomers had huge dreams that they couldn't possibly make a reality for everyone. So, they made them a reality for themselves, leaving the upcoming generations to figure out how to cope. Big surprise. Sweet spot here is that they will soon die and I'll inherit their stuff. Woot!

On the other hand, we have the precious snowflake generation, who is so busy wondering why the world doesn't think they are as special as Mommy and Daddy said they were that they don't get that no one gives a shiat what they think.

Truth is, you are the biggest group of whiners yet to come down the pike and if you think the boomers made a mess, I can't even imagine what you group are gonna do. Every single one of you seems to think you should get to live like your parents do now, but without all that tedious mucking about working for a living and building it up. Thank God, I'll likely be dead before you guys can truly screw things up. Woot!

My generation. Ah yes. Well, I belong to that wonderful generation that doesn't give a crap about anything - even themselves. So to the younger folks, I say this: Start saving up now, because if you thought the boomers were bad, you're in for a hell of a surprise when we get control of the money. Cause where the boomers were just selfish, at least they cared about you. We really won't. We'll totally let you starve in the dark. (Note the awesome use of the word 'totally').

Robin_G: My generation. Ah yes. Well, I belong to that wonderful generation that doesn't give a crap about anything - even themselves. So to the younger folks, I say this: Start saving up now, because if you thought the boomers were bad, you're in for a hell of a surprise when we get control of the money. Cause where the boomers were just selfish, at least they cared about you. We really won't. We'll totally let you starve in the dark. (Note the awesome use of the word 'totally').

I like the cut of your jib.

It's threads like this that make me glad old people are tough and gamey.

dead_dangler: Robin_G: My generation. Ah yes. Well, I belong to that wonderful generation that doesn't give a crap about anything - even themselves. So to the younger folks, I say this: Start saving up now, because if you thought the boomers were bad, you're in for a hell of a surprise when we get control of the money. Cause where the boomers were just selfish, at least they cared about you. We really won't. We'll totally let you starve in the dark. (Note the awesome use of the word 'totally').

I like the cut of your jib.

I am a fan of this jib's cut as well.

Robin_G: Heh. This won't even get read in the midst of all this wharrgarrbl, but as a Gen X'er I have to just laugh my ass silly at both groups.

The boomers had huge dreams that they couldn't possibly make a reality for everyone. So, they made them a reality for themselves, leaving the upcoming generations to figure out how to cope. Big surprise. Sweet spot here is that they will soon die and I'll inherit their stuff. Woot!

On the other hand, we have the precious snowflake generation, who is so busy wondering why the world doesn't think they are as special as Mommy and Daddy said they were that they don't get that no one gives a shiat what they think.

Truth is, you are the biggest group of whiners yet to come down the pike and if you think the boomers made a mess, I can't even imagine what you group are gonna do. Every single one of you seems to think you should get to live like your parents do now, but without all that tedious mucking about working for a living and building it up. Thank God, I'll likely be dead before you guys can truly screw things up. Woot!

My generation. Ah yes. Well, I belong to that wonderful generation that doesn't give a crap about anything - even themselves. So to the younger folks, I say this: Start saving up now, because if you thought the boomers were bad, you're in for a hell of a surprise when we get control of the money. Cause where the boomers were just selfish, at least they cared about you. We really won't. We'll totally let you starve in the dark. (Note the awesome use of the word 'totally').

As a Gen-Xer myself, I lolled.

that being said what about everyone 26-54? are we just in some sort of financial purgatory?