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(Democratic Underground) Spiffy Two-hundred year old Jeffersonian code broken by mathmatician, just in time for another revolution   (democraticunderground.com) divider line 60
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Robert1966 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:37:00 PM  
Why link to an article with almost no information instead of the original, informative WSJ article (which is linked on the page)?

 
Geologist 2009-07-02 06:45:37 PM  
Because some yahoo submitted the good WSJ link with a crummy headline that had no chance, and I'm not wiley enough to figure out how to get the WSJ link to work now. :)

 
Robert1966 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:51:49 PM  
I hate when that happens.

 
Asa Phelps [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:55:03 PM  
Nicholas Cage must be pissed.

 
demanton [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:55:34 PM  
Did you mean: mathematician

I'm a SPELLMATICIAN!

 
BlackCat23 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:04:40 PM  
Asa Phelps: Nicholas Cage must be pissed.

Are you kidding?! He's THRILLED! Natioonal Treasure III, here we come!

 
Razorwolf [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:22:25 PM  
North Korea is attacking Hawaii this weekend.

 
Megain [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 09:12:04 PM  
Geologist: Because some yahoo submitted the good WSJ link with a crummy headline that had no chance, and I'm not wiley enough to figure out how to get the WSJ link to work now. :)

just put a question mark after the link's url followed by a word/random keystrokes/whatever

 
erveek 2009-07-03 12:09:24 AM  
Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

 
Surool [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 12:12:09 AM  
erveek: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Dang, beat me to it!

/Son of a biatch, it's a commercial!

 
artificialraven 2009-07-03 12:14:05 AM  
img.photobucket.com
But I still want the treasure!!!

 
wingnut396 2009-07-03 12:14:47 AM  
It used to be that people looked to leaders with intellectually curious minds like Jefferson's.

Now its better if that they are not part of that heathen "ivory tower" and more like real 'muricans.

 
aedamham merhand 2009-07-03 12:18:25 AM  
FTA "In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. When in the course of human events..."

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-03 12:18:43 AM  
It seems like everything Jefferson tried to keep secret stayed secret for 200 years. Smart dude. Nixon didn't even manage 8 years.

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-03 12:25:06 AM  
RemyDuron: It seems like everything Jefferson tried to keep secret stayed secret for 200 years. Smart dude. Nixon didn't even manage 8 years.

If I had read the article first, I would have known it was not Jefferson who had an encrypted message, but his friend Patterson. Huh. . .

I once solved a straight substitution cipher in high school. A friend gave it to me as a challenge. I solved it significantly faster than others, but it still had spaces so it was easy. Just look for single letter words, they're either "i" or "a". Real cryptography confuses the hell out of me.

 
otnemem32420 [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 12:57:12 AM  
www.transbuddha.com

 
brap [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:00:56 AM  
Boy, do I feel like a dumb waiter.

 
dobro 2009-07-03 01:00:59 AM  
Elohay, Homastay Effersonjay. Imay ewnay odecay unreakablebay.

 
davideggy 2009-07-03 01:03:35 AM  
The problem with this cipher is that it was only hard to decode because no one knew the encryption methodology. However, in order to be a usable encryption method, the general methodology would have to be known and not secret. Given the key and plain text as the only unknown (as if this cipher become actually used), the cipher would be cracked in a matter of seconds on today's computers, simply by brute force.

Anyone doing cryptography before the advent of computers is at a severe disadvantage. Most cryptography is based on the concept of computational security, basically meaning that a brute force attack is infeasible. However, what is feasible keeps increasing along with computer speeds.

 
holiday_inn_in_cambodia 2009-07-03 01:07:45 AM  
www.cracked.com

 
holiday_inn_in_cambodia 2009-07-03 01:08:21 AM  
www.cracked.com

 
mamoru [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:14:23 AM  
1249897 155617, 110618 120377

/good luck
//the comma is punctuation
///not really a hard cypher

 
Babies with Rabies [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:21:26 AM  
It's a sled! Rosebud was the name of his sled!

There, I just saved you two boobless hours.

 
holiday_inn_in_cambodia 2009-07-03 01:22:08 AM  
mamoru: 1249897 155617, 110618 120377

/good luck
//the comma is punctuation
///not really a hard cypher


Abdihig aeegaf, aa0fah ab0cgg!

 
Sarah Jessica Farker [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:27:30 AM  
I'm reading Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

(yeah, I'm way behind the times...)

 
mamoru [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:28:11 AM  
holiday_inn_in_cambodia: Abdihig aeegaf, aa0fah ab0cgg!

well... it's a bit harder than that, I guess. But, "Abdihig aeegaf, aa0fah ab0cgg!" to you to, buddy! :p

 
holiday_inn_in_cambodia 2009-07-03 01:32:25 AM  
mamoru: holiday_inn_in_cambodia: Abdihig aeegaf, aa0fah ab0cgg!

well... it's a bit harder than that, I guess. But, "Abdihig aeegaf, aa0fah ab0cgg!" to you to, buddy! :p


I type 100 words a minute but it's in my own language

 
ninjakirby [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:37:53 AM  
holiday_inn_in_cambodia: I type 100 words a minute but it's in my own language

peasantswithpitchforks.com
Do you have your own words? Personally, I'm using the ones that everyone else has been using. Next time they tell you to say something in your own words, say, "Nigflot blorny quando floon."

 
tshetter 2009-07-03 01:42:36 AM  
Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

 
Software2 2009-07-03 01:42:40 AM  
GIS for "be sure to drink your ovaltine":

blogmuscle.files.wordpress.com

/What has science done?

 
the_sidewinder [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:55:29 AM  
Software2: GIS for "be sure to drink your ovaltine":



/What have science drugs done?


ftfy

 
Stradavus 2009-07-03 02:10:32 AM  
erveek: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Came here for this.

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-03 02:27:01 AM  
davideggy: The problem with this cipher is that it was only hard to decode because no one knew the encryption methodology. However, in order to be a usable encryption method, the general methodology would have to be known and not secret. Given the key and plain text as the only unknown (as if this cipher become actually used), the cipher would be cracked in a matter of seconds on today's computers, simply by brute force.

Anyone doing cryptography before the advent of computers is at a severe disadvantage. Most cryptography is based on the concept of computational security, basically meaning that a brute force attack is infeasible. However, what is feasible keeps increasing along with computer speeds.


Uh, according to the article the methodology was explained in the letter, and Jefferson was actually interested in using it for sensitive government communication.

 
Clipsy 2009-07-03 02:29:15 AM  
Sarah Jessica Farker: I'm reading Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

(yeah, I'm way behind the times...)


Do yourself a favor and stay behind the times. He only goes downhill after Cryptonomicon.

 
MentalMoment 2009-07-03 02:32:02 AM  
Stradavus: erveek: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Came here for this.


Software2

But not that.

 
bartink 2009-07-03 03:24:31 AM  
mamoru: 1249897 155617, 110618 120377

/good luck
//the comma is punctuation
///not really a hard cypher


Penis.

/what do I win?

 
bartink 2009-07-03 03:28:03 AM  
This a metaphor for what is to come using growing computer power. WE are cracking the very genome of life. Heady times...

 
Software2 2009-07-03 03:34:55 AM  
bartink: This a metaphor for what is to come using growing computer power. WE are cracking the very genome of life. Heady times...

There's no encryption to genetic material. All you have to do is read it.
But to do that you need science. Do I need to show you again what science can do?

 
holiday_inn_in_cambodia 2009-07-03 03:38:43 AM  
bartink: mamoru: 1249897 155617, 110618 120377

/good luck
//the comma is punctuation
///not really a hard cypher

Penis.

/what do I win?


You mean:
Pe,nis

 
Broz_Tito 2009-07-03 04:15:44 AM  
"dynamic programming" don't you mean recursion ?

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-03 04:29:18 AM  
Broz_Tito: "dynamic programming" don't you mean recursion ?

Not necessarily. . .

/Although it sounds like a buzzword, it apparently isn't one.

 
mamoru [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 04:32:11 AM  
bartink: /what do I win?

An F in my math class. My 7th grade math students could crack this code.

Try factoring.

 
House of Tards [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 06:13:01 AM  
Geologist: Because some yahoo submitted the good WSJ link with a crummy headline that had no chance, and I'm not wiley enough to figure out how to get the WSJ link to work now. :)

For future reference (Cool article, btw), the querystring is your friend.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124648494429082661.html?myheadline=betterthanyo u

is going to work just fine unless WSJ.com is expecting a variable (technically a request object, but I'm keepin' it simple, so STFU pedant coders) called "myheadline".

You'll often see links that end in ?fark and the like to get past good articles submitted with terrible headlines

 
abb3w [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 09:05:34 AM  
House of Tards: For future reference

Sigh... you do realize that by posting that in a comment (instead of using an @UltraFark.com email), you've increased the odds that Mike will finally have to get off his besozzled ass to do something about that loophole?

 
jondiced 2009-07-03 09:48:38 AM  
Subby: mathmatician

www.qwantz.com
/cuz you haven't gotten enough crap already

 
Kuta 2009-07-03 10:41:19 AM  
What a hippie may look like:

s.wsj.net

 
Tjos Weel 2009-07-03 10:51:25 AM  
Do yourself a favor and stay behind the times. He only goes downhill after Cryptonomicon.

The Baroque Cycle may be his best (although I looved Cryptonomicon). He actually figured out how to have an ending!

 
Mister Peejay 2009-07-03 11:58:28 AM  
jondiced: Subby: mathmatician


/cuz you haven't gotten enough crap already


Is it sad that I noticed right away that there was no letter E in that?

 
wildsnowllama 2009-07-03 12:12:40 PM  
Tjos Weel: Do yourself a favor and stay behind the times. He only goes downhill after Cryptonomicon.

The Baroque Cycle may be his best (although I looved Cryptonomicon). He actually figured out how to have an ending!


I agree. If it's not Baroque, don't fix it...

...

...

I'm leaving now

 
AliasUndercover 2009-07-03 01:30:27 PM  
Jefferson was a hacker. I knew it.

 
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