Skinkadink: Weren't the teabaggers supposed to have a big protest, or something, for this July 4th?

I'll tell you on July 5.

DalaiLamaDingDong: A Dark Evil Omen: DalaiLamaDingDong: Forty-Two: Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

with glowing hearts..

We see thee rise!

The True North Strong and Free!

Still got nothing on the English, who basically re-write the farking bible for patriotic purposes: (yeah it's William Blake, but they bloody well sing it as a church hymn):

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon those clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

DrD'isInfotainment: GOP's NRO having Larry Craig Moments?

I thought it looked more like a Mitt Romney moment....

The_Gallant_Gallstone: That's not true! You can die young.

There is that, yes...

Faux outrage at non-faux outrage.

Dr. Horrible: Every 4th o' July, I watch this:

(Pic of the Musical 1776)

But I'm obnoxious and disliked, did you know that?
Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

Sit down John, sit down John, for gods sake John sit down!

Sorry Mr_Ectomy, it was Silly Sot who got the lyric wrong...

Lenny_da_Hog: DrD'isInfotainment: GOP's NRO having Larry Craig Moments?

I thought it looked more like a Mitt Romney moment....

You could seemlessly 'shop that pic or Romney right into a scene in the Middle of Rocky Horror and it would look right at home

Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

apistat:
Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Cozret: LucklessWonder:
/British


Do you do parties? We need someone for our traditionally "Beating of the guy with the funny accent."

I think you'd be disappointed, I have a really farked-up accent even for a snaggletoothed Brit.It's not proper British like they show in all the sit-coms...

War! Uh-huh-Yeah-Huh! What is it good for!

Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

That reminds me of the so called "Patriot Day". I understand the fresh emotions behind the pushing of the bill that created such "holiday" and I'm sure it passed with zero votes against it only because no one, especially at that time, would like to been called un-american for not supporting it even if deep inside they would know that the idea by itself of calling it "Patriot Day" was just plain silly and jingoistic, like Freedom fries. I wish they had given it a more somber name.

bri9man: When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I recommend just taking the paid holiday.

Of course, you could spend the day posting angry "Villagarosa is a La Raza Operative" posts on Craigslist instead.

bri9man: When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

Let me guess - you have the 4th of July off as a HOLIDAY, right?

/well, probably the 3rd this year

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Welcome to my favorites list.

itazurakko: apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do, whether you have a party or not.

So might as well bring on the loot!!!

RadicalMiddle: Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

bri9man: Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

I think it's more likely that it's because you get the 4th July as a holiday off most years, and Cinco De Mayo is a day people are working...so there's more likely to be a catered lunch or some shiat that day.

Alternatively, it's because the Governator just started writing IOUs instead of checks yesterday.

/been on the "party committee" at work before.
//Sorry you're in Hesperia, City of "Progress".
///Multi-slash to celebrate the ganking of Alta California from Spain/Mexico.

RadicalMiddle: Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

No...those are all religious holidays. Religion gives me hives. Or maybe it's the heebie-jeebies. One of those, anyway.

Dr. Horrible: RadicalMiddle: Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

No...those are all religious holidays. Religion gives me hives. Or maybe it's the heebie-jeebies. One of those, anyway.

Hivey-jeevies?

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: WELCOME TO EARTHFF

It's not a war, just some fireworks.

Happy!...uhhhh.....Thing!

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: itazurakko: apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do, whether you have a party or not.

So might as well bring on the loot!!!

RadicalMiddle: Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

I'm sorely disappointed.

HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

BE QUIET! Facts frighten and confuse pseudo-conservatives.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hivey-jeevies?

Is that where you get really creeped out and itchy?

/'cause that would be about right, yeah.

How is this a war on the Fourth of July Holiday?

- No one is claiming it forces religion on them
- No one is asking the government to not put up decorations
- No one has complained about the patriotic music that.
- No one has complained that it may offend people.

So how is this a War?

Bonzo_1116

At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

It's a war on war.

Jairzinho: Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

That reminds me of the so called "Patriot Day". I understand the fresh emotions behind the pushing of the bill that created such "holiday" and I'm sure it passed with zero votes against it only because no one, especially at that time, would like to been called un-american for not supporting it even if deep inside they would know that the idea by itself of calling it "Patriot Day" was just plain silly and jingoistic, like Freedom fries. I wish they had given it a more somber name.

the guys in uniform in that picture are putting their hands over the heart. if they are in uniform the proper flag etiquette is to salute the flag. if not in uniform then one puts their hand to their heart and removes hats.

Back in the day the citizens salute was to put the right hand in the air, but the nazi's ruined that for everyone.

the bush administration was full of noobs.

/Godwined

natas6.0: At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

Wow. That is the like the trifecta of the worst cities in the Bay

It is becoming increasing difficult to distinguish NRO from The Onion.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

Yeah, I'm pretty reliable for missing even the non-obscure references around here...

GAT_00:
Don't forget to wave the Made in China American flag! And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

Well I used to make my own but it turns out that's illegal. Nanny state.

natas6.0: Bonzo_1116

At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

bri9man: Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

Typical government thinking, (May)we have money, let's spend it all. (July) Oops, we spent all of our money in May.

Canyoudigit: Shadowknight: I'll be spending my Fourth of July/Independence Day weekend working the ambulance, saving people from themselves. I anticipate three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

I hope you will be reporting back on July 5th will all the gory details.

Start an EMS thread, and you bet I will.

Bonzo_1116: christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

It's not really that hot... you just think it is because you are in hell.

Bonzo_1116: christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

Only after I eat Mexican... or certain types of barbeque.

three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

It sounds like you've been to one of my parties.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.



I don't believe in God, or Jesus. But I celebrate Christmas. Because meeting up with family and exchanging gifts is worthwhile and can be fun. Similarly, I do birthdays because they are fun. Easter egg hunts are fun. And setting off fireworks while intoxicated is fun.

Sure, they are meaningless rituals which ultimately only exist because they are a tradition from an older style of human civilization, but I see no reason why that should prevent people from doing it and having fun.

Some people take them too seriously, like this "War on *blank*" assholes, but just because something is symbolically meaningles does not mean it can't have positive effects or be entertaining.

I think this XKCD sums it up rather well:


/Just because you are a nihilist does not mean you have to be a killjoy

Mongo cut wood: How is this a war on the Fourth of July Holiday?

- No one is claiming it forces religion on them
- No one is asking the government to not put up decorations
- No one has complained about the patriotic music that.
- No one has complained that it may offend people.

So how is this a War?

The guy never claimed there was a war on the Fourth. He merely said people should remember what the day is about. It was just a strawman invented by the Subby to create a thread to go after NRO

There is no war on july 4th, except in NRO's mind.

rumpelstiltskin: HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

The French Revolutionaries were ideologues, the Founding Fathers were idealists with a strong pragmatic streak. I much prefer a crafty bastard like Hamilton to the heads of the French revolution who expected the strength of their ideology and passion to carry them through. Instead they ended up, after cutting off a few heads that needed it, cutting off a ton more heads just to provide scapegoats, and eventually cutting off each others' heads.

I, for one, am outraged. But I'm not sure why...

Here in beautiful Riverton New Jersey we will be having a traditional parade, with pipers, Marching bands, military units, Scouts, kids on decorated bikes, floats, Lions, Kiwanis, Masons, horsies, politicians, etc, and lots and lots and lots and lots of fire engines.

Followed by games and pony rides in the park, including the greased pole, with a 5 dollar bill on top, and the usual vendors, exhibitors, etc. I used to help out with the Riverton Rocketry Club, where we would launch rockets and land/crash them in the crowd.

Later, the downhill soapbox race (lots on betting goes on) and toward the end of the day, the Great Riverton Raft Race, where various floating contrivances race around the yacht club in the Delaware River. Of course, all day drinking and BBQ'ing all over town. Just wander from party to party...

/yeah, we rock
//after dark, we bring all our illegal fireworks down to the river

RemyDuron: I don't believe in God, or Jesus. But I celebrate Christmas. Because meeting up with family and exchanging gifts is worthwhile and can be fun.

Fine, go ahead, I just think it's a waste of time and money and I don't see any reason why you can't be with family absent these clearly contrived holidays. It's kind of a sad excuse if you ask me. If you need to be forced to spend time with someone, you probably don't care about them that much anyway.

Similarly, I do birthdays because they are fun. Easter egg hunts are fun. And setting off fireworks while intoxicated is fun.

So why don't you stand on your head twice a day, and walk backwards on August 7? That can be fun too.

Sure, they are meaningless rituals which ultimately only exist because they are a tradition from an older style of human civilization, but I see no reason why that should prevent people from doing it and having fun.

Because they're retarded.

Some people take them too seriously, like this "War on *blank*" assholes, but just because something is symbolically meaningles does not mean it can't have positive effects or be entertaining.

Anything can be entertaining.

I think this XKCD sums it up rather well:

This has nothing to do with nihilism. Man I'm sick of that cartoon.

Fun Fact: The United States of America became an independent country in 1783.

RemyDuron: rumpelstiltskin: HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

The French Revolutionaries were ideologues, the Founding Fathers were idealists with a strong pragmatic streak. I much prefer a crafty bastard like Hamilton to the heads of the French revolution who expected the strength of their ideology and passion to carry them through. Instead they ended up, after cutting off a few heads that needed it, cutting off a ton more heads just to provide scapegoats, and eventually cutting off each others' heads.

Very good analysis. The idea that people like Hamiton or Franklin or Adams were somehow aristocrats is ridiculous.