I just can't wait for the War on Uranus

.

Those are called fireworks NRO, its festive.

Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

Don't forget to wave the Made in China American flag!

robmilmel: Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

Don't forget to wave the Made in China American flag!

And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

GAT_00: so show how much you love America.

***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

The War on the War of Independence is SICKENING!

robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

I say Happy Holidays to everyone, all year round, because it's always someone's holiday. I even replace "Happy Birthday" with "Happy Holidays" when I sing it at my sons "Holiday for surviving another year".

NRO is retarded. I think "Happy 4th" and "Happy Independence Day" are both perfectly acceptable and interchangeable, and would respond with a "you too" to both.

wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

If it's good enough for Jesus to call home, it's good enough for us!

And "conservatives" have the audacity to blame "political correctness" on the left.

Dear NRO:

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!

No one gives a fark.

GAT_00: robmilmel: Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

Don't forget to wave the Made in China American flag!

And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

I'm pretty sure most of the fireworks I see around are from Mexico... hopefully not carried in by illegal aliens.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I just can't wait for the War on Uranus

that is a battle fought everyday in the NRO newsroom.

GAT_00
And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

I hope my city plays "Born in the USA" again during the fireworks! Woohooo!
/like Reagan, who wanted to use it as his campaign song in '84 but the Boss said no, these dumb farks have never really listened to the words

Complete with paintball attack.

It's true. The calendar that the DNC sent me skips from July 3rd, right to July 5th.

The only holidays it lists are Karl Marx's birthday, Hitler Day and Darwin's Anniversary.

You guys tuning in to the biggest nationally televised 4th of July event? You know the one that's been held every year for decades from that bastion of Real American Conservatism and Patriotism...Boston, Massachusettes?

We already struggle enough to remember the meaning of what were once revered holidays - holidays that have now been relegated to barbecue and super-sale weekends.

I hate to tell you this, buddy, but... these holidays have been "relegated" as such for longer than I've been alive.

what_now: You guys tuning in to the biggest nationally televised 4th of July event? You know the one that's been held every year for decades from that bastion of Real American Conservatism and Patriotism...Boston, Massachusettes?

Nah, I'll be watching one of the country's biggest fireworks displays celebrating our independence that's been held every year for decades from that bastion of Real American Conservatism and Patriotism... New York.

Any non-Yankees want to swing around their patriotism balls?

Full disclosure: I bought a refrigerator one year at a Fourth of July sale. In fairness, my salesman was dressed as Uncle Sam, so it was a patriotic gesture.

The dude who emailed Jay Nordlinger needs to pull the stick Roman Candle from his ass.

kronicfeld: And "conservatives" have the audacity to blame "political correctness" on the left.

I prefer the term "patriotically correct" for the this type of nonsense, but yeah. Same shiat, different day.

I will admit though as a kid it did strike me as funny that we say "Happy Fourth of July." In English "The Fourth of July" has become the proper noun for the holiday and so it sounds normal, but if you translate that into other languages directly (as I was trying to explain to some Japanese-only relatives) it does turn into a "yeah, so WHAT is on July 4 precisely, is what we're asking" confusion weirdness. "Independence Day" (or 独立記念日 in my particular case) just works so much better for that practical issue.

Nabb1: In fairness, my salesman was dressed as Uncle Sam, so it was a patriotic gesture.

Heh. I've been one of those people who turns their taxes in on the last day, last five minutes possible (lazy? You betcha!) and there has been some guy dressed up as Uncle Sam at the post office, those times. Costume must get a lot of use.

I'm a traditionalist- I celebrate Independence Day today. After all, John Adams said (wrote): "The second day of July 1776 will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival."

So, July 2nd, the day Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, is Independence day. July 4th, the day we celebrate, is properly referred to as "the Fourth of July".

It's just not the Fourth of July unless someone loses a finger or an eye. Preferably via mishandling of fireworks, but whatever works for you is OK.

So, nobody but me read the article then? Hint: subby's headline has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Wait a minute. When did NRO start using Colbert as a source?

Why can't we have a "Happy Go Fark Yourself Day"?

Didn't Colbert do a segment of this on his show? Do you think they know he is a comedian/satirist?

wyltoknow: Our home and native land...

get oot and stay oot

Pay the Man: Why can't we have a "Happy Go Fark Yourself Day"?

April 15th.

jackie and dunlap (new window) from red state update have already addressed this.

Bloody William: what_now: You guys tuning in to the biggest nationally televised 4th of July event? You know the one that's been held every year for decades from that bastion of Real American Conservatism and Patriotism...Boston, Massachusettes?

Nah, I'll be watching one of the country's biggest fireworks displays celebrating our independence that's been held every year for decades from that bastion of Real American Conservatism and Patriotism... New York.

Any non-Yankees want to swing around their patriotism balls?


My patriotism balls don't jingle, they "jingo"!

I thought the 4th of July only existed in the U.S.

In Britain, Canada and elsewhere, don't they just skip from the 3rd of July straight to the 5th?

And I'll gladly stand up! (dramatic pause, du du dun) Next to you, and defend her still today!

When my now teenagers were much younger, I asked them what we were actually celebrating on the Fourth of July. While they did respond with the correct answer, it did not come immediately. We already struggle enough to... blah blah blah.

So what's his problem, infants don't know? Maybe zygotes?

wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

I am shocked, SHOCKED at the insensitivity of Farkers to the plight of Independence Day.

Weren't we told that consumption is patriotic?

El_Perro: When my now teenagers were much younger, I asked them what we were actually celebrating on the Fourth of July. While they did respond with the correct answer, it did not come immediately.

Just remember, the War on the 4th of July Independence Day starts at home.

"It's important to remember what the day means, because my kids were too stupid to do it."

I would just like to point out that the vote for independence actually passed July 2nd, today. Why does NRO hate July 2nd?

That being said, I only get patriotic when it comes to US Soccer(despite being in the millitary), and will be spending my 4th watching the Gold Cup and then my KC Wizards :)

Reverend Otis: I thought the 4th of July only existed in the U.S.

In Britain, Canada and elsewhere, don't they just skip from the 3rd of July straight to the 5th?

I'm Canadian, and I'm going to a 4th of July party this weekend.

/Also was invited to an Obama inauguration party here, too.
//weird

I'll be spending my Fourth of July/Independence Day weekend working the ambulance, saving people from themselves. I anticipate three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

I Said: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

If it's good enough for Jesus to call home, it's good enough for us!

I like it. I'm going to make bumper stickers and sell it at county fairs:
"America - good enough for Jesus, good enough for me."

Why can't we have a "Happy Go Fark Yourself Day"?

I think that's Black Friday.

And the moranic hillbillies who eat this NRO crap up are at Wal-Mart stocking up for the big day. Yay America!

Happy "Suck it, British" Day!

By this logic, the next war will be on "Cinco de Mayo" Call it what it really is: "We beat the French Day"

If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

Forty-Two: Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

with glowing hearts..

Happy Terrorists' Day, all you American Farkers!

/British
//Still bitter about the bloody colonies after all these years
///That's why I live in one

DalaiLamaDingDong: Forty-Two: Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

with glowing hearts..

We see thee rise!

I'm gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass, gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I'm gonna kick some butt, I'm gonna drive a big truck, I'm gonna rule this world, I'm gonna kick some ass, I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna kick a little ass, ROCK, FLAG, AND EAGLE!!

/seems relevant to the discussion.

That was somehow disappointing and relieving all at once.

patrick767: GAT_00
And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

I hope my city plays "Born in the USA" again during the fireworks! Woohooo!
/like Reagan, who wanted to use it as his campaign song in '84 but the Boss said no, these dumb farks have never really listened to the words

Notice that Obama didn't choose "Born in the USA" for his campaign...

I thought there was already a war on Independence Day...

El Freak: So, nobody but me read the article then? Hint: subby's headline has absolutely nothing to do with it.

At first blush. That blurb of an article is the first volley in what will snowball into "The War on Independence Day." Which will confuse millions, because no one remembers there being a war on Independence Day.

patrick767: I hope my city plays "Born in the USA" again during the fireworks! Woohooo!
/like Reagan, who wanted to use it as his campaign song in '84 but the Boss said no, these dumb farks have never really listened to the words

Has Obama ever asked to use "Born in the USA" as a theme song? Because since he hasn't, I think we can all reasonably conclude he must have been born in Kenya.

LucklessWonder:
/British


Do you do parties? We need someone for our traditionally "Beating of the guy with the funny accent."

"Hey honey, can you grab me a beer?" *puff puff* "Got a war to win!"

-Hicks

So. . . wait, was Colbert parodying this, or has the world flipped around and the actual right wingnut commentators are now mimicking Colbert instead of the other way around?

vertiaset: Come on Farkers let's all join in the chorus!

Anybody who celebrates independence day is:

A jingoist GW Bush loving war monger
A redneck sister marrying NASCAR watching hillbilly
A slack jawed mindlessly consuming Walmart shopper
A racist celebrating the theft of this great land from the wise and noble Native American people
An ingrate celebrating the fact the the British only gave us our freedom because they were tired of our whining.

Remember red white and blue we stole from the Union Jack, Apple Pie from the Pennsylvania Dutch, Baseball from the British game of "Rounders", hot dogs from the Germans.

Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!

3/10... too obvious...

vertiaset: Come on Farkers let's all join in the chorus!

Anybody who celebrates independence day is:

A jingoist GW Bush loving war monger
A redneck sister marrying NASCAR watching hillbilly
A slack jawed mindlessly consuming Walmart shopper
A racist celebrating the theft of this great land from the wise and noble Native American people
An ingrate celebrating the fact the the British only gave us our freedom because they were tired of our whining.

Remember red white and blue we stole from the Union Jack, Apple Pie from the Pennsylvania Dutch, Baseball from the British game of "Rounders", hot dogs from the Germans.

Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!

Or maybe, just maybe, people who complain that everyone else is insufficiently patriotic because of a semantics issue are douchebags.

Now fark is just getting silly. I mean it's silly to begin with, but come on...

Mordant:
I'm pretty sure most of the fireworks I see around are from Mexico... hopefully not carried in by illegal aliens.

But those are the best ones.

What's the point of freedom if you don't have the right to show your patriotism by setting fire to a crate of illegal fireworks smuggled over the border by illegal aliens while you're drunk off your rear? Blowing off your own nose and nine fingers is the mark of true patriot.

I mean... I took Zircam; I don't NEED my nose.

vertiaset: Come on Farkers let's all join in the chorus!

Anybody who celebrates independence day is:

A jingoist GW Bush loving war monger
A redneck sister marrying NASCAR watching hillbilly
A slack jawed mindlessly consuming Walmart shopper
A racist celebrating the theft of this great land from the wise and noble Native American people
An ingrate celebrating the fact the the British only gave us our freedom because they were tired of our whining.

Remember red white and blue we stole from the Union Jack, Apple Pie from the Pennsylvania Dutch, Baseball from the British game of "Rounders", hot dogs from the Germans.

Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!

"Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is I'm not. I honestly just feel that America's the best country and all the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." - Kenny Powers

A Dark Evil Omen: DalaiLamaDingDong: Forty-Two: Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

with glowing hearts..

We see thee rise!

The True North Strong and Free!

My plans for the 4th:

Go visit my girlfriend.
Smoke some *redacted*
Watch fireworks.
Get drunk.
While drunk and *redacted*, observe her family from a safe distance, hoping some drama will break out.

America. . . FARK YEAH!

I'm offended, you'll be hearing from my lawyers.

If you read what's being said, it's apparent that these kids aren't learning history in the schools the Republicans aren't willing to pay for. Trying asking that complainer about the significance of the year 1789, and the complainer will shrug. (We already know that Michelle Bachmann doesn't know.)

Actually it works for them, because they like mindless drones.

Shadowknight: I'll be spending my Fourth of July/Independence Day weekend working the ambulance, saving people from themselves. I anticipate three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

Thanks for reminding me why I like staying home. All the fireworks in the sky, fewer drunk rednecks hell bent on putting themselves in the ER. Driving on the 4th is almost as bad as driving on New Years Eve.

Gonz: I'm a traditionalist- I celebrate Independence Day today. After all, John Adams said (wrote): "The second day of July 1776 will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival."

So, July 2nd, the day Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, is Independence day. July 4th, the day we celebrate, is properly referred to as "the Fourth of July".

I like this, as July 2nd is my birthday.

Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

Oh, Canada! Our home and native land...

Shadowknight: I'll be spending my Fourth of July/Independence Day weekend working the ambulance, saving people from themselves. I anticipate three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

I hope you will be reporting back on July 5th will all the gory details.

Don't forget to read other great Jay Nordlinger hits from NRO like:

"That Lyle Lovett Hurts My Ears" (new window)

and

"Did you know there are baseball cards that don't have baseball players on them?" (new window)

-what an outraged patriot might look like

/hotter than a roman candle burn

These people make me realise how many things slip my mind that I really should be offended by. Quite absentminded of me, really.

I need to pay attention and step up the indignation.

The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.

shipofthesun: Still relevant and as angry a piece of music there is.(p)

It's just awesome.

I got my dad a CD of Woodstock performances for fathers day. After listening to it with him, I kind of wish I'd kept it and got him a t shirt or something. . .

vertiaset: Come on Farkers let's all join in the chorus!

Anybody who celebrates independence day is:

A jingoist GW Bush loving war monger
A redneck sister marrying NASCAR watching hillbilly
A slack jawed mindlessly consuming Walmart shopper
A racist celebrating the theft of this great land from the wise and noble Native American people
An ingrate celebrating the fact the the British only gave us our freedom because they were tired of our whining.

Remember red white and blue we stole from the Union Jack, Apple Pie from the Pennsylvania Dutch, Baseball from the British game of "Rounders", hot dogs from the Germans.

Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!

Yes, but that's what makes us Americans great. We're totally willing to steal a good idea and we're a bunch of bastards to boot.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.

Do you do birthday parties?

50-Cent had to bail out on me...

"Celebrate the birth of your country by blowing up a small part of it."

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.

Do you do birthday parties?

50-Cent had to bail out on me...

I don't celebrate birthdays, except when I'm socially coerced to in order to avoid ostracism. See above for why.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.

Do you do birthday parties?

50-Cent had to bail out on me...

Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

Haywardian: vertiaset: Come on Farkers let's all join in the chorus!

Anybody who celebrates independence day is:

A jingoist GW Bush loving war monger
A redneck sister marrying NASCAR watching hillbilly
A slack jawed mindlessly consuming Walmart shopper
A racist celebrating the theft of this great land from the wise and noble Native American people
An ingrate celebrating the fact the the British only gave us our freedom because they were tired of our whining.

Remember red white and blue we stole from the Union Jack, Apple Pie from the Pennsylvania Dutch, Baseball from the British game of "Rounders", hot dogs from the Germans.

Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!

"Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is I'm not. I honestly just feel that America's the best country and all the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." - Kenny Powers

eff yes!

/ // i will be sad when HBO is not free anymore :(

Okay this is sad, apparently NRO is Now cribbing from Colbert (new window)(video)

Every 4th o' July, I watch this:



But I'm obnoxious and disliked, did you know that?

umm, Mr_Ectomy...
next line was:
In all thy sons command

Also, one line should be changed to:
our home ON native land

rumpelstiltskin: We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

Yeah a Reign of Terror in Philadelphia would have been da bomb dawg.

apistat: with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Yeah... but we get cake...

/unless the cake is a lie

Magorn: Okay this is sad, apparently NRO is Now cribbing from Colbert (new window)(video)

Palin's Law, dude.

/we're on the other side, maaaaaan

apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do, whether you have a party or not.

So might as well bring on the loot!!!

FTFA: It has rather surprised me - although I understand the point of the e-mails

To convey a message perhaps?

Just sayin' . . .

You always suspected that my reading consisted of fragments of sentences, right? (Don't answer, please.)

Pretty much both pages it is. Or was it supposed to be writing, rather than reading?

Its not political correctness when conservatives do it.

itazurakko: Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do

That's not true! You can die young.

Skinkadink: Weren't the teabaggers supposed to have a big protest, or something, for this July 4th?

I'll tell you on July 5.

DalaiLamaDingDong: A Dark Evil Omen: DalaiLamaDingDong: Forty-Two: Mr_Ectomy: wyltoknow: robmilmel: ***sniff***LAND THAT I LOVE!!!

Our home and native land...

True Patriot Love!

In all thy sons command!

with glowing hearts..

We see thee rise!

The True North Strong and Free!

Still got nothing on the English, who basically re-write the farking bible for patriotic purposes: (yeah it's William Blake, but they bloody well sing it as a church hymn):

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon those clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

DrD'isInfotainment: GOP's NRO having Larry Craig Moments?

I thought it looked more like a Mitt Romney moment....

The_Gallant_Gallstone: That's not true! You can die young.

There is that, yes...

Faux outrage at non-faux outrage.

Dr. Horrible: Every 4th o' July, I watch this:

(Pic of the Musical 1776)

But I'm obnoxious and disliked, did you know that?
Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

Sit down John, sit down John, for gods sake John sit down!

Sorry Mr_Ectomy, it was Silly Sot who got the lyric wrong...

Lenny_da_Hog: DrD'isInfotainment: GOP's NRO having Larry Craig Moments?

I thought it looked more like a Mitt Romney moment....

You could seemlessly 'shop that pic or Romney right into a scene in the Middle of Rocky Horror and it would look right at home

Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

apistat:
Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Cozret: LucklessWonder:
/British


Do you do parties? We need someone for our traditionally "Beating of the guy with the funny accent."

I think you'd be disappointed, I have a really farked-up accent even for a snaggletoothed Brit.It's not proper British like they show in all the sit-coms...

War! Uh-huh-Yeah-Huh! What is it good for!

Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

That reminds me of the so called "Patriot Day". I understand the fresh emotions behind the pushing of the bill that created such "holiday" and I'm sure it passed with zero votes against it only because no one, especially at that time, would like to been called un-american for not supporting it even if deep inside they would know that the idea by itself of calling it "Patriot Day" was just plain silly and jingoistic, like Freedom fries. I wish they had given it a more somber name.

bri9man: When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I recommend just taking the paid holiday.

Of course, you could spend the day posting angry "Villagarosa is a La Raza Operative" posts on Craigslist instead.

bri9man: When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

Let me guess - you have the 4th of July off as a HOLIDAY, right?

/well, probably the 3rd this year

Welcome to Costco. I love you.

apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Welcome to my favorites list.

itazurakko: apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do, whether you have a party or not.

So might as well bring on the loot!!!

RadicalMiddle: Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

bri9man: Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

I think it's more likely that it's because you get the 4th July as a holiday off most years, and Cinco De Mayo is a day people are working...so there's more likely to be a catered lunch or some shiat that day.

Alternatively, it's because the Governator just started writing IOUs instead of checks yesterday.

/been on the "party committee" at work before.
//Sorry you're in Hesperia, City of "Progress".
///Multi-slash to celebrate the ganking of Alta California from Spain/Mexico.

RadicalMiddle: Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

No...those are all religious holidays. Religion gives me hives. Or maybe it's the heebie-jeebies. One of those, anyway.

Dr. Horrible: RadicalMiddle: Let me guess, Scrooge at Christmas, Jesus Christ Superstar for Easter and Darby O'Gill and the Little People for St. Patrick's day.

No...those are all religious holidays. Religion gives me hives. Or maybe it's the heebie-jeebies. One of those, anyway.

Hivey-jeevies?

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: WELCOME TO EARTHFF

It's not a war, just some fireworks.

Happy!...uhhhh.....Thing!

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: itazurakko: apistat: Well, birthdays are merely symbolic of how another year has gone by and how little we've grown. No matter how desperate we are that someday a better self will emerge, with each flicker of the candles on the cake, we know it's not to be, that for the rest of our sad, wretched pathetic lives, this is who we are to the bitter end. Inevitably, irrevocably.

Happy birthday? No such thing.

Man, you're gonna get old no matter what you do, whether you have a party or not.

So might as well bring on the loot!!!

RadicalMiddle: Considering the alternative, I.E. not getting to your birthday, I'll take the birthday.

Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

I'm sorely disappointed.

HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

BE QUIET! Facts frighten and confuse pseudo-conservatives.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hivey-jeevies?

Is that where you get really creeped out and itchy?

/'cause that would be about right, yeah.

How is this a war on the Fourth of July Holiday?

- No one is claiming it forces religion on them
- No one is asking the government to not put up decorations
- No one has complained about the patriotic music that.
- No one has complained that it may offend people.

So how is this a War?

Bonzo_1116

At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

It's a war on war.

Jairzinho: Mordant: Independence Day is good, but maybe a more current term would be to call it Freedom Day. Then we could grill up some Freedomfurters with Liberty Cabbage and sit back in our Chinese manufactured lawn chairs and reflect on how far we've come through perseverance and hard work.

That reminds me of the so called "Patriot Day". I understand the fresh emotions behind the pushing of the bill that created such "holiday" and I'm sure it passed with zero votes against it only because no one, especially at that time, would like to been called un-american for not supporting it even if deep inside they would know that the idea by itself of calling it "Patriot Day" was just plain silly and jingoistic, like Freedom fries. I wish they had given it a more somber name.

the guys in uniform in that picture are putting their hands over the heart. if they are in uniform the proper flag etiquette is to salute the flag. if not in uniform then one puts their hand to their heart and removes hats.

Back in the day the citizens salute was to put the right hand in the air, but the nazi's ruined that for everyone.

the bush administration was full of noobs.

/Godwined

natas6.0: At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

Wow. That is the like the trifecta of the worst cities in the Bay

It is becoming increasing difficult to distinguish NRO from The Onion.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Wow, lots of people here don't know their Seinfeld.

Yeah, I'm pretty reliable for missing even the non-obscure references around here...

GAT_00:
Don't forget to wave the Made in China American flag! And fire off some Chinese-produced fireworks, so show how much you love America.

Well I used to make my own but it turns out that's illegal. Nanny state.

natas6.0: Bonzo_1116

At least you don't haveta live in Los Banos!

enjoy the 4th

In Antioch, the frau will be jet skiing.
In 'frisco, where I will be at work.
yaaaay

christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

bri9man: Folks:


When the government entity I work for is willing to pony up tens of thousands of dollars for a Cinqo de Mayo (sp?) party and not one penny for a fourth of July event, is there any reason to think anything else than there is a war on traditional value systems at the government level?

I invite comment.

/asked if they needed help planning 4th event.
//was told there was no money.
///obviously plenty of money for Latin culture.

Typical government thinking, (May)we have money, let's spend it all. (July) Oops, we spent all of our money in May.

Canyoudigit: Shadowknight: I'll be spending my Fourth of July/Independence Day weekend working the ambulance, saving people from themselves. I anticipate three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

I hope you will be reporting back on July 5th will all the gory details.

Start an EMS thread, and you bet I will.

Bonzo_1116: christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

It's not really that hot... you just think it is because you are in hell.

Bonzo_1116: christ almighty, isn't Los Banos a million degrees outside right now?

Only after I eat Mexican... or certain types of barbeque.

three days worth of fireworks injuries, alcohol poisoning, and car accidents involving both.

It sounds like you've been to one of my parties.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: The idea that a certain day each year is different than any other given day because a particular event happened to occur on that day in the past is one of the more retarded cultural relics that humanity has perpetuated in its pathetic need for ritual, familiarity, and a meaning greater than itself.



I don't believe in God, or Jesus. But I celebrate Christmas. Because meeting up with family and exchanging gifts is worthwhile and can be fun. Similarly, I do birthdays because they are fun. Easter egg hunts are fun. And setting off fireworks while intoxicated is fun.

Sure, they are meaningless rituals which ultimately only exist because they are a tradition from an older style of human civilization, but I see no reason why that should prevent people from doing it and having fun.

Some people take them too seriously, like this "War on *blank*" assholes, but just because something is symbolically meaningles does not mean it can't have positive effects or be entertaining.

I think this XKCD sums it up rather well:


/Just because you are a nihilist does not mean you have to be a killjoy

Mongo cut wood: How is this a war on the Fourth of July Holiday?

- No one is claiming it forces religion on them
- No one is asking the government to not put up decorations
- No one has complained about the patriotic music that.
- No one has complained that it may offend people.

So how is this a War?

The guy never claimed there was a war on the Fourth. He merely said people should remember what the day is about. It was just a strawman invented by the Subby to create a thread to go after NRO

There is no war on july 4th, except in NRO's mind.

rumpelstiltskin: HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

The French Revolutionaries were ideologues, the Founding Fathers were idealists with a strong pragmatic streak. I much prefer a crafty bastard like Hamilton to the heads of the French revolution who expected the strength of their ideology and passion to carry them through. Instead they ended up, after cutting off a few heads that needed it, cutting off a ton more heads just to provide scapegoats, and eventually cutting off each others' heads.

I, for one, am outraged. But I'm not sure why...

Here in beautiful Riverton New Jersey we will be having a traditional parade, with pipers, Marching bands, military units, Scouts, kids on decorated bikes, floats, Lions, Kiwanis, Masons, horsies, politicians, etc, and lots and lots and lots and lots of fire engines.

Followed by games and pony rides in the park, including the greased pole, with a 5 dollar bill on top, and the usual vendors, exhibitors, etc. I used to help out with the Riverton Rocketry Club, where we would launch rockets and land/crash them in the crowd.

Later, the downhill soapbox race (lots on betting goes on) and toward the end of the day, the Great Riverton Raft Race, where various floating contrivances race around the yacht club in the Delaware River. Of course, all day drinking and BBQ'ing all over town. Just wander from party to party...

/yeah, we rock
//after dark, we bring all our illegal fireworks down to the river

RemyDuron: I don't believe in God, or Jesus. But I celebrate Christmas. Because meeting up with family and exchanging gifts is worthwhile and can be fun.

Fine, go ahead, I just think it's a waste of time and money and I don't see any reason why you can't be with family absent these clearly contrived holidays. It's kind of a sad excuse if you ask me. If you need to be forced to spend time with someone, you probably don't care about them that much anyway.

Similarly, I do birthdays because they are fun. Easter egg hunts are fun. And setting off fireworks while intoxicated is fun.

So why don't you stand on your head twice a day, and walk backwards on August 7? That can be fun too.

Sure, they are meaningless rituals which ultimately only exist because they are a tradition from an older style of human civilization, but I see no reason why that should prevent people from doing it and having fun.

Because they're retarded.

Some people take them too seriously, like this "War on *blank*" assholes, but just because something is symbolically meaningles does not mean it can't have positive effects or be entertaining.

Anything can be entertaining.

I think this XKCD sums it up rather well:

This has nothing to do with nihilism. Man I'm sick of that cartoon.

Fun Fact: The United States of America became an independent country in 1783.

RemyDuron: rumpelstiltskin: HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

The French Revolutionaries were ideologues, the Founding Fathers were idealists with a strong pragmatic streak. I much prefer a crafty bastard like Hamilton to the heads of the French revolution who expected the strength of their ideology and passion to carry them through. Instead they ended up, after cutting off a few heads that needed it, cutting off a ton more heads just to provide scapegoats, and eventually cutting off each others' heads.

Very good analysis. The idea that people like Hamiton or Franklin or Adams were somehow aristocrats is ridiculous.

rumpelstiltskin: Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

So, you're saying we needed to behead the landed gentry, force metric time on the populace, have increasingly virulent squabbles over power until the revolutionaries turned on each other, and decend into chaos until a strongarm dictator restored the monarchy and precipitated the continent into an overarching war of conquest?

I think I'm okay with our version.

vernonFL: Fun Fact: The United States of America became an independent country in 1783.

Pfft. That's a stretch. We declared independence and started acting independently. 1783 was when *other* nations conceded our independence from England.

From Wiki:

The American Congress of the Confederation ratified the treaty of Paris on January 14, 1784, and copies were sent back to Europe for ratification by the other parties involved, the first reaching France in March. British ratification occurred on April 9, 1784, and the ratified versions were exchanged in Paris on May 12, 1784. It was not for some time, though, that the Americans in the countryside received the news due to the lack of communication.

Hang On Voltaire: The guy never claimed there was a war on the Fourth. He merely said people should remember what the day is about.


Well, according to YOU, it's about being the fourth day in July,

It's Independence Day morans!

Merry December 25th!
And a Happy January First!

vernonFL: From Wiki:

The American Congress of the Confederation ratified the treaty of Paris on January 14, 1784, and copies were sent back to Europe for ratification by the other parties involved, the first reaching France in March. British ratification occurred on April 9, 1784, and the ratified versions were exchanged in Paris on May 12, 1784. It was not for some time, though, that the Americans in the countryside received the news due to the lack of communication.

Which is kinda what I just said, eh?

We declared independence. We didn't ask for permission -- permission was not necessary. The Treaty of Paris was just *other* countries recognizing what we'd already declared.

From the people who brought you the Wars on Christmas and Easter? You mean, atheists are declaring war on the 4th of July?

In Norway, we celebrate the 17th of May, and we like it. Anyone who has a problem with it, gets a trout showed up their ass.

ivars: In Norway, we celebrate the 17th of May, and we like it. Anyone who has a problem with it, gets a trout showed up their ass.

(phones start ringing off the hook at the Norwegian Tourist Council....)

I'm not arguing, I just think that really 99% of Americans don't know the history of the American Revolution.

I live in Baltimore, right next to Federal Hill and Fort McHenry.

I volunteered at Fort McHenry for a summer and almost every tourist there was grossly misinformed about the American Revolution.

Hang On Voltaire: RemyDuron: rumpelstiltskin: HiFiGuy: If it weren't for lefty radicals, we'd have no Independence Day to be celebrating.

HeHeHe. Yeah. Our Revolution was the local aristocrats kicking out the distant aristocrats and saying, "we own the rights to fark the poor around here, not you." It wasn't so much a revolution as it was a Mafia-style takeover of the neighborhood numbers game and prostitution trade.
Now the French, they had a Revolution. We were big on words, but they did the deeds.

And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

The French Revolutionaries were ideologues, the Founding Fathers were idealists with a strong pragmatic streak. I much prefer a crafty bastard like Hamilton to the heads of the French revolution who expected the strength of their ideology and passion to carry them through. Instead they ended up, after cutting off a few heads that needed it, cutting off a ton more heads just to provide scapegoats, and eventually cutting off each others' heads.

Very good analysis. The idea that people like Hamiton or Franklin or Adams were somehow aristocrats is ridiculous.

Well, I don't think they were exactly populists or egalitarians to the degree of the French, but you really can't argue with the results. I really respect the Founding Fathers, and although I'm far from the most patriotic person I'll always think they were pretty damn smart.

They realized that the best way to have a government that did not end up fighting the people was to have a government that fights itself (The three competing branches with checks and balances). And it's annoying as hell in practice, I couldn't count the times I've thought, "Our system of government is ridiculously inefficient." And it is. And that probably keeps some of the best ideas from actually being implemented. But it also keeps the worst ideas from being implemented. That's democracy, one big annoying convoluted compromise that still manages to work better than everything else.

They also realized that sometimes democracy is not the answer, as the tyranny of the majority can be particularly vicious. It really is a brilliant system, and the fact it's lasted as long as it has without any significant interruptions is pretty amazing.

I pretty much covered this here.My blog, don't wanna type it twice. Read Snark and otherwise make comments. But I think I covered most of the Freedom hate on both sides (new window)

Ambitwistor: From the people who brought you the Wars on Christmas and Easter? You mean, atheists are declaring war on the 4th of July?

We atheists hate the 4th of July, because that was the day Jesus wrote the Declaration of Independence and healed all the lepers and gave them tiny American flags to wave and together they all sang a rousing rendition of "God Bless America" and then Jesus denounced the run-on sentence as "a work of Satan." It's all right there in the Bible, I'm surprised you don't know this.

When I hear Independence Day I think of the movie. I'll be celebrating the 4th.

Ambitwistor: From the people who brought you the Wars on Christmas and Easter? You mean, atheists are declaring war on the 4th of July?

Atheists don't believe in the existence of July 4th. July 3rd is just a special, double-long day.

Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee!!

/dual citizenship
//yay America too

Ecobuckeye: And I'll gladly stand up! (dramatic pause, du du dun) Next to you, and defend her still today!

Why would you want to do that? I wont be having beer and bbq this independence day. (there may be fireworks, but I can assure you they wont be as pretty and they wont be seen from afar like yours)

Gonz: I'm a traditionalist- I celebrate Independence Day today. After all, John Adams said (wrote): "The second day of July 1776 will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival."

So, July 2nd, the day Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence, is Independence day. July 4th, the day we celebrate, is properly referred to as "the Fourth of July".

word

toppgun: Jairzinho: The guys in uniform in that picture are putting their hands over the heart. if they are in uniform the proper flag etiquette is to salute the flag. if not in uniform then one puts their hand to their heart and removes hats.

I can't tell if you're joking or not, but those are police officers. Despite what they seem to think, that makes them civilians. A.k.a., no salute, unless they're all military veterans...

Last Fourth of July I ate an an Indian restaurant.

The Gosh Darned Batman: Last Fourth of July I ate an an Indian restaurant.

The whole thing? You must have been soooo hungry!

Hang On Voltaire: The guy never claimed there was a war on the Fourth. He merely said people should remember what the day is about. It was just a strawman invented by the Subby to create a thread to go after NRO

Strawman? The email cited mention taking offense in a way similar to how that person does with "Happy Holidays". And you know where that goes.

FTF email in the A: My one quibble with your column today has to do with your valediction, which wishes us all a "Happy Fourth of July." I have put this phrase in the same category - although it is a lesser offense - as "Happy Holidays." I much prefer "Happy Independence Day."

Yes Sound: Ecobuckeye: And I'll gladly stand up! (dramatic pause, du du dun) Next to you, and defend her still today!

Why would you want to do that? I wont be having beer and bbq this independence day. (there may be fireworks, but I can assure you they wont be as pretty and they wont be seen from afar like yours)

All right, I'll sit down, then.

The Gosh Darned Batman: Last Fourth of July I ate an an Indian restaurant.

My friend is a Sikh, and his family makes the best food I've ever had. And the chai? Amazing!

vernonFL: The Gosh Darned Batman: Last Fourth of July I ate an an Indian restaurant.

My friend is a Sikh, and his family makes the best food I've ever had. And the chai? Amazing!

take him to the doctor, bro.

El Freak: So, nobody but me read the article then? Hint: subby's headline has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You call that an article?

So what I gather from the "article" is this, if you don't know what Independence day, you shouldn't celebrate it.

Wonder if it goes down by degrees, you only know some of it so you can only eat half a hot dog and see 1 firework. No beer if you can't spell independence. You can't watch the pitstops on nascar if you don't know what what year the US declared independence.

FastJeff: So what I gather from the "article" is this, if you don't know what Independence day, you shouldn't celebrate it.

Wonder if it goes down by degrees, you only know some of it so you can only eat half a hot dog and see 1 firework. No beer if you can't spell independence. You can't watch the pitstops on nascar if you don't know what what year the US declared independence.

What I find funny is he is whining that people don't know what it means but his own kids didn't know what it means. Oh, after awhile they caught on (with much prodding, I am sure). Nice job teaching your kids what it is about, "author".

You clowns whine over that post? Fark off.

stigmatoe: You clowns whine over that post? Fark off.

You might want to elaborate on both the subject and the object of that sentence. Otherwise nobody will know WTF you are talking about.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: WELCOME TO ERF

FTFY

Marcus Aurelius: It's just not the Fourth of July unless someone loses a finger or an eye. Preferably via mishandling of fireworks, but whatever works for you is OK.

This needs Ogden Nashifying:

It's just not the Fourth of July
Unless someone loses a finger or eye.
Preferably via mishandling of fireworks,
But whatever will raise public ire works.

globalwarmingpraiser: I pretty much covered this here.My blog, don't wanna type it twice. Read Snark and otherwise make comments. But I think I covered most of the Freedom hate on both sides (new window)

See, this is what's wrong with the internet. It's unfiltered and full of stupid.

ghare: globalwarmingpraiser: I pretty much covered this here.My blog, don't wanna type it twice. Read Snark and otherwise make comments. But I think I covered most of the Freedom hate on both sides (new window)

See, this is what's wrong with the internet. It's unfiltered and full of stupid.

gwp is alright. He has actually moved left in the last year (though he won't admit it).

[sigh] I thought Colbert was just making this up.

Bucky Katt: [sigh] I thought Colbert was just making this up.

It is hard to get people not to talk about Sanford. Not even the nauseating Michael Jackson coverage has eclipsed him totally.

Fart_Machine: Weren't we told that consumption is patriotic?


Thats what the pundits say but everyone still looks at me funny when i cough up blood.

Kyoowashugi: toppgun

cant you just let me take a shot at the bush administration in peace. you dont have to call me out on my B.S.

They demonstrated this last year.

"Who are you going to vote for?"

"Barrack Obama"

"What is name of the holiday tomorrow?"

"Independence Day"

"Independence from whom?"

"Ummm..."

"What was the name of the war we fought for our Independence?"

"Umm..." "The Civil War" "World War I"

"Who was the general of our forces?"

"Ummm..."

randomjsa: They demonstrated this last year.

"Who are you going to vote for?"

"Barrack Obama"

"What is name of the holiday tomorrow?"

"Independence Day"

"Independence from whom?"

"Ummm..."

"What was the name of the war we fought for our Independence?"

"Umm..." "The Civil War" "World War I"

"Who was the general of our forces?"

"Ummm..."

Well, there you go, that wasn't even an anecdote, that was an anecdote in your own mind. And only liberals said that! Wow.

is it wrong for me to want the 4th of july to be known once again as independence day?! i dont see a problem with this

/democrat-liberal
//i thought that was the point from the start

randomjsa:
"Barrack Obama"

Jesus, it's funny when people try to play holier-than-thou.

So, what's worse, not knowing we defeated the British, or not knowing how to spell the name of the current president?

Wait, who are we supposed to be oppressing now? Whitey, rich folks, or fat old drug addicts who can't get a Dole without a little blue pill?

I have so many entrenched majority people to step on right now I can't keep them all straight.

That's it - War on Halloween - cuz it is teh ghey.

vertiaset: Fark.com where patriotism is for douchebags!


Nooo. You've got it backwards. The biggest douchebags wrap themselves in an American flag and wear a cross so they can verbally deflect the obvious truth that they are obscene douchebags whenever confronted by it by screaming, "If you're criticizing me, you must hate America and God because I am America and a Christian!"

Meanwhile, they are still obscene douchebags who happen to be American and Christian but declare that since you are pointing out their assholery that you "have to be attacking" America and Christianity in the process.

If a politician or a released from jail criminal uses this defense as a regular excuse, then it sure as heck defines an average scumbag when they also use the God & Country excuse.

RemyDuron: And they ended up with an expansionist dictator and we ended up having a democratic republic of unprecedented size and stability.

Right, so Napoleon is "expansionist", but the US "ended up having... unprecedented size". Somehow. We don't know how, but it certainly wasn't because of expansionism. It was Freedom Growth or something.

I can't believe a farted out article like this has you people debating the true meaning of patriotism and massaging your chins contemplating the proper expression of The 4th.

When the Proper Internet Response should have been to make fun of Jay Nordlinger in the most snickeringly juvenille and vulgar manner possible, including hasty photoshops.

I weep for the Internet.

I'll probably end up celebrating the day by consoling my true-blue American mutt who's terrified of all the fireworks.

Sabyen91: ghare: globalwarmingpraiser: I pretty much covered this here.My blog, don't wanna type it twice. Read Snark and otherwise make comments. But I think I covered most of the Freedom hate on both sides (new window)

See, this is what's wrong with the internet. It's unfiltered and full of stupid.

gwp is alright. He has actually moved left in the last year (though he won't admit it).

Nope, just the right has been giving me more ammunition. Sometimes if people look at things there are a lot of things they agree on. Plus RLSM and a few others on here pissed me off hteir blatant racist attitude. I will probably never be Barack Obama's greatest fan, but I think some of the stupid coming out is just ignorant. Being an honest Libertarian, is just a matter of taking the freedom aspect of conservatives and liberals and saying why not be honest. Being a straight up statist is taking the control aspects from either. The right has been in acendancy(recent elections not withstanding) so an honest Libertarian is going to be critical of their abuses. When a more left agenda is in acendency you will say I am moving right. I am pretty much in line with Weaver_95.

Holidays are all stupid.

Just treat every day like a celebration, and the idea of putting aside one or two days a month to celebrate a particular concept, idea, event, or person just seems trite and silly.

That red was caused by strontium salts in the fireworks mixture.

Shall I go on with the copper salts for a pretty blue colour,
or shall I hit up my stash and go for broke??

toppgun: Kyoowashugi: toppgun

cant you just let me take a shot at the bush administration in peace. you dont have to call me out on my B.S.

Apologies. Carry on.