ZoSo_the_Crowe:

Huh. Never knew JPJ wrote those guitar parts, but I can certainly believe it.

Dwight_Yeast: jhva3: How is Led Zeppelin a supergroup? I thought a supergroup was a group made up of previously famous rockstars, like French, Frith, Kaiser Thompson or Asia for example. I think they are super, but Page was the only one who was well known when they were formed.

You've got the understand that Page and Jones were both well-known as session musicians in London, and Bonham and Plant were two of the best unsigned talents on the (relatively small) English music scene at the time. The "Supergroup" appellation came from Ahmet Ertegun, who was in the position to throw terms like that around (he'd signed Cream, the original Supergroup).

Even though it may have been a bit premature in late 1968, all four members of Zeppelin certainly lived up to it by 1970.

Oh yeah, I mean I understand that all and I love Led Zeppelin, but I don't think anyone had the foggiest clue who the other guys were before Led Zeppelin. I mean usually when people form awesome bands they've done something before.

NeauxFear: Pyynk: Plant and Bonham were in a local band as I recall.

A Birmingham (UK) blues group called the Band of Joy. I'm willing to bet Plant's retarded hippie-ass named the band.

That's the one! Yeah, I love Plant, but sweet Jebus he wears his patchouli on his sleeve.

TSE: csxtrainwreck: Pyynk: csxtrainwreck: El Chode: Look up "the yardbirds"

Jimmy Page... Ok where are the other famous band members?

Yeah, I think the only thing JPJ was known for at the time of Zeppelin's formation was session work. Plant and Bonham were in a local band as I recall.

People in local bands are often in mutliple bands. "Super" implies they're established names. Session work only counts when it's stacked on previously established work like Jimmy Page. Just my opinion.

The only thing who? It only counts huh? You can't discount JPJ's work and praise Page's at the same time. Well you can, but it just isn't right. They ran in the same circles, worked for the same record company, played with many of the same musicians. Sure, Page was in The Yardbirds before Zep started, but in their time and place, they were both established names. JPJ was called in to play on Beck's Bolero when Entwistle couldn't make it. I won't argue about your definition of a supagroop, but JPJ wasn't some unknown local bass player session guy.

I think you misunderstand me, it's not that JPJ wasn't talented, even insanely so, it's just that the term "supergroup" shouldn't be tossed around if the people making up said band weren't famous PRIOR to joining said group. JPJ was doing primarily session work, something which doesn't really garner a lot of fame with the masses. Plant and Bonham, while ridiculously talented, were unsigned artists. Thus not a supergroup.

Does this weaken or water down the awesomeness that is their run? Not hardly. Does it make them less entertaining or dynamic? Again no. It just means that they weren't all famous when they started.

/love me the Zep
//seeing Jimmy Page and Robert Plant live is one of my top ten concert experiences. Wish Bonzo and JPJ had been there too.

ZoSo_the_Crowe: GibbyTheMole: People go on about Page or Plant or Bonham, but nobody mentions JPJ. Which is odd, because he was kind of the architect of their sound to a degree.

Yep.

People go on and on about "Jimmy Page the riffmeister," referencing such classic riffs as Heartbreaker and Black Dog. Guess what? All those melodic riffs Zeppelin is famous for... JPJ wrote.

Oh, and the dude has conducted a symphony orchestra WHILE PLAYING BASS.

He is amazing.

No doubt -- I really regret not having seen that.

1derful: If Dave is on guitar and josh is on drums, subby's pants aren't on fire.

Have you heard Josh's drumming for the Eagles of Death Metal? He knows his way around a set pretty damn well. See: I'm Your Torpedo from Heart On.

I respect everyone involved, but I hope JPJ doesn't turn it into a jam session type of sound, as famous bassists tend to do. Josh Homme is brilliant, btw.

Ooh. Power ballads, right? A lot of modern rock whinging and mixolydian choruses? Oh boy! Just what we wanted! More buttrock from Dave Grohl.

jhva3: John Paul Jones is an amazing bass player. I am excited.

I think he should break out the mellotron

csxtrainwreck: El Chode: Look up "the yardbirds"

Jimmy Page... Ok where are the other famous band members?

They left and let Jimmy take over. The Yardbirds was a supergroup based on its ability to put stunning guitarists up for show. Not sure the validity but the working-title name for Led Zep was Yardbirds 2...carrying on the torch of being an interchangeable powerhouse.

/just like baseball's negro leagues, some of the best supergroups were on the fringe but thankfully we have historians and universities to document their existence and perhaps pay off a sliver of jimmy's "like those before me, everything i know i stole from better black players" legacy

sp0rk_of_psychosis: csxtrainwreck: El Chode: Look up "the yardbirds"

Jimmy Page... Ok where are the other famous band members?

They left and let Jimmy take over. The Yardbirds was a supergroup based on its ability to put stunning guitarists up for show. Not sure the validity but the working-title name for Led Zep was Yardbirds 2...carrying on the torch of being an interchangeable powerhouse.

/just like baseball's negro leagues, some of the best supergroups were on the fringe but thankfully we have historians and universities to document their existence and perhaps pay off a sliver of jimmy's "like those before me, everything i know i stole from better black players" legacy

I think it was the New Yardbirds before Keith Moon dissed them.

What he said:

ZeroCorpse Quote 2009-07-03 03:24:23 PM
Ooh. Power ballads, right? A lot of modern rock whinging and mixolydian choruses? Oh boy! Just what we wanted! More buttrock from Dave Grohl.

What he meant:

I bought a thesaurus yesterday and am WAY excited to use the word "mixolydian" in a sentence! Also i wish three penises would be dispatched towards my mouth post haste!

ZeroCorpse: Ooh. Power ballads, right? A lot of modern rock whinging and mixolydian choruses? Oh boy! Just what we wanted! More buttrock from Dave Grohl.

You don't know who Queens of the Stone Age are, do you?

jhva3: Oh yeah, I mean I understand that all and I love Led Zeppelin, but I don't think anyone had the foggiest clue who the other guys were before Led Zeppelin. I mean usually when people form awesome bands they've done something before.

Given that it was something Keith Moon said about them that lead to their name, I'm going to say, no, you're wrong.

The English music scene was SMALL, and Zeppelin were well-known by people who mattered long before they were signed. Speaking of their signing, they got a $200K advance, which was unheard of, and Ahmet flew to London to see them, which was also very unusual.

I really don't understand the hate Grohl gets. I mean, beyond the obvious jealousy/elitist crap.

timetokill: I really don't understand the hate Grohl gets. I mean, beyond the obvious jealousy/elitist crap.

I selfishly wish he'd leave the Foos and just stick to drumming, because that's what he's best at, but I understand the man does what he needs to do to bring in a paycheck.

But yeah, I think a lot of people merely feel Grohl's wasting his talent by limiting himself to guitarist/singer in a poppy rock band like the Foos.

ZoSo_the_Crowe: I selfishly wish he'd leave the Foos and just stick to drumming, because that's what he's best at, but I understand the man does what he needs to do to bring in a paycheck.

But yeah, I think a lot of people merely feel Grohl's wasting his talent by limiting himself to guitarist/singer in a poppy rock band like the Foos.

Sure, I can understand that. Personally I just view it as a treat when he gets on drums. And I don't think Taylor Hawkins is really a bad drummer either... I loved when they did a dual drum set at one of the Foo shows I saw, Hawkins on one and Grohl on the other. Pretty damn awesome.

Hmm... then again would people just be okay with him doing the Foo Fighters like the early albums, where he was doing the drumming as well?

Anyway I'm psyched for this. Love Grohl on drums. Still, I just can't knock the guy's ability to write hit singles with the Foo. As long as he keeps doing these side projects as well :)

timetokill: Hmm... then again would people just be okay with him doing the Foo Fighters like the early albums, where he was doing the drumming as well?



outside of the first FF album being the best, with the exception of Big Me anyway, my only real problem with the band has more to do with them basically just reiterating Monkey Wrench ever since the second album. FF is too bland to hate, but I get the feeling from those going "WHOO BEST BAND EVER!" over them are seriously sheltered.

thelocaldrunk: throw neil fallon on vox and im even happier

...or John Garcia. Neither Neil nor John would get along with those guys, though, I don't think.

Dwight_Yeast: jhva3: Oh yeah, I mean I understand that all and I love Led Zeppelin, but I don't think anyone had the foggiest clue who the other guys were before Led Zeppelin. I mean usually when people form awesome bands they've done something before.

Given that it was something Keith Moon said about them that lead to their name, I'm going to say, no, you're wrong.

The English music scene was SMALL, and Zeppelin were well-known by people who mattered long before they were signed. Speaking of their signing, they got a $200K advance, which was unheard of, and Ahmet flew to London to see them, which was also very unusual.

Keith Moon told them they were going to fail+large cash advance=Supergroup. I understand. Thanks for correcting me you stupid fark.