First they came for the Naples Yellow artist paint, and I said nothing...



clambam: I just spent an hour tracking down a couple of tubes of lead oil paint on the internet (I painted with Flake White for ten years before I found out it was carbonate of lead). The nanny state is trying to phase it out -- they already did it with Naples Yellow (lead antimonate). There are some very good reasons that lead paint is/was so popular. It's absolutely permanent, it speeds the drying time of otherwise slow-drying pigments, it conveys its permanence to other pigments, and it's relatively cheap. There are 17th century portraits in which the faces were painted with lead white, the rest of the painting in transparent glazes. The faces are still as good as new, the rest of the paintings have dusted off the canvas.

The problem for artists is, once you ban Naples Yellow or Flake White because they're poisonous, where do you stop? Virtually all pigments are poisonous to one degree or another. Will they ban cadmium colors next? How about the thalo colors? They contain cyanide. Vermilion is mercuric sulfate. Eliminate all the poisonous pigments and artists might as well take up finger painting.

Sorry for ranting, this is a subject very near to my heart and it pisses me off no end. There is a certain amount of risk in life, whatever you do. I wish the smoking/alcohol/fatty food/drug nazis would mind their own business and let people make their own choices, good or bad, and take responsibility for their actions.

"Mad as a hatter" refers to the effects of occupational lead exposure.

Nakito: "Mad as a hatter" refers to the effects of occupational lead exposure.

That's the wrong element, there buddy.

Mad hatter was a reference to felt hatters who suffered from mercury poisoning.

Nakito: "Mad as a hatter" refers to the effects of occupational lead mercury exposure.

FTFY

This isn't a Photoshop Contest why?

Bow before your masters!



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bmwericus: Don't know how they missed "Radio-Thor" health water - with a microgram each of Radium and Thorium in every 1 oz bottle. This product actuall did kill a number of people - most of whom drank many, many bottles of this glowing elixar.

Sounds like that nuka cola quantum that darn biatch in girdershade wants.

Cyberluddite: Nah, AYDS the diet product was around for at least 10 years or more

You're right, I was confused with another diet pill, which was also heavily advertised on TV in the early 80s. I remember when half of the medicine commercials, for any kind of medicine, made a big deal out of being in capsule form.

Funny used to be tons of commercials for Anacin, Excedrin etc now the commercials are for prescription stuff.

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Also useful for annoying children!

And yes, for those who don't know, Thorazine really was marketed that loosely back when it came out. Comforting ain't it?

bhcompy: We had a similar experience with asbestos in our confetti ceiling(among other things). Rather than pay a shiatload for removal, we put a few tons of paint on it to seal it in.

That _is_ the proper way of doing it.

pisstron: /Hot like burning fossil fuels

I can remember a bunch of those from when I was a kid. Remember the fun of going on vacation seeing the various regional gas station chains.

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There was a company called Terrible Herbst?

bmwericus: Don't know how they missed "Radio-Thor" health water - with a microgram each of Radium and Thorium in every 1 oz bottle. This product actuall did kill a number of people - most of whom drank many, many bottles of this glowing elixar.

Eben Byers, an iron magnate, was the most famous user, draining 1,400 vials of the stuff in 2 years. He reportedly felt just dandy until he started losing teeth and, soon enough, his jawbone had to be removed. By 1932, he was dead.



The maker, a bogus MD, was never brought to trial. There weren't a lot of laws against this sort of thing then.

Oh shiat. I meant to say Byers took radium from 1927 or '28 to '30, and died in 1932. Surprised he lasted as long as he did.

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There was a company called Terrible Herbst?

There still is. I know of at least one station in Pahrump, NV.

You don't necessarily have to go too far back to find things like these. Take fen-phen for example. Or like that real-estate commercial, where the wife is whining to the husband to get a house they can barely afford.

I wonder if there would be some examples like this of Enron or Worldcom...

Bagelox-99: There weren't a lot of laws against this sort of thing then.

If I remember right, the first laws attempting to address the problem made things worse-- most of them targeted "bogus" products that weren't actually radioactive.

What, no Logitech pissing baby ad from Mondo 2000 back in the day?

Would probably get you on a couple undesirable lists, actually.

PirateFreedom: what interests me is wondering which of our modern ads will be equally amusing in the future.

hershmire: There are glowing examples of how a stranger's life is valued less than the almighty buck.

"You know what the fellow said-in Italy for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace-and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

/for no other reason than I love Orson Welles, and not in a Bogdanovichy way

Bomb Mecca: bmwericus: Don't know how they missed "Radio-Thor" health water - with a microgram each of Radium and Thorium in every 1 oz bottle. This product actuall did kill a number of people - most of whom drank many, many bottles of this glowing elixar.

Sounds like that nuka cola quantum that darn biatch in girdershade wants.

I promised the dude there a threesome to go do it for me. Was killed by a radscorpion within 2 minutes.

PirateFreedom: 2chris2: PirateFreedom: what interests me is wondering which of our modern ads will be equally amusing in the future.
I'm guessing any number of pharmaceuticals but especially the antidepressants once we have some idea of how the brain actually works.

Like this?

Yup, I'm guessing once were past the current trial and error stage of psychiatric drugs that kind of thing will look pretty funny, especially if we understand why they effect some people so negatively.

That essentially is how SSRIs work - there's something about the patient's individual neurons that causes rapid reuptake of serotonin, and the SSRI corrects that. Problems can arise when the SSRI messes with uptake or reuptake of other, likely properly-balanced chemicals such as epinephrine, norepinephrine, and dopamine, and they can also arise from the fact that we don't yet know about everything serotonin does.

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There was a company called Terrible Herbst?

There still is. I know of at least one station in Pahrump, NV.

http://www.terribleherbst.com/ the interwebs the do something.

bmwericus: Don't know how they missed "Radio-Thor" health water - with a microgram each of Radium and Thorium in every 1 oz bottle. This product actuall did kill a number of people - most of whom drank many, many bottles of this glowing elixar.

I found an old New York Times article about Radio-Thor from 1909. Link

After going on at length about this Dr. Bailey and his amazing discovery, the article unintentionally hilariously ends with:

"Dr. Bailey said that his experiments had made him quite nervous, and he gave visible signs of being unstrung. Alarm was expressed lest his continuation of his investigation might bring on serious trouble. A physician said it was the duty of those present to try to evolve something for preventing this nervousness if they used thorad-x in their practice".

I'm not understanding the irony part. The products in these ads were very the "cats meow", or the "bees knees" at the time. Asbestos was a wonder material, Mercury wasn't harmful, nor radio active materials. These were all wonderful wonderful things back then. Of course, now we know that isn't the case. I wonder what the next couple of generations will think of our ads and all the harmful products we consume.

Nakito: "Mad as a hatter" refers to the effects of occupational lead exposure.o

No, that was mercury. They used it as a sizing.

bhcompy: We had a similar experience with asbestos in our confetti ceiling(among other things). Rather than pay a shiatload for removal, we put a few tons of paint on it to seal it in.

We did that also. The only thing I did was to remove the paint from the edges of the window sills so if the kid chewed on them she'd not end up with a mouthful of lead. She never did chew on them or anything else.

They had us scared to death over the lead issue yet we have tons of crap coming in from China that is full of the stuff. We have a test kit at work for testing children. It has cups, etc. They've been recalled due to lead in them.

letrole: Nakito: Lead paint was the premium stuff.

The danger of lead paint is a myth. In the late 60s, it became apparent that certain groups of children were simply unable to progress, in spite of social programs such as Head Start. Some sort of environmental cause had to be found. Enter lead paint.

It's about time you came up with some fresh material.
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No_One_Special:
Lead poisoning, and its effects, have been well understood for some time. The problem with lead paint was that children liked to peel it (rubbery goodness!) and eat it (it tastes sweet). Lead poisoning isn't ADD- it's a clear-cut thing to diagnose.

Fun fact. The man who put lead into gasoline, and covered the entire world with lead fumes, is the very same guy who invented refrigerant coolant that made the hole in the ozone layer.

There cannot be a man who ended up doing more damage to the world than him.
Thomas Midgley (new window)

No_One_Special: The problem with lead paint was that children liked to peel it (rubbery goodness!) and eat it (it tastes sweet).

Ahhhh...that brings back good memories...

Tofu: letrole: The danger of lead paint is a myth.

QFT. Romans used to dissolve lead in casks of wine and drink the stuff and as a result their empire lasted 1000 years. Think the US will last that long?

If I remember my classical history correctly, the Romans were aware of the dangers of lead- yes- Google brings up Vetruvius.
The theory that Romans suffered from widespread lead poisoning never really caught on. But they did shove some weird things in their mouths.

FarkinHostile: Cyberluddite

You know the Breyers "Lickable" one is fake, FarkinHostile, don't you?


Of course, but it's still funnydisturbing.

FTFY

Getting back to the subject of unreasonably banned pigments, there used to be a dye pigment called Uranium Yellow. No longer available for some reason. Too bad, the color really glowed.

You also can no longer get Mummy, made, as its name implies, from ground-up Egyptian mummies. There used to be quite a brisk trade in mummies back in the 19th century. You can still get a pigment called Indian Yellow, but I doubt it's still made from the original recipe: cow urine (from specially fed cows).

Photo similarity too much to ignore...

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: PirateFreedom: what interests me is wondering which of our modern ads will be equally amusing in the future.

As the scion of two unfortunate families each with a top life expectancy of just under 60 and rapidly approaching that age myself with little desire to shuffle off, I'm kept erect by a variety of powerful and disturbing drugs unavailable to my ephemeral ancestors. My doctors tell me I have an excellent chance of making it to 90 in good health. Better living through chemistry in action. I do not mock big pharma.

2chris2: PirateFreedom: what interests me is wondering which of our modern ads will be equally amusing in the future.
I'm guessing any number of pharmaceuticals but especially the antidepressants once we have some idea of how the brain actually works.

Like this?


The sad part about that is that they have to mention that this is a dramatization, and that you don't have labeled cells in your body exchanging squares and circles.

One of the good consequences of the FCC, the FDA, and related agencies is that with perhaps only a rare exception, you're never going to see "ironic" ads like that again.

Also, the dutch boy paint ad doesn't strike me as "ironic" so much. Lead paint goes on gorgeous and lasts forever. That is why it was so heavily used. Much like with Freon and DDT, scientists have spent billions trying to find something that works almost as good as what we already have.

PirateFreedom: what interests me is wondering which of our modern ads will be equally amusing in the future.




Taking chances indeed.
The damage done to millions of people around the world is unknown at this point,(removes glasses) but informed sources tell us that miscarriges and still births caused by just the cover picture of this audio poison increase everyday.

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There was a company called Terrible Herbst?

There still is. I know of at least one station in Pahrump, NV.

Grew up in the San Fernando Valley, remember my dad paying 1.75 to fill his VW Bug at a Terrible Herbst near the Mission in the early 70's. Haven't been down there in 10+ years, it was at the corner of Rinaldi & Sepulveda Blvd. Right near the cemetery Richie Valens is buried at.

Tofu: letrole: The danger of lead paint is a myth.

QFT. Romans used to dissolve lead in casks of wine and drink the stuff and as a result their empire lasted 1000 years. Think the US will last that long?

Their civiliztion did. The average life expectancy was about 25.

http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/documents/Life.html

Idiot.

No mention of that creepy Jimmy Dean video? Man, that was weird.

Since irony is broken, I'm surprised I'm first with this.