Michael Jackson (Handclapping),

I always thought that slapping sound was MJs scrot slapping Webster's scrot.

meh. why does anyone care about Michael Jackson? He and Madonna (here's hoping) are the two most overrated "artists" of all time. All he made was a disco album and some shiatty pop/r&b teenie bopper crap.

Frankly, I find Billy Mays' passing to be sadder.

/Farrah who?

zabadu: Sorry you took offense to being shown FACTS

Ha, I leave for a hour and this is what I come back to......

Thanks for sticking up for QJ a farking unsung hero of pop music.

devilskware, you are allowed to think whatever you want, sad you could not do it in a less inflamatory way.

ZABADU I never said Jones had a minor role in this album anywhere in my posts. I was initially responding, again, to CapitolG, who claimed Jones was the main reason for the success of Thriller.

Here's his original quote:

I dug on some old MJ, but in all reality, Quincy Jones made Thriller.. I know lots of folks will disagree with me, but then explain why the albums that QJ produced did so well, and the others did good but not QJ good.


Sorry, Zabadu, if I diminished Quincy JOnes' involvement in Jackson's albums. And, CapitolG, I have no idea why Thriller sold over 100 million, but Off The Wall and Bad (produced by Quincy Jones) each sold 20 - 30 million and Dangerous has sold 30 million as well. Then of course Michael turned into a weirdo and got accused of child molestation. At that point 100 Quincy Jones' wouldn't have helped him revive his carer.

CapitolG: zabadu: Sorry you took offense to being shown FACTS

Ha, I leave for a hour and this is what I come back to......

Thanks for sticking up for QJ a farking unsung hero of pop music.

devilskware, you are allowed to think whatever you want, sad you could not do it in a less inflamatory way.

It didn't start out inflammatory, or didn't mean to at least. I think we can all agree Jackson and Jones made two great albums and one pretty good album together.

mloree: meh. why does anyone care about Michael Jackson? He and Madonna (here's hoping) are the two most overrated "artists" of all time. All he made was a disco album and some shiatty pop/r&b teenie bopper crap.

Frankly, I find Billy Mays' passing to be sadder.

/Farrah who?

Well at least when you buy Michael Jackson's albums you know they will actually PLAY. Mighty Putty my ASS.

devilskware: ZABADU I never said Jones had a minor role in this album anywhere in my posts. I was initially responding, again, to CapitolG, who claimed Jones was the main reason for the success of Thriller.

Here's his original quote:

I dug on some old MJ, but in all reality, Quincy Jones made Thriller.. I know lots of folks will disagree with me, but then explain why the albums that QJ produced did so well, and the others did good but not QJ good.


Sorry, Zabadu, if I diminished Quincy JOnes' involvement in Jackson's albums. And, CapitolG, I have no idea why Thriller sold over 100 million, but Off The Wall and Bad (produced by Quincy Jones) each sold 20 - 30 million and Dangerous has sold 30 million as well. Then of course Michael turned into a weirdo and got accused of child molestation. At that point 100 Quincy Jones' wouldn't have helped him revive his carer.

Here's your original quote:


Quincy Jones also produced Bad and Of The Wall and never really produced anything else of merit. He also has zero songwriting credits on any of those albums. Michael Jackson and Rod Temperton were the primary songwriters for the majority of these 3 albums. I know producers have a lot to do with shaping the sound of the music, but to say that Quincy made MJ is kind of ridiculous. If he was such an awesome producer why weren't people lined up waiting to throw bags of cash at him to produce their albums??

Not inflammatory?

Butterfinger: I thought he was doing an immitation of T.O.'s career.

i like you.

Norad: Think what the NFL would do to this clown for stripping off his gear in an end-zone 'celebration'.

NFL almost suspended randy moss for faking a "moon"

zabadu: devilskware: ZABADU I never said Jones had a minor role in this album anywhere in my posts. I was initially responding, again, to CapitolG, who claimed Jones was the main reason for the success of Thriller.

Here's his original quote:

I dug on some old MJ, but in all reality, Quincy Jones made Thriller.. I know lots of folks will disagree with me, but then explain why the albums that QJ produced did so well, and the others did good but not QJ good.


Sorry, Zabadu, if I diminished Quincy JOnes' involvement in Jackson's albums. And, CapitolG, I have no idea why Thriller sold over 100 million, but Off The Wall and Bad (produced by Quincy Jones) each sold 20 - 30 million and Dangerous has sold 30 million as well. Then of course Michael turned into a weirdo and got accused of child molestation. At that point 100 Quincy Jones' wouldn't have helped him revive his carer.

Here's your original quote:


Quincy Jones also produced Bad and Of The Wall and never really produced anything else of merit. He also has zero songwriting credits on any of those albums. Michael Jackson and Rod Temperton were the primary songwriters for the majority of these 3 albums. I know producers have a lot to do with shaping the sound of the music, but to say that Quincy made MJ is kind of ridiculous. If he was such an awesome producer why weren't people lined up waiting to throw bags of cash at him to produce their albums??

Not inflammatory?

Dude, you're gettin things all retarded. CapitolG said I was inflammatory. You said that I said Jones had a minor role in Thriller, which I did not. Anyways, I acknowledge that Jones has produced some Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. albums that are probably great if you like that stuff.. I don't think he's regarded as a legendary producer, not counting Thriller. Again QJ fan club, he's a great and accomplished guy. I particularly enjoyed him in that Dr.Pepper commercial with that black boy band B2K.

devilskware: Mighty Putty my ASS.

Even Optimus Prime can not pull this shat appat!

Pure funny

devilskware: zabadu: devilskware: ZABADU I never said Jones had a minor role in this album anywhere in my posts. I was initially responding, again, to CapitolG, who claimed Jones was the main reason for the success of Thriller.

Here's his original quote:

I dug on some old MJ, but in all reality, Quincy Jones made Thriller.. I know lots of folks will disagree with me, but then explain why the albums that QJ produced did so well, and the others did good but not QJ good.


Sorry, Zabadu, if I diminished Quincy JOnes' involvement in Jackson's albums. And, CapitolG, I have no idea why Thriller sold over 100 million, but Off The Wall and Bad (produced by Quincy Jones) each sold 20 - 30 million and Dangerous has sold 30 million as well. Then of course Michael turned into a weirdo and got accused of child molestation. At that point 100 Quincy Jones' wouldn't have helped him revive his carer.

Here's your original quote:


Quincy Jones also produced Bad and Of The Wall and never really produced anything else of merit. He also has zero songwriting credits on any of those albums. Michael Jackson and Rod Temperton were the primary songwriters for the majority of these 3 albums. I know producers have a lot to do with shaping the sound of the music, but to say that Quincy made MJ is kind of ridiculous. If he was such an awesome producer why weren't people lined up waiting to throw bags of cash at him to produce their albums??

Not inflammatory?

Dude, you're gettin things all retarded. CapitolG said I was inflammatory. You said that I said Jones had a minor role in Thriller, which I did not. Anyways, I acknowledge that Jones has produced some Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. albums that are probably great if you like that stuff.. I don't think he's regarded as a legendary producer, not counting Thriller. Again QJ fan club, he's a great and accomplished guy. I particularly enjoyed him in that Dr.Pepper commercial with that black boy band B2K.

Jesus, you just dig yourself further and further. Seriously, shut up already.

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Yea, and here's a line from the first paragraph from his Wiki page ...

He is best known as the producer of the album Thriller, by pop icon Michael Jackson

I don't think many people could tell you off the top of their heads what else he produced. "Oh Quincy JOnes?? He did the E.T. soundtrack, DUH!!" Again, he's legendary in the music biz for a variety of deserved reasons. I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums. Doesn't mean he's not a good producer. Maybe he doesn't like producing. It's kind of a pain in the butt.

Why are there these idiots in Canada that feel they have to deride the CFL in order to proclaim their love of the NFL.

The NFL obviously gets the better talent and puts out one hell of a product, but the CFL is still great football.

Here I'll try to be one of you folks " I hate Canadian beer, I only drink Bud it has awesome commercials with hot ladies and shiny lights."

To be fair, the CFL zealots are just as bad.

devilskware: Yea, and here's a line from the first paragraph from his Wiki page ...

He is best known as the producer of the album Thriller, by pop icon Michael Jackson

I don't think many people could tell you off the top of their heads what else he produced. "Oh Quincy JOnes?? He did the E.T. soundtrack, DUH!!" Again, he's legendary in the music biz for a variety of deserved reasons. I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums. Doesn't mean he's not a good producer. Maybe he doesn't like producing. It's kind of a pain in the butt.

Again, you're just an idiot. Now you're getting into semantics - "gee, I just meant production!!" Again, refer to the list of albums he produced before and after Michael Jackson. Just because you feel there are no artists other than Jackson doesn't mean that others feel the same way.

You don't get to be the all-time most nominated Grammy artist, with a total of 76 nominations and 26 awards, an Emmy Award, seven Oscar nominations, and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award by not being a good producer.

Just stop now. You're really making yourself look stupid.

Zach's cell phone: Here I'll try to be one of you folks " I hate Canadian beer, I only drink Bud it has awesome commercials with hot ladies and shiny lights."



/hlinked

devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?

devilskware: Yea, and here's a line from the first paragraph from his Wiki page ...

He is best known as the producer of the album Thriller, by pop icon Michael Jackson

I don't think many people could tell you off the top of their heads what else he produced. "Oh Quincy JOnes?? He did the E.T. soundtrack, DUH!!" Again, he's legendary in the music biz for a variety of deserved reasons. I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums. Doesn't mean he's not a good producer. Maybe he doesn't like producing. It's kind of a pain in the butt.

Also, how many producers can you actually name yourself off the top of your head? Huh?

If people don't know that he produced Dinah Washington, Sarah Vaughan, Andy Williams, Ray Charles, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, Count Basie, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Chaka Khan, Lena Horne, George Benson, and Donna Summer, well then, they are seriously misinformed.

solyhhit: devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?

I think he's trolling now. No one is that stupid.

Jesus Christ, just say that you were wrong and suck eachother off already!

solyhhit: Zach's cell phone: Here I'll try to be one of you folks " I hate Canadian beer, I only drink Bud it has awesome commercials with hot ladies and shiny lights."



/hlinked

Ummmm because I like bud.

zabadu: devilskware: Yea, and here's a line from the first paragraph from his Wiki page ...

He is best known as the producer of the album Thriller, by pop icon Michael Jackson

I don't think many people could tell you off the top of their heads what else he produced. "Oh Quincy JOnes?? He did the E.T. soundtrack, DUH!!" Again, he's legendary in the music biz for a variety of deserved reasons. I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums. Doesn't mean he's not a good producer. Maybe he doesn't like producing. It's kind of a pain in the butt.

Also, how many producers can you actually name yourself off the top of your head? Huh?

If people don't know that he produced Dinah Washington, Sarah Vaughan, Andy Williams, Ray Charles, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald, Count Basie, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Chaka Khan, Lena Horne, George Benson, and Donna Summer, well then, they are seriously misinformed.

Yes, he produced great artists who also stand on their own merits with our without Jones. He produced one of Dinah Washington's 21 albums, two of Sarah Vaughn's 40-something albums, one Andy Williams album, one Count Basie, 3 Sinatras, one each of Benson, Sammy, Horne CHaka Khan, Benson, and Donna Summer. He was not RENOWNED as a producer. It wasn't his primary skill in the music business. He was good at it, but his production skills did not transform stars or up-and-comers into superstars. He worked mostly with already well established artists. The majority of his Grammy nominations and awards were not for production. Note that I am not counting Executive Producer as an actual producer, because everyone knows they don't really do a whole lot of anything. AGain, I love the guy, I'm not trying to diminish his accomplishments. I am stating, once again, that CapitolG claimed that the success of Thriller had more to do with Quincy Jones than Michael Jackson. My initial argument was a little off base, but I tried to clarify it and tried find a neutral ground in the discussion but yall kept coming at me. I don't even think you read my subsequent posts.

As far as producers. I don't know. I can think of some. Colin Richardson and Andy Wallace are good. Rick Rubin has helped a lot of bands' careers. Mutt Lange did some classic albums. Frank Farian single handedly created Boney M and Milli Vanilli!! Personally, I admire Rudy Van Gelder, although technically not a producer.

ALso, I think it was pretty clear that I was strictly speaking of production through this entire thread. Especially since the topic, aside from Canadian football or whatever, is Quincy Jones and his impact on the production of the Thriller album. GO back and read again and you will see.

solyhhit: devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?


Again, he produced some one-off albums for some HUGE stars back before most of us were born, and back when these artists were releasing 2 albums a year, Sorry I'm not that impressed by his resume as a producer. I don't like that crap anyways. If we're talking 50's and 60's music, I'm more into the BlueNote stuff and the hard bop jazz. Fark Peggy Lee and Sammy Davis Jr.

I didn't know there were black people in Canada.

devilskware: solyhhit: devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?


Again, he produced some one-off albums for some HUGE stars back before most of us were born, and back when these artists were releasing 2 albums a year, Sorry I'm not that impressed by his resume as a producer. I don't like that crap anyways. If we're talking 50's and 60's music, I'm more into the BlueNote stuff and the hard bop jazz. Fark Peggy Lee and Sammy Davis Jr.

Well then, if you don't like "that crap", that's all that matters, right? Because there is no music except what YOU like, right?

People pick out producers to produce great records, not to make them stars. Most famous singers hand pick their producers because they know they will make them sound better. Hence, you pick one like Quincy Jones.

Just because you can't appreciate any music except what you like doesn't make you an expert on producing. Really, picking a producer because they invented Milli Vanili? You can't even compare the two. Frank Farian? They guy responsible for such legendary names as Boney M., Far Corporation, Meat Loaf, Milli Vanilli, Eruption, No Mercy, La Bouche, Le Click? Wow, great pick.

You must be gay too.

agoratrader: I didn't know there were black people in Canada.

They Import them to fill quotas.

Using the Lesbian Dentist Cartel of course.

Jackson, 50, known as the King of Pop, died last week.

WHAT??? Why did no one say anything about this???

The guy should have moonwalked, clutched his heart and fallen over.

zabadu: devilskware: solyhhit: devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?


Again, he produced some one-off albums for some HUGE stars back before most of us were born, and back when these artists were releasing 2 albums a year, Sorry I'm not that impressed by his resume as a producer. I don't like that crap anyways. If we're talking 50's and 60's music, I'm more into the BlueNote stuff and the hard bop jazz. Fark Peggy Lee and Sammy Davis Jr.

Well then, if you don't like "that crap", that's all that matters, right? Because there is no music except what YOU like, right?

People pick out producers to produce great records, not to make them stars. Most famous singers hand pick their producers because they know they will make them sound better. Hence, you pick one like Quincy Jones.

Just because you can't appreciate any music except what you like doesn't make you an expert on producing. Really, picking a producer because they invented Milli Vanili? You can't even compare the two. Frank Farian? They guy responsible for such legendary names as Boney M., Far Corporation, Meat Loaf, Milli Vanilli, Eruption, No Mercy, La Bouche, Le Click? Wow, great pick.

You must be gay too.

First of all, you took the term "that crap" out of context. Let's substitute "that type of music" instead. And yes, I understand what a great producers job is. My point is that Quincy Jones, for whatever reason, does not have a lengthy resume as a producer. The majority of his production credits were in the sixties, and they were sporadic. He's hardly produced anything in the past 30 years. Why, in 50 years, does he only have 25 or so production credits? Either he wasn't willing to produce or people weren't picking him. Maybe he was already rich and famous as a record exec and performer and he didn't feel like producing. Or maybe he wasn't regarded as a world class producer until he produced Thriller. Nevertheless, his main job and legacy is not as a producer, although according to Wiki he's "best known as the producer of Thriller". His other accomplishments far outweigh the production aspect of his resume. ANd again, the main reason this conversation started was because someone said he was, for the most part, largely responsible for the success of Thriller. What do you think??

Also, Frank Farian was a joke. Although I do give him credit for being a sleazeball and duping the public into making him millions.

And no, I'm straight, but I don't see how you concluded I was gay. ??

Let me also add that this is hilarious. This is the lengthiest discussion I've ever been involved in on Fark ... and it's about Quincy Jones ... in a Canadian Football thread!! WTF?!?!

devilskware: zabadu: devilskware: solyhhit: devilskware: I just don't think he's that well known or renowned for PRODUCTION outside of Jackson's albums.

Are you trolling or just that vapid?


Again, he produced some one-off albums for some HUGE stars back before most of us were born, and back when these artists were releasing 2 albums a year, Sorry I'm not that impressed by his resume as a producer. I don't like that crap anyways. If we're talking 50's and 60's music, I'm more into the BlueNote stuff and the hard bop jazz. Fark Peggy Lee and Sammy Davis Jr.

Well then, if you don't like "that crap", that's all that matters, right? Because there is no music except what YOU like, right?

People pick out producers to produce great records, not to make them stars. Most famous singers hand pick their producers because they know they will make them sound better. Hence, you pick one like Quincy Jones.

Just because you can't appreciate any music except what you like doesn't make you an expert on producing. Really, picking a producer because they invented Milli Vanili? You can't even compare the two. Frank Farian? They guy responsible for such legendary names as Boney M., Far Corporation, Meat Loaf, Milli Vanilli, Eruption, No Mercy, La Bouche, Le Click? Wow, great pick.

You must be gay too.

First of all, you took the term "that crap" out of context. Let's substitute "that type of music" instead. And yes, I understand what a great producers job is. My point is that Quincy Jones, for whatever reason, does not have a lengthy resume as a producer. The majority of his production credits were in the sixties, and they were sporadic. He's hardly produced anything in the past 30 years. Why, in 50 years, does he only have 25 or so production credits? Either he wasn't willing to produce or people weren't picking him. Maybe he was already rich and famous as a record exec and performer and he didn't feel like producing. Or maybe he wasn't regarded as a world class producer until he produced Thriller. Nevertheless, his main job and legacy is not as a producer, although according to Wiki he's "best known as the producer of Thriller". His other accomplishments far outweigh the production aspect of his resume. ANd again, the main reason this conversation started was because someone said he was, for the most part, largely responsible for the success of Thriller. What do you think??

Also, Frank Farian was a joke. Although I do give him credit for being a sleazeball and duping the public into making him millions.

And no, I'm straight, but I don't see how you concluded I was gay. ??

Jones was a producer from 1959 to 1991. 30 plus years don't count to you?

Jones moved on to MOVIES, which I stated before. And charities. He has more money than God, so why not?

And again, even if you sub'd "that crap" with "that music", you are still stating that because you don't like it, it isn't valid music.

The reason that Wiki, although not the best source for valid information, might say that Jones is "best known as the producer for Thriller" is because it is nice to be associated with the number one selling album of all time. So yeah, he's best known for that. Had it been a Frank Sinatra record, he would have been known for that. It just happened to be Thriller. How hard is that to understand?

It isn't the NUMBER of things you produce, it's the QUALITY of what you produce.

ANd again, the main reason this conversation started was because someone said he was, for the most part, largely responsible for the success of Thriller. What do you think??

richarizard: Wait, wait, wait....

They play football in Canada? And people watch it?

Football:Canada::

a) Golf:Scotland
b) Cricket:Pakistan
c) Hockey:United States
d) Soccer:Brazil

devilskware: ANd again, the main reason this conversation started was because someone said he was, for the most part, largely responsible for the success of Thriller. What do you think??

Considering the album released before QJ got involved charted at 101 on the Billboard charts, I'd say yeah, not only was Jones responsible for the success of Thriller, but also for the comeback of Michael Jackson.

Oh, and I still think you're an ill-informed idiot.

CapitolG: zabadu: How can anyone construe that as a Michael Jackson reference?

well maybe he told them.....


Either way, this is not the kind of super showboating that goes on in the US.

I know, in the US the showboating is so much better

devilskware: First of all, you took the term "that crap" out of context. Let's substitute "that type of music" instead. And yes, I understand what a great producers job is. My point is that Quincy Jones, for whatever reason, does not have a lengthy resume as a producer. The majority of his production credits were in the sixties, and they were sporadic. He's hardly produced anything in the past 30 years. Why, in 50 years, does he only have 25 or so production credits? Either he wasn't willing to produce or people weren't picking him. Maybe he was already rich and famous as a record exec and performer and he didn't feel like producing. Or maybe he wasn't regarded as a world class producer until he produced Thriller. Nevertheless, his main job and legacy is not as a producer, although according to Wiki he's "best known as the producer of Thriller". His other accomplishments far outweigh the production aspect of his resume. ANd again, the main reason this conversation started was because someone said he was, for the most part, largely responsible for the success of Thriller. What do you think??

Also, Frank Farian was a joke. Although I do give him credit for being a sleazeball and duping the public into making him millions.

And no, I'm straight, but I don't see how you concluded I was gay. ??

Felony stupid

agoratrader: I didn't know there were black people in Canada.

No there aren't any. The Underground Railroad tunnelled under Canada and went into the Soviet Union.

And that's where the term Black Russian came from.

Katalyst: What are Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett getting for Christmas?

Patrick Swayze.

um... I don't get it. is it a jab at the fact that Patrick Swayze is probably dying or something?

/ignorant.
//that's ignorant. I know.

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