Nice headline troll, subby. I guess it's time for all the bad parents to call religous people crazy, so they can feel better about their daughters doing Oxy-contin and giving beej's on the school bus.

Heh, I'd guess the same people who would defend the right for parents to deny medical care for children for religious reasons would also be the first to condemn a parent who euthanized a terminally ill child to end their suffering.

SpeshilEdjukashin: See, there's this little thing called freedom of religion... It's a shame that activist judges don't believe in it anymore, because it is one of the main ideals that our country was founded on, and supposedly one of our "rights."

manimal2878: It's a shame if you belive in superstitious nonsense that you can get away with child abuse and neglect depending on what nonsense you believe in still.

yeah, this.

Withholding treatment for minor children who really have no choice is wrong.

Natural selection. What's the problem?

pwhp_67: See, there's this little thing called "revisionist history" where Christians live in this other reality. In that reality, the Founding Fathers were all devout Christians, probably Catholics, and they created this country for the Pope. That's why they were allowed to own slaves and keep women from voting: It's all in the Bible. Someday our public school system will be more explicit when teaching history and some of this nonsense will go away...


You do, of course, realize that most Christianists reject Catholicism and especially the Pope. Right?

I was born in 1974 and was given a 10% chance to live after my extreme right-wing devout Christian parents opted for emergency surgery when I was 3 days old, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

darwin answers my prayers occasionally

dead stupid people or dead spawn of stupid people still equals less stupid people

win!

I wonder how many childrens' lives have been saved by parents who used prayer rather than medicine. I'm guessing it's not "0", since there are all sorts of complications from medication, surgery, etc...

/not that I'm one of those "holistic healer" types. Just that, as with everything, we're only hearing one side of this story.

I think more kids than that have drowned in 5 gallon buckets.
275 children since 1984 (new window)

Question: How many times has it actually worked?

Note: Zero is an unacceptable answer, as the placebo effect is 100% accepted by the medical community and is in fact the benchmark of treatment effectiveness.



Question: How many kids died anyway or because of medicine?

But how many of them lived trollmitter?

zarberg: I was born in 1974 and was given a 10% chance to live after my extreme right-wing devout Christian parents opted for emergency surgery when I was 3 days old, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

what were the chances before surgery?
(glad you made it, cheers!)

To teach a child that ANY religion is the truth is child abuse. To allow a child to die because of your bat shiat crazy beliefs is murder.
Believe what you want, but when you start killing kids, all bets are off.

A kid in my school in 3rd grade died because his idiot parents decided that some old desert religion was going to save him. Didn't work.

I Said: SpeshilEdjukashin:

/honestly, 274 isn't THAT many
//I know, I know, "one is too many", but 274 over that stretch of time is hardly some epidemic


THIS. Only 274. That's a low number for a time span of over 30 years.

rcain: And of course the article makes no mention about the MILLIONS of children whose lives are saved by the power of prayer every day.

Seriously guys, Allah heals the wounded everyday, and nobody cares.

/not healing amputees is part of Allah's plan

SpeshilEdjukashin: See, there's this little thing called freedom of religion... It's a shame that activist judges don't believe in it anymore, because it is one of the main ideals that our country was founded on, and supposedly one of our "rights."

Yeah, there is freedom of religion. Nobody said anything about freedom to let your own kids die because you're an asshole. I bet those parents didn't skimp on the life insurance policy.

rcain: And of course the article makes no mention about the MILLIONS of children whose lives are saved by the power of prayer every day.

Wow...just, wow.

I wish more would die , Save the plant and school taxes.

Since 6:00 this morning, 274 children have died in other countries because they farking starved to death. God bless America

Submitter is a farking troll.

No way in the world the number is that low.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Had you earlier asked me to speculate on the numbers, I would have stated something in the high thousands. Considering it's a mere pittance - less than 10 kids a year out of more than 100 million - I'm inclined to care even less about this subject.

Let these religious people do what they want with their own offspring. This is why you have your own reproductive organs.

I wish all of humanity would fall terminally ill, and all religious zealots would simply pray for their wellness...

/but that is wishing too much

bride_of_adam_cole: I Said: SpeshilEdjukashin:

/honestly, 274 isn't THAT many
//I know, I know, "one is too many", but 274 over that stretch of time is hardly some epidemic


THIS. Only 274. That's a low number for a time span of over 30 years.

274 that died needlessly.

kronicfeld: What if your religion believes that it's okay to f*ck eight year olds?

If it means you have to marry her, it makes you the Prophet Mohammad.

rcain: And of course the article makes no mention about the MILLIONS of children whose lives are saved by the power of prayer every day.

LOL!

R.A.Danny: If any of these deaths were gonna happen anyway after long painful bouts of treatment, well I can't say prayer wasn't the right thing. Otherwise, yeah, charge the parents with neglect at the very least.

It's hard to say.

I wish my grandmother hadn't gone through chemotherapy. It was inevitable that she would have died of the cancer, when they discovered it, but I truly believe the chemotherapy ended her life faster than the cancer would have, and with much more unhappiness and illness than she would have had if she'd lived out her days and then been made as comfortable as possible when the cancer really did its thing.

I saw a vibrant woman, surprised to be diagnosed with cancer, literally fall to pieces in front of me as the treatment progressed. What was the point?

After that, I made a vow to myself that no matter what ever happened to me, I would never take a treatment like that, and would instead live as best I could, rather than risking dying anyway -- after some truly miserable treatment. There are a lot of valid reasons to not have modern medical care. I suppose it's different with a child, but not necessarily.

Anyway, as I said before, and others have said, 274 in 34 years is really nothing. Especially if you compare it to numbers who had treatment and died anyway because it wasn't effective, or who died because of the treatment, which certainly happens. What about people who died of AIDS after early blood transfusions? Even with all the precautions in place, I'd still be nervous if I was having a blood transfusion -- anything could happen, thanks to human error.

In general, I would go with modern medicine. Chemotherapy is a personal exception, after having seen what it does to people. But that doesn't mean I should tell other people how to live their lives and what to choose in terms of medical care. No more so than I want someone insisting I have treatments I don't want, or not having treatments I do need.

toonz: what were the chances before surgery?
(glad you made it, cheers!)

There was a part of my intestine that was 100% blocked, so I think my parents were told I would die for sure without the surgery.

And thank you, glad to be alive and trolling fark.com like the jerk I am.

Good.

The stupid little f*cks would've just been brainwashed into promoting the same ignorant, backwards thinking that their parents adhered to, thereby polluting humanity with another mouth-breathing, resource-consuming idiot. Let the child die, and let the parents deal with the remorse (assuming they even feel any).

I have no sympathy for these people whatsoever.

Agent Nick Fury: How many have died from doctor errors?
Or wrong medication?
Or getting hit by lightning?

THIS

I'm sure a lot more than 274 children have died while under a doctors care.

Some are going to die, no matter what is done.

torch: Over the same period about 8500 kids under 5 have drowned in swimming pools.
...and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know.

Yeah but their parents didn't friggin sit there and watch them drown and assume that an angel would save them.

The first death they mentioned was a one-year old who died of pneumonia. OH COME ON!

Am I the only one who thought there'd be a helluva lot more kids who've died this way?
What's the number if adults are included?

/was thinking a thousand, easy

How disappointing. That number is nowhere near high enough.

Mary_Contrary: Some are going to die, no matter what is done.

especially if you do nothing to care for the disease they have.

Religion is the problem. Logical people need to stand up to the crazies and point out their stupidity. While you may believe in an invisible sky wizard, I refuse to participate in your fantasy. Keep it to yourself.

No mention of hippies treating their children's illness with nuts and hemp oil?

/people die all the time, it's cycle.

rcain: And of course the article makes no mention about the MILLIONS of children whose lives are saved by the power of prayer every day.

10/10.

My girlfriend in college had a friend in high school, her best friend actually, that was a Jehovah's Witness. Girl got into a car accident, and needed a blood transfusion. That's it. That procedure would have saved her. Her parents let her die, as it was against their religion.

ne2d 2009-07-02 12:17:53 PM
Between 1990 and 2005, 292 children died in this country because their parents let them play with toys. God bless America.

Irwin Mainway would disagree with your theory.

/"Bag O' Broken Glass!"

Heamer: Good.

The stupid little f*cks would've just been brainwashed into promoting the same ignorant, backwards thinking that their parents adhered to, thereby polluting humanity with another mouth-breathing, resource-consuming idiot. Let the child die, and let the parents deal with the remorse (assuming they even feel any).

I have no sympathy for these people whatsoever.

That is not fair, I have several friends who escaped from just such families and are now happy, productive non believers.

Mary_Contrary: Some are going to die, no matter what is done.

That sounds like a good reason to do nothing to me!

284+ kids probably died of paper cut infections, too..

//that's a tiny number, even if most were almost certainly avoidable. I guess if you really place your faith in god, it makes sense, but have these people ever considered that maybe - just MAYBE - god gave us modern medicine?

I think the gene pool would benefit if all religious folks thought this way.

Is this the thread where people shiat on religion because some people don't fully understand the concept of faith so that must mean all religious people are insane backwards cavemen that believe in fairy tales and religion should be outlawed?

Christine Maggiore nods approvingly.

in other seemingly more important news......since 1975 hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of botched operations, bad drug reactions, inability to come out from anesthesia, etc...


/not saying you should refuse medical care
//but if it's all about numbers, far more children have died from accepting medical care
///it's not even close.

matto22: No mention of hippies treating their children's illness with nuts and hemp oil?

/people die all the time, it's cycle.

B-b-b-b-but marijuana is like vitamins?

Wait a minute...

We're getting choked up about eight people a year? Over the past thirty-four years? In a country of over three hundred million people?

Best not look at the traffic fatality statistics.

And if you think that it should be in some way easier or more important to reign in child deaths from religious belief than child deaths from, say, drunk or careless driving, then there's a great deal you need to learn about human nature. I'm not saying there's no solution... I am saying that there's not a lot of freedoms I'm willing to give up to solve the "the children of religious people very, very, very rarely die because of their family's beliefs" problem.

I'd rather give up the freedom to drive to stem the bloodletting on America's roads.

Wow, that almost comes close to the amount of kids that have died from drugs and surgeries in the name of science... Oh wait! Not even close.