i don't want the Cavs to go after 'Sheed. He's the ultimate chokejob when things aren't going his way. He doesn't play thru adversity, he self destructs and gets kicked out of the game.

T.rex: i don't want the Cavs to go after 'Sheed. He's the ultimate chokejob when things aren't going his way. He doesn't play thru adversity, he self destructs and gets kicked out of the game.

or about hes a power forward that doesn't play in the post. he just hangs out at the perimeter and jacks up threes, which is great when hes actually making them, but 3 out of 4 games he bricks all the ones he throws up.

Trevor Ariza please

skybreaker: or about hes a power forward that doesn't play in the post. he just hangs out at the perimeter and jacks up threes, which is great when hes actually making them, but 3 out of 4 games he bricks all the ones he throws up.

So he's the black Brian Scalabrine?

BrokenToilet: skybreaker: or about hes a power forward that doesn't play in the post. he just hangs out at the perimeter and jacks up threes, which is great when hes actually making them, but 3 out of 4 games he bricks all the ones he throws up.

So he's the black Brian Scalabrine?

If you guys were smart, you'd be going after Ron Ron

danny aige must be blowing all that championship money up his nose WTF!?

No way Rondo wants to play with all those greyhairs. He'll grab the long rebound and have to wait 15 minutes while the rest of his squad grabs their walkers and positions themselves in the post.

Ariza on the Cavs at SG would make Cleveland one helluva disruptive force on the defensive end. Balls McGrabby (Ariza) and Captain Opportunity (Bron). Even better if he continues to hit 3's at a decent clip, with his slashing ability he'd be a major improvement over Delonte (who is a decent player in his own right, just so damn small for the 2). Ariza is either the craftiest player in the history of the league or teams just flat out forget that he's on the court. I've never seen someone get so many uncontested 3 pointers. With Lebron's passing he'd get even more.

I'm not sure where 'Sheed fits with the Celtics. I guess it's more length off the bench (because 1-5 are pretty set unless we lose something). I'm betting Baby won't stay but we still have Powe and while he lacks length and a jumper he's as physical as they come (when healthy).

If 'Sheed is alright coming off the bench and will play hard in that situation then I can see it working out pretty well, though Powe will have a reduced roll and I've got some love for the guy. 'Sheed could also put minutes in at the 5 in order to give Perkins some rest.

I'd rather see a 2 or 3 who can score though. With a healthy Garnett I think we've got a good front court (though limited off the bench, unless we retain Baby somehow) but we get thin at 2 and 3 past the starters.

bostonowns: danny aige must be blowing all that championship money up his nose WTF!?

more like he built that team to win immediately and not to last. And now thats showing. from what I can tell, most Bostoners don't seem to care, they just hated how long it took to get a championship since the last Bird one. which really wasn't that long, they were just spoiled pre-merger.

Now he realizes hes stuck with crap for contracts and aging players that are breaking down finally.

/still thinks they will make one hell of a run this season
//will probably go see them play this year since I will be living 5 minutes from the west medford commuter rail stop

Sheed to Boston not a bad move. If they add him keep Marbury and go after Artest...it could be epic win for the entire NBA

ShadezofDis: I'm not sure where 'Sheed fits with the Celtics. I guess it's more length off the bench (because 1-5 are pretty set unless we lose something). I'm betting Baby won't stay but we still have Powe and while he lacks length and a jumper he's as physical as they come (when healthy).

If 'Sheed is alright coming off the bench and will play hard in that situation then I can see it working out pretty well, though Powe will have a reduced roll and I've got some love for the guy. 'Sheed could also put minutes in at the 5 in order to give Perkins some rest.

I'd rather see a 2 or 3 who can score though. With a healthy Garnett I think we've got a good front court (though limited off the bench, unless we retain Baby somehow) but we get thin at 2 and 3 past the starters.

If Sheed played for the Celtics, you would see Perkins sitting on the bench looking pissed off. Doc Rivers is that clueless.

BossHoss: No way Rondo wants to play with all those greyhairs. He'll grab the long rebound and have to wait 15 minutes while the rest of his squad grabs their walkers and positions themselves in the post.

Ariza on the Cavs at SG would make Cleveland one helluva disruptive force on the defensive end. Balls McGrabby (Ariza) and Captain Opportunity (Bron). Even better if he continues to hit 3's at a decent clip, with his slashing ability he'd be a major improvement over Delonte (who is a decent player in his own right, just so damn small for the 2). Ariza is either the craftiest player in the history of the league or teams just flat out forget that he's on the court. I've never seen someone get so many uncontested 3 pointers. With Lebron's passing he'd get even more.

You're way, way overestimating Ariza's ability to take it to the rack/shoot/generate offense. He is a product of the triangle offense. Ron would be a much, much better fit for the cavs. He can play SG too. He did it for the Rockets after McGrady went down.

redmid17: If you guys were smart, you'd be going after Ron Ron

They are from what I heard on the radio earlier (assuming you're talking about Cleveland). Have to admit, that'd be a pretty scary starting 5 for Cleveland. LeBron, Shaq, Artest, Williams and West. Plus Big Z, Varejao, and Joe Smith coming off the bench?

Isn't it interesting how teams this off season are basically going one of two ways. Either they're acquiring big name pieces like crazy and going for broke (Detroit, Cleveland possibly, maybe the Celts, Orlando, Wizards to some extent) or they're apparently just sitting back waiting for '10.

jayhawk88: redmid17: If you guys were smart, you'd be going after Ron Ron

They are from what I heard on the radio earlier (assuming you're talking about Cleveland). Have to admit, that'd be a pretty scary starting 5 for Cleveland. LeBron, Shaq, Artest, Williams and West. Plus Big Z, Varejao, and Joe Smith coming off the bench?

Isn't it interesting how teams this off season are basically going one of two ways. Either they're acquiring big name pieces like crazy and going for broke (Detroit, Cleveland possibly, maybe the Celts, Orlando, Wizards to some extent) or they're apparently just sitting back waiting for '10.

Yeah, I would be happy if the Pacers scored 75 points against that cavs team. Not because the D would be that sick, but because they would be able to milk the clock like hell

redmid17: If Sheed played for the Celtics, you would see Perkins sitting on the bench looking pissed off. Doc Rivers is that clueless.

A lot of Doc's rotations lend a whole ton of weight to your observation.

redmid17: He is a product of the triangle offense.

More like "He's the product of Kobe drawing a double 85% of the time". Ariza could work on the Cavs, assuming they don't expect him to put up 15 a night, which, with LeBron, Shaq, and Mo already on the team, they won't. Ariza is a great 4th option, kick-it-out-in-crunchtime, "Oh crap we forgot to guard him again" kind of guy. If he were to sign with somebody like Knicks or the Suns, he'd flame out spectacularly. But he could definitely work on the Cav's, and in fact could benefit them greatly, as not having any kind of size that can guard guys like Hedo and Lewis out on the perimeter is what killed the Cavs this year.

ACC, ACC, ACC!
Sign Christian Laetner, Mark Price, James Worthy and Ralph Sampson!

generaltimmy: ACC, ACC, ACC!
Sign Christian Laetner, Mark Price, James Worthy and Ralph Sampson!

and then Chris Duhon next year? and I think JJ is up soon.

Actually, JJ would be great off the bench for the Celtics.

jayhawk88: redmid17: He is a product of the triangle offense.

More like "He's the product of Kobe drawing a double 85% of the time". Ariza could work on the Cavs, assuming they don't expect him to put up 15 a night, which, with LeBron, Shaq, and Mo already on the team, they won't. Ariza is a great 4th option, kick-it-out-in-crunchtime, "Oh crap we forgot to guard him again" kind of guy. If he were to sign with somebody like Knicks or the Suns, he'd flame out spectacularly. But he could definitely work on the Cav's, and in fact could benefit them greatly, as not having any kind of size that can guard guys like Hedo and Lewis out on the perimeter is what killed the Cavs this year.

That does make sense. Ron Ron would definitely be a much better fit though. He's a better 3 pt. shooter (40% to 32%) and given that he wouldn't get to take as many dumb shuts, he would even get a higher percentage.

I wonder of Orlando should go after Ron Ron..

wonder if



/FTFM

whatever... as long as the Lakers lose both Ariza and Odom, i'll be happy...

/Go Spurs
//sign a big-man already!

threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

Wombatzu: threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

It's a good thing they took Johnny Flynn then. Maybe they're smarter than we thought.

1) Secure indefinite rights to Ricky Rubio
2) Draft starting PG

They can always trade #1 when they get the right offer.

lakers tried it back in 04.

expect a team collapse end of next season if this is the direction they are heading...

/go suns
//may have some shot at it with the way its looking

Penny Hardaway and Scottie Pippen are both available for the Celts! These idiots want to get rid of Rondo too!

redmid17: That does make sense. Ron Ron would definitely be a much better fit though. He's a better 3 pt. shooter (40% to 32%) and given that he wouldn't get to take as many dumb shuts, he would even get a higher percentage.

The only thing I would be worried about is chemistry. Shaq and LeBron are two pretty big ego's on that team already, adding Artest to the mix....He did a pretty good job of keeping his head right in Houston, but still.

Marbury and Sheed? They are making it difficult to be a fan.

jayhawk88: redmid17: That does make sense. Ron Ron would definitely be a much better fit though. He's a better 3 pt. shooter (40% to 32%) and given that he wouldn't get to take as many dumb shuts, he would even get a higher percentage.

The only thing I would be worried about is chemistry. Shaq and LeBron are two pretty big ego's on that team already, adding Artest to the mix....He did a pretty good job of keeping his head right in Houston, but still.

I think that Shaq and Lebron wouldn't have much problem keeping him in check. They are even more dominant alpha males than artest could dream to be, and they have a very good shot to win a championship. That's something Artest has always gotten on board for. Lastly, I forgot to mention that Mike Brown was a Pacers assistant back when Artest played for the team.

/plus they are both bigger than him

BossHoss: No way Rondo wants to play with all those greyhairs. He'll grab the long rebound and have to wait 15 minutes while the rest of his squad grabs their walkers and positions themselves in the post.

Ariza on the Cavs at SG would make Cleveland one helluva disruptive force on the defensive end. Balls McGrabby (Ariza) and Captain Opportunity (Bron). Even better if he continues to hit 3's at a decent clip, with his slashing ability he'd be a major improvement over Delonte (who is a decent player in his own right, just so damn small for the 2). Ariza is either the craftiest player in the history of the league or teams just flat out forget that he's on the court. I've never seen someone get so many uncontested 3 pointers. With Lebron's passing he'd get even more.

good analysis, and I love DeLonete, but his size is a problem sometimes

Gunny Highway: Marbury and Sheed? They are making it difficult to be a fan.

Well, Marbury hasn't really been a douche yet.

/That I've seen.

Wombatzu: threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

It actually could end up working out well for them. Who else were they going to take with that pick: Jordan Hill? Terrance Williams? DeMar DeRozan? Can you honestly convince yourself that any of those guys is going to be even a starter in 5 years, let alone an All Star? The draft was weak, they couldn't have gotten 10 cents on the dollar for that pick in trade.

Take Rubio, and who cares if he doesn't want to play for you and stays in Spain. Let him stew for a couple of years, he'll start to dominate the competition over there, and when he's finally ready to come on over you trade the rights for some picks in another, hopefully better, draft. If Rubio does well in whatever league he's in these next two years, it wouldn't be out of line to think that you could turn the rights to him to someone's first rounder, maybe even two first rounders in separate years.

ShadezofDis: Well, Marbury hasn't really been a douche yet.

It is true that he hasnt been a douche yet in Boston but he is a douche. It is very hard to root for him.

jayhawk88: Wombatzu: threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

It actually could end up working out well for them. Who else were they going to take with that pick: Jordan Hill? Terrance Williams? DeMar DeRozan? Can you honestly convince yourself that any of those guys is going to be even a starter in 5 years, let alone an All Star? The draft was weak, they couldn't have gotten 10 cents on the dollar for that pick in trade.

Take Rubio, and who cares if he doesn't want to play for you and stays in Spain. Let him stew for a couple of years, he'll start to dominate the competition over there, and when he's finally ready to come on over you trade the rights for some picks in another, hopefully better, draft. If Rubio does well in whatever league he's in these next two years, it wouldn't be out of line to think that you could turn the rights to him to someone's first rounder, maybe even two first rounders in separate years.

if they had taken Curry, they could have bent the Suns, Warriors, Knicks, and maybe a few other teams over a barrel. or they could have had a combo of Flynn and Curry, which might not win a lot of games but it might put butts in seats. right now they have the rights to a guy who might be good one day and may play in the NBA if he likes your city. they out-clever-ed themselves.

Lakers fan here. Honestly I didn't see Marbury do a whole lot for the Celts. I can't remember the last time ANYBODY improved his free agent stock like Ariza did this year. I mean they got him for Brian Cook and another stiff from Orlando.

in other news the Heat is talking to Allen Iverson... the Wade/Iverson back-court... make this happen!

Wombatzu: if they had taken Curry, they could have bent the Suns, Warriors, Knicks, and maybe a few other teams over a barrel. or they could have had a combo of Flynn and Curry,

You know I just don't think even a guy like Curry, who you're right a lot of teams liked, is just that good that teams would have moved heaven and earth to acquire. One thing to draft him, but would any of those teams really offered that much to get him from the Wolves? I know the Knicks made a little noise about getting him from the Warriors but they couldn't have been making much of an offer. Realistically, what would the deal with the Knicks have been for Curry had they taken him: the rights to Jordan Hill and Quentin Richardson? Not exactly a blockbuster deal there.

Rubio's rights are going to be far more valuable at a later date than then Curry, or anything they could have gotten for him.

dobedobeDUE: Lakers fan here. Honestly I didn't see Marbury do a whole lot for the Celts. I can't remember the last time ANYBODY improved his free agent stock like Ariza did this year. I mean they got him for Brian Cook and another stiff from Orlando.

In other news, you still don't know about Paul Millsap, Hedo Turkoglo, Charlie Villanueva, or Ramon Sessions

moistD: generaltimmy: ACC, ACC, ACC!
Sign Christian Laetner, Mark Price, James Worthy and Ralph Sampson!

and then Chris Duhon next year? and I think JJ is up soon.

Actually, JJ would be great off the bench for the Celtics.

Duhon has had a much better career than I thought he would have. Even though the Knicks give dumb money, he has been okay

Wombatzu: whatever... as long as the Lakers lose both Ariza and Odom, i'll be happy...

/Go Spurs
//sign a big-man already!

threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

It's looking like the Lakers are signing Ron Artest tonight (see: Ariza wanting to be paid more than they can offer). I think this allows them to keep Odom too.

overdark: Wombatzu: whatever... as long as the Lakers lose both Ariza and Odom, i'll be happy...

/Go Spurs
//sign a big-man already!

threadjack: Rubio is staying in Spain to finish out the last two years of his contract. lol Wolves

It's looking like the Lakers are signing Ron Artest tonight (see: Ariza wanting to be paid more than they can offer). I think this allows them to keep Odom too.

no one can officially sign until the 8th, and i haven't heard any source for this other than Artest himself, so i'm not buying it yet.

also i can't believe the Lakers would do this to themselves... why let Ariza walk and then pick up a ball-chucking head case? as a Spurs fan, i love it, but i'm not buying it yet.

and if this is true and Artest signs for the MLE, i guess they can pay Odom. but does Odom want to play behind yet another huge ego in LA? if he gets a decent offer from anyone else, i bet he bolts.

Odom and Artest were friends growing up.

Would rather have Ariza but it seems like he's intent on signing elsewhere (including the rumors of taking the same amount the Lakers offered to play in Cleveland)

NotEric: Would rather have Ariza but it seems like he's intent on signing elsewhere (including the rumors of taking the same amount the Lakers offered to play in Cleveland)

Well he's probably tired about hearing how he can't win a championship without Kobe.

NotEric: Odom and Artest were friends growing up.

Would rather have Ariza but it seems like he's intent on signing elsewhere (including the rumors of taking the same amount the Lakers offered to play in Cleveland)

i wouldn't necessarily want to work with some of the friends i had growing up... the only thing the Lakers have going for them as far as keeping Odom is concerned is the fact that all the real contenders don't have anything besides the MLE to offer.

imagine putting up with Kobe's bullshiat for years and then you find out you have to put up with Kobe and Ron Ron's bullshiat.

and Ariza has agreed to go to Houston...

Kobe and Artest are gonna go get that ice cream they discussed during the playoffs.

Gunny Highway: ShadezofDis: Well, Marbury hasn't really been a douche yet.

It is true that he hasnt been a douche yet in Boston but he is a douche. It is very hard to root for him.

This is what you spend the beginning of your 4th of July weekend doing? Debating the "doucheyness" of Marbury? Dude, you should get to know the opposite gender sometime!

Gunny Highway: It is true that he hasnt been a douche yet in Boston but he is a douche. It is very hard to root for him.

Then it's a blessing he's been mostly invisible.