SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

I'm sure somebody has already said this, but:

They deserve ridiculing. Every last one of them.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

Pardon me while I point and laugh at you. Hahahahahahaha.

Sabyen91:

But you said he released something better than the original so I am really not sure what your complaint is.

To get a passport, he would probably need the new one. To prove qualifications for president, the background check included seeing the original. No complaints, just stating the obvious.

badhatharry: Sabyen91:

But you said he released something better than the original so I am really not sure what your complaint is.

To get a passport, he would probably need the new one. To prove qualifications for president, the background check included seeing the original. No complaints, just stating the obvious.

Yet you are saying there are valid questions. There aren't, from your own statements. People are not afraid of talking about this, they are sick of the stupidity of the birthers.

Sabyen91: badhatharry: Sabyen91:

But you said he released something better than the original so I am really not sure what your complaint is.

To get a passport, he would probably need the new one. To prove qualifications for president, the background check included seeing the original. No complaints, just stating the obvious.

Yet you are saying there are valid questions. There aren't, from your own statements. People are not afraid of talking about this, they are sick of the stupidity of the birthers.

I think that is why the original birth certificate is not mentioned, except very briefly, on snopes and in articles like this. It would just add fuel to the birthers. I disagree with that point of view. Which is why I take so much abuse on Fark. If you go back to the beginning of the thread, I took a lot of heat for just mentioning the fact that an original existed.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Sabyen91:

But you said he released something better than the original so I am really not sure what your complaint is.

To get a passport, he would probably need the new one. To prove qualifications for president, the background check included seeing the original. No complaints, just stating the obvious.

Yet you are saying there are valid questions. There aren't, from your own statements. People are not afraid of talking about this, they are sick of the stupidity of the birthers.

I think that is why the original birth certificate is not mentioned, except very briefly, on snopes and in articles like this. It would just add fuel to the birthers. I disagree with that point of view. Which is why I take so much abuse on Fark. If you go back to the beginning of the thread, I took a lot of heat for just mentioning the fact that an original existed.

You take heat because it doesn't matter. It is settled. Obama is a citizen. That is proven. To deny it is stupid and WND is leading the retard-parade. It is silly.

Hoopido: Dil Doe: Let all 400,000 people touch and feel it? Put it in a museum? Send it across the country on a whistle stop tour?

No, but when the Death Certificate comes out it would be great to see.

That kind of shiat gets the Secret Service knocking on your door.

badhatharry: I think that is why the original birth certificate is not mentioned, except very briefly, on snopes and in articles like this. It would just add fuel to the birthers. I disagree with that point of view. Which is why I take so much abuse on Fark. If you go back to the beginning of the thread, I took a lot of heat for just mentioning the fact that an original existed.

I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore. Are you persisting in the notion that the "birthers" would somehow pack up their loony tents and go home if a copy of this original birth certificate was published? You have to know that they'd just dismiss it as a fraud and continue with the crazy.

You keep pointing out that he hasn't released the original birth certificate, then you agree that what he has released is incontrivertable proof and the original isn't necessary.

You keep acting like Obama is hiding something. He produced a valid, legal, official birth certificate. Do you really expect him to fly to Hawaii on Air Force One, march over to the state health building, make a photocopy of his birth certificate and post it online? All that would do is lend credibility to a moronic argument made by his staunchest, most batshiate crazy critics who would immediately dismiss whatever proof he provided. Oh, and it would be a complete waste of time for the leader of the free world, wasting piles of taxpayer money on all the supporting staff needed for a presidential trip.

What would the point be?

Ceiling Moran: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

I'm sure somebody has already said this, but:

They deserve ridiculing. Every last one of them.

That's what I used to think. When I first heard that people were questioning Obama's citizenship, I thought it was ridiculous too. I thought that Obama would put the whole silly issue to rest by simply releasing his original birth certificate.

Now, after all the resisting, obfuscating and stonewalling, all the lame excuses and smoke screens, reasonable people are beginning to wonder what's going on here. Why not just release the original document and be done with it?

Don't tell me that he can't do it because "birthers" will never be satisfied. That's just another lame excuse. Release the document already.

logruszed: As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.

StopArrestingMe is a gimmick troll. All his posts follow a theme, hiding (sometimes well, sometimes not), for instance, movie titles in a certain genre, song titles from a certain band, animal names, etc, throughout the post. He's not serious.

Printboy though. . . yeah, fark him.

SkinnyHead: Ceiling Moran: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

I'm sure somebody has already said this, but:

They deserve ridiculing. Every last one of them.

That's what I used to think. When I first heard that people were questioning Obama's citizenship, I thought it was ridiculous too. I thought that Obama would put the whole silly issue to rest by simply releasing his original birth certificate.

Now, after all the resisting, obfuscating and stonewalling, all the lame excuses and smoke screens, reasonable people are beginning to wonder what's going on here. Why not just release the original document and be done with it?

Don't tell me that he can't do it because "birthers" will never be satisfied. That's just another lame excuse. Release the document already.

Or you could just look at the law, something you are supposedly an expert in. But you aren't so you can't.

RemyDuron: logruszed: As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.

StopArrestingMe is a gimmick troll. All his posts follow a theme, hiding (sometimes well, sometimes not), for instance, movie titles in a certain genre, song titles from a certain band, animal names, etc, throughout the post. He's not serious.

Printboy though. . . yeah, fark him.

printboy is almost ignoreworthy.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

...He has released the only document necessary to prove his citizenship. It is admissible in any court in the country. Why would he or should he release anything else? And why should he have to explain himself for it? He's done everything by the book, and anyone so colossally stupid they they continue to propagate this myth does not deserve the President's time.

all_arm: badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

...He has released the only document necessary to prove his citizenship. It is admissible in any court in the country. Why would he or should he release anything else? And why should he have to explain himself for it? He's done everything by the book, and anyone so colossally stupid they they continue to propagate this myth does not deserve the President's time.

He already admitted all that and said it was enough. I am at a loss to what his real argument is. It seems to me he is pissed that people get pissed when it is brought up when he, himself knows it is a BS story.

SkinnyHead: Don't tell me that he can't do it because "birthers" will never be satisfied.

He can't do it because "Birthers" will never be satisfied.

all_arm: ...He has released the only document necessary to prove his citizenship. It is admissible in any court in the country. Why would he or should he release anything else? And why should he have to explain himself for it? He's done everything by the book, and anyone so colossally stupid they they continue to propagate this myth does not deserve the President's time.

That's the part I don't get. If it's good enough for the judicial system, shouldn't it be good enough for everyone?

/Can't believe I went out, came back, and this thread is still going

SupremeLeader: Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Obama should release any records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?

Let's paraphrase that and see if you still hold to that point of view:

Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Bush should release any [Texas Air National Guards] records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?

Alien Robot: SupremeLeader: Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Obama should release any records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?

Let's paraphrase that and see if you still hold to that point of view:

Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Bush should release any [Texas Air National Guards] records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?

So, did the Dems keep it up after the election? No? K. Shut up.

FreakinB: That's the part I don't get. If it's good enough for the judicial system, shouldn't it be good enough for everyone?

That's a good question. Just because evidence is admissible to prove a point does not mean that it is sufficient proof.

There's a maxim of law stated by the US Supreme Court in Clifton v. United States, 45 U.S. 242 (1846) that goes like this:

"...if the weaker and less satisfactory evidence is given and relied on in support of a fact, when it is apparent to the court and jury that proof of a more direct and explicit character was within the power of the party, the same caution which rejects the secondary evidence will awaken distrust and suspicion of the weaker and less satisfactory...

That's why people are questioning why Obama relies on the "weaker and less satisfactory" evidence (computer-generated Certification of Live Birth) when it is within his power to produce "proof of a more direct and explicit character" (original Certificate of Live Birth). Doing that tends to "awaken distrust and suspicion of the weaker and less satisfactory evidence."

Cataholic: To claim that Obama cannot obtain his own records is patently absurd...especially if you are going to claim it violates his own privacy.

There is one circumstance where this is true. If Obama were adopted by Lolo Soetoro then his original birth certificate would have been sealed from him so that he could not find out his birth father (except under certain circumstances) to protect the privacy of the birth parent. If it were sealed in that way, there would be a replacement certificate generated with his new adopted name and the dKOS infamous "Certification of Live Birth" would have shown Soetoro as his last name. But it didn't (and some are even arguing he was never adopted!) so that's out.

Hunter_S_Thompson: 3. This document, which is legally valid and correct, has been presented as evidence of Obama's citizenship, and under the law this is good enough.

This is not true. dKos posting a jpg is not "presenting evidence" of anything. Obama has fought long and hard to not have to "present evidence" in any of the court cases that have attempted to get him to "present such evidence." "Presenting evidence" would entail handing a COLB such as that shown at dKos to a judge in a court. He has not done that.

And "the law" in each state only required that he, or a representative of his, check a check box attesting to his citizenship when he filed to be on the ballot in each of the 50 states. He did that. But there is no mechanism (or requirement) that he provide verification of that attestation. His word is good enough (in the eyes of the law as it currently stands anyway).

all_arm: ...He has released the only document necessary to prove his citizenship. It is admissible in any court in the country.

Yet he fought to not admit that very document to any of the courts hearing the cases filed challenging his citizenship.

badhatharry: I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

It was also an issue with McCain -- so much so in fact that the Senate felt it needed to pass a resolution recognizing McCain's citizenhip!

S.RES.511: A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Which group is worse - birthers or young earth creationists?

Alien Robot: Yet he fought to not admit that very document to any of the courts hearing the cases filed challenging his citizenship.

Because giving credence to a farce makes it no longer a farce.

Again, cf. this:

Every time it is addressed, the conspiracy gets deeper and deeper in the birfer's minds. The St. Pete Times does a better job of summing up the ridiculousness of the conspiracy in saying that the state DOH would have to place ads in two separate Hawaii newspapers announcing a native birth (placing the baby under jus soli citizenship, whether or not his parents were citizens) on the off chance that this one baby in hundreds of millions might eventually want to run for and become President of the United States.

In case you're wondering at the depth of the ridiculousness of that, in the year of Barack Obama's birth, 1961, the US population was 183,691,481 and growing. The Hawaii DOH would have to conspire to make one baby in a population of 183,691,481, plus the population growth of 35 years, the minimum age to be president, be eligible. Assuming no population growth over the period of eligibility, that's still only 0.000000544391059702981% chance he will ever attain that, predicted a minimum of 35 years in advance, hoping he attains qualifications, avoids an early death, etc.

That's one hell of a retarded conspiracy.

The vastness of the stupidity of the conspiracy is astounding.

You reference earlier Bush's Texas Air National Guard legacy. There is a prime difference; first it is attested by several personnel on location at the time that he was not present, compared to the attestation of the State of Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. Second, Bush' record was salient at the time because of claims made by various factions about who was fit to serve and for what reasons. Obama, for example, did not claim McCain was excluded because of his Panama Canal Zone birth. Last, there is no doubt but in the minds of the most deluded that Obama is a natural born citizen.

It is only the unreasonable imaginations of conspiracy theorists that Obama is foreign-born. I used to work with the mentally ill as a health care worker in a private care home, coupled with a minor in psychology. Not as well-versed as a person who has been in private or clinical practice or studies, but by a quirk of the film theories program I majored in I ironically have more credits in psych than most psychology majors do.

I know well enough from a load of educational and a touch of practical experience the very, very deep delusions a good paranoid person can suffer from, some imagined and unfalsifiable hypothesis always around the corner to refute whatever logical concept you present them with, always ready to rectify reality with their delusions.

My above argument is no different than when I asked a Truther how Todd Beamer made a call verified by the operator and his family if everybody aboard his flight had been killed (his answer was "Terminator voice imitation") or how when I asked an anti-semite who though he was the creator of the Universe, was Hitler, and had sent himself to earth as Hitler why he created the Jews if he hated them so much.

No matter what you confront these people -- and you, given that you're defending them here -- with, the answers get more and more paranoid. The depth of the conspiracy -- and its purposefulness -- is ridiculous.

Alien Robot: It was also an issue with McCain -- so much so in fact that the Senate felt it needed to pass a resolution recognizing McCain's citizenhip!

S.RES.511: A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Which you will notice was submitted on behalf of, amongst others, Senator Obama. The Panama Canal Zone may have (dubiously) been a questionable place of birth, the State of Hawaii is not.

tryptik: Which group is worse - birthers or young earth creationists?

Birthers, by far. At least YECs can always say the dinosaurs and distant stars are tricks from God to test the faith. At least there's some twisted sense to their nonsense. That's some Old Testament Book of Job shiat God's pulling, according to the YECs. Birthers though? They think that 48 years ago the State of Hawaii cooked up the laziest and most pointless conspiracy simply to spite them personally.

Dr. Mojo PhD: tryptik: Which group is worse - birthers or young earth creationists?

Birthers, by far. At least YECs can always say the dinosaurs and distant stars are tricks from God to test the faith. At least there's some twisted sense to their nonsense. That's some Old Testament Book of Job shiat God's pulling, according to the YECs. Birthers though? They think that 48 years ago the State of Hawaii cooked up the laziest and most pointless conspiracy simply to spite them personally.

It's like the "Manchurian Candidate", but retarded. A single mom raising a son who's dad is an immigrant from Africa. This whole thing is generated from pure butthurt.

CynicalLA: Dr. Mojo PhD: tryptik: Which group is worse - birthers or young earth creationists?

Birthers, by far. At least YECs can always say the dinosaurs and distant stars are tricks from God to test the faith. At least there's some twisted sense to their nonsense. That's some Old Testament Book of Job shiat God's pulling, according to the YECs. Birthers though? They think that 48 years ago the State of Hawaii cooked up the laziest and most pointless conspiracy simply to spite them personally.

It's like the "Manchurian Candidate", but retarded. A single mom raising a son who's dad is an immigrant from Africa. This whole thing is generated from pure butthurt.

Anyone got some Preparation H(awaii)?

I'll support the Obama Birth Certificate cause once I see a negative drug test done on our last sitting president, who has admitted to using coke in the past.

dave2198: I'll support the Obama Birth Certificate cause once I see a negative drug test done on our last sitting president, who has admitted to using coke in the past.

So has Obama. He wrote about using cocaine when he was young in "Dreams of my Father."

I don't believe I've seen so much stupid in one place before.
Every time I think of Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi as president I pray for Mr. Obama's health.
When the birthers ask to see the "long version" of Mr. Obama's "vault copy" of his birth certificate, they are not requesting to see the certificate of live birth, which is a completely different document.
The vault copy of the birth certificate is signed by the doctor who delivered the baby, it is witnessed by the head nurse in attendance, it bears the childs footprints, it is notorised it notes the name of the parents, the race of the infant, it's weight, and length.
It is not illegal for the named individual to publish the certified copies of this form.
Any citizen of the United States is by definition an "interested person".
A number of stories on Rense.com name many lawsuits filed in the interest of discovery of the true details and location of Mr. Obama's birth.
At this point I seriously doubt our country could be strengthened by proving Mr. Obama was born in Kenya.
When the anti-birthers attack birthers personally they expose a critical weakness in thier argument, the same weakness is shown when only partial information concerning rules and regulations are posted.
I take no position on this issue. I fully support our president though I did not vote for him. As an American I feel I have a duty to encourage our president in his efforts to bail out, and right the ship of state.
As some may remember, there was outright looting of the wealth of our country as the last administration prepared to leave office.
I am concerned that certain investigations have not been launched.
I believe Mr. Obama is doing his level best to stop this country's headlong rush toward the road to ruin.
We are fortunate that we still have the freedom to question our public servants, but there is a time and place for all things, and now is no time to detract and distract the current administration's attention.
And this is certainly not the place.
Fark is a community of kindred spirits, I'd like to think we are for the most part friends.
Please shake hands and drop the B.S.. There are plenty of political sites where hatred is the order of the day, let's keep it light here ok?
So my fellow Farkers, have a brew, toke a few, and let the good times roll.
IE: Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

Thai Mai Xhu: wall o text

Cool story bro.

Ken at Popehat: My logic professor (yes, I took logic. Bite me.) said that conspiracy theories are ultimately impenetrable, and that it's pointless to argue with them, just like it's pointless to argue with someone who thinks that the light in the fridge is turned on and off by a little man who lives in the crisper.

See, you start by assuming that the little man is good at hiding, and that powerful forces -- uh, say, Big Freon -- don't want you to know how fridges actually work.

So -- there's a little man. Never saw him? He hides. Doesn't show up in X-rays? He's VERY. GOOD. AT. HIDING. No records of such a little man, or little men, existing? Big Freon destroyed them. Scientists explain it's impossible? Scientists in thrall to grants from Big Freon. It's illogical? Your "logic" is based on your prejudices. He'd get cold? He has a coat.

And so on.

Very true, but if we all followed your logic then stuff like logruszed's killer line vs skinnyhead would never have happened, so their are positives to playing with the nutcases.

He was born to an American Father Frank Marshall Davis.

Not the gary coleman looking one. Look at the pictures, look at the lines on his upper lip. Chop that up with your ockham's razor and snort it like a jive talkin occidental undergrad.

sn0r: .

Oops.. theories and arguments. It's Friday though, so I think I'm entitled to a few spelling mistakes.

/Grammar-nazi self-own.
//Sad, I know.

House of Tards: Thai Mai Xhu: wall o text

Cool story bro.

Thank You.
Hope you have a safe and fun 4th of July!
I got some rockets only a tiny bit smaller than scud missiles, gonna be fun and dangerous!

vomitsmuggler: He was born to an American Father Frank Marshall Davis.

Not the gary coleman looking one. Look at the pictures, look at the lines on his upper lip. Chop that up with your ockham's razor and snort it like a jive talkin occidental undergrad.

It may come as a surprise to you but genetic traits can skip a generation. Show me the grandparents too.

SkinnyHead: Why not just release the original document and be done with it?

How would you carry that out technically? It's an official state record held by the state of Hawaii. It can't be removed. All they could do would be to make a photocopy of it. They have already affirmed the Certification of Live Birth is an official document that validates Obama's birth.

Birthers argue that the Certification of Live Birth already released is fake. Why would they accept a photocopy of the original document in the archives of the state of Hawaii? If they were somehow ushered into the hall of records and shown the original, do you think that they would accept it?

I'll stop here. Others can suggest their responses. Be creative.

badhatharry: Something stinks in Denmark.

I had chili beans.

SkinnyHead: Don't tell me that he can't do it because "birthers" will never be satisfied. That's just another lame excuse. Release the document already.

Dude, he can't get a copy of the original because Hawaii doesn't release the "long form birth certificate". Simple matter of fact.

The truth about Obama's birth certificate. (new window)

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

jules_siegel: SkinnyHead: Why not just release the original document and be done with it?

How would you carry that out technically? It's an official state record held by the state of Hawaii. It can't be removed. All they could do would be to make a photocopy of it. They have already affirmed the Certification of Live Birth is an official document that validates Obama's birth.

Birthers argue that the Certification of Live Birth already released is fake. Why would they accept a photocopy of the original document in the archives of the state of Hawaii? If they were somehow ushered into the hall of records and shown the original, do you think that they would accept it?

I'll stop here. Others can suggest their responses. Be creative.

Of course you can't release the original document. But you can release a photocopy of it, certified by the records clerk that it is a true photocopy of the document.

I'm sure some overly suspicious people will question the authenticity of the photocopy. So what? That's no reason to conceal the document.

SkinnyHead: Of course you can't release the original document. But you can release a photocopy of it, certified by the records clerk that it is a true photocopy of the document.

Hawaii doesn't release that document in any form to anyone.
There is no mechanism for requesting a photocopy of the form.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth,

385,949.
How do you know they're citizens? Have you seen their long form birth certificates?
They could be foreign instigators, trying to destabilise the American government for their own nefarious purposes. Or for shiats and giggles.

/foreigner
//may have signed the petition
///was really drunk at the time

SkinnyHead:
Of course you can't release the original document. But you can release a photocopy of it, certified by the records clerk that it is a true photocopy of the document.

Then it should be easy.

Get a birther from HI to show how easy that is. You keep saying it can be done. Show us.

Better yet, explain why, after a year of this crap-slinging, nobody has produced a HI birth certificate that they obtained from the HI DOH vital statistics, in the manner you say is possible. There should be websites filled with them, but I haven't seen one yet.

If it's so easy, get your HI birfer to walk into the records vault, acquire the original, and photocopy it as you say. Then maybe I'll believe you over the Hawaiians.

keithgabryelski: Dude, he can't get a copy of the original because Hawaii doesn't release the "long form birth certificate". Simple matter of fact.

True, according to DOH policy, if you make an ordinary request or a birth certificate, you're going to get the computer-generated short-form. But that doesn't mean that the long-form original is secret or inaccessible.

Hawaii has a state law version of the FOIA, called the Hawaii Open Records Law. A provision of that law allows you to examine and copy any document held by the state that pertains to you, unless there is a reason for the state to withhold the document from you. All he has to do is make a request for a copy of the original birth certificate under that law. He should do that now, and clear this all up.

boob_lady: Is my son less of a U.S. citizen because he only has an official copy of his birth certificate and not the original?

No, but he has a mother/father that has severe reading disabilities.

SkinnyHead: There's a maxim of law stated by the US Supreme Court in Clifton v. United States, 45 U.S. 242 (1846) that goes like this:
"...if the weaker and less satisfactory evidence is given and relied on in support of a fact, when it is apparent to the court and jury that proof of a more direct and explicit character was within the power of the party, the same caution which rejects the secondary evidence will awaken distrust and suspicion of the weaker and less satisfactory...
That's why people are questioning why Obama relies on the "weaker and less satisfactory" evidence (computer-generated Certification of Live Birth) when it is within his power to produce "proof of a more direct and explicit character" (original Certificate of Live Birth). Doing that tends to "awaken distrust and suspicion of the weaker and less satisfactory evidence."

Except that the courts, and ALL REASONABLE THINKING PEOPLE accept the birth certificate already provided as valid, legal and sufficient. As has been quoted repeatedly in this thread, Hawaiian officials say the birth certificate already published is just as valid and satisfactory as any other form of birth certificate he could get.

That's why the courts have summarily thrown out all the frivilous lawsuits morans like you keep filing.

/took two law classes in college
//doesn't make me an attorney, but it taught me enough to know a fraud when I see one

SkinnyHead: Now, after all the resisting, obfuscating and stonewalling, all the lame excuses and smoke screens evidence provided, reasonable people mentally ill or unredeemably stupid people are beginning to wonder what's going on here.

/ftfy