badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.


Are you kidding me? who is afraid to talk about it, the Governor of Hawaii? the courts? Who?

Let me explain something. There is a point when a conspiracy theory becomes so pointless, proven so wrong, so void of validity that the ones perpetuating the theory are no longer considered rational.

This has become the case here.

This isn't really about Obama, it's about a mindset that mountains of evidence all must be faked in some way. The theory can never be proven otherwise. Do you honestly think that they would stop even if they broke into the vault of the Hawaiian DoH and stole the birth certificate?

It would be considered another forgery, because their theory is their religion, it's grown to mythic proportions in their mind. They will continue their Jihad and no one will ever change their minds.

There are people in this world who think that Elvis is alive, that aliens built the pyramids, that there was no Holocaust, that no plane flew into the Pentagon, that there was a 2nd gunman in Dallas and we never went to the moon. There is no way that these people will be convinced.

These are all the same type of people, they consider us gullible, yet they believe every hare-brained argument that supports their theory. They are no different than religious zealots who think that only they themselves have absolute truth.

They are no different than the ones who drank the Kool-Aid in Guyana. The theory is God to them.

badhatharry: No original document seen. Give this guy a Pulitzer!

I don't believe I'm feeding the troll either, what part of "as far as the law and any law-abiding, reasonable citizen is concerned, that IS the farking original" don't you understand?

badhatharry: From link
"At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth - original, corroborating documents."

Then,

"And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?"

No original document seen. Give this guy a Pulitzer!

You realize they were referring to the COLB (which was confirmed to Politifact as Obama's valid birth cert by the HI DOH), a picture of which is on that very page you farking moron.

Give this guy his Risperdal!

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

badhatharry: I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

As I said before, Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

(To which you responded, "The author of this article,who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth." Which you just admitted you were wrong about.)

RadicalMiddle: badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.


Are you kidding me? who is afraid to talk about it, the Governor of Hawaii? the courts? Who?

Let me explain something. There is a point when a conspiracy theory becomes so pointless, proven so wrong, so void of validity that the ones perpetuating the theory are no longer considered rational.

This has become the case here.

This isn't really about Obama, it's about a mindset that mountains of evidence all must be faked in some way. The theory can never be proven otherwise. Do you honestly think that they would stop even if they broke into the vault of the Hawaiian DoH and stole the birth certificate?

It would be considered another forgery, because their theory is their religion, it's grown to mythic proportions in their mind. They will continue their Jihad and no one will ever change their minds.

There are people in this world who think that Elvis is alive, that aliens built the pyramids, that there was no Holocaust, that no plane flew into the Pentagon, that there was a 2nd gunman in Dallas and we never went to the moon. There is no way that these people will be convinced.

These are all the same type of people, they consider us gullible, yet they believe every hare-brained argument that supports their theory. They are no different than religious zealots who think that only they themselves have absolute truth.

They are no different than the ones who drank the Kool-Aid in Guyana. The theory is God to them.

WTF is your point? That there is no original birth certificate. That Obama can't get a copy. Or that space aliens stole it.

badhatharry: Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

Can He?

badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

You are wrong about a lot, it seems. This is a settled issue, not some seething cauldron that WND seems it is.

badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

Dude, really. Go out and bang your chick or something. You're detached from the reality of the fact that Obama is President, the law says his certificate is valid, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I love birther threads. We should have more of them.

Hmm the Friday wank-a-thon is a day early.

badhatharry: Com-un-sense: badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

Read my last post. Despite the all the evidence to the contrary, you are still taking that position. If you want newspapers to talk about where he was born, the Honolulu papers did, 48 years ago. I showed you proof of that already.

Oh, but that does get in the way of your religion, so pay no attention to it. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, there's no turning back, is there?

Doctor Funkenstein: More than a year later, the debate continues to rage on the Internet among the "Birthers" movement

I don't think stupid qualifies as a movement.

a bowel movement, perhaps

SkinnyHead: Industrial grade WHARRGARBL

Until you post proof of your GED in Law, you don't have shiat to say about this, or any other subject.

But especially this one.

/you are a fake, and a creationist

jules_siegel: I love birther threads. We should have more of them.

Personally, I'd like to see a truther thread featuring a reptilian conspiracy theme.

Hunter_S_Thompson: badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

Dude, really. Go out and bang your chick or something. You're detached from the reality of the fact that Obama is President, the law says his certificate is valid, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't want to change that. The certificate is valid. More valid, in fact, than the original.

RadicalMiddle: badhatharry: Com-un-sense: badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

Read my last post. Despite the all the evidence to the contrary, you are still taking that position. If you want newspapers to talk about where he was born, the Honolulu papers did, 48 years ago. I showed you proof of that already.

Oh, but that does get in the way of your religion, so pay no attention to it. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, there's no turning back, is there?

We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

badhatharry: Hunter_S_Thompson: badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Moving the goalposts I see. What happened to them covering up the original's existence?

I was wrong about that. I didn't read the link in the article. I just thought is was strange that they didn't mention the original in the latest article. Still doesn't change the fact that an original exists and Obama can get a copy of it.

Dude, really. Go out and bang your chick or something. You're detached from the reality of the fact that Obama is President, the law says his certificate is valid, and there's nothing you can do to change that.

I don't want to change that. The certificate is valid. More valid, in fact, than the original.

RadicalMiddle: badhatharry: Com-un-sense: badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

Read my last post. Despite the all the evidence to the contrary, you are still taking that position. If you want newspapers to talk about where he was born, the Honolulu papers did, 48 years ago. I showed you proof of that already.

Oh, but that does get in the way of your religion, so pay no attention to it. Once you drink the Kool-Aid, there's no turning back, is there?

We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?

badhatharry:
WTF is your point? That there is no original birth certificate. That Obama can't get a copy. Or that space aliens stole it.

The point is, despite the FACT, that he can't get the original, any more than I could get my original from Pennsylvania, you still don't get that he has legal proof that he was born here.

About 10 years ago, I sent for a news birth certificate, it was a computer printout, created 10 years ago, a legal document that says, hey I was born here. When I've needed to use it it's never been questioned. Why was it printed out with a computer, it's because I can't have the original.

Call your own birth state and try to get your original birth certificate. It isn't possible. They won't let you take it.

But that doesn't matter, because if you saw his original, you still won't believe it. It's against the religion of the conspiracy theory.

badhatharry:

We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

Then what on earth are you talking about?

We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

jules_siegel: I love birther threads. We should have more of them.

Normally I can't stand these types of things, but I'm utterly fascinated.

badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

Oh, but you know he has legally proven his citizenship (as you have admitted). You are trolling?

badhatharry: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

Another simple question: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

RadicalMiddle: badhatharry:
WTF is your point? That there is no original birth certificate. That Obama can't get a copy. Or that space aliens stole it.

The point is, despite the FACT, that he can't get the original, any more than I could get my original from Pennsylvania, you still don't get that he has legal proof that he was born here.

About 10 years ago, I sent for a news birth certificate, it was a computer printout, created 10 years ago, a legal document that says, hey I was born here. When I've needed to use it it's never been questioned. Why was it printed out with a computer, it's because I can't have the original.

Call your own birth state and try to get your original birth certificate. It isn't possible. They won't let you take it.

But that doesn't matter, because if you saw his original, you still won't believe it. It's against the religion of the conspiracy theory.

The President of the US can get a copy of his original birth certificate. Hawaii DoH has confirmed that they have it.

badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

When you claim this but admit he has released something more relevant than the original...I don't know.

badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

I understand...So I'll try this once more: So What?

Hunter_S_Thompson: badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

I understand...So I'll try this once more: So What?

So what? Nothing more, that's it.

badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?

I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

If he were white you'd never have noticed nor cared. At least have the honesty to admit that.

Bloody William: He doesn't have to claim shiat. This birther bullshiat has gone nowhere

Probably because the Birthers would have to take on the Director of the Hawaii health department and the Hawaii GOP governor. They don't want to. They are deliberately avoiding it. No one has flown to HI and demanded that a state court open the records or shown up to the Health dept and requested to see the original. That is how you know they are all either morans, con artists, or both. A rational investigator would have gotten his paper to pay for all of that and done it.

badhatharry: Hunter_S_Thompson: badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?


I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

I understand...So I'll try this once more: So What?

So what? Nothing more, that's it.

I must be on ignore. Well done, badhatharry, your trolling is exceptional (despite contradicting your major points).

SkinnyHead: Donald_McRonald:

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

But you don't have to accept the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that the computer spits out. Hawaii's Open Records Law gives people the right to inspect any non-privileged document that pertains to them.

State officials have attested to the existence of the original document. Obama should request a copy of the original document according to Hawaii's Open Records Law, and release it. If the document is in order, that should put the issue to rest.

What has been published is a legal, official birth certificate. A photocopy of handwritten birth certificate will not convince birthers any more than fossils of dinosaurs that can be carbon-dated to millions of years ago convince strict creationists that the Earth is more than 4,000 years old.

The wharrgarbl is strong with this one.

I'm not an Obama supporter in any way, and when this story first broke when it was just him and Hillary left, I thought, "Wow, interesting..."

I looked up a couple of articles on it, went "meh" and realized it was all based on rumors and all sorts of "what ifs".

I thought the John Mccain born in Panama thing was also cool as well.

So yes, for about ten minutes I was a birther, however, I'm not racist. I watch the BET channel and I've watched the Jeffersons and enjoyed them both immensely.

ChickenTits: Dear God! If the McCain campaign finds out about this Obama is done for.

I LOLd

/Thanks

strothgar: So yes, for about ten minutes I was a birther, however, I'm not racist. I watch the BET channel and I've watched the Jeffersons and enjoyed them both immensely.

You are also not pushing the stupid WND viewpoint. You know the story is shiat. I don't think birthers are necessarily racist. They are stupid and/or trying to stir shiat up.

Lagrange: badhatharry: We know he was born in Hawaii because he has a valid Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii.

So, you are making a devil's advocate argument when you know exactly what is wrong with those arguments?

I will try this once more. I have tried to be very clear. It is very simple: Obama has not released his original birth certificate.

If he were white you'd never have noticed nor cared. At least have the honesty to admit that.

I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

badhatharry: I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

It was never an issue except amongst batshait crazy conspiracy theorists much like Vince Foster's "assassination" and what "really happend" on 9/11.

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

This exchange is the entire issue in a nutshell. Why the hell would Obama appease these people that would never vote for him in the first place, and by appeasing them let an entire flood of ridiculous arguments be deemed "valid"?

badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

badhatharry: Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

After what happened to Pat Tillman, it's not surprising that people are wary to speak openly about Obama's real birth certificate.

Befuddled: badhatharry: Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

After what happened to Pat Tillman, it's not surprising that people are wary to speak openly about Obama's real birth certificate.

Could you explain that comment, please?

As a reptilian-American, I'll let you in on a little secret.

Obama's just a man. Biden's the one on our side.

Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

Lifeless: As a reptilian-American, I'll let you in on a little secret.

Obama's just a man. Biden's the one on our side.

You are wrong, alien. Obama is the Messiah so your attempts to kill him will fail.

badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

badhatharry:
I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing completely missing out the simplest fact point.

yada.

Sabyen91: Befuddled: badhatharry: Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

After what happened to Pat Tillman, it's not surprising that people are wary to speak openly about Obama's real birth certificate.

Could you explain that comment, please?

I think he's being cheeky. Tillman's death was all the conspiracy rage for awhile.

html drunk ass FAIL.
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Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

But you said he released something better than the original so I am really not sure what your complaint is.