Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

olddinosaur: It is a well known fact prominent people use ghost writers to crank out self-serving books, and are paid quite well to do so.

I understand the concept of ghost writers, and I understand that plenty of "celebrities" use them. But assuming that everyone you've ever heard of who wrote a memoir used a ghost writer is fanciful.

I read Dreams from my Father. It was first published in 1995, before Obama was even elected to the state legislature. He got the book deal because of his election as president of the Harvard Law Review, which got national attention because it broke a racial barrier, but is hardly a position prestigious enough to command use of a ghost writer. At the time he wrote it, Obama was a young attorney and lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School. Again, hardly comparable to a former first lady writing a memoir.

As I said there is NO EVIDENCE that he used a ghost writer. But by all means, please continue with the asinine accusations which have pretty much dominated this thread.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Wow...there are Birthers on Fark? I know I've been gone a while, but GEEZ.

badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

Afraid to talk about it? Then what the hell have we been doing? It doesn't seem to matter that in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate. What the hell are we talking about then?

zabadu: The whole point is Obama doesn't have to show anyone anything but the certificate already presented. Plus, the statute stating that dissemination of confidential documents is expressly against the law in Hawaii.

So there.

Okay. The reason he wont release the original is because he can't be forced to release it. Like I said before, that just perpetuates the issue by making it look like he's trying to hide something.

Can we dispense with all the nonsense about how original birth certificates are carefully guarded state secrets in Hawaii, and it would be illegal for him to obtain and release a copy of the original, even if he wanted to.

zabadu: What part of INSPECT do you not understand? They do not make copies of birth certs in Hawaii. You get the new cert or nothing.

Thick as a board you are.

This.

Hawaii does not keep or issue the records you loons keep asking him to produce. There is no long-form birth certificate. If his mom managed to keep the original copy from getting lost and he managed to hold onto it, he could produce that. But if he wants a copy now, he gets what was already published. Get it through your heads.

badhatharry: The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

You realize that final paragraph came from, like, the "media"?

andrewagill: apistat: Meh, this is boring. The real fun comes from that crazy blogger who made an enormous post "proving" that Obama's real father was Malcolm X.

The best part of that theory is that she claimed that Obama was born in Seattle. Malcolm X was a US citizen. Dunham was a US citizen. Seattle--someone help me out here, what country is Seattle in?

So a man is born in the US to two US citizen parents.

OMG! He's not a US citizen! It's so obvious!

Seattle's an Indian Reservation and everyone who gives birth on it is also an Indian and thus not a citizen so Barack Obama is both not a citizen and a Native-African-American-Indian.

zabadu: badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

Afraid to talk about it? Then what the hell have we been doing? It doesn't seem to matter that in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate. What the hell are we talking about then?

THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

/facepalm

SkinnyHead:
Can we dispense with all the nonsense about how original birth certificates are carefully guarded state secrets in Hawaii, and it would be illegal for him to obtain and release a copy of the original, even if he wanted to.

Show me one from someone else, then. You have freeptards in HI. Have one request his original BC from HI's DOH and show me what he gets.

They're so easy to come across, after all. There must be a hundred examples you can show me.

badhatharry: THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

You realize that final paragraph came from, like, the "media"?

Ok, how about a snopes link or an article with the headline:
Has Obama released his original birth certificate?

badhatharry: Ok, how about a snopes link or an article with the headline:
Has Obama released his original birth certificate?

And what urban legend would they be addressing?

badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

Afraid to talk about it? Then what the hell have we been doing? It doesn't seem to matter that in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate. What the hell are we talking about then?

THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

/facepalm

If you asked Obama to unzip his fly so that we could put this dick-length debate to rest, would you fly into a rage if he refused?

SkinnyHead: zabadu: The whole point is Obama doesn't have to show anyone anything but the certificate already presented. Plus, the statute stating that dissemination of confidential documents is expressly against the law in Hawaii.

So there.

Okay. The reason he wont release the original is because he can't be forced to release it. Like I said before, that just perpetuates the issue by making it look like he's trying to hide something.

Can we dispense with all the nonsense about how original birth certificates are carefully guarded state secrets in Hawaii, and it would be illegal for him to obtain and release a copy of the original, even if he wanted to.

Well, maybe you should read the thread again, Sparky.

opensorcerer: If you asked Obama to unzip his fly so that we could put this dick-length debate to rest, would you fly into a rage if he refused?

Does Obama even have a dick? The weener community just wants the truth.

badhatharry:
Ok, how about a snopes link or an article with the headline:
Has Obama released his original birth certificate?

How about, "Is Obama able to release his original birth certificate?"

Really, that's what this comes down to. Birfers think Obama can do this, others say he can't.

Let's see if it's possible.

badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Snopes Link (new window)

Here is my other problem.

The snopes link goes out of its way to prove that birthers are all nuts. But they do include the fact that there is an original birth certificate in the final paragraph. The media pretends that this issue does not exist. Because if they mention it, they will be torn to shreds for being conspiracy nuts.

Something stinks in Denmark. It is not the birth certificate. It is that people are afraid to even talk about it. That is the conspiracy that bothers me.

Afraid to talk about it? Then what the hell have we been doing? It doesn't seem to matter that in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate. What the hell are we talking about then?

THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

/facepalm

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO!!

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

The author of this article,who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth.

Lenny_da_Hog: Really, that's what this comes down to. Birfers think Obama can do this, others say he can't.

There has to be at least one Birfer in HI right?

That person or people should do it to prove it can be done.

That would settle it, right?

The Homer Tax: Lenny_da_Hog: Really, that's what this comes down to. Birfers think Obama can do this, others say he can't.

There has to be at least one Birfer in HI right?

That person or people should do it to prove it can be done.

That would settle it, right?

That's what I'm saying. These wing-nut sites should have hundreds of folks who'd done that by now, to prove Obama is lying.

SkinnyHead: 400,000

Because the other 99.87% (non-racist) of the population of the USA understand that the one he has produced is legally valid.

badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

Hunter_S_Thompson: SkinnyHead: 400,000

Because the other 99.87% (non-racist) of the population of the USA understand that the one he has produced is legally valid.

Be fair.

Some of those 99.87% are probably racist, too.

And many of that 99.87% probably don't understand that it's legally valid but just sort of assume (correctly) that it must be.

Hunter_S_Thompson: SkinnyHead: 400,000

Because the other 99.87% (non-racist) of the population of the USA understand that the one he has produced is legally valid.

You are assuming that 400,000 racists actually signed said petition, when it's more likely that the same 40 racists signed it 10,000 times each.

The Homer Tax: Lenny_da_Hog: Really, that's what this comes down to. Birfers think Obama can do this, others say he can't.

There has to be at least one Birfer in HI right?

That person or people should do it to prove it can be done.

That would settle it, right?

Hawaii DoH vital statistics confirmed that they have the original birth certificate. They also have confirmed that they can only release it to someone with a tangible interest in it.

Full article here: Link

But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

For believers, it works like this: So what if Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, released a statement saying she has verified that the state has the original birth certificate on record? So what if she said separately that the certification looks identical to one she was issued for her own Hawaii birth certificate? Why didn't her statement specify Obama's birthplace? So what if a Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman later clarified that Fukino meant that Obama was born in Hawaii? So what if researchers for FactCheck.org actually saw the physical copy of the certification and debunked much of the key "evidence" supposedly proving that the image posted online is a forgery? They're not really independent. They're funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Obama once (with Bill Ayers, no less) ran an entirely unrelated program that happened to be paid for with money donated by Walter Annenberg. And on and on and on.

If the long-form birth certificate were released, with its unequivocal identification of Hawaii as Obama's place of birth, the cycle would almost certainly continue. Rush Limbaugh already suggested that Obama's trip to Hawaii to see his ailing grandmother, who died not long after, was somehow connected to the controversy. Others, like Michael Savage, followed Limbaugh's lead, saying Obama was going to Hawaii to alter the record.

badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

The author of this article,who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth.

Politifact has already addressed the issue:

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.
....
The Health Department says the "Certification of Live Birth" is Hawaii's version of a birth certificate. Calling it by other names - Certificate of Live Birth, Certification of Live Birth - is just semantics. WorldNetDaily may be right that the original birth certificate wasn't posted, but if Hawaii says the the document Obama posted can rightly be called Obama's birth certificate, how is Gibbs lying? We habor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False.

Now will you please shut up?

Lenny_da_Hog: badhatharry:
Ok, how about a snopes link or an article with the headline:
Has Obama released his original birth certificate?

How about, "Is Obama able to release his original birth certificate?"

Really, that's what this comes down to. Birfers think Obama can do this, others say he can't.

Let's see if it's possible.

I thought it was about if the Trilateral Commission and the Illuminati would let Obama release his real birth certificate.

Wasn't Kennedy the last President who tried to release his real birth certificate without first getting permission?

Com-un-sense: badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!

Waaaaah. Reasonable people don't give a shiat.

The author of this article,who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth.

Politifact has already addressed the issue:
When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.
....
The Health Department says the "Certification of Live Birth" is Hawaii's version of a birth certificate. Calling it by other names - Certificate of Live Birth, Certification of Live Birth - is just semantics. WorldNetDaily may be right that the original birth certificate wasn't posted, but if Hawaii says the the document Obama posted can rightly be called Obama's birth certificate, how is Gibbs lying? We habor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False.Now will you please shut up?

He can't. People who believe in conspiracy theories are mentally ill.

badhatharry, you are either an epic troll, or in the top 10 densest morons I have ever come across in almost 20 years on the internet.

Either way, congratulations. You win the prize!

Befuddled:
I thought it was about if the fnord Trilateral Commission fnord and the fnord Illuminati fnord would let fnord Obama fnord release his fnord real fnord birth certificate.

Shhhhh! DAMMIT.

Jmast7: I'm actually kind of amazed Gibbs took a question from WND. Sure, you can laugh at him, but it's a complete waste of time.

No kidding. It is good to welcome the new media of the internet but WND isn't it.

The evidence he provided satisfied Hillary's legal team and McCain's legal team.

Does anyone seriously believe that either one of them would have willingly just let it go if there was anything to this? Or that they're in on some massive conspiracy to put him into office?

badhatharry: The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

They link directly to the page that discusses the original you farking moron.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

You are pretty stupid for someone with a GED in Law...and lacking in legal knowledge, as well.

/How the fark is this thread over 500 posts long? Not done reading it (not even close) but it seems a waste of about 450 posts.

BKITU: badhatharry, you are either an epic troll, or in the top 10 densest morons I have ever come across in almost 20 years on the internet.

Either way, congratulations. You win the prize!

I am not trolling, this happens in every birth certificate thread. It's like some kind of vast conspiracy against me. People will believe what they want to believe no matter how hard I try.

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

They link directly to the page that discusses the original you farking moron.

I must have missed that. Did they say they lost it?

badhatharry: Com-un-sense: badhatharry: The author of this article staff member of a Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking Web site, who has been trying so hard to put this issue to rest, seems to give a shiat. But he still doesn't tell the truth can't talk reason to the mentally ill.

/ftfy

The fact that they don't even mention the original birth certificate doesn't bother you. Or just explain that it has not been released.

It doesn't bother me, but that's because I also read the original debunking of this stupidity which they wrote a year ago. But I wouldn't expect you to have actually, you know, clicked on a link provided in the article to the original explanation. That would require something mildly resembling research. And anyone interested even mildly in research wouldn't make these moronic arguments.

From their original explanation...

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.
....
The Health Department says the "Certification of Live Birth" is Hawaii's version of a birth certificate. Calling it by other names - Certificate of Live Birth, Certification of Live Birth - is just semantics. WorldNetDaily may be right that the original birth certificate wasn't posted, but if Hawaii says the the document Obama posted can rightly be called Obama's birth certificate, how is Gibbs lying? We habor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False.

badhatharry: Did they say they lost it?

No, but I'm pretty sure you have.

Donald_McRonald:

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

But you don't have to accept the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that the computer spits out. Hawaii's Open Records Law gives people the right to inspect any non-privileged document that pertains to them.

State officials have attested to the existence of the original document. Obama should request a copy of the original document according to Hawaii's Open Records Law, and release it. If the document is in order, that should put the issue to rest.

badhatharry: BKITU: badhatharry, you are either an epic troll, or in the top 10 densest morons I have ever come across in almost 20 years on the internet.

Either way, congratulations. You win the prize!

I am not trolling, this happens in every birth certificate thread. It's like some kind of vast conspiracy against me. People will believe what they want to believe no matter how hard I try.

You pull shiat out of your ass people call you on it.

/Causation sometimes DOES=Correlation.

SkinnyHead: Donald_McRonald:

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

But you don't have to accept the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that the computer spits out. Hawaii's Open Records Law gives people the right to inspect any non-privileged document that pertains to them.

State officials have attested to the existence of the original document. Obama should request a copy of the original document according to Hawaii's Open Records Law, and release it. If the document is in order, that should put the issue to rest.

Why? They verify it. Do you think the Hawaii state government is lying or are you trolling?

SkinnyHead: Donald_McRonald:

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

But you don't have to accept the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that the computer spits out. Hawaii's Open Records Law gives people the right to inspect any non-privileged document that pertains to them.

State officials have attested to the existence of the original document. Obama should request a copy of the original document according to Hawaii's Open Records Law, and release it. If the document is in order, that should put the issue to rest.

The issue is already at rest. I doubt that a photocopy of a hand-written birth certificate produced by an agency that is already believed by birfers to be in cahoots with Oba....what the hell am I doing responding to a troll?

Donald_McRonald: SkinnyHead: Donald_McRonald:

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

But you don't have to accept the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth that the computer spits out. Hawaii's Open Records Law gives people the right to inspect any non-privileged document that pertains to them.

State officials have attested to the existence of the original document. Obama should request a copy of the original document according to Hawaii's Open Records Law, and release it. If the document is in order, that should put the issue to rest.

The issue is already at rest. I doubt that a photocopy of a hand-written birth certificate produced by an agency that is already believed by birfers to be in cahoots with Oba....what the hell am I doing responding to a troll?

I know, this is one of the worst threads ever but it is like a trainwreck.

Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: Did they say they lost it?

No, but I'm pretty sure you have.Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: Did they say they lost it?

No, but I'm pretty sure you have.

No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

badhatharry: Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: Did they say they lost it?

No, but I'm pretty sure you have.Donald_McRonald: badhatharry: Did they say they lost it?

No, but I'm pretty sure you have.

No they didn't lose it. The reporter just didn't think it was necessary to see the original. Brilliant.

Are you seriously going with this argument? Are you really a birther? It boggles the mind how stupid you must be.

G. Tarrant: That in itself is a ridiculous assertion.

Pfft. The Stonecutters plans easily span 50 years.

From link
"At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth - original, corroborating documents."

Then,

"And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?"

No original document seen. Give this guy a Pulitzer!