StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal, I would NOT have fought charlie in Vietnam, I wouldve dodged the draft like a liberal cowherd. I mightve gone to Nam later as a salesman.

If I was a liberal, I would try to oppress any kind of frank dialog and instead only take prescreened questions from the press. This would be the case not just for the president, but also for the governer and for the mare.

If I was a liberal, I would take money from the hard working denisens of America and give it to the wellfare queens who are addicted to crack, huff paint and jerk off behind dumpsters. I would rock and roll all night man. And party every day man. Let the other people pay my way!

If I was a liberal, I would spend all my time paying attention to TMZ, wondering about Lindsey Lohan and the kid from the "Im a Mac" commericals instead of recognizing that the president is an illegal emigrant who gave the queen an ipod and eats mustard. I would always let blacks play the race card while actually being racist towards whites because of white guilt, calling my own people a mick. Poiliticians would be my god instead of Jesus and I would literally worship Obama as the messiah. I would ignore stains that looked like the virgin Mary and instead Id pray to stains that looked like Keith Olberman.

If I was a liberal, I would look through my refrigerater for soda, OJ, purple stuff, sunny D, but then Id pick the starbucks latte because Id be a latte liberal who drinks elitist starbucks coffee. I would be underweight, restless and have brittle bones from being a stupid vagitarian. I would hate hamburger pattys and fart a mist that smelled like my own self importants called "smug". I would pretend to solve the oil crisis by driveing an electric car. Men would have sex with me at the gay club I frequented as a gay liberal, or maybe they would be trannys. (Pre op)

If I was a liberal I would stand up for what I believe in! *crickets* Oh wait liberals dont believe in anything. There only beliefs is they want an abortion.

If I was a liberal, I would NOT heed the words of my father who used to remind me always, "sonny, in Philadelphia theres a bell called the liberty bell and it stands for liberty." Those were wise words but the libs seem to have forgotten.


Good one! There's probably more that I missed, but that was entertaining.

/And just because tomorrow is the 4th of July, I'm gonna go America all over your ass.
//I'm gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass, gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I'm gonna kick some butt, I'm gonna drive a big truck, I'm gonna rule this world, I'm gonna kick some ass, I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna kick a little ass, ROCK, FLAG, AND EAGLE!!

SupremeLeader: If I was a rich man

If I was a rich man, I'd be windsurfing with a superhot naked model clinging on my back and not reading pointless threads on Fark.

/reading a pointless thread on Fark, therefore...

Bloody William: It's not his excuse, it's my legal explanation, among many others. He doesn't need an excuse, because the vast majority of Americans think this whole thing is bullshiat and don't care, and the majority of voters elected him president, which he legally is.

HOWEVER...

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO PERMIT INSPECTION OF, OR TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN VITAL STATISTICS RECORDS.

Not hard to farking grok.


You completely fail at statutory interpretation. The ENTIRE sentence reads:

"it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health."

It then goes on to list the exceptions to the unlawful part. The Registrant (i.e. the person whose information is contained in the record) is the first person listed as being allowed to obtain the record.

To claim that Obama cannot obtain his own records is patently absurd...especially if you are going to claim it violates his own privacy.

jso2897: snOr: Read it again, dude. S.A.M.s posts are masterworks - you need to kind of read between the lines, and look for patterns.

Ah, sarcasm.. I can live with that.

sn0r: StampedingElephant: Dragonsbreath: ...

This was meant for Dragonsbreath. Sorry, Stampy.

sn0r: jso2897: snOr: Read it again, dude. S.A.M.s posts are masterworks - you need to kind of read between the lines, and look for patterns.

Ah, sarcasm.. I can live with that.

Not just sarcasm. Word hunts, dude. Word hunts.

logruszed:
As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.

DADT.

StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal, I would NOT have fought charlie in Vietnam, I wouldve dodged the draft like a liberal cowherd. I mightve gone to Nam later as a salesman.

If I was a liberal, I would try to oppress any kind of frank dialog and instead only take prescreened questions from the press. This would be the case not just for the president, but also for the governer and for the mare.

If I was a liberal, I would take money from the hard working denisens of America and give it to the wellfare queens who are addicted to crack, huff paint and jerk off behind dumpsters. I would rock and roll all night man. And party every day man. Let the other people pay my way!

If I was a liberal, I would spend all my time paying attention to TMZ, wondering about Lindsey Lohan and the kid from the "Im a Mac" commericals instead of recognizing that the president is an illegal emigrant who gave the queen an ipod and eats mustard. I would always let blacks play the race card while actually being racist towards whites because of white guilt, calling my own people a mick. Poiliticians would be my god instead of Jesus and I would literally worship Obama as the messiah. I would ignore stains that looked like the virgin Mary and instead Id pray to stains that looked like Keith Olberman.

If I was a liberal, I would look through my refrigerater for soda, OJ, purple stuff, sunny D, but then Id pick the starbucks latte because Id be a latte liberal who drinks elitist starbucks coffee. I would be underweight, restless and have brittle bones from being a stupid vagitarian. I would hate hamburger pattys and fart a mist that smelled like my own self importants called "smug". I would pretend to solve the oil crisis by driveing an electric car. Men would have sex with me at the gay club I frequented as a gay liberal, or maybe they would be trannys. (Pre op)

If I was a liberal I would stand up for what I believe in! *crickets* Oh wait liberals dont believe in anything. There only beliefs is they want an abortion.

If I was a liberal, I would NOT heed the words of my father who used to remind me always, "sonny, in Philadelphia theres a bell called the liberty bell and it stands for liberty." Those were wise words but the libs seem to have forgotten.

I love it when S.A.M gets people to bite.

Cataholic: It then goes on to list the exceptions to the unlawful part. The Registrant (i.e. the person whose information is contained in the record) is the first person listed as being allowed to obtain the record.

The registrant can inspect the record. The list of eligible parties defined by 338:18(b) are allowed to inspect the record, not release it.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

Now, that allows inspection and the issuing of a copy. The birthers want the original document, the release of which is expressly banned by 338:18.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

Yes, because Republicans would never try to allow a non-native to become president (new window)

/Contains link to the Bill in the Library of Congress

StopArrestingMe:

Nevermind. I just self-owned.

No mention of the green-man.

elchip: budsterr: img2.pict.com

you're always here for me in these threads.

Bottom line is, though, they don't think he's just "Not American".

They think he's the farking anti-christ.

"Com-Un Sense:" It is a well known fact prominent people use ghost writers to crank out self-serving books, and are paid quite well to do so.

To deny such an obvious fact is like denying Donald Trump's wives love him for himself and not his money.

Usually the ghost has a stay-quiet clause in the contract, but when she doesn't get paid--as in the case of Hillary Clinton--it hits the news.

*** Ronald Reagan's "autobiography" contains detailed descriptions of sights in Europe which he never saw, or can't remember seeing.

*** John Dean of Watergate fame, was forced under oath to admit he not only never wrote Blind Ambition--- he had also never even read it.

*** Newt Gingrich sold truckloads of books which were dutifully delivered to the local landfill.

*** O.J. Simpson "wrote" two books while in jail and standing trial, allegedly all on his own without a typewriter or WP in his cell; good trick. The prosecutor had one book, her assistant, one book; the defense team several. This was done despite the fact that all persons involved were up to their armpits in a big murder trial, and had no time to take off and write.

*** Kato Kaelin had a book out, as a result of that trial, and his ability to compose a single coherent paragraph is questionable.

I can name one hundred prominent people who have "written" books, without taking any time off from their busy schedules to do so; all have received generous bonuses, and none of the finished products match the writing style they show in their letters, articles and other correspondence.

It takes about a year to write a book, and none of them would dream of being out of sight for so long.

If you think celebrities write their own books, I know a hot African chick with big tits and $16 million she would like to stash in your bank account.

StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal, I would NOT have fought charlie in Vietnam, I wouldve dodged the draft like a liberal cowherd. I mightve gone to Nam later as a salesman.

If I was a liberal, I would try to oppress any kind of frank dialog and instead only take prescreened questions from the press. This would be the case not just for the president, but also for the governer and for the mare.

If I was a liberal, I would take money from the hard working denisens of America and give it to the wellfare queens who are addicted to crack, huff paint and jerk off behind dumpsters. I would rock and roll all night man. And party every day man. Let the other people pay my way!

If I was a liberal, I would spend all my time paying attention to TMZ, wondering about Lindsey Lohan and the kid from the "Im a Mac" commericals instead of recognizing that the president is an illegal emigrant who gave the queen an ipod and eats mustard. I would always let blacks play the race card while actually being racist towards whites because of white guilt, calling my own people a mick. Poiliticians would be my god instead of Jesus and I would literally worship Obama as the messiah. I would ignore stains that looked like the virgin Mary and instead Id pray to stains that looked like Keith Olberman.

If I was a liberal, I would look through my refrigerater for soda, OJ, purple stuff, sunny D, but then Id pick the starbucks latte because Id be a latte liberal who drinks elitist starbucks coffee. I would be underweight, restless and have brittle bones from being a stupid vagitarian. I would hate hamburger pattys and fart a mist that smelled like my own self importants called "smug". I would pretend to solve the oil crisis by driveing an electric car. Men would have sex with me at the gay club I frequented as a gay liberal, or maybe they would be trannys. (Pre op)

If I was a liberal I would stand up for what I believe in! *crickets* Oh wait liberals dont believe in anything. There only beliefs is they want an abortion.

If I was a liberal, I would NOT heed the words of my father who used to remind me always, "sonny, in Philadelphia theres a bell called the liberty bell and it stands for liberty." Those were wise words but the libs seem to have forgotten.

Oh...oh my god! Was this the memo I was supposed to have gotten when I got my Liberal card? I'VE BEEN DOING IT ALL WRONG!

RadicalMiddle: This Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth was published August 13, 1961, page B-6,

Here's the copy of the microfilm.



Any birther who wanted to, can go to Honolulu and see it themselves. The real truth is, they don't want to know.

If you want to see the page. Link (new window)

Believe it or not, there are some Birthers who claim that even the birth announcement was a forgery!

Link (new window)

Bonus: That link also claims that Obama's sister and mother are fake as well.

StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal, I would NOT have fought charlie in Vietnam, I wouldve dodged the draft like a liberal cowherd. I mightve gone to Nam later as a salesman.

If I was a liberal, I would try to oppress any kind of frank dialog and instead only take prescreened questions from the press. This would be the case not just for the president, but also for the governer and for the mare.

If I was a liberal, I would take money from the hard working denisens of America and give it to the wellfare queens who are addicted to crack, huff paint and jerk off behind dumpsters. I would rock and roll all night man. And party every day man. Let the other people pay my way!

If I was a liberal, I would spend all my time paying attention to TMZ, wondering about Lindsey Lohan and the kid from the "Im a Mac" commericals instead of recognizing that the president is an illegal emigrant who gave the queen an ipod and eats mustard. I would always let blacks play the race card while actually being racist towards whites because of white guilt, calling my own people a mick. Poiliticians would be my god instead of Jesus and I would literally worship Obama as the messiah. I would ignore stains that looked like the virgin Mary and instead Id pray to stains that looked like Keith Olberman.

If I was a liberal, I would look through my refrigerater for soda, OJ, purple stuff, sunny D, but then Id pick the starbucks latte because Id be a latte liberal who drinks elitist starbucks coffee. I would be underweight, restless and have brittle bones from being a stupid vagitarian. I would hate hamburger pattys and fart a mist that smelled like my own self importants called "smug". I would pretend to solve the oil crisis by driveing an electric car. Men would have sex with me at the gay club I frequented as a gay liberal, or maybe they would be trannys. (Pre op)

If I was a liberal I would stand up for what I believe in! *crickets* Oh wait liberals dont believe in anything. There only beliefs is they want an abortion.

If I was a liberal, I would NOT heed the words of my father who used to remind me always, "sonny, in Philadelphia theres a bell called the liberty bell and it stands for liberty." Those were wise words but the libs seem to have forgotten.

Well, you'd make a lousy liberal, so I guess it's just as well that you chose the other side. You definitely fit in better there.

Hoopido: So his grandmother was lying when she said she was at the birth?

Ah, I take it you haven't bothered listening to the full tape - because Sarah Obama says a couple times that he was born in Hawaii...

Bloody William: Now, that allows inspection and the issuing of a copy. The birthers want the original document, the release of which is expressly banned by 338:18.

Although it would be funny to watch them blog about how they ran the copy through photoshop and how obvious it is that Kenya is covered with Wite-Out and replaced with Hawaii.

FreakinB: sn0r: jso2897: snOr: Read it again, dude. S.A.M.s posts are masterworks - you need to kind of read between the lines, and look for patterns.

Ah, sarcasm.. I can live with that.

Not just sarcasm. Word hunts, dude. Word hunts.

Holy farking shiite on a stick. I completely missed that. *looks for his glasses* - Must lurk moar.

/Good work, S.A.M.
//You had me worried there for a second.

StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal...

This should have been posted earlier in the thread.

Also, when does the new Always Sunny in Philadelphia season start?

eraser8: StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal...

This should have been posted earlier in the thread.

Also, when does the new Always Sunny in Philadelphia season start?

September 18.

olddinosaur: If you think celebrities write their own books, I know a hot African chick with big tits and $16 million she would like to stash in your bank account.

Obama wrote Dreams from my Father in 1995, before anybody even knew who he was. I'm sure you knew that, right?

God damn it! I spent so much time reading the crazies drivel that I didn't realise it was S.A.M. First time I've fallen for it!

logruszed: StopArrestingMe: If I was a liberal, I would NOT have fought charlie in Vietnam, I wouldve dodged the draft like a liberal cowherd. I mightve gone to Nam later as a salesman.

If I was a liberal, I would try to oppress any kind of frank dialog and instead only take prescreened questions from the press. This would be the case not just for the president, but also for the governer and for the mare.

If I was a liberal, I would take money from the hard working denisens of America and give it to the wellfare queens who are addicted to crack, huff paint and jerk off behind dumpsters. I would rock and roll all night man. And party every day man. Let the other people pay my way!

If I was a liberal, I would spend all my time paying attention to TMZ, wondering about Lindsey Lohan and the kid from the "Im a Mac" commericals instead of recognizing that the president is an illegal emigrant who gave the queen an ipod and eats mustard. I would always let blacks play the race card while actually being racist towards whites because of white guilt, calling my own people a mick. Poiliticians would be my god instead of Jesus and I would literally worship Obama as the messiah. I would ignore stains that looked like the virgin Mary and instead Id pray to stains that looked like Keith Olberman.

If I was a liberal, I would look through my refrigerater for soda, OJ, purple stuff, sunny D, but then Id pick the starbucks latte because Id be a latte liberal who drinks elitist starbucks coffee. I would be underweight, restless and have brittle bones from being a stupid vagitarian. I would hate hamburger pattys and fart a mist that smelled like my own self importants called "smug". I would pretend to solve the oil crisis by driveing an electric car. Men would have sex with me at the gay club I frequented as a gay liberal, or maybe they would be trannys. (Pre op)

If I was a liberal I would stand up for what I believe in! *crickets* Oh wait liberals dont believe in anything. There only beliefs is they want an abortion.

If I was a liberal, I would NOT heed the words of my father who used to remind me always, "sonny, in Philadelphia theres a bell called the liberty bell and it stands for liberty." Those were wise words but the libs seem to have forgotten.

As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.


Don't ask.... Don't tell ?

mreuther: These threads are always good for beefing up my ignore list.

I need to check my Fark Monster Manual for the best weapons to use on trolls.

They've got damage reduction 20/whargrrbl dog.

And keep your argument exactly the same at all points. Changing the topic even slightly always results in an attack of opportunity.

see if they release the hospital birth certificate, everyone will find out he was delivered via c-section.


THAT MEANS HE WAS NOT NATURALLY BORN AND PALIN GETS TO BE PRESIDENT!!!!!

/so who else is gonna go to the TeaBagging parties with goofy signs. I'm taking one that has " Where's the birfh cetrificate" on one side and " Teabag This" with an arrow pointing down on the other.

MrLint: If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

You need constitutional authority to do that? Its not prohibited. Unless perhaps you are thing about the powers reserved to the states. Perhaps a governor should do it instead? Is this what you are really implying?

Oh wait you mean a significant holder of company debt wants the moron that ran the ship aground out? Clearly that is ridiculous.

seeing how the US Gov. is the largest shareholder, they can do anything they want

jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

SkinnyHead: The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

You forgot the last step: the birfers scream in unison "fake!"

SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

how is that different from a COLB?

Bloody William: Cataholic: It then goes on to list the exceptions to the unlawful part. The Registrant (i.e. the person whose information is contained in the record) is the first person listed as being allowed to obtain the record.

The registrant can inspect the record. The list of eligible parties defined by 338:18(b) are allowed to inspect the record, not release it.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

Now, that allows inspection and the issuing of a copy. The birthers want the original document, the release of which is expressly banned by 338:18.

I don't care what they want.

The statute permits a photocopy of the original which the officials will certify as an accurate copy. All that has been released to date is a transcript of the original which purports to contain some of the information found on the original. While an official record, it still is not the "best evidence" of his birth certificate.

I do not agree with the folks you call "birthers" but so long as Obama refuses to produce a photocopy, I will maintain they have a legitimate beef. All he has to do is embrace the transparency and openness he campaigned on.

The State of Hawaii says it is valid.

The US State Department says it's valid.

Numerous people have inspected it and noted it's valid.

Once those things are done, it's at that point up to the other side to prove it isn't (by showing it is a forgery, or something). There is sufficient evidence pointing towards it being a valid document.

Furthermore, Hillary Clinton is an absolutely ruthless woman. There is no - zip, zilch, zero - chance that she didn't have numerous people working on this angle. If her team ended up coming to the conclusion that he was born in Hawaii, you know he was - because if there was even a sliver of solid evidence demonstrating otherwise, her team would have had it front and center.

What the birthers would want one to believe, is that a little under 50 years ago, the Hawaii Department of Health, the Obama family, and numerous other state officials all conspired to create a fake birth record for somebody seemingly randomly - including birth announcements placed not by the Obamas, but by the state itself - just in the eventuality that almost 50 years later the person might - might! - be running for President. That in itself is a ridiculous assertion.

SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

Followed by "Polarik" posted a huge screed "proving" it's a forgery, and the birthers accepting this claim as solid fact.

SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

What part of INSPECT do you not understand? They do not make copies of birth certs in Hawaii. You get the new cert or nothing.

Thick as a board you are.

Cataholic: I do not agree with the folks you call "birthers" but so long as Obama refuses to produce a photocopy, I will maintain they have a legitimate beef. All he has to do is embrace the transparency and openness he campaigned on.

He HAS. The birthers, based on the claims of two nameless, faceless internet "experts" going by the names of "TechDude" and "Polarik", claim that photocopy is a forgery and no such original exists.

zabadu: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

What part of INSPECT do you not understand? They do not make copies of birth certs in Hawaii. You get the new cert or nothing.

Thick as a board you are.

He's also a creationist, just FYI.

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

how is that different from a COLB?

You people are dense.
The "original" birth certificate is the one that was issued when he was born. This is the document his mom had in a file cabinet to show to anyone who needed it. It was probably hand written. There is still a copy of it on file in Hawaii DoH vital statistics.

In later years, if you needed a replacement, they issued a computer printout of a CoLB, which is what was posted online.

HE CAN SHOW IT TO ANYONE HE WANTS TO!

The Hawaii Doh cannot issue it to anyone except Obama. How stupid are you people to think it is illegal to show your birthcertificate to anyone!

Cataholic: I will maintain they have a legitimate beef.

It's good nobody gives a shiat about what you think. So much stupid in this thread.

Cataholic: Bloody William: Cataholic: It then goes on to list the exceptions to the unlawful part. The Registrant (i.e. the person whose information is contained in the record) is the first person listed as being allowed to obtain the record.

The registrant can inspect the record. The list of eligible parties defined by 338:18(b) are allowed to inspect the record, not release it.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

Now, that allows inspection and the issuing of a copy. The birthers want the original document, the release of which is expressly banned by 338:18.

I don't care what they want.

The statute permits a photocopy of the original which the officials will certify as an accurate copy. All that has been released to date is a transcript of the original which purports to contain some of the information found on the original. While an official record, it still is not the "best evidence" of his birth certificate.

I do not agree with the folks you call "birthers" but so long as Obama refuses to produce a photocopy, I will maintain they have a legitimate beef. All he has to do is embrace the transparency and openness he campaigned on.

NO THE STATE DOES NOT!!!

The state provides exactly what has been offered - a certificate listing only pertinent information.

My God, when do the Martians pick you idiots up already?

House of Tards: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because you won't accept that either?

Because he has better things to do?

Because he has provided enough legal documentation to prove native citizenship to everyone except the same types of lunatics who think the moon landing was a hoax?

Because an internet petition by WND (a petition which they have not released, by the way most likely because I.P. Freely signed it several times), that has roughly as many signatures as the state of Montana has people is not exactly a burgeoning issue?

Because the other 300 million American people don't feel the president should jump through hoops every time a bunch of conspiracy theorists come up with some crazy charge?

Yur An IdiOT...THe moon Landing wuz Hoaks

Late to the party, but I gather from the above that Obama was never born.

badhatharry: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

how is that different from a COLB?

You people are dense.
The "original" birth certificate is the one that was issued when he was born. This is the document his mom had in a file cabinet to show to anyone who needed it. It was probably hand written. There is still a copy of it on file in Hawaii DoH vital statistics.

In later years, if you needed a replacement, they issued a computer printout of a CoLB, which is what was posted online.

HE CAN SHOW IT TO ANYONE HE WANTS TO!

The Hawaii Doh cannot issue it to anyone except Obama. How stupid are you people to think it is illegal to show your birthcertificate to anyone!

He doesn't HAVE to show it to anyone. His legal and completely proper current certificate is enough.

zabadu: Cataholic: Bloody William: Cataholic: It then goes on to list the exceptions to the unlawful part. The Registrant (i.e. the person whose information is contained in the record) is the first person listed as being allowed to obtain the record.

The registrant can inspect the record. The list of eligible parties defined by 338:18(b) are allowed to inspect the record, not release it.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

Now, that allows inspection and the issuing of a copy. The birthers want the original document, the release of which is expressly banned by 338:18.

I don't care what they want.

The statute permits a photocopy of the original which the officials will certify as an accurate copy. All that has been released to date is a transcript of the original which purports to contain some of the information found on the original. While an official record, it still is not the "best evidence" of his birth certificate.

I do not agree with the folks you call "birthers" but so long as Obama refuses to produce a photocopy, I will maintain they have a legitimate beef. All he has to do is embrace the transparency and openness he campaigned on.

NO THE STATE DOES NOT!!!

The state provides exactly what has been offered - a certificate listing only pertinent information.

My God, when do the Martians pick you idiots up already?

Pretty sure the Martians are looking for intelligent life. Thats a pretty big mea culpa when they bring back a bunch of birthers as a gift to the Emperor of Mars (who also happens to be Obama)

printboy: logruszed: As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.


Don't ask.... Don't tell ?

You know, there are women in combat now, too.

SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

You can't post a document on the internet. Only a .jpg, .jpeg, etc. OF a document - which can be easily faked or manipulated.
As can photocopies. This would do nothing to satisfy the birthers.
This should not be responded to for the same reason that one should not apologize to a bully who deliberately bumps them on the street. The bully will only demand something more, and something more, and something more.
The president has better things to do than jump through hoops for the edification of loons and internet trolls - and nothing he could do would change their minds anyway.
No one credible doubts the President's citizenship. Those who do are not worth bothering with, and are the political equivalent of flying saucer nuts or troofers. Time spent dealing with them is wasted.
But, then, you know all that. The only reason I am responding to you is that I feel that effort should be rewarded. You are a spectacularly shiatty troll, but you try so damn hard that it's kind of touching, and I feel compelled to toss you a bone now and then.

andrewagill: printboy: logruszed: As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.


Don't ask.... Don't tell ?

You know, there are women in combat now, too.

Well just to be clear this was not the case in 1989 and I'm not female.

the cock-sucking I proposed was more the figurative kind.

Also I was falling for a very well played humorous trolling on the OP/s part.

andrewagill: printboy: logruszed: As a liberal combat veteran you can suck my cock.


Don't ask.... Don't tell ?

You know, there are women in combat now, too.

I truly doubt many of those women would ask you to suck their cocks, though.

/although, I don't judge....

MindfulModeration: zabadu: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

What part of INSPECT do you not understand? They do not make copies of birth certs in Hawaii. You get the new cert or nothing.

Thick as a board you are.

He's also a creationist, just FYI.

Has he seen the original biblical document or just a copy?

cameroncrazy1984: how is that different from a COLB?

A Certificate of Live Birth would look something like this:

Link (new window)

It is the actual form filled out by the hospital/physician and transmitted to the registrar. As you can see, Obama's would contain more information, such as name of the hospital, age of parents, and the name of the attending physician.

logruszed: MindfulModeration: zabadu: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

What part of INSPECT do you not understand? They do not make copies of birth certs in Hawaii. You get the new cert or nothing.

Thick as a board you are.

He's also a creationist, just FYI.

Has he seen the original biblical document or just a copy?

zabadu: badhatharry: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: jso2897: There's only one original. How does one "disseminate" a single document?

The clerk photocopies the original document. The clerk then stamps and signs a certification, which makes it a certified copy of the original. The certified copy is then given to the media and posted on the internet.

how is that different from a COLB?

You people are dense.
The "original" birth certificate is the one that was issued when he was born. This is the document his mom had in a file cabinet to show to anyone who needed it. It was probably hand written. There is still a copy of it on file in Hawaii DoH vital statistics.

In later years, if you needed a replacement, they issued a computer printout of a CoLB, which is what was posted online.

HE CAN SHOW IT TO ANYONE HE WANTS TO!

The Hawaii Doh cannot issue it to anyone except Obama. How stupid are you people to think it is illegal to show your birthcertificate to anyone!

He doesn't HAVE to show it to anyone. His legal and completely proper current certificate is enough.

Yes. And he shouldn't release it if he doesn't want to. But the kool-aid drinkers are saying it doesn't exist or that Hawaii Doh wont give him a copy or that it would be illegal for Obama to show it to anyone.