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(Politifact) Obvious "Back on June 27, 2008, PolitiFact published a story we hoped would put the whole Obama birth certificate controversy to rest. Oh, how naive we were."   (politifact.com) divider line 674
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eraser8 2009-07-02 06:47:50 PM  
Dragonsbreath: The main issue is he will not show any of his records..

Troll or just stupid?

 
Lenny_da_Hog 2009-07-02 06:48:34 PM  
Befuddled: Didn't 9/11 happen so the proof of Obama's Kenyan/Muslim birth by an Iraqi Al-Qaeda doctor would be destroyed?

I'm sure I saw that somewhere!

/possibly in this very post, but it's a good one and I'm'a gonna run with it!

 
zabadu 2009-07-02 06:49:48 PM  
SkinnyHead: Bloody William: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Short answer, which you've been told several times before:

The "original" birth certificate cannot be released under Hawaii statute 338:18. Obama couldn't legally disseminate that document if he wanted to.

The certificate of live birth he released is valid in the eyes of the law, and serves are prima facie evidence of his natural birth, which means unless there is strong, specific evidence to indicate otherwise, it will hold up without question.

The director of the Hawaii Department of Health issued a statement saying that yes, the original certificate does exist, and yes, it is valid. That statement has been backed up by the governor of Hawaii.

With all of these in mind, there is only one conclusion I can reach:

There is absolutely no legal way for Obama to "prove" his natural citizenship to the birthers. The way they are demanding is illegal according to Hawaii state law and every attempt to convince them previously has fallen on utterly deaf ears. The COLB, the statement from the Hawaii DoB, the newspaper birth announcement, all of these are overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans, and according to the various rulings over the last few months by birther nuts trying to make this a legal issue, overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the law.

Obama cannot do anything to prove that he was born in America and still uphold the law in the eyes of the birthers. Fortunately, with the exception of that exceedingly shrill and willfully ignorant vocal minority, that doesn't farking matter.

Is that really Obama's lame excuse? Is he really trying to claim that original birth certificates are so secret under Hawaii law that he himself cannot legally obtain and publicize a copy of it?

Nothing in the law you cited (HRS §338-18) specifically prohibits a person from obtaining and publicizing his own original birth certificate. Instead, it says that someone with "direct and tangible interest in the record" can obtain it. That would be Obama.

Obama also has the legal right to access the document under Hawaii's Open Records Law, namely HRS §92F-21, which gives individuals the right to access their own personal records.

The claim that state law prohibits Obama himself from getting his own original birth certificate is absurd. The fact that he and/or his toadies would go to such lengths -- inventing absurd interpretations of state law as a ridiculous excuse for not releasing the document -- makes the whole thing seem much more suspicious.


The law does not require disclosure of:

Records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
[Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-13(1)]

 
andrew131 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:50:48 PM  
I'm not an anti-Obama tard, I voted for him because I thought he had the better team behind him. Nor do I believe he's a Kenyan born person, regardless he was born of an American mother so by virtue he is a citizen.

However, I do think the "real" birth certificate is misleading. It's not the original version, it's an "official copy". That's why it looks so neat and made circa 2008.

 
El_Swino 2009-07-02 06:51:47 PM  
Dragonsbreath: The main issue is he will not show any of his records..


Should make someone wonder whats being hidden....


When you're cutting and pasting crap from somebody's blog, at least try to include the links. It makes it easier to laugh at the "proof".

 
fifth_of_november 2009-07-02 06:51:48 PM  
Dragonsbreath: Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released -- Lawyers fees -- greater than $1,000,000 -- birth certificate -- $15

I've heard the claim about the $1000,000 spent on attorneys to fight this issue in the courts, but I have yet to see anyone produce any credible documentation that it is true. Links?

Every Judge so far has laughed these cases out of court. Obama hasn't needed to spend millions to fight against them.

Also, it is my understanding that the $15 fee will get you the exact copy that Obama posted online.

 
bravian 2009-07-02 06:51:58 PM  
magores: Point is.... You are not a citizen just because one of your parents was.

And you would be wrong.

 
stormpowernet 2009-07-02 06:53:16 PM  
Politispin--I can smell it quite easily.

 
eraser8 2009-07-02 06:53:43 PM  
TheRedMonkey: Had not heard that one yet.

James von Brunn listed it in his Obama is missing! (pops) thread at Free Republic. Come to think of it, Dragonsbreath's list is suspiciously similar to von Brunn's. Hmmmmm. We might have another lunatic, white supremacist menace on our hands.

www.moonbattery.com
/hot

 
Iwouldhitit [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:54:16 PM  
i154.photobucket.com

 
GomezAdams [recently expired TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:54:25 PM  
wmoonfox
He won; get over it.

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky ?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe?

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he is inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

Hmmmm?

 
bravian 2009-07-02 06:54:26 PM  
Dragonsbreath: Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released -- Lawyers fees -- greater than $1,000,000 -- birth certificate -- $15.

Completely made up number.

/the talking point is 2million btw - didn't you get the memo?

 
Bloody William 2009-07-02 06:54:53 PM  
SkinnyHead: Is that really Obama's lame excuse? Is he really trying to claim that original birth certificates are so secret under Hawaii law that he himself cannot legally obtain and publicize a copy of it?

Nothing in the law you cited (HRS §338-18) specifically prohibits a person from obtaining and publicizing his own original birth certificate. Instead, it says that someone with "direct and tangible interest in the record" can obtain it. That would be Obama.

Obama also has the legal right to access the document under Hawaii's Open Records Law, namely HRS §92F-21, which gives individuals the right to access their own personal records.

The claim that state law prohibits Obama himself from getting his own original birth certificate is absurd. The fact that he and/or his toadies would go to such lengths -- inventing absurd interpretations of state law as a ridiculous excuse for not releasing the document -- makes the whole thing seem much more suspicious.


It's not his excuse, it's my legal explanation, among many others. He doesn't need an excuse, because the vast majority of Americans think this whole thing is bullshiat and don't care, and the majority of voters elected him president, which he legally is.

HOWEVER...

§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO PERMIT INSPECTION OF, OR TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN VITAL STATISTICS RECORDS.

Not hard to farking grok.

 
mechafenris 2009-07-02 06:55:16 PM  
Meh. I love the "conspiracy" accusers who simply want this to go away... it's rather like the 2000 election... only the people asking for a 700th recount are the ones asking for this little conspiracy to die a quick, press-free death. :) I love conspiracy theories. :) It's the theorists who like to point fingers so quickly after they hid their own tinfoil hats...

/didn't vote for the douchebag or turd sandwich...
//voted for Bob Barr... (and before that Ron Paul)
///let the pitchforking to begin in 3...2....

 
Com-un-sense 2009-07-02 06:56:23 PM  
SkinnyHead: Is that really Obama's lame excuse? Is he really trying to claim that original birth certificates are so secret under Hawaii law that he himself cannot legally obtain and publicize a copy of it?

Nothing in the law you cited (HRS §338-18) specifically prohibits a person from obtaining and publicizing his own original birth certificate. Instead, it says that someone with "direct and tangible interest in the record" can obtain it. That would be Obama.

Obama also has the legal right to access the document under Hawaii's Open Records Law, namely HRS §92F-21, which gives individuals the right to access their own personal records.

The claim that state law prohibits Obama himself from getting his own original birth certificate is absurd. The fact that he and/or his toadies would go to such lengths -- inventing absurd interpretations of state law as a ridiculous excuse for not releasing the document -- makes the whole thing seem much more suspicious.


When you request a copy of your birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, they give you the EXACT document he has already published. They do not give out the documents you are asking him to make public. Not for him or anyone. They stopped giving out the longer birth certificates long before Obama ran for anything. What part of that is difficult to understand?

 
mjjt [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:57:03 PM  
Why has no-one asked to see the list of 400,000 people who have signed the petition.

Surely if the list existed it would be easy to post online.

Then we could really discuss the movement

 
Elmo Jones 2009-07-02 06:58:02 PM  
RemyDuron: Lol, people still try to talk to Skinneyhead?

There's no point.


Yes there is. It's on top of Skinny's shaven head.

/nice suspenders.

 
Ant 2009-07-02 06:59:11 PM  
SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

You don't even acknowledge evidence supporting one of the best proven theories in science. Why would you accept his birth certificate as evidence?

 
fuzzy409 2009-07-02 06:59:19 PM  
Just wait till The Birthers get wind of this e-mail thats going around. I know I'm late to the party with it but I just wanted to try out my trol-fu
----------------------------------------

More questions about Obama's eligibility to be President, and this time some good questions.. very interesting!

While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth
issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can
be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he
use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in
early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket,
suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month
later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York,
Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed
through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve
to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.


It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A: Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.

1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or

3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a US. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible.. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was
traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he
was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he
was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he
relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American,
prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he
managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..
Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his
speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented
to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who would at
least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions.

Milton Thrasher

 
andrew131 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 06:59:28 PM  
GomezAdams: If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

Um, Rick Wagoner didn't have to resign just because Obama said. Furthermore, Bush made numerous decisions that most believe was in violation of the Constitution. This isn't a BUT BUT BUT Bush, I think GW did a lot of good things, hell I've hung out with him a few times.

What I am saying is choose your arguments more carefully.

GomezAdams: If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

Um, he held hands with him.

 
Bloody William 2009-07-02 06:59:46 PM  
SkinnyHead:

Also, why haven't you yet responded at all to the fact that the Hawaii state DoH director, backed by the governor, have confirmed that the certificate exists and is valid? Are you calling them liars? And if so, would that not render any document that comes from the state of Hawaii suspect, regardless?

 
Lenny_da_Hog 2009-07-02 06:59:46 PM  
SupremeLeader: Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Obama should release any records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?


You know, when they ignore you the first five or six times, it's a sign they're not going to respond.

 
RevMercutio [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:01:15 PM  
SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because the "400,000" are racist idiots that deserved to be ridiculed. You're included in that list.

 
FreakinB 2009-07-02 07:01:22 PM  
SupremeLeader: Can anyone in this thread give me a single reason why Obama should release any records because a group who actively hate him want him to do so?

Anyone? Anyone?


Any reason is irrelevant. What he can put out there under Hawaii law, he has.

Now, I pride myself on being non-partisan and non-judgmental, but anybody pursuing this is an idiot and I think the vast majority of Americans - regardless of political persuasion - would agree with me.

 
bravian 2009-07-02 07:04:17 PM  
fuzzy409: A: No. It is not possible.. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Ohhh its already part of the Birther argument. But like most of their arguments - there is no truth to it. The US State Department had no ban to travel to Pakistan in 1981. All you needed was a visa.

 
Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:04:17 PM  
Dragonsbreath: Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)

ZOMG!11!!! Why won't Obama release his Kindergarten records???

Because they will prove that he is an anarchist who consistently colored outside the lines and that he won't be satisfied until he completely destroys the US Government.

 
magores 2009-07-02 07:04:20 PM  
zabadu: magores: Chuck Wagon: Jim_Callahan: Man, I never thought I'd compliment truthers, but at least their conspiracy is about something relatively important.

What is so stupid about the entire birth certificate, his mother was born in Kansas. Because his mother was a citizen, no matter where Obama was born he would be a natural born citizen.

It's like arguing that the moon is really made of cheese. It's just incredibly stupid.

Not true.

I'm a natural born US citizen. My wife is Chinese. If our child is born in China, there are some hoops I have to jump through in order for the child to be a US citizen.

It's not difficult to do the paperwork, but there is paperwork involved.

Point is.... You are not a citizen just because one of your parents was.

Child born in wedlock to one U.S. citizen parent and one non U.S. citizen parent on or after November 14, 1986: A child born outside of the United States to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-U.S. citizen parent may be entitled to citizenship providing the U.S. citizen parent had been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years, at least two years of which were after s/he reached the age of fourteen. This period of physical presence must have taken place prior to the birth of the child.


Thank you for proving my point.

More detail....

If the child was born between 12/24/1952 and 11/13/1986

--If both parents are U.S. citizens, at least one resided in the U.S. before the child's birth.

--If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.

 
House of Tards [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:05:01 PM  
mechafenris: Meh. I love the "conspiracy" accusers who simply want this to go away... it's rather like the 2000 election... only the people asking for a 700th recount are the ones asking for this little conspiracy to die a quick, press-free death. :) I love conspiracy theories. :) It's the theorists who like to point fingers so quickly after they hid their own tinfoil hats...

/didn't vote for the douchebag or turd sandwich...
//voted for Bob Barr... (and before that Ron Paul)
///let the pitchforking to begin in 3...2....


Those are all technically sentences, but I have zero idea where you are headed with any of that.

 
SkinnyHead [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:05:21 PM  
zabadu: The law does not require disclosure of:

Records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
[Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-13(1)]


So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.

 
Bloody William 2009-07-02 07:06:26 PM  
SkinnyHead: So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.

Obama isn't claiming shiat. He doesn't have to claim shiat. This birther bullshiat has gone nowhere. I'm simply explaining to you some of the legal reasons.

So... do you have any actual response to my previous question?

Also, why haven't you yet responded at all to the fact that the Hawaii state DoH director, backed by the governor, have confirmed that the certificate exists and is valid? Are you calling them liars? And if so, would that not render any document that comes from the state of Hawaii suspect, regardless?

 
spleef420 2009-07-02 07:06:29 PM  
emilyek_1: Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

yeah, the same "Leftists" that swore McCain wasn't elligible either because he was born in Panama during the construction of the canal...it was US territory until the canal was fininshed.

There's idiots on all sides and this isn't a right or left issue, dumbass.

All of these farking people need to EABOD.

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-02 07:06:29 PM  
andrew131: I'm not an anti-Obama tard, I voted for him because I thought he had the better team behind him. Nor do I believe he's a Kenyan born person, regardless he was born of an American mother so by virtue he is a citizen.

However, I do think the "real" birth certificate is misleading. It's not the original version, it's an "official copy". That's why it looks so neat and made circa 2008.


An. Official. Copy. Has. The. Same. Authority. As. The. Original.

You can't get the original. What you get is an official copy.

 
RevMercutio [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:06:44 PM  
SkinnyHead: zabadu: The law does not require disclosure of:

Records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
[Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-13(1)]

So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.


Really? Where is he claiming that?

 
sabyJeBus 2009-07-02 07:06:46 PM  
i don't see a real reason why he doesn't actually release the records to the public like everybody else does, instead of putting up a farking jpeg that people can analyze to hell and back and still never prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether its legit or not.

its not like proving the fools wrong by releasing the documents they say will prove he isn't a citizen would have any negative consequences. its a pretty immature argument to go with 'i shouldn't have to, i won't even dignify it with a response'. just release the damn thing and you will make everyone who questioned it look like an idiot immediately.

unless of course you're lying, then you would probably want to quash the records and order them sealed indefinitely....wait a minute...

 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:07:16 PM  
bravian: fuzzy409: A: No. It is not possible.. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Ohhh its already part of the Birther argument. But like most of their arguments - there is no truth to it. The US State Department had no ban to travel to Pakistan in 1981. All you needed was a visa.


Not to mention that passports are good for what, 12 years? It's entirely possible his mom got him a passport up to 12 years before he traveled.

 
Fart_Machine 2009-07-02 07:07:20 PM  
SkinnyHead: zabadu: The law does not require disclosure of:

Records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
[Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-13(1)]

So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.


The State of Hawaii has already confirmed his birth certificate. So you're saying that it's part of the conspiracy as well?

 
Befuddled 2009-07-02 07:07:58 PM  
I've heard that at Obama's secret Muslim birth in Kenya, Karl Malden was there to witness it (Malden was part of the global conspiracy, how else could he make it as an actor) and that Malden was finally going to come forward with the truth so Obama had him silenced.

 
spleef420 2009-07-02 07:08:52 PM  
Fart_Machine: The State of Hawaii has already confirmed his birth certificate. So you're saying that it's part of the conspiracy as well?

You just nailed the "thought process" of every conspiracy theorist in history.

Evidence to the contrary? It's all part of "The Conspiracy".

 
RemyDuron 2009-07-02 07:08:59 PM  
spleef420: emilyek_1: Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

yeah, the same "Leftists" that swore McCain wasn't elligible either because he was born in Panama during the construction of the canal...it was US territory until the canal was fininshed.

There's idiots on all sides and this isn't a right or left issue, dumbass.

All of these farking people need to EABOD.


I have never seen anyone claim that. I've seen a lot of people joke about it in response to the Obama birth certificate controversy, but I've never seen anyone say "John McCain is not eligible because he was born in Panama." I've seen people ask why he was eligible if he was born in Panama (two US parents and technically on US soil at the time). I'd bet there was someone out there who believed that, but to imply that they are at all as numerous or vocal as the birthers is ridiculous.

 
RevMercutio [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:09:41 PM  
sabyJeBus: i don't see a real reason why he doesn't actually release the records to the public like everybody else does

Such as?

Who are "everybody else"?

 
Bloody William 2009-07-02 07:10:13 PM  
spleef420: Fart_Machine: The State of Hawaii has already confirmed his birth certificate. So you're saying that it's part of the conspiracy as well?

You just nailed the "thought process" of every conspiracy theorist in history.

Evidence to the contrary? It's all part of "The Conspiracy".


Which of course means that any document to come through or anywhere near those channels are immediately suspect.

 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:10:16 PM  
sabyJeBus: i don't see a real reason why he doesn't actually release the records to the public like everybody else does, instead of putting up a farking jpeg that people can analyze to hell and back and still never prove beyond a shadow of a doubt whether its legit or not.

I do. It's illegal to do so. And factcheck.org was able to analyze the physical copy of it. So in short, you're an idiot.

 
printboy [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:10:39 PM  
Obama did release his birth certificate....

You just can't see it....

It's Transparent !!!!

 
boob_lady 2009-07-02 07:11:01 PM  
andrew131:

"I'm not an anti-Obama tard, I voted for him because I thought he had the better team behind him. Nor do I believe he's a Kenyan born person, regardless he was born of an American mother so by virtue he is a citizen.

However, I do think the "real" birth certificate is misleading. It's not the original version, it's an "official copy". That's why it looks so neat and made circa 2008."

I got my oldest son's birth certificate out to register him for kindergarten. Later, my younger son scribbled on it with crayon. Fast forward 11 years, I need the birth certificate again to get my oldest son his driver's license. So I head down the county records department, pay the fee and get another copy. Is my son less of a U.S. citizen because he only has an official copy of his birth certificate and not the original?

 
Ant 2009-07-02 07:11:21 PM  
SkinnyHead: So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.

No. I don't think he's even paying attention to conspiracy nuts like yourself.

 
Bloody William 2009-07-02 07:12:06 PM  
printboy: Obama did release his birth certificate....

You just can't see it....

It's Transparent !!!!


Tell us how KOS stands for Keith Olbermann Show. I never get tired of that.

 
spleef420 2009-07-02 07:12:18 PM  
RemyDuron: spleef420: emilyek_1: Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

yeah, the same "Leftists" that swore McCain wasn't elligible either because he was born in Panama during the construction of the canal...it was US territory until the canal was fininshed.

There's idiots on all sides and this isn't a right or left issue, dumbass.

All of these farking people need to EABOD.

I have never seen anyone claim that. I've seen a lot of people joke about it in response to the Obama birth certificate controversy, but I've never seen anyone say "John McCain is not eligible because he was born in Panama." I've seen people ask why he was eligible if he was born in Panama (two US parents and technically on US soil at the time). I'd bet there was someone out there who believed that, but to imply that they are at all as numerous or vocal as the birthers is ridiculous.


It was going around quite a bit in the months leading up to the election. Once conservatives realized the McCain (thanks entirely to Palin) had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the election they started the same whargarble against Obama.

 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 07:12:37 PM  
printboy: Obama did release his birth certificate....

You just can't see it....

It's Transparent !!!!


Much like your brain, or Mark Sanford's fidelity.

 
Corvus 2009-07-02 07:13:18 PM  
Fart_Machine: SkinnyHead: zabadu: The law does not require disclosure of:

Records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
[Haw. Rev. Stat. § 92F-13(1)]

So now Obama's claiming that he can't get a copy of his own birth certificate under Hawaii's Open Records Law because it would invade his own personal privacy. The excuses keep getting stranger and stranger.

The State of Hawaii has already confirmed his birth certificate. So you're saying that it's part of the conspiracy as well?


and the whole thing is even if he was born in Kenya, if the State of Hawaii says he is good. Then he is good, case closed.

They really don't care about the logic of it, they just want some excuse to illegitimate his presidency and because he is black it makes it convenient to them to not think of him as a "real American".

 
Com-un-sense 2009-07-02 07:13:24 PM  
GomezAdams: wmoonfox
He won; get over it.

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky ?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word advice would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe?

If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he is inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

Hmmmm?


Wouldn't have cared.

Wouldn't have cared.

Wouldn't have cared.

Would have been funny.

Not applicable, Obama's cabinet and circle of advisors aren't "filled" with such people.

Would have been expected and funny.

Not applicable, as Obama answers questions in his press conferences on the fly. And unlike W, he actually answers most of the questions. Then again, I'd have approved if W used a teleprompter to get through a press conference because, assuming he could actually read it, it might lead to an answer that didn't sound like it came from a retarded fifth grader.

Would have loved it. Might have shown that Bush had some interest in stemming the coming economic disaster.

Now I have a few questions I'd love for you to answer...

Would it take you more or less than 24 hours to call for the impeachment and subsequent execution of a Democrat if they led us into a war on false pretenses?

Do you believe in dinosaurs?

Do you know what fiscal responsibility is and do you think George W. Bush practiced it?

Do you know that 40 years from now, Republicans spewing their gay hate will look like the folks chanting "2, 4, 6, 8, we don't want to integrate?"

 
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