elchip

fReeptastic!


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Dear God! If the McCain campaign finds out about this Obama is done for.

I'm all for a national, public petition to get to the bottom of lists.

Then we publish the list.

It's an easy way to pre-screen potential employees for mental illness.

elchip: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Why doesn't Sarah Palin release the DNA tests proving that she is actually Trig's mother, and not Bristol?

Because SHUT UP!

House of Tards: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because you won't accept that either?

Because he has better things to do?

Because he has provided enough legal documentation to prove native citizenship to everyone except the same types of lunatics who think the moon landing was a hoax?

Because an internet petition by WND (a petition which they have not released, by the way most likely because I.P. Freely signed it several times), that has roughly as many signatures as the state of Montana has people is not exactly a burgeoning issue?

Because the other 300 million American people don't feel the president should jump through hoops every time a bunch of conspiracy theorists come up with some crazy charge?

Shut your mouth when the GED in Law is talking.

elchip: I know you're joking, but according to Hawai'i, the father and mother specify the race they want to appear there

Well, Mr Buzzkill, I guess it ISN'T proof then.

Went to a birther site, that was about the only really interesting point they made.

Jim_Callahan: Man, I never thought I'd compliment truthers, but at least their conspiracy is about something relatively important.

What is so stupid about the entire birth certificate, his mother was born in Kansas. Because his mother was a citizen, no matter where Obama was born he would be a natural born citizen.

It's like arguing that the moon is really made of cheese. It's just incredibly stupid.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Short answer, which you've been told several times before:

The "original" birth certificate cannot be released under Hawaii statute 338:18. Obama couldn't legally disseminate that document if he wanted to.

The certificate of live birth he released is valid in the eyes of the law, and serves are prima facie evidence of his natural birth, which means unless there is strong, specific evidence to indicate otherwise, it will hold up without question.

The director of the Hawaii Department of Health issued a statement saying that yes, the original certificate does exist, and yes, it is valid. That statement has been backed up by the governor of Hawaii.

With all of these in mind, there is only one conclusion I can reach:

There is absolutely no legal way for Obama to "prove" his natural citizenship to the birthers. The way they are demanding is illegal according to Hawaii state law and every attempt to convince them previously has fallen on utterly deaf ears. The COLB, the statement from the Hawaii DoB, the newspaper birth announcement, all of these are overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans, and according to the various rulings over the last few months by birther nuts trying to make this a legal issue, overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the law.

Obama cannot do anything to prove that he was born in America and still uphold the law in the eyes of the birthers. Fortunately, with the exception of that exceedingly shrill and willfully ignorant vocal minority, that doesn't farking matter.

He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because Hawaii doesn't keep them on file anymore. If he authorized them to release his birth certificate, they would release the copy he has already made available.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because, the State of Hawaii has a law that says you cannot release the Certificate of Live Birth to anyone.

Well, then, if the birth certificate is ok, he still can't hold office because he isn't HUMAN! He's a reptilian-demon cross, and is most likely the Anti-Buddha! Here is a picture of him transforming between his demon and reptilian forms!



What more proof do you need!!11!

jake3988: I do love that he smacked them down. Also, it just goes to show you how wrong the conservatives are that obama supposedly picks what journalists can go into there. If they let the nutjobs from WND in, they'll let anyone in.

I don't see how it shows the theory (as supported by Helen Thomas of all people) that journalists are hand-picked is wrong.

If I were Obama, I'd rather have some nutbars (like WND) that opposed me to demolish than allow a credible threat to ask me pointed questions.

SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

I don't know if you have figured this out yet or not, but progressives want Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Jim DeMint, the teabaggers and the birfers to have as grandiose of a voice as possible for the conservative movement. The more they talk the less effective the GOP is.

Bloody William: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Short answer, which you've been told several times before:

The "original" birth certificate cannot be released under Hawaii statute 338:18. Obama couldn't legally disseminate that document if he wanted to.

The certificate of live birth he released is valid in the eyes of the law, and serves are prima facie evidence of his natural birth, which means unless there is strong, specific evidence to indicate otherwise, it will hold up without question.

The director of the Hawaii Department of Health issued a statement saying that yes, the original certificate does exist, and yes, it is valid. That statement has been backed up by the governor of Hawaii.

With all of these in mind, there is only one conclusion I can reach:

There is absolutely no legal way for Obama to "prove" his natural citizenship to the birthers. The way they are demanding is illegal according to Hawaii state law and every attempt to convince them previously has fallen on utterly deaf ears. The COLB, the statement from the Hawaii DoB, the newspaper birth announcement, all of these are overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans, and according to the various rulings over the last few months by birther nuts trying to make this a legal issue, overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the law.

Obama cannot do anything to prove that he was born in America and still uphold the law in the eyes of the birthers. Fortunately, with the exception of that exceedingly shrill and willfully ignorant vocal minority, that doesn't farking matter.

//insert picture of crowd clapping here.
///tired of the birthers who are really KKK in disguise.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

Please read Bloody William's post and stop using the internet.

emilyek_1: The inquiry is completely valid.

The inquiry has been answered you stupid coont.

I'm trying to explain this "controversy" to my coworkers. They've never heard of the Birther movement. I had to show them SkinnyHead's comment to prove I'm not making this all up.

/Then they asked me why it said "GED in Law" by his name.

Sgt Otter: HE CAN'T REMEMBER THE ROUTINE BIRTH OF A HEALTHY BABY NEARLY 50 YEARS AGO!!! WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU LIBTARDS NEED?

Routine birth? The man is president! You're telling me if you were a doctor who gave birth to the first black President of the United States you wouldn't remember? Your stupid.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

C'mon, were all good friends on Fark. Tell us what you really think. crack this sucker wide open for us.

I am certain that he was born in the US There is no question about it. But I am surprised that you don't have to show a birth certificate before taking the oath to at lease someone.

When I joined the army a while back, I had to give my birth certificate to be a lowly E-4.

Shouldn't the commander in chief have to compile a similar packet of information?

I have actually printed up these stickers and now go around to burger joints putting them on all the straw dispensers. I was well worth the $50.

The only way to clear Obama's name is through a private commission. Obama & Biden are allowed to testify together, not under oath, but with a transcript.

It works every time!

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

He's the son of an American citizen, therefor the argument is moot.

TheMadChaosopher: Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.

So? Under US Law Obama can be born on Mars and still be a natural born citizen by the simple act of being born to a natural born citizen. Happens all the time. Which is why the whole birth certificate "issue" is so full of FAIL.

Zeppelininthesky: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because, the State of Hawaii has a law that says you cannot release the Certificate of Live Birth to anyone.

I meant Birth Certificate...

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

He is also the son of an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth. No matter where he was born he is a natural born citizen.

The inquiry is completely stupid.

I say let the riots begin and thin the herd.
I'll be up in the hills waitin it out to pick up the pieces later

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

He produced a legal birth certificate a year ago, so the inquiry is moot and only being made by nutjobs who are so pissed that he won the election that they will never accept the result.

Some of them are racists. Some of them are just too hardcore in their conservative beliefs to accept reality. All of them are stupid.

Chuck Wagon: Because his mother was a citizen, no matter where Obama was born he would be a natural born citizen.

He could have renounced his citizenship, or his mother could have renounced hers prior to delivery, and that would obviate this. Another one of the tortuous arguments from that birther site. I suspect it's at least technically true. In that case, you'd have to get proof from the State Department, or if he popped up with citizenship in a country that requires renunciation it would be "proof" that he had renounced. Sort of.

emilyek_1

He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

You should have left at the first two lines, the extra mini-rant tips the post beyond believable.

Quit while you're ahead.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

That is a statement, not an inquiry.

He won; get over it.

montex: If you want to know what a racist looks like - but they don't know they're racists - just say Hi to a Birther.

This.

House of Tards: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Because you won't accept that either?

Because he has better things to do?

Because he has provided enough legal documentation to prove native citizenship to everyone except the same types of lunatics who think the moon landing was a hoax?

Because an internet petition by WND (a petition which they have not released, by the way most likely because I.P. Freely signed it several times), that has roughly as many signatures as the state of Montana has people is not exactly a burgeoning issue?

Because the other 300 million American people don't feel the president should jump through hoops every time a bunch of conspiracy theorists come up with some crazy charge?

And because it keeps the birfers busy chasing a wild rabbit, instead of trying to undermine his presidency like the haters have done with other Presidents.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

The inquiry is completely valid.

Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

a) The last time anyone mentioned loosening restrictions on who can be president, it was Republicans after the Governator was elected.

b) CITATION NEEDED on "Leftists" (whatever the fark that means to the hamster wheel that's cranking around in your head) find it too restrictive and Far Right.

c) You've got so many strawmen that you attack, it looks like you're being gangbanged in a cornfield.

emilyek_1

No, wait, I was wrong. You are apparently believable enough for at least seven bites.

erewhon: He could have renounced his citizenship, or his mother could have renounced hers prior to delivery, and that would obviate this. Another one of the tortuous arguments from that birther site. I suspect it's at least technically true. In that case, you'd have to get proof from the State Department, or if he popped up with citizenship in a country that requires renunciation it would be "proof" that he had renounced. Sort of.

A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
3. sign an oath of renunciation

/yea sure that happened

But it's a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Those are TOTALLY different things!

elchip: SkinnyHead: Rather than ridicule the 400,000 citizens who have asked to see the original Certificate of Live Birth, why doesn't Obama just authorize release of that document? His stubborn refusal to do so is perpetuating the issue.

Why doesn't Sarah Palin release the DNA tests proving that she is actually Trig's mother, and not Bristol?


Let's start simply: Is she a woman?

bboy: But it's a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Those are TOTALLY different things!

Especially since Hawaii has no such document called 'birth certificate'.

Jim_Callahan: Man, I never thought I'd compliment truthers, but at least their conspiracy is about something relatively important.

Yep, right after the "We never went to the Moon" conspiracy and before the "Trilateral Commission runs the world" one.

jake3988: I do love that he smacked them down. Also, it just goes to show you how wrong the conservatives are that obama supposedly picks what journalists can go into there. If they let the nutjobs from WND in, they'll let anyone in.

Actually, they have to email the questions in, then they are picked the next day, or the administration calls them the day before to discuss the question.

This is no longer a secret and can be confirmed by the white house. This is for "formal" events.



During today's briefing, Thomas interrupted a back-and-forth between Gibbs and Chip Reid, the White House correspondent for CBS News, when Reid was questioning Gibbs about who was going to decide what questions would be asked of President Obama in a townhall meeting that was scheduled to take place in Annandale, Va., today.

Gibbs then had an exchange involving Reid and Thomas that went as follows:

Gibbs: "... But, again, let's--How about we do this? I promise we will interrupt the AP's tradition of asking the first question. I will let you [Chip Reid] ask me a question tomorrow as to whether you thought the questions at the town hall meeting that the President conducted in Annandale-"

Chip Reid: "I'm perfectly happy to-"

Helen Thomas: "That's not his point. The point is the control--"

Reid: "Exactly."

Thomas: "We have never had that in the White House. And we have had some, but not-- This White House."

Gibbs: "Yes, I was going to say, I'll let you amend her question."

Thomas: "I'm amazed. I'm amazed at you people who call for openness and transparency and-"

Gibbs: "Helen, you haven't even heard the questions."

Reid: "It doesn't matter. It's the process."

Thomas: "You have left open-"

Reid: "Even if there's a tough question, it's a question coming from somebody who was invited or was screened, or the question was screened."

Thomas: "It's shocking. It's really shocking."

Gibbs: "Chip, let's have this discussion at the conclusion of the town hall meeting. How about that?"

Reid: "Okay."

Gibbs: "I think-"

Thomas: "No, no, no, we're having it now--"

Gibbs: "Well, I'd be happy to have it now."

Thomas: "It's a pattern."

Gibbs: "Which question did you object to at the town hall meeting, Helen?"

Thomas: "It's a pattern. It isn't the question-"

Gibbs: "What's a pattern?"

Thomas: "It's a pattern of controlling the press."

Gibbs: "How so? Is there any evidence currently going on that I'm controlling the press--poorly, I might add."

Thomas: "Your formal engagements are pre-packaged."

Gibbs: "How so?"

Reid: "Well, and controlling the public-"

Thomas: "How so? By calling reporters the night before to tell them they're going to be called on. That is shocking."

Gibbs: "We had this discussion ad nauseam and-"

Thomas: "Of course you would, because you don't have any answers."

Gibbs: "Well, because I didn't know you were going to ask a question, Helen.
Go ahead."

Thomas: "Well, you should have."

Reporter: Thank you for your support.

Gibbs: "That's good. Have you e-mailed your question today?"

Thomas: "I don't have to e-mail it. I can tell you right now what I want to ask."

Gibbs: "I don't doubt that at all, Helen. I don't doubt that at all."

Thomas, 89, has covered the White House during every presidency since John F. Kennedy's.

Meh, this is boring. The real fun comes from that crazy blogger who made an enormous post "proving" that Obama's real father was Malcolm X.

Here, let me get that for you.

/hot

bravian: A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

Yeah, yeah, bla bla. I know all about how you do it - my wife had to do the fake renunciation cha-cha to get a dual citizenship here.

CW was saying that Obama-mere's Kansan birth was incontrovertible concrete establishment of citizenship - it's not.

The Birthers couldn't care less whether they see Obama's birth certificate. What they really want to see is his DEATH certificate.

Vangor:
Routine birth? The man is president! You're telling me if you were a doctor who gave birth to the first black President of the United States you wouldn't remember? Your stupid.

Especially a male doctor, you would think that he would remember giving birth.

emilyek_1: He's the son of a foreign national.

As well as the son of a citizen.

emilyek_1: The inquiry is completely valid.

The inquiry has been answered multiple times to the fullest extent one can answer. Sure, the inquiry can be valid, but the idiotic insinuation of the claim by repetitiously asking for excessive, implausible evidence is not valid.

emilyek_1: Also, it's precisely the kind of thing that Leftists would feel it was OK to lie about or obfuscate, since having to be born in the United States to be President is just too restrictive and Far Right a notion.

Not too restrictive, but, in such an age where people in Washington state know what is happening in Washington D.C. a second after it occurs, what subterfuge could a foreign national actually perform which is more harmful than embroiling us in a five year military conflict? The notion is primitive, which seems in line with calling the notion Far Right.