fernt: What I object to is not only the intrusion of privacy, but the level of resigned acceptance to further federal governmental invasions of privacy by the Checked Out Generation. They're being ushered, like cattle to the slaughterhouse, towards the inevitable chip in their ass...and they don't seem to care.

Can't say I disagree with being upset by the trend, but the worst of its been going on for years. Since 1937 at least. Really during the Nixon and Reagan years did it start getting particularly bad, the government waging a war against its own citizens. Effectively repealing the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. As bad as the Patriot Act is, it can't hold a what we've already come to accept over the past 40 years.

tnpir: It's stunning it took the GOP this long to figure it out, but better late than never, eh?

I just wonder why Bachmann hates George Bush? I mean, he gave millions to ACORN...

but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.

voter registration fraud. get it straight.

Not rape...unintended intercourse....

Davey Croquette: Okay, so Election registration fraud is excusable so long as it's performed by "paid lackeys".

For the umpteenth time.

Zagloba: Someone above posted a thing that said the range of fines was $100-$5000. I guess they use a sliding scale where $100 is for scrawling "Romani Eant Domum" on the sheet, while $5000 is for crucifying the local procurator.

you are my fark hero of the day
/it comes with a small halo
/and a gourd
/and a sandal

Davey Croquette: but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.



so you are afraid of what might happen?

alright troll. going on my ignore list for being blatantly dishonest.

Davey Croquette: Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse.

As stated before:

what_now: The Census is under the purview of the Department of Commerce, which is controlled by the White House.

Do you know which filthy socialist did this? Theodore Roosevelt.

Davey Croquette: voter registration fraud. get it straight.

Not rape...unintended intercourse....

Please cite an example of a fraudulent vote being cast in this past election.

Until then, you are about ohhhhh 8 months late with this talking point about omgACORN! Srsly Dave, you do better trawling work than this. This is libbynomore level of work. All you need is to get rid of full stops and replace them with some ellipses and voila! libbynomore.

Oh, wait. lol.

I think the GOP is seriously considering dropping Bachmann, her political style is better suited to the early 2000s.


You know, the Founding Fathers did have a fundamental distrust of government, but they also saw enough of a need for government that they established the basic foundations for government as we know it.

The FFs had an idea of what they did not want government to be, and that was one that was small enough to be dominated by one group, or a government that only acted in the interests of a few.

Because of the tendency for governments to be dominated by powerful minorities who then abuse the power, the FFs separated the government to provide checks and balances, as well as providing underlying rules which protected all people, and even provided certain rights to citizens.

Not only that, but the FFs included the need for a census, and specifically gave the government that power.

It's not entirely accurate just to say that the FFs had a distrust of government, they had a distrust of those who would try to dominate government for self interest.

Considering Michelle Bachmann, you have to ask whether she is someone the FFs would have taken seriously, or is Bachmann someone who the FFs would have used as an example of the kind of people they were worried about being apart of any government they established.

rastjr: A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

The rastjr doth protest too much, methinks.

equilibrium:

distrust of government ≠ rampant paranoia

No, but it's a good place to start. A journey of a thousand terrors begins with a single fear. Or something.

I like to think my skepticism is measured and reasonable but I also like mayonnaise sandwiches.

Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets. Don't bother with him.

Minnesota--the state where the ex-wrestler and the wimpy TV comedian are on the upper end of the sanity scale compared to their other politicians.

Davey Croquette: but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.

Dude. Teddy Roosevelt is the one who put it under the Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

For the umpteenth time.

If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Here's a Newsflash: Obama lied to you. Obama used you. Obama thinks you're a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon. That and a penchant for thick booty.

Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

It's not in Commerce. It's in the Office of the Whitehouse. Hence the "unprecedented" moniker applied in every article you read on the subject.

Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud

I would love to see you talk your way out of this sentence. Please show me the connection.

mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Do you have any idea how many fraudulent registrations would have to make it past the state/county SecState office before you would have a prayer of committing election fraud?

Are you innumerate? Do big numbers scare you?

SherKhan: fernt:



This.

Mistrust. Not tin-foil-pants-on-head paranoia.

elchip: rastjr: A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

The rastjr doth protest too much, methinks.

Shakespeare. Doesn't make you an intellectual.

If you support Barack Obama you'd probably better not celebrate the Fourth of July as the Gods of Karma will certainly smite you in your un-patriotic tuckus.

The Onanist: Bets?

He wagered a year of TF for nine or ten people that either McCain would end up president or that Obama wouldn't (I can't remember which) back in April or May, when the (R) primary was wrapped up but the (D) primary was still going strong.

Zeppelininthesky: Dude. Teddy Roosevelt is the one who put it under the Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

this is quite interesting
cause they keep saying that it was FDR
they being the goptards
of course, everyone knows that teddy was a RINO

The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Katherine Harris has bigger tits

.

Yeah, but Bachmann is better looking.

Craziness in the bedroom? -- probably a dead heat.

I'll fill out the Census form. All but the 'Race' section. I'm going to check 'Other' and fill in 'Meat Popsicle'.

Davey Croquette: If you support Barack Obama you'd probably better not celebrate the Fourth of July as the Gods of Karma will certainly smite you in your un-patriotic tuckus.

mkay, time to just ignore you
I have no trouble with debate, with opposition
but, man, trolls just suck the life out of fark

crap!
but so far I have only put "show us the birth certifcate" trolls on my ignore list
crap!
well you can get to be the first

/buhbye

better not show up at my door.

Davey Croquette: It's not in Commerce. It's in the Office of the Whitehouse. Hence the "unprecedented" moniker applied in every article you read on the subject.

LOL WUT (^)

/looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

Do you have any idea how many fraudulent registrations would have to make it past the state/county SecState office before you would have a prayer of committing election fraud?

Let the Secretary sort it out. Beautiful. When states allow registration the day of the primary election.

Do you people actually think this stuff through or just repeat each other?

rastjr: Shakespeare.



Benefits of a classical education.

Davey Croquette: For the umpteenth time.

If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Here's a Newsflash: Obama lied to you. Obama used you. Obama thinks you're a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon. That and a penchant for thick booty.

If you don't understand the difference between ELECTION fraud and REGISTRATION fraud you are a liar and are being dishonest.

Davey Croquette lies to us. Davey Croquette used us. Davey Croquette thinks you are a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon.

rastjr: Shakespeare. Doesn't make you an intellectual.

Nope. Knowing a little Shakespeare is basic.

namatad: of course, everyone knows that teddy was a RINO

Doesn't a RINO have to actually call him/herself a Republican, not a Bull Moose?

looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

You people MUST be purposely obtuse. No one could be so accidentally uninformed.

ravenlore: The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. What a douche.

gustakooka: Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud

I would love to see you talk your way out of this sentence. Please show me the connection.

I heard that like ten dead "Mr Mickey Mouse"s voted for Obama last November. That's how Obama got FL.

Zagloba: Want more than two viable parties?

You gotta change the voting system. Winner-Take-All for every single elected office is no way to go through life, son.

If you go to a multiparty system you would also need to change the way budgets are done - stalemates are normal in a multiparty legislature, so you can't have government grinding to a halt every time the budget doesn't pass. You need to have it so that everything stays funded at its previous level, and budgets only modify the existing status quo once they are passed.

Davey Croquette: They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

So Bachmann is lying?

First it was President Obama trying to break all precedent and run the 2010 census from within the White House. While the administration finally backed down from that politicization of the census, it clearly hasn't learned its lesson. Now it is having ACORN officially "partner" with the Census to help count the number of Americans in the country. It's like Santa trusting a child to tell him how many times he or she has been good in the past year.
(Judicial Watch)

First of all: yes, yes she is. She does it a lot. It's kind of a thing with her.

Second of all: Yes, we all know ACORN is helping with the census. There are two things you are unaware of:
1) ACORN is not performing the Census. They are merely informing their employees that the Census is looking for people to ask questions. They're advertising, in other words. I guess if you believe that ACORN is a cutthroat gang of convicted felons you would object to this, because that's who would be advertised to, but if you believe that I have to ask what color the sky is in your world.

2) ACORN was never convicted of election fraud. Several employees were charged with voter registration fraud, which is different, since the false voters never actually influenced the outcome of the election (since "Mickey Mouse" never showed up to vote) and ACORN was the one who brought these people to the attention of law enforcement.

In other news, Bachmann still went full retard - no matter how hard the butthurts try and change the subject.

Davey Croquette lies to us. Davey Croquette used us. Davey Croquette thinks you are a sucker.

True.

Some people don't even understand why the census is conducted, that's why they are so easily misled.

Acorn is a favorite target of Glenn Beck, he attacks them daily. It all leads back to the low information voter demographic that Fox News targets. If the viewers were even a smidge more informed, or a couple of IQ points smarter, they'd realize that there is no merit to this.

Fox News being a news station, on a cable channel, with lots of viewers creates a perception of validity that doesn't really exist.

With some people, you have to start with an explanation of what the Census data is used for. (new window)

I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted, other than for voter fraud apparently. Cause, you know, there aren't any other ways of finding out where the voters are.

ACORN was the one who brought these people to the attention of law enforcement.

Damage control. Kinda like when you think your wife might know you've been screwing around so you 'fess up to the lesser crime of second-base.

Davey Croquette: looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

You people MUST be purposely obtuse. No one could be so accidentally uninformed.

O Really??

Link (new window)

Zagloba: Doesn't a RINO have to actually call him/herself a Republican, not a Bull Moose?

except that he was a republican while he was president
when they called him a RINO, he left the party
he was trying to move the gop toward the progressives ...
so, he was a RINO .... poor guy, maybe the first

All Apologies: Because of the tendency for governments to be dominated by powerful minorities who then abuse the power

vol1805: better not show up at my door.

Who had better not?

If you don't fill out the census form, someone WILL show up at your door. If you don't answer your door, they will ask your neighbors about your information or camp outside your house for a spell.

Like I said before, I worked for the Census Bureau for a spell.

I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted

Your anger towards me is making my sandwich taste better. Like spicy mustard. I don't blame you for being mad- You thought Obama was gonna be something different and he's not. Now you have to bend yourself into philosophical pretzels to support him and protect your fragile, Gen-x ego.

Now you know what it's like to be a Bush supporter!

elchip: rastjr: Shakespeare.



Benefits of a classical education.

The benefits of classical education is to know one line of Shakespeare. You got robbed.