It's stunning it took the GOP this long to figure it out, but better late than never, eh?

Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

How many of these Full Retard threads are gonna get greenlighted?

Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form

I will only answer certain questions. It's a common protest. The government has a constitutional need to know how many of me there are (one). It does not have a constitutional need to know the racial mix of my pet tarantulas.

Hender: what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

McHenry, Westmoreland and Mica - no fans of Acorn - pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

It's good to see that at least some of our GOP leaders understand the concept of the "point of diminishing returns." Clearly Bachmann doesn't.

Did Katherine Harris die when I wasn't watching? I think she's been reincarnated.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican unicorn these days.

FTFY. A moderate conservative is not a Republican.

Hender: I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

mofroe: I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

Oh. Oh yes. I would totally do this.

Anyone wanna put another $20 on me rocking a hijab?

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

All 6 of them?

DamnYankees: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

All 6 of them?

True -- at least renting meeting space should be easy. The "Family Booth" at Stuckey's is usually open 24/7.

ZAZ: I will only answer certain questions. It's a common protest. The government has a constitutional need to know how many of me there are (one). It does not have a constitutional need to know the racial mix of my pet tarantulas.

Then be prepared to pay the $5000 fine.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

oldfarthenry: Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

Agreed. But at this point, I think the GOP has outlived it's usefulness, and the sooner they burn to the ground, the sooner something else can rise in it's place. I'd like to see a third party pop up with actual conservatives in it.

Katherine Harris has bigger tits

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what_now: oldfarthenry: Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

Agreed. But at this point, I think the GOP has outlived it's usefulness, and the sooner they burn to the ground, the sooner something else can rise in it's place. I'd like to see a third party pop up with actual conservatives in it.

That's some dangerous free-market thinking there.

I hope she doesn't stop with the anti-census thing. As Olbermann noted, guess whose district is one of the most likely to be absorbed if a few thousand people vanish from its census count?

what_now: Anyone wanna put another $20 on me rocking a hijab?

I'd chuck in that $20 plus another $10 if you carry a Koran...PLUS, you can crash at my place afterwards (Wet bar in the basement).

gustakooka: what_now: oldfarthenry: Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

Agreed. But at this point, I think the GOP has outlived it's usefulness, and the sooner they burn to the ground, the sooner something else can rise in it's place. I'd like to see a third party pop up with actual conservatives in it.

That's some dangerous free-market thinking there.

Canada went through a phase where the conservative party basically collapsed. We had 12 years of majority Liberal party government that sat on their hands - doing nothing. Now, we have minority governments that require elections every ten months but at least there's an attempt at tackling some legislation.

Also - I was a crew leader for the 1990 census so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/Seriously, no one "skewed" any freaking results.

sepuku2

What's the authority for this supposed $5,000 fine?

The online US Code has a $100 fine -- rarely or never enforced -- for refusing to answer. 13 USC 221(a). There is a $5,000 fine -- probably also rarely enforced -- for government workers and contractors who improperly disclose information. 13 USC 214.

abb3w

Refusing to answer the intrusive questions doesn't diminish the census count of residents.

oldfarthenry: Now, we have minority governments that require elections every ten months but at least there's an attempt at tackling some legislation.

That every ten month thing would get tiresome.

sepuku2: Then be prepared to pay the $5000 fine.

Where did you get THAT number??

13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS

CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES

SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

Of course, given Bachmann's proven delusions and sociopathy, this action by these other lawmakers will only drive her to higher levels of drooling insanity and "justify" her belief that ACORN has infiltrated the Census process at the highest levels.

Which, gotta admit, is going to be even more entertaining.

I've said it before, but Bachmann doesn't scare me. What DOES scare me that there are hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans who look deep into her Manson Lamps, listen to her make outrageous statements and say "We need to send that woman back to Washington, D.C. for another term! You betcha!"

sepuku2: oldfarthenry: Now, we have minority governments that require elections every ten months but at least there's an attempt at tackling some legislation.

That every ten month thing would get tiresome.

It's more like every 2-3 years, and you guys have elections that are orgies of advertising every 2 years.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Of course, given Bachmann's proven delusions and sociopathy, this action by these other lawmakers will only drive her to higher levels of drooling insanity and "justify" her belief that ACORN has infiltrated the Census process at the highest levels.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she proposed reconvening the House Un-American Activities Committee. Clearly the commies have infiltrated the party.

The Onanist: Where did you get THAT number??

From this article (pops) in the NY Post. Could be utter BS for all I know.

The Republican guild leader really needs to gkick the fat and start opening up a recruitment drive.

Diogenes: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she proposed reconvening the House Un-American Activities Committee.

She did.
Link (new window)

oldfarthenry: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

Can't.

"I'm a fiscal conservative" - liar
"I stand for Family Values" - liar

Etc. Even if they mean it.

The Onanist: I'd chuck in that $20 plus another $10 if you carry a Koran...PLUS, you can crash at my place afterwards (Wet bar in the basement).

Heh. Tempting.

The best part of this, would be when she IMMEDIATELY went to the press, you could pull me out- a wholesome looking white girl from New England- to look puzzled and show pictures of me that day wearing khakis and a crisp polo shirt.

Who was it who said the Obamas should invite Rush Limbaugh to dinner, put on matching track suits and serve him fried chicken and watermelon, and then deny that ever happened and watch him go crazy saying it did?

lulz.

Hender: what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

OMG! I would toss in a few dollars for that too!

I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Don't ever change, Michele, and don't ever go away.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: What DOES scare me that there are hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans who look deep into her Manson Lamps, listen to her make outrageous statements and say "We need to send that woman back to Washington, D.C. for another term! You betcha!"

To be fair, she only REALLY went full retard a few months before the election, and she was running against a guy named Elwin Twinkledink with a high school website and a link to a paypal account.

I am sick unto death of hearing that the Census is "unconstitutional." The Constitution says that it's up the legislature to determine which questions are on it. They could ask for your blood type, work schedule and a list of your greatest fears and it would STILL be constitutional.

By definition, anything the legislature puts on the Census is constitutional. The only unconstitutional questions would be ones the census taker makes up on the fly. ZAZ, you may have a valid point that the questions are intrusive, but they ARE constitutional. You have NO leg to stand on claiming that they are not.

tnpir: It's stunning it took the GOP this long to figure it out, but better late than never, eh?

moralpanic: Hender: what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

OMG! I would toss in a few dollars for that too!

Now if you could only do it while being an African American. that would be perfect.

Bachmann would freak.

/ The coroner would probably rule your death whatever the civvy version of "suicide by cop" was.

mofroe: I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

I'd always wondered what an Obama/Hank Venture lovechild would look like.

More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

lawl

Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

Oh my god...

mofroe: Hender: what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama Palin shirt like this one:



/Real Republican women. If dumpy is your thang...

The Census web site says "This fine is changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000." The applicable law seems to be 18 USC 3571(b) saying that all federal infractions are punishable by a fine of $5,000. So not answering a census question is treated the same as not wearing a seat belt while driving on federal property. You probably won't get a ticket for it and if you do you probably won't get a $5,000 fine.

gothelder: Now if you could only do it while being an African American A Mexican/Arabic man. that would be perfect.

Jackpot777

Who the frak is the kid airbrushed on the dude's shirt in back? Fetal-Alcohol-Syndrome Rainbow Brite^tm?

Anyone?

Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

She is a legislator. If she doesn't like the question, then work to have them changed.

Committing and encouraging sedition is NOT working on behalf of the people.

what_now: gothelder: Now if you could only do it while being an African American A GAY Mexican/Arabic man. that would be perfect.


FTFY

graggor: what_now: gothelder: Now if you could only do it while being an African American A GAY ILLEGAL Mexican/Arabic man. that would be perfect.

rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

what_now: Hender: I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

mofroe: I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

Oh. Oh yes. I would totally do this.

Anyone wanna put another $20 on me rocking a hijab?

I would throw in a few bucks as well..

sepuku2: How many of these Full Retard threads are gonna get greenlighted?

As many as are needed to point out all of the instances of political stupidity...so expect to see them for the next few millenia.

Zeppelininthesky: what_now: Hender: I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

mofroe: I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

Oh. Oh yes. I would totally do this.

Anyone wanna put another $20 on me rocking a hijab?

I would throw in a few bucks as well..

Wearing all that, who's going to pitch in the $10k for the body armor he's gonna have to wear under this stuff?

Antimatter: Wearing all that, who's going to pitch in the $10k for the body armor he's gonna have to wear under this stuff?

Well, I'm a girl, hence the hijab, and I'd take a crew of scary looking black people (re: any black people) behind me.

elchip: rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

Wow, the troll comment happened quick today.

It doesn't bother me anymore. People with little to say are little people.

If you don't like what I believe, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm perfectly capable of moving on without elchip in my life.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican Libertarian these days.

Fixed that for you.

what_now: oldfarthenry: Unfortunately, governments work best with a viable opposition to keep things in line. Let's hope the GOP can shake some of its bats from the belfry.

Agreed. But at this point, I think the GOP has outlived it's usefulness, and the sooner they burn to the ground, the sooner something else can rise in it's place. I'd like to see a third party pop up with actual conservatives in it.

What will happen is that eventually the dems will split and instead of having a two party paradigm of "moderate" and "bat shiat crazy right", we will have "somewhat moderate" and "kinda liberal".

If you look at the elected democrats these days, they are a really diverse lot. The only thing that really keeps them together is that the GOP is farking off their rocker. If you take away that pressure on them, then they'd be more than happy to give harry reid/nancy pelosi the finger.

Diogenes: Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

She is a legislator. If she doesn't like the question, then work to have them changed.

Committing and encouraging sedition is NOT working on behalf of the people.

Looks to me like she is the only one who is working to end this unconstitutional census insanity.

You seem to believe that a Japanese person who wouldn't fill out his census form back in 1940 so that he could be rounded up and sent to a concentration camp by FDR was committing sedition.

Sygerrik: I am sick unto death of hearing that the Census is "unconstitutional." The Constitution says that it's up the legislature to determine which questions are on it. They could ask for your blood type, work schedule and a list of your greatest fears and it would STILL be constitutional.

By definition, anything the legislature puts on the Census is constitutional. The only unconstitutional questions would be ones the census taker makes up on the fly. ZAZ, you may have a valid point that the questions are intrusive, but they ARE constitutional. You have NO leg to stand on claiming that they are not.

Blood type - ZE
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elchip: rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.

ZAZ: The Census web site says "This fine is changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000." The applicable law seems to be 18 USC 3571(b) saying that all federal infractions are punishable by a fine of $5,000. So not answering a census question is treated the same as not wearing a seat belt while driving on federal property. You probably won't get a ticket for it and if you do you probably won't get a $5,000 fine.

Most likely nothing will happen. But if enough people decide to "protest" it would be an easy and legal way for the government to make money off other's stupidity. 100,000 people time $5000 each. Half a billion?

The Onanist: sepuku2: Then be prepared to pay the $5000 fine.

Where did you get THAT number??

13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS

CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES

SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

/What's the fine for taking a Hand Held Degausser (new window) to the device they are using to record your houses GPS location to either wipe clean or corrupt the data stored on it? Census Bureau Adopts GPS to Find American Homes (new window)

TwistedFark: What will happen is that eventually the dems will split and instead of having a two party paradigm of "moderate" and "bat shiat crazy right", we will have "somewhat moderate" and "kinda liberal".

If you look at the elected democrats these days, they are a really diverse lot. The only thing that really keeps them together is that the GOP is farking off their rocker. If you take away that pressure on them, then they'd be more than happy to give harry reid/nancy pelosi the finger.

See, I'd be down with that. I think that we need a little bit of pie eyed hippy to keep people from being totally evil, but we also need a party that understands how to act decisively and viciously if needed. I could go for a *real* progressive party, and then the Democratic party. I can see myself voting for either of those parties.

But the GOP has pretty much lost me, and my generation, forever.

I'm curious subby...

Why is it retarded not to want to let the government in on:

- the schedule of when you leave your house and when you return

- my ancestry

- my level of education

- if I have difficulty making decisions

- extensive personal income information

- how I get to work

- how much time off from work I took

- details about my house, how many rooms, bathrooms, etc.

- details of my utility bills

- details about my mortgage

...and so on.

I feel that the federal government is really "getting to know me" on an uncomfortable level. Michele Bachmann may be batshiat crazy, but the federal government should really only need to how many human beings inhabit the structure at that address, and leave the rest up to the states or to the citizens' discretion.

ZAZ: So not answering a census question is treated the same as not wearing a seat belt while driving on federal property. You probably won't get a ticket for it and if you do you probably won't get a $5,000 fine.

Screw that, we should give the maximum fine to all the people who don't answer fully and correctly. Think of all the additional revenue we could get from all those loonies; it would be like a tax on stupid.

Maybe some of you should do some research to see what she's talking about. The census survey is 28 pages, and asks very detailed information that is none of the government's business, and has nothing to do with census requirements. Why would they need to know what time you leave and get home from work? That's one of the questions. Some of you should check facts before attacking someone. Nobody cares how you feel.

gustakooka: The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.

He's to the left of czarangelus. I'm not sure that's possible.

gustakooka: elchip: rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.


Thanks for the support dude. I knew there were some cool guys on Fark.

Elchip will come around.

I honestly believe that this nutbar had no clue what the census even was and, once she was informed that the government was going to ask her specific questions, went into deeper than usual freakout mode.

The few remaining GOP moderates must be pulling out what's left of their hair. They're easy to spot - look to the palm sized red marks on thier foreheads.

"[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

That, quite clearly, provides constitutional grounds for any question they wish to place on the census. While it still must operate in the bounds of the 4th & 5th Amendments (they can't ask you about crimes, and they can't prosecute you for your answers (and they can't discriminate against you for your answers under the 14th)), there's a great deal of leeway in there.

Anyone who says they aren't constitutionally obligated to answer every question on the census is a moron. They have the legal power to ask you near anything- and the very first census in 1790 asked questions about all sorts of things, because it was vital, at the time, to evaluate the available labor pool and industrial infrastructure.

Carth: ZAZ: The Census web site says "This fine is changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000." The applicable law seems to be 18 USC 3571(b) saying that all federal infractions are punishable by a fine of $5,000. So not answering a census question is treated the same as not wearing a seat belt while driving on federal property. You probably won't get a ticket for it and if you do you probably won't get a $5,000 fine.

Most likely nothing will happen. But if enough people decide to "protest" it would be an easy and legal way for the government to make money off other's stupidity. 100,000 people time $5000 each. Half a billion?

We could pump all that money into the economy!! Brilliant!!

naviguesser: Why would they need to know what time you leave and get home from work? That's one of the questions.

To determine if your local roads have more traffic at peak hours than they can readily handle, leading to construction projects that will alleviate traffic upon completion?

graggor: what_now: gothelder: Now if you could only do it while being an African American A GAY Mexican/Arabic man. that would be perfect.


FTFY

Frack I'll do it then. Not arabic though. I could pretend to speak nothing but broken english to her though.

naviguesser: and has nothing to do with census requirements.

Um, that's for Congress to decide. It's quite clearly laid out as one of their powers. They can decide any question is useful, and they're only constrained by things like the 5th Amendment, meaning they can't accuse you of a crime based on your responses.

aimtastic: naviguesser: Why would they need to know what time you leave and get home from work? That's one of the questions.

To determine if your local roads have more traffic at peak hours than they can readily handle, leading to construction projects that will alleviate traffic upon completion?

Oh wait. What was I thinking? It's so they know when no one is home so they can come in and steal your guns and bibles.

LordPomposity: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican unicorn these days.

FTFY. A moderate conservative is not a Republican.

pretty much this right here.

I was going to reply to the same post by saying 'yeah it is,' but stopped because I had the same thought as you do.

The Republican Party is no longer the party for most who consider themselves Republicans. Correction; who used to consider themselves Republicans. Switched to independent recently. Current repubs would probably say I'm like a rat fleeing a sinking ship, but as far as I see it, the rats took over the ship, are driving it onto the rocks, and the people are the ones fleeing.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Of course, given Bachmann's proven delusions and sociopathy, this action by these other lawmakers will only drive her to higher levels of drooling insanity and "justify" her belief that ACORN has infiltrated the Census process at the highest levels.

Which, gotta admit, is going to be even more entertaining.

I've said it before, but Bachmann doesn't scare me. What DOES scare me that there are hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans who look deep into her Manson Lamps, listen to her make outrageous statements and say "We need to send that woman back to Washington, D.C. for another term! You betcha!"

She only represents the 6th district of Minnesota (St. Cloud, Andover, and surrounding areas and lake). The rest of Minnesota sent Democrats and they did finally send Franken.

naviguesser: . The census survey is 28 pages, and asks very detailed information that is none of the government's business, and has nothing to do with census requirements.

1). The Census that everyone has to fill out is 10 TIMES SHORTER THAN THE LAST ONE!!!!

2). The American Community Survey will be mailed out to a small percentage of the population.

There are three new questions:
1) Health Insurance Coverage
2) Marital History
3) VA Service-Connected Disability Rating.

Which of these THREE NEW QUESTIONS, upset you people so much?

netweavr: The Republican guild leader really needs to gkick the fat and start opening up a recruitment drive.

I /lol at this posting.
but are you a raiding guild or do you all just troll in trade chat?

Here you go. Take a look at the Census and the "American Community Survey". It's sooooo scary that they ask me if I have a flush toilet.

Warning PDF

Hold on, I still want to know about the racial background of ZAZ's tarantulas...

naviguesser: Maybe some of you should do some research to see what she's talking about. The census survey is 28 pages, and asks very detailed information that is none of the government's business, and has nothing to do with census requirements. Why would they need to know what time you leave and get home from work? That's one of the questions. Some of you should check facts before attacking someone. Nobody cares how you feel.

You do realize that, as a member of congress, she could just submit legislation to change the questions, right? I mean,that is kinda her job.

Noam Chimpsky: Diogenes: Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

She is a legislator. If she doesn't like the question, then work to have them changed.

Committing and encouraging sedition is NOT working on behalf of the people.

Looks to me like she is the only one who is working to end this unconstitutional census insanity.

You seem to believe that a Japanese person who wouldn't fill out his census form back in 1940 so that he could be rounded up and sent to a concentration camp by FDR was committing sedition.

are you serious dude?
laws were passed to prevent any activity like this first of all. second they were put in internment camps because of the conflict of interest with fighting japan. people like mccarthy and people with similar mindsets as bachmann herself were the ones to perpetuate this kind of behavior.

bachmann isnt an idiot she is just politically safe to come up with strawmen all day and toss them around because she wont lose an election in her area.

its why hannity can banter her around on his show constantly.

they are entertainers and politically safe from removal.

the left has their politicallysafe people as well dont get me wrong.

they just do not have the same kind of media whores to push them around.

hannity beck and limbaugh make a ton of money off of the middle class and poor who listen in. I have often thought of repeating right wing talking points and making outrageous claims because iti s a great way to make cash. beck is cashing in nicely.

elchip: gustakooka: The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.

He's to the left of czarangelus. I'm not sure that's possible.

Haven't come across that dude yet.

Yeah, I'm Liberal. It's still a free country?

Bored Horde: sepuku2: oldfarthenry: Now, we have minority governments that require elections every ten months but at least there's an attempt at tackling some legislation.

That every ten month thing would get tiresome.

It's more like every 2-3 years, and you guys have elections that are orgies of advertising every 2 years.

Plus every 4th year is nothing but an election campaign as far I could tell from Fark.

fernt: I'm curious subby...

Why is it retarded not to want to let the government in on:

- the schedule of when you leave your house and when you return

- my ancestry

- my level of education

- if I have difficulty making decisions

- extensive personal income information

- how I get to work

- how much time off from work I took

- details about my house, how many rooms, bathrooms, etc.

- details of my utility bills

- details about my mortgage

...and so on.

I feel that the federal government is really "getting to know me" on an uncomfortable level. Michele Bachmann may be batshiat crazy, but the federal government should really only need to how many human beings inhabit the structure at that address, and leave the rest up to the states or to the citizens' discretion.

I guess I'm genuinely curious, does your name get attached to the census? I always sassumed it was "anonymous". If you're names not attached, then where's that irrational fear coming from?

I often wonder how many of the people complaining about the census have actually taken the 30 seconds of Googling it took to find the questions that are going to be asked.

The Census Bureau has submitted its questions to Congress, and amazingly enough, they can be found at the Census website.

Or, because I'm a nice guy, you can read the PDF here. (new window)



PS. Also, there is no Long Form survey this year. Instead, the Long form questions are being moved to the American Community Survey which is done every year, but on a much smaller statistical sample.

Antimatter: You do realize that, as a member of congress, she could just submit legislation to change the questions, right? I mean,that is kinda her job.

Pretty much this. I really wish someone would bring this up to Congresswoman Cuckoobananas here. Just be like "Representative Bachman, if only there were a way to change what questions were asked on the census, perhaps the people of MN's 6th district could elect someone every 2 years who had the power to do that?"

ZAZ: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form

I will only answer certain questions. It's a common protest. The government has a constitutional need to know how many of me there are (one). It does not have a constitutional need to know the racial mix of my pet tarantulas.

sure, no problem
go ahead and skip the questions on race and whether you are a black gay muslim

cause you know that they are going to fill that data in to make sure that they can change the stats to fit their social-political agenda, right?

/wow, who knew that trolling could be this fun?

Sum Dum Gai [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 10:36:37 AM
"Screw that, we should give the maximum fine to all the people who don't answer fully and correctly. Think of all the additional revenue we could get from all those loonies; it would be like a tax on stupid."

We already have that: It's called the lottery.

rastjr: Haven't come across that dude yet.

I'm pretty sure he's made an ... involuntary departure from this site.

Yeah, I'm Liberal. It's still a free country?

Sure. But often you seem to act like a caricature of one.

The Census is taken every ten years, so there must be LOTS of examples where they used the information for evil purposes.

And there are hundreds of examples of ACORN voter fraud that stole elections.

Right? Right?

LANGUAGE SPOKEN AT HOME asked 1890-1940, since 1960
other questions we really want you not to answer
cause clearly, if you skip this, you probably dont speak the engrish

Let me see if I've got this right... Republicans hate Acorn because they help the poor and disenfranchised participate in the American political system?

Flatulent_Flea: The Census is taken every ten years, so there must be LOTS of examples where they used the information for evil purposes.

And there are hundreds of examples of ACORN voter fraud that stole elections.

Right? Right?

There's one, the Japanese internment thing that keeps coming up. One example. And they passed a law shortly thereafter to prevent that ever happening again.

but forget all that, it's re-education camps for us

namatad: netweavr: The Republican guild leader really needs to gkick the fat and start opening up a recruitment drive.

I /lol at this posting.
but are you a raiding guild or do you all just troll in trade chat?

They used to be a hardcore raiding guild but recently got weighed down by a bunch of under geared baddies with tunnel-vision. Those people like to wave the guild tag while making fun of other people.

Gone?

That boat sailed out to Retardville a long time ago...

bboy: Let me see if I've got this right... Republicans hate Acorn because they help the poor and disenfranchised participate in the American political system?

No, no, they stole elections by reporting to the government when one of their unscrupulous employees filled out voter registration forms for "Mickey Mouse".

Noam Chimpsky: Looks to me like she is the only one who is working to end this unconstitutional census insanity.

You seem to believe that a Japanese person who wouldn't fill out his census form back in 1940 so that he could be rounded up and sent to a concentration camp by FDR was committing sedition.

1) The Census is required by the Constitution. You seem to be saying the framers were wrong.

2) The Census wasn't the problem in regard the Japanese. The misuse of the information was.

MindStalker: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Of course, given Bachmann's proven delusions and sociopathy, this action by these other lawmakers will only drive her to higher levels of drooling insanity and "justify" her belief that ACORN has infiltrated the Census process at the highest levels.

Which, gotta admit, is going to be even more entertaining.

I've said it before, but Bachmann doesn't scare me. What DOES scare me that there are hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans who look deep into her Manson Lamps, listen to her make outrageous statements and say "We need to send that woman back to Washington, D.C. for another term! You betcha!"

She only represents the 6th district of Minnesota (St. Cloud, Andover, and surrounding areas and lake). The rest of Minnesota sent Democrats and they did finally send Franken.

I didn't mean to imply I was bashing every Minnesotan for Bachmann -- sorry if that's how it came across. I'm just referring to those of her roughly 600,000 constituents that think she's worth re-electing.

Figure of those 600k residents 300k are eligible and registered to vote, and of that 300k there are 125k who would vote D no matter what and 125k whowould vote R no matter what.

I'm talking about the 125,000 "R or DIE" voters plus those of the 50,000 swing votes that sent her back. THOSE are the ones who need to crush a little more tinfoil on their antennae, because there's some heavy interference.

what_now: Heh. Tempting.

The offer will stand. I'd even drive you up to her compound if need be.

Sygerrik: There's one, the Japanese internment thing that keeps coming up. One example. And they passed a law shortly thereafter to prevent that ever happening again.

yah
and that was 60+ years ago, one of the most shameful things done by our government, and, that is your only example??

I would rather point out the gerimandering which goes on.
creating districts which are racially or polically slanted makes we want to puke.

/and I have never voted for the GOP
/fricking both sides play this game, no wonder there will never be a 3rd party

t3knomanser: and they're only constrained by things like the 5th Amendment, meaning they can't accuse you of a crime based on your responses

Which is exactly what she gave as a reason for not answering. Her grasp of the Constitution is quite amazing.

what_now: naviguesser: . The census survey is 28 pages, and asks very detailed information that is none of the government's business, and has nothing to do with census requirements.

1). The Census that everyone has to fill out is 10 TIMES SHORTER THAN THE LAST ONE!!!!

2). The American Community Survey will be mailed out to a small percentage of the population.

There are three new questions:
1) Health Insurance Coverage
2) Marital History
3) VA Service-Connected Disability Rating.

Which of these THREE NEW QUESTIONS, upset you people so much?

The evil commie debil-worshiping muslim terrorist illegal homosexual America-hating questions!

/Duh.

The Onanist:

SNIP

(Wet bar in the basement).


Why are we not having the Fark Party at your house?!?

The Onanist: The offer will stand. I'd even drive you up to her compound if need be.

She has a compound?? Is it a scary crazy compound or a Kennedy like compound? Because I feel my resolve wavering if she has a ton of crazy well armed guards..

FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

Davey Croquette: FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

You know, just because you heard it on Fox News doesn't mean it's true.

aimtastic: naviguesser: Why would they need to know what time you leave and get home from work? That's one of the questions.

To determine if your local roads have more traffic at peak hours than they can readily handle, leading to construction projects that will alleviate traffic upon completion?

Exactly. The questions on the form weren't exactly pulled out of someone's butt.

The Onanist: Whoever ... willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

What if I have someone use enhanced interrogation techniques to force me to give a false answer?

"Oh god- make it stop- ahhhhgh - I'm a transvestite! I worship the color yellow! I kidnapped the Lindbergh baby! I put the 'ram' in the 'ram-a-lam-a-ding-dong'!"

Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election registration fraud?

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm talking about the 125,000 "R or DIE" voters plus those of the 50,000 swing votes that sent her back. THOSE are the ones who need to crush a little more tinfoil on their antennae, because there's some heavy interference.

Well, to be fair, we rounded up most of the red-state nutters into her district. There are still a few just south of the Twin Cities as well (John Kline).

Davey Croquette: FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

Davey Croquette: FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

Oh noes!!Teh liberal devil worshiping muslin terrorists in ACORN is brainwashing our brave Republican real Americans with scary socialist questions!!

ravenlore: Why are we not having the Fark Party at your house?!?

Um, we CAN if you want...I'm only about a mile off the LRT by Nokomis. i have an HD LCD entertainment center and bubble hockey in my bar, too...and a grill.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election registration fraud?

Drivers' License Registration? No.

Car Registration? No.

Bridal Registration? No.

Voter Registration? YES.

You Obamapologists lack of skepticism is no better than the neo-freep giving GWB a free ride.

As you ponder what might be the "problem" with America realize it's you.

what_now: She has a compound?? Is it a scary crazy compound or a Kennedy like compound? Because I feel my resolve wavering if she has a ton of crazy well armed guards..

Not sure - I just assume she has one. I'll check into this.

And you should have a black Muslim guy accompany you...I think my Congressman, Keith Ellison, might want to go.

Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election registration fraud?

Drivers' License Registration? No.

Car Registration? No.

Bridal Registration? No.

Voter Registration? YES.

You Obamapologists lack of skepticism is no better than the neo-freep giving GWB a free ride.

As you ponder what might be the "problem" with America realize it's you.

So you admit you have no idea what ACORN even does...

They are scary and must be evil because they are Liberal.

Zeppelininthesky: Davey Croquette: FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

Oh noes!!Teh liberal devil worshiping muslin terrorists in ACORN is brainwashing our brave Republican real Americans with scary socialist questions!!

Election fraud? Is that even a real term?

CrazyCracka420: I guess I'm genuinely curious, does your name get attached to the census? I always sassumed it was "anonymous". If you're names not attached, then where's that irrational fear coming from?

The only way to even approach any type of anonymity, according to one government source, is to not list yourself as head of the household. But you still have to list yourself as living there.

And my fear isn't irrational - it comes from a sense of history, and how and why this country was founded in the first place.

But I realize you youngsters weren't taught much history, and probably no civics in public school...instead you were taught multiculturalism and various "study packets" provided by the United Nations. So you may be unaware that:

The Onanist: what_now: She has a compound?? Is it a scary crazy compound or a Kennedy like compound? Because I feel my resolve wavering if she has a ton of crazy well armed guards..

Not sure - I just assume she has one. I'll check into this.

And you should have a black Muslim guy accompany you...I think my Congressman, Keith Ellison, might want to go.

You're going to have to sell tickets...because i will PAY to see that.

/this thread has made my day brighter

Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud?

Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

So Bachmann is lying?

First it was President Obama trying to break all precedent and run the 2010 census from within the White House. While the administration finally backed down from that politicization of the census, it clearly hasn't learned its lesson. Now it is having ACORN officially "partner" with the Census to help count the number of Americans in the country. It's like Santa trusting a child to tell him how many times he or she has been good in the past year.
(Judicial Watch)

gustakooka: Zeppelininthesky: Davey Croquette: FTA: Bachmann has said she will answer only certain questions on the 2010 Census form because the Census Bureau has signed up Acorn, the liberal-leaning community group, to help publicize the census and recruit enumerators.

Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud? Oh...Bama.

Oh noes!!Teh liberal devil worshiping muslin terrorists in ACORN is brainwashing our brave Republican real Americans with scary socialist questions!!

Election fraud? Is that even a real term?

Ask Iran...

The Onanist: And you should have a black Muslim guy accompany you...I think my Congressman, Keith Ellison, might want to go.

I think I love you.

subby: No, they aren't upset she is crazy, they are upset she is saying something that hurts the GOP.

Flab: Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud?

Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

Well, neither, really. It was voter registration fraud, and mostly it was pinned on $8/hour hired help that was supposed to go door-to-door filling out voter registration forms decided to stay at home, drink beer, and fill out bogus forms.

It's not like you can walk into a polling place with no ID and a card that says that "Donald Duck" is registered to vote and actually get to cast a ballot.

Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

Agency Theory. Now go back to the grave you and your skepticism died in. You Obamapologists make me wretch in mock disgust as if I'd been forced to sniff a prisoner's jack rag.

Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House? Why would he let ACORN within ten miles of it? I don't need to stick my head up a cow's ass to know there's Filet Mignon in there.

Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election registration fraud?

Drivers' License Registration? No.

Car Registration? No.

Bridal Registration? No.

Voter Registration? YES.

You Obamapologists lack of skepticism is no better than the neo-freep giving GWB a free ride.

As you ponder what might be the "problem" with America realize it's you.

Well except for the fact that ACORN has NEVER been convicted of election fraud.

this has been shown time and time again in these threads.

elchip: rastjr: Haven't come across that dude yet.

I'm pretty sure he's made an ... involuntary departure from this site.

Yeah, I'm Liberal. It's still a free country?

Sure. But often you seem to act like a caricature of one.

A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

Davey Croquette: Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

Agency Theory. Now go back to the grave you and your skepticism died in. You Obamapologists make me wretch in mock disgust as if I'd been forced to sniff a prisoner's jack rag.

Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House? Why would he let ACORN within ten miles of it? I don't need to stick my head up a cow's ass to know there's Filet Mignon in there.

Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

Davey Croquette: So Bachmann is lying?

(Judicial Watch)

More than likely, yes.

Oh btw "Judicial Watch" has 7 goals.

Here are three of them:


* Hillary Watch - Get more information about the Hillary Clinton's political, financial and ethical lapses.

* Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America - Get more information about the efforts to integrate the US, Canada and Mexico.

* Gardasil - Get more information about the Judicial Watch's efforts to expose the adverse effects of the Human Papillomavirus vaccine.


So...I'm not going to pay attention to anything they have to say.

How are they going to keep from counting illegals?

There is only one box for "not a U.S. Citizen" but no further questions as to how and whether they are here legally.

Davey Croquette: Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House? Why would he let ACORN within ten miles of it? I don't need to stick my head up a cow's ass to know there's Filet Mignon in there.


Did you read the article:


In its official statement responding to the ACORN controversy, the Obama Commerce Department downplayed ACORN's participation in the Census, and labeled "baseless" the notion that ACORN would be involved in any Census count. However, the Census Bureau offered ACORN the opportunity to "recruit Census workers" who would participate in the count. Moreover, as an "executive level" partner, ACORN has the ability to "organize and/or serve as a member on a Complete Count Committee," which, according to Census documents, helps "develop and implement locally based outreach and recruitment campaigns."


ACORN will not count people.

You people are lying again.

bboy: It's not like you can walk into a polling place with no ID and a card that says that "Donald Duck" is registered to vote and actually get to cast a ballot.

And how many thousands of times would you have to do that to swing an election?

Davey Croquette: I don't need to stick my head up a cow's ass to know there's Filet Mignon in there.

It may be steak to you, but it's shiat to us.

Flab: Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud?

Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

A few of its "members" were found to have falsified registration. And by "members", I mean "college students and other 'geniuses' who got paid a couple of bucks per card filled in and decided to fill in cards for Mickey Mouse to make extra beer money".

Acorn did the legally required thing and filed ALL cards submitted, just in case some guy happened to actually be named Charlie Brown.

moralpanic: Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

He sounds perfectly sane. Do realize how invincibly ignorant and naive YOU sound?

rastjr:
A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

"seem to act like" is not name calling, it is an observation.

Well, neither, really. It was voter registration fraud

If that makes you feel better about it you need your farking head examined.

and mostly it was pinned on $8/hour hired help that was supposed to go door-to-door filling out voter registration forms decided to stay at home, drink beer, and fill out bogus forms.

No it wasn't. If you don't know what happened don't join the Obamapology Brigade. Read my link to Judicial Watch if you want examples of fraud committed by your favorite organization ACORN.

I can't believe someone would actually support ACORN being involved in training Census takers. Unbelievable. You're awful Americans.

Davey Croquette: They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

So Bachmann is lying?

First it was President Obama trying to break all precedent and run the 2010 census from within the White House. While the administration finally backed down from that politicization of the census, it clearly hasn't learned its lesson. Now it is having ACORN officially "partner" with the Census to help count the number of Americans in the country. It's like Santa trusting a child to tell him how many times he or she has been good in the past year.
(Judicial Watch)

Yes, she is lying:


In its official statement responding to the ACORN controversy, the Obama Commerce Department downplayed ACORN's participation in the Census, and labeled "baseless" the notion that ACORN would be involved in any Census count. However, the Census Bureau offered ACORN the opportunity to "recruit Census workers" who would participate in the count. Moreover, as an "executive level" partner, ACORN has the ability to "organize and/or serve as a member on a Complete Count Committee," which, according to Census documents, helps "develop and implement locally based outreach and recruitment campaigns."


Yes, maybe you should start trying to read the articles you link as proof.

Thought please don't fill out you census. It's all an evil ACORN plot.

Corvus: ACORN will not count people.

Right! They'll only count Democrats!

/i keed

Davey Croquette: Agency Theory.

I like the way you think. Naturally, under Agency Theory, you would agree that the Republican Party molests children, right?

~Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that he wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed in a panda costume.

~Republican news producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges of possessing child pornography.

~Republican activist and former presidential campaign chairman Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges of sexually molesting a 5-year old boy.

~Republican activist and former chairman of the Christian County Republicans Royce Fessenden pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree child molestation and one count of second-degree statutory sodomy.

moralpanic: Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

It's called a troll. Are you new around these parts?

what_now: I think I love you.

*blush*

Bachmann apparently lives in Stillwater, MN. Still digging.

Bored Horde: sepuku2: oldfarthenry: Now, we have minority governments that require elections every ten months but at least there's an attempt at tackling some legislation.

That every ten month thing would get tiresome.

It's more like every 2-3 years, and you guys have elections that are orgies of advertising every 2 years.

Yes and no. It really depends on how contested the election is - if it's pretty much out of reach (ex., Lautenberg vs. Zimmer - we all knew Lautenberg had it), then it's not really that heavily advertised. (I saw some Lautenberg ads last fall. SOME.)

On the other hand, something like Hagan vs. Dole (where it was neck-and-neck BEFORE Liddy called Kay godless) IS hell.

It's also the markets. You won't get sacked as much with election ads (on TV) in the NY or Philadelphia markets because it's so expensive to buy ad time here, and - for representatives - you're reaching ~10m people you don't need to. Out in the boondocks, where time is cheaper and less people live, you do get more ads.

The problem, of course, is that a lot of our elections are staggered. Add in gubernatorial elections (four months to go till Election Day, and Christie and Corzine are ALREADY going at it), and it seems like a perpetual election.

Davey Croquette: No it wasn't. If you don't know what happened don't join the Obamapology Brigade. Read my link to Judicial Watch if you want examples of fraud committed by your favorite organization ACORN.

Ummm your link has nothing about that whatsoever.

'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

bboy: It was voter registration fraud, and mostly it was pinned on $8/hour hired help that was supposed to go door-to-door filling out voter registration forms decided to stay at home, drink beer, and fill out bogus forms.

I know. I reused Davey's terminology without even thinking.

In my defense, I have a month-old baby at home messing up my sleeping schedule, so I'm not entirely firing on all cylinders.

Davey Croquette: Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House?

The Census is under the purview of the Department of Commerce, which is controlled by the White House.

Do you know which filthy socialist did this? Theodore Roosevelt.

Corvus: Thought please don't fill out you census. It's all an evil ACORN plot.

we really need to get more republicans/truthers/census-wackjob of all colors to boycott the census.
completely.

please, dont fill it out at all
it is an EVIL PLOT

/here is hoping that some districts will shrink now
/imagine the outrage when that happens??
/we didnt fill out the form!! they didnt count us correctly!!!

cchris_39: moralpanic: Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

He sounds perfectly sane. Do realize how invincibly ignorant and naive YOU sound?

You do realize that you're sticking up for a fairly obvious troll, right? But hey, whatever floats your boat.

vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

Well, see, she was voted out of office after it became apparent she was crazy.

Flab: Davey Croquette: Now why would the Census Bureau hire a company convicted of election fraud?

Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

NONE of its members have been convicted of election fraud. They were convicted of registration fraud. That's different. All they did was submit fake registration forms to make it look like they were working when they weren't. And these forms were kicked back, because all registrations are screened, AND, because Acorn, as an organization, flagged them as potentially fraudulent, but by law they had to turn them in anyway.

God, I can't believe people are so stupid about this. Is it so hard to wrap your head around? This isn't even a complex issue.

Flatulent_Flea: And how many thousands of times would you have to do that to swing an election?

Infinity thousand. Imaginary people don't vote.

what_now: Davey Croquette: Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House?

The Census is under the purview of the Department of Commerce, which is controlled by the White House.

Do you know which filthy socialist did this? Theodore Roosevelt.

Do you think he is a complete Freeper idiot or is he just trolling?

I mean I know there are people this crazy out there. It's really sad if this person believes this crap.

dodecahedron: God, I can't believe people are so stupid about this. Is it so hard to wrap your head around? This isn't even a complex issue.

worse. those goptards get to vote.
maybe we need some kind of test in order to vote

"do you know the difference between voter fraud, election fraud (tampering) and registration fraud?"

/could see their tiny brains exploding from orbit

Yes, maybe you should start trying to read the articles you link as proof.



Read the whole article, folks. The Obamapologists are trying very hard to dismiss this as nothing. Sickening, their lack of skepticism. Billy Mays made a living off these suckers.

Members of the Census Bureau and Department of Commerce staff assigned to organize the 2010 Census were unaware of when the decision to involve ACORN was made, how the Census Bureau choose and defined partners, or whether partners received payment.

In case anyone has a few bucks to spare, Elwyn Tinklenberg has indicated he's running against Bachmann again.

Davey Croquette: Read the whole article, folks.

From an organization that wants to stop vaccinating women against cervical cancer, and is truly afraid that Mexico, Canada and United States will join together to form Voltron??

No. No I *won't* read that article.

The Onanist: Bachmann apparently lives in Stillwater, MN. Still digging.

Um, That was easy (^).

Want more than two viable parties?

You gotta change the voting system. Winner-Take-All for every single elected office is no way to go through life, son.

Abstruse: moralpanic: Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

It's called a troll. Are you new around these parts?

Yeah, i guess i get hooked now and then.

Damn, her house IS freaking huge.

The Onanist: Um, That was easy (^).

She lives on a golf course? You wanna bet it's one of those courses that only recently started letting people like the President of the United States in....

Davey Croquette: Yes, maybe you should start trying to read the articles you link as proof.



Read the whole article, folks. The Obamapologists are trying very hard to dismiss this as nothing. Sickening, their lack of skepticism. Billy Mays made a living off these suckers.

Members of the Census Bureau and Department of Commerce staff assigned to organize the 2010 Census were unaware of when the decision to involve ACORN was made, how the Census Bureau choose and defined partners, or whether partners received payment.

Yeah, its cute your trolling, I know you think it's funny to "catch people" in your game.

You think you're real clever, that you say things other people actual believe and others believe you believe it. For some reason you think that somehow is a clever trick. But that's not what satire which is clever, actually is.


All your doing is convincing people who pop in these threads of bad ideas, they might actually start to believe. Just because you think you are being clever while you are just wasting your time and others.

fernt: I'm curious subby...

Why is it retarded not to want to let the government in on:

- the schedule of when you leave your house and when you return

- my ancestry

- my level of education

- if I have difficulty making decisions

- extensive personal income information

- how I get to work

- how much time off from work I took

- details about my house, how many rooms, bathrooms, etc.

- details of my utility bills

- details about my mortgage

...and so on.

Because it's your civic duty to do so and it's far less onerous than say, jury duty, let alone getting drafted to murder women and children in southeast asia. No one in the government cares about your specific personal information, you're not that interesting. You're a data point.

If you think this is serious a violation of your right then you have no clue on the current reality of the abuses perpetrated by our government on its citizens. Let alone any sense of history.

But all that's beside the point. Bachmann is officially full retard now because her own party members, who rarely disagree in public, are calling her out for her behavior. Unofficially of course Bachmann has always been fully retarded.

The Onanist: The Onanist: Bachmann apparently lives in Stillwater, MN. Still digging.

Um, That was easy (^).

Right off a golf course. How lovely for her.


Anybody here got a bad slice?

The Onanist: Damn, her house IS freaking huge.

It looks like someone took a McMansion and then stuck another one on it sideways.

what_now: Davey Croquette: Read the whole article, folks.

From an organization that wants to stop vaccinating women against cervical cancer, and is truly afraid that Mexico, Canada and United States will join together to form Voltron??

No. No I *won't* read that article.

It actually says nothing he says it says. It actually says ACORN is NOT counting people, they are only helping to recruit workers (like other organization).

It actually disproves the things he is saying.

ravenlore: Anybody here got a bad slice

Bachmann?

Cucullen: Because it's your civic duty to do so and it's far less onerous than say, jury duty, let alone getting drafted to murder women and children in southeast asia. No one in the government cares about your specific personal information, you're not that interesting. You're a data point.

Anyone else find it funny that the people biatching about the census right now are the same ones that said that full background checks before getting on a plane and video cameras everywhere was perfectly fine because you wouldn't worry if you had nothing to hide?

Davey Croquette: Has ACORN been convicted of election fraud, or has some of its members been convicted of election fraud? There's a difference.

Agency Theory. Now go back to the grave you and your skepticism died in. You Obamapologists make me wretch in mock disgust as if I'd been forced to sniff a prisoner's jack rag.

Why would Obama make the unprecedented move to put the Census under the White House? Why would he let ACORN within ten miles of it? I don't need to stick my head up a cow's ass to know there's Filet Mignon in there.

10/10 Excellent troll! Kudos!
Love the misspelled "wretch" and the "mock disgust" joke when most people would have real disgust. The Filet Mignon joke twist is excellent too (complimenting the White House by comparing it to steak while looking like you're insulting it by putting your own head up a cow's ass)...very funny and you're clearly hooking some people.

Cucullen: If you think this is serious a violation of your right then you have no clue on the current reality of the abuses perpetrated by our government on its citizens.

Well, you have a point there.

I notice that Obama hasn't done anything to dial back the onerous Patriot Act...just for one example.

What I object to is not only the intrusion of privacy, but the level of resigned acceptance to further federal governmental invasions of privacy by the Checked Out Generation. They're being ushered, like cattle to the slaughterhouse, towards the inevitable chip in their ass...and they don't seem to care.

Can't blame them too much though - the vast majority were brainwashed by public schooling which was set up to create the mindless obedient robots that they have become.

what_now: You wanna bet it's one of those courses that only recently started letting people like the President of the United States in....

Muslims?

;)

Abstruse: Cucullen: Because it's your civic duty to do so and it's far less onerous than say, jury duty, let alone getting drafted to murder women and children in southeast asia. No one in the government cares about your specific personal information, you're not that interesting. You're a data point.

Anyone else find it funny that the people biatching about the census right now are the same ones that said that full background checks before getting on a plane and video cameras everywhere was perfectly fine because you wouldn't worry if you had nothing to hide?

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abb3w: distric

QFT Indeed. Let's encourage Bachmann and her fundie district to boycott the census. Maybe we could start rumors that they are part of the New World Order and hand out plastic "Amero-Peso" coins to totally freak them out. We could even sell them real authentic tinfoil hats. Oh this is going to be beautiful.

fernt:



This.

what_now: You wanna bet it's one of those courses that only recently started letting people like the President of the United States in....

It appears that the course is open to the public. Anyone up for a gold outing? I have a HORRIBLE slice and a TON of extra golf balls.

Davey Croquette: Well, neither, really. It was voter registration fraud

If that makes you feel better about it you need your farking head examined.

and mostly it was pinned on $8/hour hired help that was supposed to go door-to-door filling out voter registration forms decided to stay at home, drink beer, and fill out bogus forms.

No it wasn't. If you don't know what happened don't join the Obamapology Brigade. Read my link to Judicial Watch if you want examples of fraud committed by your favorite organization ACORN.

I can't believe someone would actually support ACORN being involved in training Census takers. Unbelievable. You're awful Americans.

Hey dumbass. Name one person that was involved in ACORN that was not a paid lackey that was CONVICTED of fraud..

fernt: Can't blame them too much though - the vast majority were brainwashed by public schooling which was set up to create the mindless obedient robots that they have become.

If you question your government, you're un-American and emboldening our enemies!

/Annoying, ain't it?

The Onanist: It appears that the course is open to the public. Anyone up for a gold golf outing? I have a HORRIBLE slice and a TON of extra golf balls.

FTFM

Questions for the Census were submitted to Congress for consideration by March 2007 - when Republicans were in greater numbers in the House and Senate and controlled the White House.

Scary, scary is right.

I agree with Mr. Coffee Nerves - it's a bit unnerving to think that there is a segment of the Minnesota community that Michelle Bachman represents WITH THEIR CONSENT!

The Onanist: what_now: You wanna bet it's one of those courses that only recently started letting people like the President of the United States in....

It appears that the course is open to the public. Anyone up for a gold outing? I have a HORRIBLE slice and a TON of extra golf balls.

We can draw acorn logos on them. It would be funny to watch her screaming "Acorn is trying to get me"

The Onanist: what_now: She has a compound?? Is it a scary crazy compound or a Kennedy like compound? Because I feel my resolve wavering if she has a ton of crazy well armed guards..

Not sure - I just assume she has one. I'll check into this.

And you should have a black Muslim guy accompany you...I think my Congressman, Keith Ellison, might want to go.

Or even better, have Obama accompany you.

I'm just not that worried about what questions appear on the Census.

If there isn't something I'm comfortable answering I will simply not answer it or lie. Hell, this is the United States of America, you don't even have to fill the damn Census paper out(not sure why you wouldn't though)!

Also, I don't know who is more crazy: Representative Bachmann or her constituents?

what_now [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 11:34:45 AM
vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

"Well, see, she was voted out of office after it became apparent she was crazy."

Oh man, with the way Republicans keep talking about her I thought she was still an active member of the Democratic party.

Abstruse: If you question your government, you're un-American and emboldening our enemies!

RockyMtnMan: If there isn't something I'm comfortable answering I will simply not answer it or lie. Hell, this is the United States of America, you don't even have to fill the damn Census paper out(not sure why you wouldn't though)!

1. Yes, you do have to fill it out.
2. You can also be fined $5000 for failing to fill it out, or lying.

bboy
Let me see if I've got this right... Republicans hate Acorn because they help the poor and disenfranchised participate in the American political system?

Correct. The GOP consistently opposes efforts to increase overall voter turnout because the biggest opportunities for increased turnout are amongst people unlikely to vote for Republicans (e.g. the poor, young people).

Sum Dum Gai: 2. You can also be fined $5000 for failing to fill it out, or lying.

Isn't it a $1000 fine for not filling it out? (You are correct about the lying.)

vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

I have definitely forgotten all those times she went to national TV, helped by a sympathetic anchor/outlet, to peddle all her crazyness.

Sum Dum Gai: RockyMtnMan: If there isn't something I'm comfortable answering I will simply not answer it or lie. Hell, this is the United States of America, you don't even have to fill the damn Census paper out(not sure why you wouldn't though)!

1. Yes, you do have to fill it out.
2. You can also be fined $5000 for failing to fill it out, or lying.


but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Hey dumbass. Name one person that was involved in ACORN that was not a paid lackey that was CONVICTED of fraud..

Okay, so Election fraud is excusable so long as it's performed by "paid lackeys".

It didn't work at Nuremburg. It doesn't work in the God-Loving USA I weep for every time I see healthy skepticism take a back seat to sucker-fanaticism.

Jairzinho: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

I have definitely forgotten all those times she went to national TV, helped by a sympathetic anchor/outlet, to peddle all her crazyness.

shes on a night boat to cairo.

SherKhan: This.

distrust of government ≠ rampant paranoia

fernt: Isn't it a $1000 fine for not filling it out? (You are correct about the lying.)

Someone above posted a thing that said the range of fines was $100-$5000. I guess they use a sliding scale where $100 is for scrawling "Romani Eant Domum" on the sheet, while $5000 is for crucifying the local procurator.

Davey Croquette: Hey dumbass. Name one person that was involved in ACORN that was not a paid lackey that was CONVICTED of fraud..

Okay, so Election fraud is excusable so long as it's performed by "paid lackeys".

It didn't work at Nuremburg. It doesn't work in the God-Loving USA I weep for every time I see healthy skepticism take a back seat to sucker-fanaticism.

Name one that was convicted for ELECTION fraud. As in, it NEVER happened.

Davey Croquette: Hey dumbass. Name one person that was involved in ACORN that was not a paid lackey that was CONVICTED of fraud..

Okay, so Election fraud is excusable so long as it's performed by "paid lackeys".

It didn't work at Nuremburg. It doesn't work in the God-Loving USA I weep for every time I see healthy skepticism take a back seat to sucker-fanaticism.


what election fraud?
voter registration fraud. get it straight.
how many permanent workers of acorn have been convicted of voter registration fraud? does anyone have the number of permanent workers?

ZAZ: I will only answer certain questions. It's a common protest.

actually
(and I hate to use you as the perfect example)
actually, this would be GREAT
if you "census should just count the people nuts" actually got your way, this would solve one of the largest problems in the country.

TADA
we would no longer have any illegal aliens
nope
they would all be gone

they would become a simple count of the people living in various areas
we would not know what race they are
we would not know their legal status

TADA
/I should run for congress, this could get passed !!!

fernt: What I object to is not only the intrusion of privacy, but the level of resigned acceptance to further federal governmental invasions of privacy by the Checked Out Generation. They're being ushered, like cattle to the slaughterhouse, towards the inevitable chip in their ass...and they don't seem to care.

Can't say I disagree with being upset by the trend, but the worst of its been going on for years. Since 1937 at least. Really during the Nixon and Reagan years did it start getting particularly bad, the government waging a war against its own citizens. Effectively repealing the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments. As bad as the Patriot Act is, it can't hold a what we've already come to accept over the past 40 years.

tnpir: It's stunning it took the GOP this long to figure it out, but better late than never, eh?

I just wonder why Bachmann hates George Bush? I mean, he gave millions to ACORN...

but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.

voter registration fraud. get it straight.

Not rape...unintended intercourse....

Davey Croquette: Okay, so Election registration fraud is excusable so long as it's performed by "paid lackeys".

For the umpteenth time.

Zagloba: Someone above posted a thing that said the range of fines was $100-$5000. I guess they use a sliding scale where $100 is for scrawling "Romani Eant Domum" on the sheet, while $5000 is for crucifying the local procurator.

you are my fark hero of the day
/it comes with a small halo
/and a gourd
/and a sandal

Davey Croquette: but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.



so you are afraid of what might happen?

alright troll. going on my ignore list for being blatantly dishonest.

Davey Croquette: Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse.

As stated before:

what_now: The Census is under the purview of the Department of Commerce, which is controlled by the White House.

Do you know which filthy socialist did this? Theodore Roosevelt.

Davey Croquette: voter registration fraud. get it straight.

Not rape...unintended intercourse....

Please cite an example of a fraudulent vote being cast in this past election.

Until then, you are about ohhhhh 8 months late with this talking point about omgACORN! Srsly Dave, you do better trawling work than this. This is libbynomore level of work. All you need is to get rid of full stops and replace them with some ellipses and voila! libbynomore.

Oh, wait. lol.

I think the GOP is seriously considering dropping Bachmann, her political style is better suited to the early 2000s.


You know, the Founding Fathers did have a fundamental distrust of government, but they also saw enough of a need for government that they established the basic foundations for government as we know it.

The FFs had an idea of what they did not want government to be, and that was one that was small enough to be dominated by one group, or a government that only acted in the interests of a few.

Because of the tendency for governments to be dominated by powerful minorities who then abuse the power, the FFs separated the government to provide checks and balances, as well as providing underlying rules which protected all people, and even provided certain rights to citizens.

Not only that, but the FFs included the need for a census, and specifically gave the government that power.

It's not entirely accurate just to say that the FFs had a distrust of government, they had a distrust of those who would try to dominate government for self interest.

Considering Michelle Bachmann, you have to ask whether she is someone the FFs would have taken seriously, or is Bachmann someone who the FFs would have used as an example of the kind of people they were worried about being apart of any government they established.

rastjr: A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

The rastjr doth protest too much, methinks.

equilibrium:

distrust of government ≠ rampant paranoia

No, but it's a good place to start. A journey of a thousand terrors begins with a single fear. Or something.

I like to think my skepticism is measured and reasonable but I also like mayonnaise sandwiches.

Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets. Don't bother with him.

Minnesota--the state where the ex-wrestler and the wimpy TV comedian are on the upper end of the sanity scale compared to their other politicians.

Davey Croquette: but it isnt ever enforced...relax francis.

Maybe it isn't enforced now but who knows...Obama definitely has an opinion about past censuses or he wouldn't have moved it under the Whitehouse. My guess is he thinks minorities are under counted. Which he may be right. Most census takers work from 9AM to 5PM when most minorities are sleeping and can't be bothered to answer no forms.

Dude. Teddy Roosevelt is the one who put it under the Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

For the umpteenth time.

If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Here's a Newsflash: Obama lied to you. Obama used you. Obama thinks you're a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon. That and a penchant for thick booty.

Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

It's not in Commerce. It's in the Office of the Whitehouse. Hence the "unprecedented" moniker applied in every article you read on the subject.

Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud

I would love to see you talk your way out of this sentence. Please show me the connection.

mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Do you have any idea how many fraudulent registrations would have to make it past the state/county SecState office before you would have a prayer of committing election fraud?

Are you innumerate? Do big numbers scare you?

SherKhan: fernt:



This.

Mistrust. Not tin-foil-pants-on-head paranoia.

elchip: rastjr: A caricture. Interesting. So when we disagree you name call. Nice.

The rastjr doth protest too much, methinks.

Shakespeare. Doesn't make you an intellectual.

If you support Barack Obama you'd probably better not celebrate the Fourth of July as the Gods of Karma will certainly smite you in your un-patriotic tuckus.

The Onanist: Bets?

He wagered a year of TF for nine or ten people that either McCain would end up president or that Obama wouldn't (I can't remember which) back in April or May, when the (R) primary was wrapped up but the (D) primary was still going strong.

Zeppelininthesky: Dude. Teddy Roosevelt is the one who put it under the Department of Commerce. They are controlled by the Whitehouse.

this is quite interesting
cause they keep saying that it was FDR
they being the goptards
of course, everyone knows that teddy was a RINO

The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Katherine Harris has bigger tits

.

Yeah, but Bachmann is better looking.

Craziness in the bedroom? -- probably a dead heat.

I'll fill out the Census form. All but the 'Race' section. I'm going to check 'Other' and fill in 'Meat Popsicle'.

Davey Croquette: If you support Barack Obama you'd probably better not celebrate the Fourth of July as the Gods of Karma will certainly smite you in your un-patriotic tuckus.

mkay, time to just ignore you
I have no trouble with debate, with opposition
but, man, trolls just suck the life out of fark

crap!
but so far I have only put "show us the birth certifcate" trolls on my ignore list
crap!
well you can get to be the first

/buhbye

better not show up at my door.

Davey Croquette: It's not in Commerce. It's in the Office of the Whitehouse. Hence the "unprecedented" moniker applied in every article you read on the subject.

LOL WUT (^)

/looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

Do you have any idea how many fraudulent registrations would have to make it past the state/county SecState office before you would have a prayer of committing election fraud?

Let the Secretary sort it out. Beautiful. When states allow registration the day of the primary election.

Do you people actually think this stuff through or just repeat each other?

rastjr: Shakespeare.



Benefits of a classical education.

Davey Croquette: For the umpteenth time.

If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud you don't understand presidential elections or you're a purposeful Obamapologist anxious to prove to yourself you didn't elect a piece of crap.

Here's a Newsflash: Obama lied to you. Obama used you. Obama thinks you're a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon. That and a penchant for thick booty.

If you don't understand the difference between ELECTION fraud and REGISTRATION fraud you are a liar and are being dishonest.

Davey Croquette lies to us. Davey Croquette used us. Davey Croquette thinks you are a sucker. At least that's one thing we agree upon.

rastjr: Shakespeare. Doesn't make you an intellectual.

Nope. Knowing a little Shakespeare is basic.

namatad: of course, everyone knows that teddy was a RINO

Doesn't a RINO have to actually call him/herself a Republican, not a Bull Moose?

looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

You people MUST be purposely obtuse. No one could be so accidentally uninformed.

ravenlore: The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. What a douche.

gustakooka: Davey Croquette: If you can't see the connection between Voter registration fraid and election fraud

I would love to see you talk your way out of this sentence. Please show me the connection.

I heard that like ten dead "Mr Mickey Mouse"s voted for Obama last November. That's how Obama got FL.

Zagloba: Want more than two viable parties?

You gotta change the voting system. Winner-Take-All for every single elected office is no way to go through life, son.

If you go to a multiparty system you would also need to change the way budgets are done - stalemates are normal in a multiparty legislature, so you can't have government grinding to a halt every time the budget doesn't pass. You need to have it so that everything stays funded at its previous level, and budgets only modify the existing status quo once they are passed.

Davey Croquette: They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

So Bachmann is lying?

First it was President Obama trying to break all precedent and run the 2010 census from within the White House. While the administration finally backed down from that politicization of the census, it clearly hasn't learned its lesson. Now it is having ACORN officially "partner" with the Census to help count the number of Americans in the country. It's like Santa trusting a child to tell him how many times he or she has been good in the past year.
(Judicial Watch)

First of all: yes, yes she is. She does it a lot. It's kind of a thing with her.

Second of all: Yes, we all know ACORN is helping with the census. There are two things you are unaware of:
1) ACORN is not performing the Census. They are merely informing their employees that the Census is looking for people to ask questions. They're advertising, in other words. I guess if you believe that ACORN is a cutthroat gang of convicted felons you would object to this, because that's who would be advertised to, but if you believe that I have to ask what color the sky is in your world.

2) ACORN was never convicted of election fraud. Several employees were charged with voter registration fraud, which is different, since the false voters never actually influenced the outcome of the election (since "Mickey Mouse" never showed up to vote) and ACORN was the one who brought these people to the attention of law enforcement.

In other news, Bachmann still went full retard - no matter how hard the butthurts try and change the subject.

Davey Croquette lies to us. Davey Croquette used us. Davey Croquette thinks you are a sucker.

True.

Some people don't even understand why the census is conducted, that's why they are so easily misled.

Acorn is a favorite target of Glenn Beck, he attacks them daily. It all leads back to the low information voter demographic that Fox News targets. If the viewers were even a smidge more informed, or a couple of IQ points smarter, they'd realize that there is no merit to this.

Fox News being a news station, on a cable channel, with lots of viewers creates a perception of validity that doesn't really exist.

With some people, you have to start with an explanation of what the Census data is used for. (new window)

I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted, other than for voter fraud apparently. Cause, you know, there aren't any other ways of finding out where the voters are.

ACORN was the one who brought these people to the attention of law enforcement.

Damage control. Kinda like when you think your wife might know you've been screwing around so you 'fess up to the lesser crime of second-base.

Davey Croquette: looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

You people MUST be purposely obtuse. No one could be so accidentally uninformed.

O Really??

Link (new window)

Zagloba: Doesn't a RINO have to actually call him/herself a Republican, not a Bull Moose?

except that he was a republican while he was president
when they called him a RINO, he left the party
he was trying to move the gop toward the progressives ...
so, he was a RINO .... poor guy, maybe the first

All Apologies: Because of the tendency for governments to be dominated by powerful minorities who then abuse the power

vol1805: better not show up at my door.

Who had better not?

If you don't fill out the census form, someone WILL show up at your door. If you don't answer your door, they will ask your neighbors about your information or camp outside your house for a spell.

Like I said before, I worked for the Census Bureau for a spell.

I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted

Your anger towards me is making my sandwich taste better. Like spicy mustard. I don't blame you for being mad- You thought Obama was gonna be something different and he's not. Now you have to bend yourself into philosophical pretzels to support him and protect your fragile, Gen-x ego.

Now you know what it's like to be a Bush supporter!

elchip: rastjr: Shakespeare.



Benefits of a classical education.

The benefits of classical education is to know one line of Shakespeare. You got robbed.

Davey Croquette: I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted

Your anger towards me is making my sandwich taste better. Like spicy mustard. I don't blame you for being mad- You thought Obama was gonna be something different and he's not. Now you have to bend yourself into philosophical pretzels to support him and protect your fragile, Gen-x ego.

Now you know what it's like to be a Bush supporter!

Keep eating that stupid sandwich...

Jairzinho: I heard that like ten dead "Mr Mickey Mouse"s voted for Obama last November. That's how Obama got FL.

wasnt the one case of voter fraud, a person with an actual strange name. which was then thrown out?
I think it was AZ, cant remember the name.
but was one of those "this can't be real. oops. I was wrong, kind of names"

anyone?
beuller??

xria: If you go to a multiparty system you would also need to change the way budgets are done - stalemates are normal in a multiparty legislature, so you can't have government grinding to a halt every time the budget doesn't pass. You need to have it so that everything stays funded at its previous level, and budgets only modify the existing status quo once they are passed.

True but irrelevant to my point. Once you have an electoral system which allows more than two parties to get into office in substantial blocs, then you have to come up with political solutions to the political problems that arise.

In order to get that kind of spread into office, however, you have to have some kind of proportional/party-not-individual/several-past-the-post election system. It's just not rational (in the economic sense) for large numbers of people to vote for someone not from one of the two major parties in most elections, if one of those two people is going to win. And that is exactly what has to happen under a first-past-the-post voting system.

/Differential equations. It's what's for dinner.

Zagloba: rastjr: Shakespeare. Doesn't make you an intellectual.

Nope. Knowing a little Shakespeare is basic.

namatad: of course, everyone knows that teddy was a RINO

Doesn't a RINO have to actually call him/herself a Republican, not a Bull Moose?

Yes it's basic. You made my point. Elchip was trying to be an elitist. He's not even good at that.

rastjr: The benefits of classical education is to know one line of Shakespeare. You got robbed.

It was a random movie quote, dude.

\if you're genuinely not a troll, i'm sorry for calling you a troll/caricature

gustakooka: elchip: rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.

No, he's a troll alt. I believe his main account outted this alt in the Fireman Test thread a couple of days ago. It didn't help that he also admitted in the alt thread that he just makes up alts to troll.

bboy: Let me see if I've got this right... Republicans hate Acorn because they help the poor and disenfranchised participate in the American political system?

No, they're just a convenient bogeyman for them at the moment. Previously, Republicans supported their efforts. Like John McCain, who was their keynote speaker at a 2006 rally:



When the GOP saw that their popularity was waning, that's when they started to attack ACORN, saying the Dems were trying to fix the vote. What they conveniently forget is that the only person convicted of voter fraud during the 2008 election was a Republican (new window).

The Onanist: ravenlore: The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. What a douche.

IIRC, it's even better than that. He started with a month of TF if Obama won the primary, and a month for him if Hillary won. Then after Obama won the primary it was a year if Obama won the general election, and nothing owed if McCain won.

It's more than Bachmann going the full retard route. Much of the right wing butthurt crowd have joined her.

It seems the new GOP slogan is: ALWAYS go full retard.

O Really??

It's almost as if I've stepped into a place and time where the only knowledge that exists is that which is on Google Search page one.

I call it: The FARKLIGHT Zone where inexperienced Gen-Xers' regurgitate irrelevant Google links to support theories they'd never heard of ten seconds beforehand.

This is why real people hate your Twittering, Facebooking, tattooed lazy asses. You think the internet made you smart when it really just uncovers your lack of real world knowledge.

elchip: rastjr: The benefits of classical education is to know one line of Shakespeare. You got robbed.

It was a random movie quote, dude.

\if you're genuinely not a troll, i'm sorry for calling you a troll/caricature

Cool man. Let's just all be buds.

Sygerrik: Davey Croquette: They wouldn't, and they didn't. Next question?

So Bachmann is lying?

First it was President Obama trying to break all precedent and run the 2010 census from within the White House. While the administration finally backed down from that politicization of the census, it clearly hasn't learned its lesson. Now it is having ACORN officially "partner" with the Census to help count the number of Americans in the country. It's like Santa trusting a child to tell him how many times he or she has been good in the past year.
(Judicial Watch)

First of all: yes, yes she is. She does it a lot. It's kind of a thing with her.

Second of all: Yes, we all know ACORN is helping with the census. There are two things you are unaware of:
1) ACORN is not performing the Census. They are merely informing their employees that the Census is looking for people to ask questions. They're advertising, in other words. I guess if you believe that ACORN is a cutthroat gang of convicted felons you would object to this, because that's who would be advertised to, but if you believe that I have to ask what color the sky is in your world.

2) ACORN was never convicted of election fraud. Several employees were charged with voter registration fraud, which is different, since the false voters never actually influenced the outcome of the election (since "Mickey Mouse" never showed up to vote) and ACORN was the one who brought these people to the attention of law enforcement.

Oh, and don't forget that ACORN is one of 4,000 organizations helping out the Census Bureau in the same way.

vol1805: better not show up at my door.


...or what?

Keep eating that stupid sandwich...

It's called a Brogan Burger. Named after vGov. Frank Brogan. It has BBQ sauce, bacon, lettuce and cheese. The bun is soggy from rendered cow fat. It is quite delicious. If you're ever in Tallahassee I'll buy you one.

Davey Croquette: This is why real people hate your Twittering, Facebooking, tattooed lazy asses. You think the internet made you smart when it really just uncovers your lack of real world knowledge.

Says the guy solely relying on an article from judicialwatch.org.

And I twitter. And I Facebook. And I have tattoos. And I served my country 6 years and currently work on the systems that keep you safe at night. But that's cool, label away.

brigid_fitch: What they conveniently forget is that the only person convicted of voter fraud during the 2008 election was a Republican (new window).

wow
nice link
and you are correct
this did not happen
he was not hired by the GOP
he actually was working for acorn and was hired by obama directly

/continue the revisions without me, I need a sammich

Dusk-You-n-Me: Davey Croquette: This is why real people hate your Twittering, Facebooking, tattooed lazy asses. You think the internet made you smart when it really just uncovers your lack of real world knowledge.

Says the guy solely relying on an article from judicialwatch.org.

And I twitter. And I Facebook. And I have tattoos. And I served my country 6 years and currently work on the systems that keep you safe at night. But that's cool, label away.

Commie.

;)

fernt: All Apologies: Because of the tendency for governments to be dominated by powerful minorities who then abuse the power

That's a good example, they'd have an even easier time if the government were smaller and had less checks and balances.

The most important part, which people most often ignore, is the fact that the FFs placed the responsibility of choosing, keeping, and/or replacing representatives in the hands of voters. Voters who don't even take the time to vote half the time.

mofomisfit: The Onanist: ravenlore: The Onanist: mofomisfit: Look, he's danlpoon with a new name because he's too much of a pussy to make good on his bets.

Bets?

danlpoon bet half of Fark that McCain would win the election. He was going to have to sponsor a shiatload of people- so oddly enough he hasn't been seen since the election.

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. What a douche.

IIRC, it's even better than that. He started with a month of TF if Obama won the primary, and a month for him if Hillary won. Then after Obama won the primary it was a year if Obama won the general election, and nothing owed if McCain won.

Well, there's no point in even bringing it up. He will never own up to his side of the deal. Everyone here knows that Danny and his alt McCainDemocrat just post BS. He was a troll, and hopefully no one really believed that he was going to actually pay off his bet.

In fact, there's really nothing stopping him from posting under his danploon account again. Everyone knows that he's a liar, so what worse could people say to him? Nothing would happen to him. In fact, Drew would sooner ban the users who keep asking him to pay up his side of the deal if he posted instead of danny himself, claiming that they are trolling him (not like that little traffic magnet would ever get banned).

Dusk-You-n-Me: And I twitter. And I Facebook. And I have tattoos. And I served my country 6 years and currently work on the systems that keep you safe at night. But that's cool, label away.

Sorry, but that sounds too much like, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it"



/hot like Demi in a uniform

Zeppelininthesky: Davey Croquette: looks very "U.S. Department of Commerce" to me.

You people MUST be purposely obtuse. No one could be so accidentally uninformed.

O Really??

Link (new window)


you mean its all a bunch of whargarbl.

the sad thing is if bush was doing anything people on the left would be screaming to.

intellectual dishonesty in this country is ridiculous. both parties want the ends to justify the means.

but it never does.

WHY IN THE F*CK DO SO MANY OF YOU PEOPLE TAKE THE BAIT AND ENGAGE WITH TROLLS??

There is only one acceptable, time-honored Fark response to obvious, blatant trolls, and it goes a little something like this:

Shut up, Davey Croquette, you cock.

That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. No engagement, no giving trolls what they want. Learn it, use it, people.

Alright. well I gotta go. Half day and all that. Plus I got this new girlfriend. She's nice and I like her but ever since we kinda went exclusive she's become real needy, you know? Pick me up here, take me there, buy me this. You get the picture. I can feel the momentum picking up already- She's got wedding bells ringing in her head. Which I don't really need right now. Hell, I've got enough ex-wives to start a basketball team. The problem I have is probably the same problem a lot of you guys have: She's really good in bed. She's nasty. Internet-nasty not just Seventies-hairy nasty. Which I kinda wonder how she got that way but not really. I know she's been around. I'm just glad she's into it. My second wife had a few hangups especially south of the taintal region if you know what I'm saying. She really wants kids. Three of 'em. Which would take my total to 8+. That's a lot of kids to put through beauty college. I may have a talk with her about it tonight but maybe not because she's a little sketchy. I can see her just walking out which would suck because I'm super horny.

Davey Croquette: O Really??

It's almost as if I've stepped into a place and time where the only knowledge that exists is that which is on Google Search page one.

I call it: The FARKLIGHT Zone where inexperienced Gen-Xers' regurgitate irrelevant Google links to support theories they'd never heard of ten seconds beforehand.

This is why real people hate your Twittering, Facebooking, tattooed lazy asses. You think the internet made you smart when it really just uncovers your lack of real world knowledge.

So you read the page? It tells me that you are an ignorant moron and a liar. We have facts and logic on our side. You have lies and stupidity on yours.

Cyberluddite: WHY IN THE F*CK DO SO MANY OF YOU PEOPLE TAKE THE BAIT AND ENGAGE WITH TROLLS??

There is only one acceptable, time-honored Fark response to obvious, blatant trolls, and it goes a little something like this:

Shut up, Davey Croquette, you cock.

That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. No engagement, no giving trolls what they want. Learn it, use it, people.

That response is inappropriate and lame when used with anyone but barjockey.

/there, I said it

Shut up, Davey Croquette, you cock.

Awww. That was so nice of you. I'm a little misty. Thanks, man.

Davey Croquette: Keep eating that stupid sandwich...

It's called a Brogan Burger. Named after vGov. Frank Brogan. It has BBQ sauce, bacon, lettuce and cheese. The bun is soggy from rendered cow fat. It is quite delicious. If you're ever in Tallahassee I'll buy you one.

That's the most delicious thing you've ever said.

Davey Croquette: I'm willing to guess that Davey has no idea why a census is conducted

Your anger towards me is making my sandwich taste better. Like spicy mustard. I don't blame you for being mad- You thought Obama was gonna be something different and he's not. Now you have to bend yourself into philosophical pretzels to support him and protect your fragile, Gen-x ego.

You:


"It's only a flesh wound."

what_now: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

Well, see, she was voted railroaded out of office after it became apparent she was crazy she had the temerity to question the results of the 9/11 commission.

FTFY

All Apologies: Voters who don't even take the time to vote half the time.

Young people have let themselves be convinced that "it doesn't count" and/or "it doesn't matter." Again, they've been effectively brainwashed, and it's dangerous for the future of the country.

Add to that black box voting, that is so easy to tweak, and you end up with "miraculously" close elections from a seemingly evenly divided voting public.

The country is pretty much lost, and there's probably no getting it back, but I vote - therefore I biatch.

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Katherine Harris has bigger tits

.



Oh yeah




/hot.. like her saddle

Well, there's no point in even bringing it up. He will never own up to his side of the deal.

Wait a minute- Why would you expect a stranger to keep a bet with you? Are you farking stupid? I'm no bookie but is this not why you collect the wagers before a bet?

Is it OK to be so off-topic? I was told off-topic=ban. Not that I care but you folks wouldn't have anything to do if I got the boot.

That's the most delicious thing you've ever said.

I'll buy anyone who comes to Tallahasse a beer and a burger, Why? Because I don't take this shiat personally.

I gotta go get my GF. BRB, maybe.

Tor_Eckman: what_now: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

Well, see, she was voted railroaded out of office after it became apparent she was crazy she had the temerity to question the results of the 9/11 commission.

FTFY


Another great example of the Great Dumbed Down Generation(s).

The fact that a lot of people not only BUY...but will angrily DEFEND the government's "official" story of 9/11 proves that critical thought has been obliterated; and that the Big Lies work even better these days than in the past.

We've learned nothing, and continue to sleepwalk into tyranny.

Oh look! There's Michael Jackson's funeral!

Oh look! There's a new American Idol!

etc.

I'm sad for what my country could have been, and what it has turned into. I wonder if there's a place on the census form to write that in?

Davey Croquette: Is it OK to be so off-topic? I was told off-topic=ban.



Flagrant threadjacking can get you banninated, a little off topic probably will be alright. Especially if it is funny.

fernt: I wonder if there's a place on the census form to write that in?

Yes actually, there is. Under the "current mental health" block enter "batshiat crazy".

Davey Croquette: I'll buy anyone who comes to Tallahasse a beer and a burger, Why? Because I don't take this shiat personally.

I gotta go get my GF. BRB, maybe.

I'll drink to that. Also if anyone is ever near Raleigh, NC around lunchtime on a workday, I'll meet them for wings at Armadillo Grill.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Yes actually, there is. Under the "current mental health" block enter "batshiat crazy".

We have your chip ready for injection, citizen. Right this way. It's done for your "convenience."

fernt: All Apologies: Voters who don't even take the time to vote half the time.

Young people have let themselves be convinced that "it doesn't count" and/or "it doesn't matter." Again, they've been effectively brainwashed, and it's dangerous for the future of the country.

Add to that black box voting, that is so easy to tweak, and you end up with "miraculously" close elections from a seemingly evenly divided voting public.

The country is pretty much lost, and there's probably no getting it back, but I vote - therefore I biatch.

Yeah. We've got some real close elections in the United States, what with our 90% incumbency success rate. I'm a young person, I vote, and so does my entire group of friends. And our votes matter just as much as yours. :)

fernt: We have your chip ready for injection, citizen. Right this way. It's done for your "convenience."

The great thing about America is you're welcome to leave it. Before the government created robots eat all your medicine.

Phil Herup: Oh yeah

cockingasnook.files.wordpress.com


Phil, WTF is going on in that picture? Is she at a Rodeo? why are her reins so long? Why does that horse have her name draped over him like he's bunting?

The Onanist: Also - I was a crew leader for the 1990 census so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/Seriously, no one "skewed" any freaking results.

Sure, like you'd tell us if you did.

Joliet_Jake: I vote, and so does my entire group of friends.

Good for you. I applaud you and your friends. Please don't smoke.

Dusk-You-n-Me: The great thing about America is you're welcome to leave it.

And thanks to the traitors in Washington, obviously anybody who wants in can jump the border and enjoy the fruits of the system we, our fathers and grandfathers built. Party!

what_now: Phil Herup: Oh yeah

cockingasnook.files.wordpress.com


Phil, WTF is going on in that picture? Is she at a Rodeo? why are her reins so long? Why does that horse have her name draped over him like he's bunting?



I have no idea. I just googled Katherine Harris breasts and that came up. It was probably some publicity thing she went to.

I forgot she had a great rack.


We need to have a milk fight between Harris and Pelosi me thinks.

fernt: I'm curious subby...

Why is it retarded not to want to let the government in on:

snip

I don't remember most of the questions you listed being on the census last time.
And besides, that's not what Bachmann's beef is. It's that ACORN has been hired to help out, and that makes it some sort of liberal conspiracy. The Bush administration asking the same questions would have made it a patriotic duty.

The crazy eyes. She's got them.

Again?

Especially if it is funny

What did the cannibal say after eating a clown?

This tastes a little funny...

Davey Croquette: Alright. well I gotta go. Half day and all that. Plus I got this new girlfriend. She's nice and I like her but ever since we kinda went exclusive she's become real needy, you know? Pick me up here, take me there, buy me this. You get the picture. I can feel the momentum picking up already- She's got wedding bells ringing in her head. Which I don't really need right now. Hell, I've got enough ex-wives to start a basketball team. The problem I have is probably the same problem a lot of you guys have: She's really good in bed. She's nasty. Internet-nasty not just Seventies-hairy nasty. Which I kinda wonder how she got that way but not really. I know she's been around. I'm just glad she's into it. My second wife had a few hangups especially south of the taintal region if you know what I'm saying. She really wants kids. Three of 'em. Which would take my total to 8+. That's a lot of kids to put through beauty college. I may have a talk with her about it tonight but maybe not because she's a little sketchy. I can see her just walking out which would suck because I'm super horny.

what the fark is this shiat

I'm with Bachmann, but not because of ACORN. I got the long form last time and they wanted to know crap like how many toilets my house has and the distance of my commute. Screw that. I boycotted the silly thing in a way that didn't have the census dweebs trying to wring the information about me from my neighbors (who in any case don't know how many toilets I have either). Just because some pokenoses want to know doesn't mean you have to tell them.

wait...what? you have a problem with that?

michelle bachmann: wait...what? you have a problem with that?

Oh hells yeah.

namatad: LANGUAGE SPOKEN AT HOME asked 1890-1940, since 1960
other questions we really want you not to answer
cause clearly, if you skip this, you probably dont speak the engrish

Your own writing barely qualifies as English. WTF.

Sygerrik: what the fark is this shiat

A loser whose arguments have been repeatedly shredded trying to humanize himself and ingratiate himself to the masses of people laughing at him and tossing overripe tomatoes at his head?

/just a guess.

jjorsett: I got the long form last time and they wanted to know crap like how many toilets my house has and the distance of my commute. Screw that. I boycotted the silly thing

It's your fault we're all now stuck with "low-flow" toilets and rush hour traffic jams every day.

Thanks a lot, asshole, for shirking your civic duty.

jjorsett: I got the long form last time and they wanted to know crap like how many toilets my house has and the distance of my commute. Screw that. I boycotted the silly thing in a way that didn't have the census dweebs trying to wring the information about me from my neighbors (who in any case don't know how many toilets I have either). Just because some pokenoses want to know doesn't mean you have to tell them.

Yet and when your street has sewage backing up due to a lack of capacity in the sewage system you'll poke your little gay NIMBY head out from under a rock and demand that the gubbermint fix it.

And then you'll biatch about your taxes.

Am I right?

what_now: Ok. This is four pictures of Katherine Harris on what looks to be at least three different horses (can't tell about the last two).

In not one of them is she holding the reins correctly.



The crazy biatch likes to ride on top. No questions about that.

Phil Herup: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Katherine Harris has bigger tits

.

Oh yeah


/hot.. like her saddle

jjorsett: Just because some pokenoses want to know doesn't mean you have to tell them.



THIS.


Fark them.... no good can come of this, only more control

jjorsett: I got the long form last time and they wanted to know crap like how many toilets my house

Ok. Here's a Link (PDF) to the entire census and the reasons why they ask what they do. The toilet question is partly to determine how many elderly people live in poverty, and partly to determine which areas need general housing assitance.

Now, you may be OPPOSED to general housing assistance, or elder care, but that's not the issue. The issue is, if we are going to spend money on this stuff, let's find out where we spend it.

(and it's not HOW MANY toilets do you have, it's "do you have ANY toilets").

Jairzinho: The crazy biatch likes to ride on top. No questions about that.

That's my favorite. NOT only is she holding her reins like she got a groom leading her, her stirrups are too long.

michelle bachmann: wait...what? you have a problem with that?

Hey there sugartits. Glad to see a fellow Republican celebrity at this site finally!

Phil Herup: jjorsett: Just because some pokenoses want to know doesn't mean you have to tell them.

Anti-Semite

as a lurker, i tend to read everyones opinion (including trolls) because you never know who might actually make some sort of a valid point. however, Davey Croquette has just joined the exclusive ranks of my ignore list. his posts have absolutely no merit and an extreme absence of intellectual comments. so, it pleases me to say

SHUT UP DAVEY CROQUETTE, YOU COCK!

Alright. well I gotta go. Half day and all that. Plus I got this new girlfriend. She's nice and I like her but ever since we kinda went exclusive she's become real needy, you know? Pick me up here, take me there, buy me this. You get the picture. I can feel the momentum picking up already- She's got wedding bells ringing in her head. Which I don't really need right now. Hell, I've got enough ex-wives to start a basketball team. The problem I have is probably the same problem a lot of you guys have: She's really good in bed. She's nasty. Internet-nasty not just Seventies-hairy nasty. Which I kinda wonder how she got that way but not really. I know she's been around. I'm just glad she's into it. My second wife had a few hangups especially south of the taintal region if you know what I'm saying. She really wants kids. Three of 'em. Which would take my total to 8+. That's a lot of kids to put through beauty college. I may have a talk with her about it tonight but maybe not because she's a little sketchy. I can see her just walking out which would suck because I'm super horny.

Update: New GF wants me to paint her garage this Sunday instead of playing golf. I'll probably do it. That's how I roll. I mean, I've got my whole life to play golf. How many chances do I get to paint a hot-ass, un-air-conditioned garage during the summer in Florida? Damn few. I'm curious, Ladies. Do you press us into your service KNOWING we're led around by our dix or are you just under the delusion we really want to do nice things for you? If i were a girl I'd conduct an experiment. I'd ask the guy I was farking to do a list of things. Then I'd ask a guy I'm not banging to do the same list. I hypothesize that the guy banging is a lot more willing to put up with the endless stream of honey-do's women always have for us.

Rev. Skarekroe: The Bush administration asking the same questions would have made it a patriotic duty.

I don't differentiate between the republicans and democrats in Washington. As far as their actions go, they might as well be factions of the same party, which of course they are. They're all bought-off, corrupt whores.

The sad thing is that we operate under the illusion of a representative government, when in fact the actions of the government represent the aims of a very few and powerful corporations and individuals (cough)DavidRockefeller(cough).

But then, there are still some people who think we went into Iraq to "protect our freedoms."

The Founding Fathers envisioned a many part system; and we ended up with an ipso facto one-party system that trades perceived "control" every so often.

The number of failed Bush policies Obama isn't bothering to change should have his supporters up in arms - but since he's so cute they just keep waiting and making excuses.

Obama doesn't control jack. He follows orders just like Bush and the rest did. The last president to actually try to act like he had some degree of power was Kennedy, and they put a few bullets into him just to prove a point.

what_now: Ok. This is four pictures of Katherine Harris on what looks to be at least three different horses (can't tell about the last two).

In not one of them is she holding the reins correctly.

Ok, i'm going to have to argue with you on this one.

No, she's not doing the textbook "one rein per hand" thing.

i rode as a child (farm kid, rural area) and NOBODY held the reins the proper way. My mother rode for forty years and always held the reins as Ms Harris does in those pictures.

The stirrup thing too...it just totally looks like she's a long-time casual rider. NO, one's stirrups should not be that long...but who's going to take the time to fark with stirrups on what's probably a borrowed saddle?

She just looks like a casual rider to me.

/can't believe i'm defending her
//need a shower now

SHUT UP DAVEY CROQUETTE, YOU COCK!

TYVM. I'm touched. And it's only taken me a few weeks. FlMtnMan said you all were hyper-sensitive, under-informed teenagers repeating memes and reposting jpegs ad nauseum but I didn't believe him 'til now.


See you on 4Chan.

President George W. Bush: michelle bachmann: wait...what? you have a problem with that?

Hey there sugartits. Glad to see a fellow Republican celebrity at this site finally!

LOL! That was funny.

what_now: Hender: I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

mofroe: I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama shirt like this one:

Oh. Oh yes. I would totally do this.

Anyone wanna put another $20 on me rocking a hijab?

Heck, I'd throw in $100 bucks for a schoolgirl uniform, pigtails, and... oh wait. You're talking about doing the census?

Never mind.

Now she wants to "help" me paint. Women can't paint. They're too sloppy and spend zero time patchin' holes and caulkin' cracks. I told her if she wants to help me with something that takes all day she should do my taxes or ______ my _______.

She doesn't think I'm that funny, either.

Davey Croquette: Now she wants to "help" me paint. Women can't paint. They're too sloppy and spend zero time patchin' holes and caulkin' cracks. I told her if she wants to help me with something that takes all day she should do my taxes or ______ my _______.

She doesn't think I'm that funny, either.

Stop this. You're not interesting and it's not humanizing you. You've said some pretty appalling things in this thread-- some that were ignorant and made us sad, some that were cruel and made us angry. Go away. Leave this thread and ideally this site entirely.

ravenlore: No, she's not doing the textbook "one rein per hand" thing.

That's english style. She's got a western saddle, she SHOULD have only one hand on the reins. But they should be threaded through her fingers so she can use each rein as a separate tool.

causal rider myself, western style.
never learned to post to a trot.

/don't even get me started on her lack of a helmet.

Stop this. You're not interesting and it's not humanizing you.

Ignore me, Cock-breath.

You've said some pretty appalling things in this thread

Your Cock breath should ignore me.

some that were ignorant and made us sad, some that were cruel and made us angry.

Go away. Leave this thread and ideally this site entirely.

You anger pleases me. Please tell me how bad I made you feel by my mere typewritten words.

Perhaps you're too sensitive, Nancy. You should ignore me.

jjorsett: I got the long form last time and they wanted to know crap like how many toilets my house has and the distance of my commute.

I'm pretty sure they don't have the long form any more.

Davey Croquette: You should ignore me.

One o' them boring afternoons before a 3 day holiday weekends, amirite?

I know I can't wait to get out of the office, myself.

Sygerrik: Stop this. You're not interesting and it's not humanizing you.

Put him on ignore. Everything he's said is a lie*. Totally worthless waste of everyone's electricity.

(*except the part about being in Florida. Somehow THAT part comes across as entirely believable.)

One o' them boring afternoons before a 3 day holiday weekends, amirite?

God, I'm just dying. The girl up front asked me to answer phones which I hate to do anyway but, wth, right? I'm so ready to get out of here. I like my job (aide to a politicain) but it sux in the summertime. Nothing to do. I mean, how many times can you masturbate at your desk before the numbers catch up with you?

So instead I'm harvesting the rich bounty of Fark.com's regular posters.

Everything he's said is a lie*

Newsflash: Anonymous people may lie to you on the internet. This is why you need REAL freinds, friend.

Done. There is a paintbrush, a green bottle and a glass bowl in my immediate future. You folks will have to troll yourselves 'til Monday. Sorry.

Phil Herup: what_now: Phil Herup:
We need to have a milk fight between Harris and Pelosi me thinks.

That is a goddam hilarious 'shop.

vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

She's a farking nutjob who should lose her job. But is she even a Democrat anymore? She ran as the Green Party candidate in 2008 IIRC.

ZAZ: Refusing to answer the intrusive questions doesn't diminish the census count of residents.

What makes you believe her followers are smart enough to only refuse answering the "intrusive" questions?

NeverDrunk23: gustakooka: elchip: rastjr: I see a day when the Democrats are the moderate right party and the U.S. finally has a real Liberal party. Then we can vote for a party that will support gay marriage, gun restrictions, and a government with the power to regulate business.

I'm young so I hope to see that one day.

Aha -- so you're a troll.

The dude wants reparations paid...but not for him to pay them, for someone else. Really. I don't think he is a troll, I think he actually believes this.

No, he's a troll alt. I believe his main account outted this alt in the Fireman Test thread a couple of days ago. It didn't help that he also admitted in the alt thread that he just makes up alts to troll.


Everything you said about me above was wrong. Just wanted to set the record straight.

RemyDuron: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

She's a farking nutjob who should lose her job. But is she even a Democrat anymore? She ran as the Green Party candidate in 2008 IIRC.

She did lose her job.

rnld: RemyDuron: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

She's a farking nutjob who should lose her job. But is she even a Democrat anymore? She ran as the Green Party candidate in 2008 IIRC.

She did lose her job.



Shocking.... Usually the Dems tolerate incompetence.

Phil Herup: rnld: RemyDuron: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

She's a farking nutjob who should lose her job. But is she even a Democrat anymore? She ran as the Green Party candidate in 2008 IIRC.

She did lose her job.



Shocking.... Usually the Dems tolerate incompetence.

Heh... unlike republicans, who actively champion incompetence.

Phil Herup: rnld: RemyDuron: vonster: 'Crats keep forgetting Cynthia McKinney.

She's a farking nutjob who should lose her job. But is she even a Democrat anymore? She ran as the Green Party candidate in 2008 IIRC.

She did lose her job.



Shocking.... Usually the Dems tolerate incompetence.

True, we tolerate you. ;)

Hender:
I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

I will sew that armband for you.

keylock71: Heh... unlike republicans, who actively champion incompetence.


Or you can continuously re-elect incompetence combined with corruption.

/with kosher salt, natch

what_now: Jairzinho: The crazy biatch likes to ride on top. No questions about that.

That's my favorite. NOT only is she holding her reins like she got a groom leading her, her stirrups are too long.

FAP!

netweavr: The Republican guild leader really needs to gkick the fat and start opening up a recruitment drive.

LFG? 150+yo guild. 7 bank slots, tabard. Will make an officer on join! PST.

Bachmann is a vacuum. Her husband, lord, master, programmer, is responsible for a lot of her wharrgarbl. He tells her what to get wound up about, then he points her and gives her a shove. On her own she'd never get past the shiny things.

Phil Herup: Or you can continuously re-elect incompetence combined with corruption.

He was charged or convicted with what exactly?

Jackpot777: mofroe: Hender: what_now: pointed out an "unfortunate irony" in Bachmann's boycott, saying it "only increases the likelihood that Acorn-recruited census takers will be dispatched to her constituents' homes. Anyone who completes and returns their census form will remove any need for a census taker to visit their residence."

I will quit my job and volunteer for Acorn if they promise me I can be the person to knock on Michelle Bachman's door.

I'd pay you $50 to wear a uniform and an armband with Obama's picture on it if you did so.

I'm good for another $20 on that if you wear a badly airbrushed Obama Palin shirt like this one:



/Real Republican women. If dumpy is your thang...

I bet I could guess that woman's IQ within +/- 4 points and describe the contents of her bookshelf with an accuracy that would make me look like a god.

rnld: Phil Herup: Or you can continuously re-elect incompetence combined with corruption.

He was charged or convicted with what exactly?



He should be charged with felony tax evasion, but do you think that will happen with the Dems in control?


May you be a Rangel apologist?

rastjr: Wow, the troll comment happened quick today.

It doesn't bother me anymore. People with little to say are little people.

If you don't like what I believe, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm perfectly capable of moving on without elchip in my life.

Is Remove all Republicans traveling?

baska: Bachmann is a vacuum. Her husband, lord, master, programmer, is responsible for a lot of her wharrgarbl. He tells her what to get wound up about, then he points her and gives her a shove. On her own she'd never get past the shiny things.

Hey, he has to keep her busy while he sneaks off to the Sore Stallions Men's Massage-a-torium.

/Have you seen the dude? He's fruitier than Carmen Miranda's hat.

fernt: I'm curious subby...

Why is it retarded not to want to let the government in on:

- the schedule of when you leave your house and when you return

- my ancestry

- my level of education

- if I have difficulty making decisions

- extensive personal income information

- how I get to work

- how much time off from work I took

- details about my house, how many rooms, bathrooms, etc.

- details of my utility bills

- details about my mortgage

...and so on.

I feel that the federal government is really "getting to know me" on an uncomfortable level. Michele Bachmann may be batshiat crazy, but the federal government should really only need to how many human beings inhabit the structure at that address, and leave the rest up to the states or to the citizens' discretion.

But it's ok with you if George bush jr taps your phone without a warrant?

Cyberluddite: WHY IN THE F*CK DO SO MANY OF YOU PEOPLE TAKE THE BAIT AND ENGAGE WITH TROLLS??

the trap is that some of us are just learning
plus, the NON-NUTS try to be honest and hear the other side out.
forgetting, that there be trolls here

poot_rootbeer: Your own writing barely qualifies as English. WTF.

um
try looking up gullible or sarcasm
FFS

GoldSpider: rastjr: Wow, the troll comment happened quick today.

It doesn't bother me anymore. People with little to say are little people.

If you don't like what I believe, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I'm perfectly capable of moving on without elchip in my life.

Is Remove all Republicans traveling?

What are you referring to?

Michele Bachmann: Twenty-eight pages. Sean, you know the one question they don't ask? They don't ask, "are you an American citizen?" They don't ask if you're here on a visa or when it expires. We have no real idea how many illegal aliens are in our country. But wouldn't you think, here they are asking every personal question about our lives, they could at least ask if we're an American citizen? They don't bother to ask for that.



FAIL.


/The irony is that if enough Minnesotans follow Michele Bachmann's advice, they might lose a representative, namely, Michele Bachmann.

Flatulent_Flea: Bachmann's husband, Marcus Bachman, is a clinical therapist in Minneapolis and a Christian counselor whose practice reportedly includes "curing" gay people.

By "curing" gay people do you mean he takes them on camping trips to religious retreats out in the woods where they can all be together for a weekend or longer in order to deal with their sexuality away from spouses' prying eyes and skeptical critics?

No wonder his mouth is open in the picture. It's probably stuck in that position.

Bf+: /The irony is that if enough Minnesotans follow Michele Bachmann's advice, they might lose a representative, namely, Michele Bachmann.

the dream is still alive

cchris_39: How are they going to keep from counting illegals?

There is only one box for "not a U.S. Citizen" but no further questions as to how and whether they are here legally.

cchris_39: moralpanic: Are you really unaware of how insane you sound?

He sounds perfectly sane. Do realize how invincibly ignorant and naive YOU sound?

LOL, afte the first quote you really can't comment on sanity.

To your first non-point; they may be illeagal but they still exist.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Life must be very tough for a moderate Republican these days.

If you can find one. I don't know anyone these days willing to call themselves a "moderate" and a "Republican" at the same time.

"We appreciate their views and hope to be able to work with them to keep Acorn - which has earned public mistrust through its repeated voter registration fraud - out of the census," Dziok said.

I like they way they take a wild-eyed, arm-waving accusation that is completely without any foundation in the real world, and throw it out there like it was a proven conclusion. Unfortunately, to the untutored right wing, assertion = truth, especially when it has a racial component.

Noam Chimpsky: More proof that Bachmann is right! I'm surprised these jerks could take the time to peak out of their Argentine love nests to make a comment about a Republican who is actually working on behalf of the people.

WAAAHH WAAAH WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Bf+:
FAIL.

/The irony is that if enough Minnesotans follow Michele Bachmann's advice, they might lose a representative, namely, Michele Bachmann.

Where on that form does it ask if the person is an illegal alien? That was the point she was making, although she did it clumsily.

The only legitimate thing for the census to do is tally citizens to determine representation, and that's about the only fracking thing it doesn't do.

Noam Chimpsky: The only legitimate thing for the census to do is tally citizens to determine representation, and that's about the only fracking thing it doesn't do.

so, the box which says "no, not a US citizen"
that would not allow you to determine the number of citizens versus non-citizens???

really?

Noam Chimpsky: Where on that form does it ask if the person is an illegal alien? That was the point she was making, although she did it clumsily.

Her quote starts out with "Sean, you know the one question they don't ask? They don't ask, "are you an American citizen?"

The form very clearly asks "are you an American citizen?".

There's "clumsy" and there's "just plain wrong".

what_now: Ok. This is four pictures of Katherine Harris on what looks to be at least three different horses (can't tell about the last two).

In not one of them is she holding the reins correctly.

Given that she's waving and a really proper grip involves two hands and un-tied reins, what exactly are you suggesting she does?

Also, do you complain when you see people on the highway with their hands at 12 and 4 instead of 10 and 2 on the steering wheel? If it works it works.

//Hate horses, but am still trained to ride them to some extent. Managed to get away from the damned things before I had to learn to break 'em, thankfully.
//Only animals dumber than cattle.

Phil Herup: rnld: Phil Herup: Or you can continuously re-elect incompetence combined with corruption.

He was charged or convicted with what exactly?



He should be charged with felony tax evasion, but do you think that will happen with the Dems in control?


May you be a Rangel apologist?

Because if anyone know about being an apologist, its Phil.

do you think, deep down, she's aware that ACORN didn't in fact engage in any voter fraud? after all, most intelligent people understand that writing "mickey mouse" on a registration form to fill a quota does not mean that mickey mouse will get a vote, right? or... does she believe this shiat?

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Noam Chimpsky: Where on that form does it ask if the person is an illegal alien? That was the point she was making, although she did it clumsily.

Her quote starts out with "Sean, you know the one question they don't ask? They don't ask, "are you an American citizen?"

The form very clearly asks "are you an American citizen?".

There's "clumsy" and there's "just plain wrong".

Yeah, but she was trying to be p.c. and make the point reciprocally. It's not a big deal but when you have people who are scared shiatless of you, they will make a big deal out of it.

Bachmann wants to be fined and she wants to be the test case. The courts will have to determine the constitutionality of each item she is fined for. That is what scares the shiat out of the libs. There are even some questions that the libs know they will want rendered unconstitutional at some point but the questions are useful to them right now so they don't even want itemized rulings that go in their favor.

The Only Good Moran: Because if anyone know about being an apologist, its Phil.

Who do I apologize for?

Noam Chimpsky: Yeah, but she was trying to be p.c. and make the point reciprocally.

No.

She was wrong.

C'mon. Say it with me. "SHE. WAS. WRONG."

2 + 2 does not = 5. Doesn't matter what point you're leading up to and it doesn't matter that there was a finer more subtle (ha!) point to come. Wrong is wrong.

(having seen you in action before, I'm not at all suprised to watch you offer such a vehement defence of "wrong".)

Phil Herup: The Only Good Moran: Because if anyone know about being an apologist, its Phil.

Who do I apologize for?
In no particular order, you are an apologist/defender of:
Bush, Palin, Cheney, Bachman, Bolton, Gonzalez, Brownie, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Savage...

The Only Good Moran: In no particular order, you are an apologist/defender of:Bush, Palin, Cheney, Bachman, Bolton, Gonzalez, Brownie, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Savage...



Cheney yes, many times, and sometimes Bush when he did something right.

The rest? Never.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Noam Chimpsky: Yeah, but she was trying to be p.c. and make the point reciprocally.

No.

She was wrong.

C'mon. Say it with me. "SHE. WAS. WRONG."

2 + 2 does not = 5. Doesn't matter what point you're leading up to and it doesn't matter that there was a finer more subtle (ha!) point to come. Wrong is wrong.

(having seen you in action before, I'm not at all suprised to watch you offer such a vehement defence of "wrong".)

You seem considerably exercised about a politician being wrong about a statement, as if they all don't do that often or for some of the politicians from the 57 states, on a daily basis.

Bachmann has steadily gotten crazier and crazier over the past year or so.

Its only a matter of time before she signs onto the Birther Conspiracy and starts demanding to see Obama's birth certificate.

Crazy! That's our Michelle, all right - tries to come off sweet, dreams of a permanent Republican majority, that sort of thing. From San Francisco to San Antonio, Rose Hill to Rochester, you don't find that strange brand of insanity very often. It reminds me of that scene in Dirty Dancing when Patrick Swayze is back in Baby's arms and she knows she has him. Republicans, she's got you, so if you have leaving on your mind just forget about it because our Michelle would be lovesick. Blues, don't think you're much better, but I'll shut up now before I fall. Two pieces of advice... oh forget it. Never no more will I bother to give advice where it's not wanted.

Noam Chimpsky, are you illiterate, or are you simply ignoring the dozens of posters who have repeatedly pointed out-- citing chapter and verse-- how any question that appears on the census is be definition constitutional, as the Constitution places no limits on what can be asked?

Phil Herup: He should be charged with felony tax evasion, but do you think that will happen with the Dems in control?

You do know that for that to stick, they'd need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the failure to report certain income was deliberately done, and not an accidental omission or error.

Generally, the only people who get convicted are people like Wesley Snipes who are tax protesters, people like Leona Helmsley who specifically instructed workers on how to evade taxes, or people who have actively set up schemes to hide money from the IRS. In all but a few percent of tax cases, there's no criminal charge, just penalties and interest.

O SNAO

Sum Dum Gai: Phil Herup: He should be charged with felony tax evasion, but do you think that will happen with the Dems in control?


You do know that for that to stick, they'd need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the failure to report certain income was deliberately done, and not an accidental omission or error.

Generally, the only people who get convicted are people like Wesley Snipes who are tax protesters, people like Leona Helmsley who specifically instructed workers on how to evade taxes, or people who have actively set up schemes to hide money from the IRS. In all but a few percent of tax cases, there's no criminal charge, just penalties and interest.

Well Charles Rangel is THE CHAIRMAN of the House Ways and Means... they write tax law. He knew what he was doing. He is not stupid.

Are you a Rangel Apologist?

He is either incompetent or a tax cheat. Which will you accept?



/reasonable doubt? Please. He steals from you as well.

Phil Herup: Well Charles Rangel is THE CHAIRMAN of the House Ways and Means... they write tax law. He knew what he was doing. He is not stupid.

I'm a smart guy as well, and I've made tax errors before.

Nobody's alleging he didn't know he needed to pay taxes on that income, just that he forgot to include it. It was a relatively small amount of money ($4k per year on average) and until recently, the money was going directly to paying down the mortgage he had on the property.

Anyone who is going to try to cheat the IRS on purpose isn't going to nickel and dime it. We're talking him underpaying by about $1400 per year or so. $115/month in savings is certainly not worth doing that on purpose, considering just how harsh the penalties and interest are. The "reward" isn't worth the risk.

Phil Herup: rnld: Phil Herup: Or you can continuously re-elect incompetence combined with corruption.

He was charged or convicted with what exactly?



He should be charged with felony tax evasion, but do you think that will happen with the Dems in control?


May you be a Rangel apologist?

I don't care about Rangel.

What evidence do you have? When the GOP was in control for 12 years, why didn't they do anything?

Scooter Libby became a convicted felon under a GOP White House and Congress.

Look you idiots. This is what I found when searching for Michelle Bachmann tits (NSFW):

Bewbs, good bewbs Farks retarded implementation of html forbids it so cuttapasta manual like:

http://xs539.xs.toxs5390921431751_0c3_michelle056_extra_359lo338.jpg

Can't we all just get along?

dammit try this lnk. Look in the middle of the page. Yes it is all about tits. Duh. NSFW:

http://shoutwire.com/ecomments/full/255765/Tits_Rats_And_A_Sinking_Ship_NSFW_

She is the blonde with tits.

Sum Dum Gai: Phil Herup: Well Charles Rangel is THE CHAIRMAN of the House Ways and Means... they write tax law. He knew what he was doing. He is not stupid.


Sum Dum Gai: I'm a smart guy as well, and I've made tax errors before.



I long for the day when I wish I could be as smart as Charles Rangel.