PascalsGhost: Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

What does "cap and trade" have to do with the stimulus bill?

PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

elchip: Bush passed TARP

No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

That's because he pays attention to the statisticals.

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

Worked out great for Spain too.

But since all the polar bears are dying off, and I need to upgrade my polar bear jacket and slipper collection, something must be done!

GaryPDX: No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Wow...I figured they'd need SOME kind of executive signature on that one...

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

What?! You're planning to make a 16 inch pizza! That's insane! We've never tried anything of that diameter before! Yes, we've eaten the personal pizzas. They were quite delicious. But not that large, man! Are you out of your mind?!

Wait...let me guess. Barney Frank signed it into law.

WEWT

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

Get back to us when Obama starts a couple of wars and tries to keep the costs off the books. Then MAYBE we can start talking about starting to talk.

I think we're already down the rabbit hole. These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

So why weren't you talking trash about the Republican party 6 years ago? Ohhh, that's right. Because you're a Republcian. Now, in order to blame the Dems, you kinda have to blame the Republicans as well. Are you still a Republican? Or did you just recently change?

GaryPDX: I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

But suddenly now you're deciding that the whole government money thing is going to hell.

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Wow...I figured they'd need SOME kind of executive signature on that one...

Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Corvus: That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

I didn't realize Obama was responsible for $1.8 trillion in TARP bailouts this year, and $1.4 trillion next year...

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

But suddenly now you're deciding that the whole government money thing is going to hell.

There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

GaryPDX: Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Interesting how you're just trying to brush off Bush's responsibility for TARP...

GaryPDX: There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

And we're glad you've been so vocal about it previously.

GaryPDX: Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Sooo, you were awake the past 8 years? Seems to me you kept hitting the snooze button until a librul popped in the Oval office.

Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Profit? That's a good one.

GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.



Indeed.

GaryPDX: There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

Odd then that you defended them in post after post for years. Take your "I was the lone voice in the wilderness speaking out against Bush" nonsense somewhere else. Nobody here is stupid enough to fall for it.

i wonder how many more people lost their house's and families after reading this

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!

Gheyer than a male farker. And get this, also like male farkers, he's fabulously inept in the ways of ecconomics.

antiquing in Provincetown

I LOL'd

/+1 Subby

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

And somehow, in this very thread, you stated this administration was worse than the previous. I'm truly intrigued on the specifics of that assertion.

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

I will say when someone (even someone so wrong on his statisticals) is telling the truth.

Link (new window)

"Ashcroft...the scariest mutherfarker on the planet...beware. -- GaryPDX, 2004-01-06 12:35:13 AM"

/not like I'm going to check the rest of the statisticals for you. But someone here might, now they know it's on Google.
//That's not saying you did, that's not saying you didn't.

Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Sounds like a really smart move on the government's part, eh? Not that Bush intended it to be.

absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

You actually went through and counted?

/and I thought I had too much time on my hands

Somehow I just know the word "Profit" is not being used correctly here.

absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

Joliet_Jake: Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Rules of Fark Liberalism.

1. Always point out how anybody who disagrees with you is a Republican, oops, a "Fark Independent", and how it's proved by the fact they disagree with you.
2. When a Democrat gets caught doing something, always point out how Democrats spank their own without bringing up Republicans doing the same thing, not like that time when the Republican got caught and we all heard about how bad Democrats were too, see, we're not doing that.
3. Make sure the other person understands how open minded and tolerant you are, unlike the mouth-breathing, inbred, bible-thumping, ignorant rednecks on the other side.
4. Always stress how much more educated a liberal is, but refuse to acknowledge that three is absolutely no statistical evidence to support it, and some that actually supports the opposite.
5. Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.
6. When, as often happens, somebody does call you on your crap, immediately go to the ad hominem, preferably by making repeated references to "Fark Independent".

You really want to play that game? The really amusing thing is that your partisan asshatery is every bit as idiotic and blind as those you biatch about.

ghare: absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

lol..uh huh.

ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

ghare: absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

I've been ignoring him for a long time but he still wastes my time by attracting responses from people who should know better.
Rebuttal is for people who merely disagree with you.
Ignore is for noise like gary.

Wraithbane: Joliet_Jake: Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Rules of Fark Liberalism.

1. Always point out how anybody who disagrees with you is a Republican, oops, a "Fark Independent", and how it's proved by the fact they disagree with you.
2. When a Democrat gets caught doing something, always point out how Democrats spank their own without bringing up Republicans doing the same thing, not like that time when the Republican got caught and we all heard about how bad Democrats were too, see, we're not doing that.
3. Make sure the other person understands how open minded and tolerant you are, unlike the mouth-breathing, inbred, bible-thumping, ignorant rednecks on the other side.
4. Always stress how much more educated a liberal is, but refuse to acknowledge that three is absolutely no statistical evidence to support it, and some that actually supports the opposite.
5. Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.
6. When, as often happens, somebody does call you on your crap, immediately go to the ad hominem, preferably by making repeated references to "Fark Independent".

You really want to play that game? The really amusing thing is that your partisan asshatery is every bit as idiotic and blind as those you biatch about.

Yes. I'm clearly guilty of all those things. I post maybe 10 times a week in Fark comments, and it's never more than 2-3 sentences, with the occasional history or civics lesson for those who want to pretend to not understand something. But hey, don't defend yourself, just respond with a completely irrelevant list of imaginary positions!

GoldSpider: PascalsGhost: Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

What does "cap and trade" have to do with the stimulus bill?


Context of the post.

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

absoluteparanoia: ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

I agree, there needs to be a way to ignore comments that quote his stupid ass. You'd have better luck having a rational conversation with my dog (she is a very smart dog, I admit).

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

I have been telling people this very thing for years and no one ever listens. Its always "My party is the true Americans and the other guys are crooks."

Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

I don't doubt you, but how does one judge that?

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Tavernknight: GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

I have been telling people this very thing for years and no one ever listens. Its always "My party is the true Americans and the other guys are crooks."

If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

yeah look at what you predicted:

GaryPDX: I can't complain..my stead went up 22% in the last year. Real Estate is where it's at. And no..I don't believe it's a bubble. Look at the KELO decision..developers are going fast and furious all across the land... because...there's only so much dirt. It's turning into gold.

It looks like I owe GaryPDX an apology. Just finished a quick search, and while I didn't see anything in that (admittedly quick) search condemning the Bush admin's spending, I did see a couple of rails against some stupid taxes.

Therefore, I have to rule that the general penalty was on me...even if he does support the Bush tax cuts.

Sorry about that, Gary.