FTFA: a proposal to spend any TARP profits before they can be returned to the taxpayers.

If they're profits, they aren't being returned anywhere. Byron York is a partisan hack and a dumbass.

Uhh, use the profits to pay down the debt we incurred when GM and Chrysler defaulted on their loans.

Seems simple enough.

Use the profit to pay any debt. There is no net profit across the entire government. There is no extra money to spend on more toys or favors. There is negative one trillion dollars to spend.

So, subby, he's going to take ages dickering (heh) over the price, comparison-shopping endlessly and calling friends for advice?

Sounds reasonable.

Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

Obdicut: So, subby, he's going to take ages dickering (heh) over the price, comparison-shopping endlessly and calling friends for advice?

Sounds reasonable.

And, in the end, buying something with little or no intrinsic value?

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

Really. Please make fun of the way he talks, not his sexual orientation.

Where's my dividend check?

Obdicut: So, subby, he's going to take ages dickering (heh) over the price, comparison-shopping endlessly and calling friends for advice?

I approve of your rhyming style.

What is going on in Frank's mind? Hell, what is going on in Mass voters minds keeping him in congress? The government is in deep, deep Kimshee and he wants to continue spending? This is insane. Why is it so hard to just leave the money alone and be used for it's intended purpose: reducing debt. Granted, 6.2 billion is but a drop in the bucket of 1.8 trillion, but for once, you dumb fark, let the legislation stand as it is instead of going half-cocked on another spending spree. Anyone agreeing with Frank should also have his head examined.

Want to help out the taxpayers? Pay down the debt that was incurred to create the TARP funds in the first place, as it was originally sold to us. As a taxpayer I'd greatly appreciate that.

I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Anyone outside of the area gonna get the P-Town reference?

The original TARP legislation required that money made from the program "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt."

That's actually a part of TARP I would agree with.

This is the greatest. Subby, You are a genius.

Dr.Knockboots: Anyone outside of the area gonna get the P-Town reference?

Probably not. But it's still FABULOUS!

KaponoFor3: The original TARP legislation required that money made from the program "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt."

I wouldn't recommend you hold your breath waiting for that to actually happen, though.

So TARP is working.

Interesting...

Provincetown wouldn't be my first choice in the area for antiquing. Although to quote one of the few jokes I remember from Frasier, I am one of the people for whom "antique" is not a verb.

/just saying...

Free Radical: So TARP is working.

Interesting...

I wonder who the Fark Free Thinkers are going to credit. I bet I can guess.

The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

GoldSpider: I wonder who the Fark Free Thinkers are going to credit. I bet I can guess.

The same person who Fark Indepenents(tm) would blame if it didn't work?

Please make fun of the way he talks, not his sexual orientation.

He talks all gay...


So TARP is working

How could it not "work". It was a bail-out. The question is whether we're better off for having bailed them out versus letting them fail. Some banks didn't even want the TARP money.

mofomisfit: Provincetown wouldn't be my first choice in the area for antiquing.

This. L2 antique Subby.

Davey Croquette: How could it not "work". It was a bail-out.

Oooh...this is a new one: "Of course it was going to work! How could it not work?"

GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State

Yeah, we're all kinda boned right now because of a separation between Corporation and State. Deregulation didn't work with some people. It just turned them into a kid in a toy store.

The Homer Tax: The same person who Fark Indepenents(tm) would blame if it didn't work?

Probably.

Davey Croquette: Please make fun of the way he talks, not his sexual orientation.

He talks all gay...

Yes, but is his shiat all retarded?

GoldSpider: Free Radical: So TARP is working.

Interesting...

I wonder who the Fark Free Thinkers are going to credit. I bet I can guess.

Even the diarists on Daily Kos saw THAT one coming four months ago (new window).

The GOP has already painted themselves into a doom-and-gloom corner. Their comments are on video, their words in dated press articles. The can try to take credit, but their own opinion from four months ago is accessible for all to see.

GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Spanky_McFarksalot: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State

Yeah, we're all kinda boned right now because of a separation between Corporation and State. Deregulation didn't work with some people. It just turned them into a kid in a toy store.

Well, the libs are grabbing everything and the country is collapsing. That's obvious.

Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

hahaha..that's right, unless you follow their god.

Davey Croquette: Please make fun of the way he talks, not his sexual orientation.

He talks all gay...


So TARP is working

How could it not "work". It was a bail-out. The question is whether we're better off for having bailed them out versus letting them fail. Some banks didn't even want the TARP money.

And the big bad government forced them to take the money? Got a source for this?

And while I agree that it is better for there to not be any "too big to fail" corporations as this sets up a real moral hazard, the ripples of financial institutions across the country collapsing would make the situation right now a LOT worse. Ideally, we should make sure to include legislation to prevent companies from getting in this situation again (like oh, I don't know... reinstituting Glass-Steagall?) but the same people who wanted these companies to collapse will bemoan the government interfering with these companies "suceeding".

Grungehamster: And the big bad government forced them to take the money? Got a source for this?


There you go. Thought this was pretty common knowledge though.

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

I hear Barney Frank likes ass.

Get it? Because he's gay!

Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Perhaps not, but they do have a long and storied history of burning people at the stake. Too much of that sort of thing can lead to a recession, you know.

Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Dude, did you miss the segment of the republican party that took over the show and ran an entire country into the ground? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Goldwater conservatives.

krelborne: what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

I hear Barney Frank likes ass.

Get it? Because he's gay!

what's wrong with ass?

SusanIvanova: Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Perhaps not, but they do have a long and storied history of burning people at the stake. Too much of that sort of thing can lead to a recession, you know.

Your god wants stake?

rohar: Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Dude, did you miss the segment of the republican party that took over the show and ran an entire country into the ground? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Goldwater conservatives.

This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years. An there's no end in sight to this calamity. We're past blaming the Republicans. Way past that.

Question; for those who include the total of the TARP loans in the projected 2009 budget deficit of the GWB administration, do these repayments represent a reduction of that deficit? I don't ask with the intention of fanning the flames of Republican versus Democrats, but more along the lines of the theory as counting a loan to an entity (or entities) as deficit spending when there is a likelihood of some repayment in both the short (less than one year) and long term.

See, people say the goverment can't do anything right. Well, here they have turned a profit. Under my economic plan, the government would nationalise the banking and mortgage industries. That way the little guy would be protected form the bankers and brokers.

GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years. An there's no end in sight to this calamity. We're past blaming the Republicans. Way past that.

You sound concerned.

Thrakkerzog: GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years. An there's no end in sight to this calamity. We're past blaming the Republicans. Way past that.

You sound concerned.

lol..everyone should be. But I have solace in knowing my Zombie Apocalypse Defense Plans are up to date.

Why do congresscritters go through all these motions about percentages, equations, bills, votes, etc.... They should just do what they want to do and take over all of our lives completely right now and be done with it. The charade is tiresome.

GaryPDX: lol..everyone should be. But I have solace in knowing my Zombie Apocalypse Defense Plans are up to date.

I've clocked in enough hours of L4D. I'm all ready, as long as I don't have to be Zoey. You can be Bill. ;-)

GaryPDX: rohar: Free Radical: GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Exactly, because churches can collapse an entire economy.

Dude, did you miss the segment of the republican party that took over the show and ran an entire country into the ground? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Goldwater conservatives.

This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years. An there's no end in sight to this calamity. We're past blaming the Republicans. Way past that.

I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

He is. I just finished signing the Loyalty Oath that he swore everyone was going to be forced to sign after Obama got elected.

Gary was right again!

GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

K fine, on what front?

I'll believe in a net profit for the bank/insurance company bailouts when Santa Claus delivers it.

What, we got screwed again? Say it isn't so.

The Homer Tax: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

He is. I just finished signing the Loyalty Oath that he swore everyone was going to be forced to sign after Obama got elected.

Gary was right again!

hahahah..have you done your census yet?

We should get these government people to run health care.

If Mr. Frank wants funding for his pet projects maybe he should run a gay brothel out of his condo.

rohar: GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

K fine, on what front?

Almost too many to count at this point.

GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

How is your vision? Have you been to the eye doctor lately?

For once I agree with the Fark Independents and I intend to steal the phrase "separation of corporation and state."

Unfortunately for all of us, neither churches nor corporations will accept being divorced from government. Churches have long since accepted their own sort of social contract where they have sharp limits on political power but most of their tenets are enshrined in law. But the corporations just keep buying bits of the government and farking with the little guy--as an investor I see them following their duty to make money for me, but as a little guy I them ripping me off. I think it's time to rethink the relationship between business and government, to a point.

Rev. Creflo Baller: separation of corporation and state

The state has to ordain the creation of a corporation. They're inextricably linked.

Shaggy_C: Rev. Creflo Baller: separation of corporation and state

The state has to ordain the creation of a corporation. They're inextricably linked.

Funny, I thought it was just a registration. Churches have to do the same so their tax exempt.

GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

That's an interesting thing for a blind man to say.

GaryPDX: hahahah..have you done your census yet?

The thing that the Constitution says must be administered every decade? Not yet. Is there a loyalty oath section in there that I'm unaware of?

paygun: What, we got screwed again? Say it isn't so.

It isn't so. Nothing has happened.

'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. 'The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'

NY Times Article

I don't care how much he enjoys other men's hairy asses - whatever.

I do care that he is a complete partisan hack and the poster child for why our system of government has failed.

The Homer Tax: GaryPDX: hahahah..have you done your census yet?

The thing that the Constitution says must be administered every decade? Not yet. Is there a loyalty oath section in there that I'm unaware of?

I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. But there are rumors..lol.

GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years.

Have you lost your farking mind?

and tomorrow, monkeys will fly out of my asss.

SDRR: 'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. 'The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'

NY Times Article

I don't care how much he enjoys other men's hairy asses - whatever.

I do care that he is a complete partisan hack and the poster child for why our system of government has failed.

Yeah. We're in real dire straits, what with our currency's value on the rise, our stock market on the rebound, and our government being accountable to the people again.

Gigantic failure of government right here.

GaryPDX: rohar: GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.

K fine, on what front?

Almost too many to count at this point.

Let's see here, massive expansion of government powers and a disdain for personal liberties? I think ole junior pretty much perfected this one.

Massive spending? Yup, 6 years of war funding on top of tarp vs. the stimulus package. Yeah, I'm thinking junior takes this one too.

I'm not sure what you're seeing, and I'm not exactly thrilled about this administration either, but the contrast is striking. Just backwards from what you're saying.

How about no, Mr. Frank? Does no work for you? Because I can throw in a fark no if that's what you'd prefer.

GhostFish: GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years.

Have you lost your farking mind?

I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

rohar: Massive spending? Yup, 6 years of war funding on top of tarp vs. the stimulus package. Yeah, I'm thinking junior takes this one too.

This is the one that gets me. Most of my right wing friends / acquaintances fail to recognize that war spending was not included in the overall budget when Bush was in office and that it is included with Obama's budget.

No more War Spending Tricks (new window)

GaryPDX: GhostFish: GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years.

Have you lost your farking mind?

I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

What's got your nickers in a knot about this administration? Why was the last one better? Could you be specific?

occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

So does this mean banks now think it is a bad idea to try to destroy the world economy for their own short term gain then?

Maybe some good has come out of this...

rohar: What's got your nickers in a knot about this administration? Why was the last one better? Could you be specific?

I don't like parties (factions). We're being played, intentionally kept divided. It's way too much We, the Party and not enough We, the People. But I really don't like liberal hive ideology. In 2 days it's "Independence Day". Do you even remember what that means? I do.

/20k foot level

I thought we had all agreed not to quote GaryPDX. It's rude to make those of us who have him blocked read him being wrong again and again.

Thrakkerzog: rohar: Massive spending? Yup, 6 years of war funding on top of tarp vs. the stimulus package. Yeah, I'm thinking junior takes this one too.

This is the one that gets me. Most of my right wing friends / acquaintances fail to recognize that war spending was not included in the overall budget when Bush was in office and that it is included with Obama's budget.

It's funny. You tell them this obvious fact and they completely disregard it. They're really good at doing that too.

GaryPDX: rohar: What's got your nickers in a knot about this administration? Why was the last one better? Could you be specific?

I don't like parties (factions). We're being played, intentionally kept divided. It's way too much We, the Party and not enough We, the People. But I really don't like liberal hive ideology. In 2 days it's "Independence Day". Do you even remember what that means? I do.

/20k foot level

It means a bunch of people who were sick of the way things always were Stood up for the freedom to think like they want to and rule themselves.

Of course Republicans only remember the "war" part and not the "freedom" and "change" part.

/1776 republican = Loyalist

hey gay franky why don't we use it to pay off the debt you moron

GaryPDX: GhostFish: GaryPDX: This administration has done far more damage in 6 months than the Republicans did in 8 years.

Have you lost your farking mind?

I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

Point taken. You've lost your mind. Granted I wouldn't use 'wonderful.' I would just say 'incredibly significant upgrade.'

Also, how'd you get off my ignore list?

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!

No...it's because he just really likes antiques.

JokerMattly: It means a bunch of people who were sick of the way things always were Stood up for the freedom to think like they want to and rule themselves.

Of course Republicans only remember the "war" part and not the "freedom" and "change" part.

If you think being welfare wards of the state is somehow freedom, then you're nuts. And I'm not a republican.

GaryPDX: I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

Get back to us when Obama starts a couple of wars and tries to keep the costs off the books. Then MAYBE we can start talking about starting to talk.

justtray: Also, how'd you get off my ignore list?

lol..I dunno.

SDRR: 'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. 'The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.'

NY Times Article FROM 2003.

Show me politicians in 2003 saying FF had looming financial issues.

I don't care how much he enjoys other men's hairy asses - whatever.

Right. He's gay. We get it.

I do care that he is a complete partisan hack and the poster child for why our system of government has failed.

And gay, you know that, right? Carry on dipshiat!

GaryPDX: I don't like parties (factions). We're being played, intentionally kept divided.

You Independent you.

\never remembered you bashing the right this much

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

Get back to us when Obama starts a couple of wars and tries to keep the costs off the books. Then MAYBE we can start talking about starting to talk.

I think we're already down the rabbit hole. These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

B-B-B-B-But I thought all that TARP money was money all lost and none would ever be repaid.

That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

What they were wrong?

Naww.

GaryPDX: If you think being welfare wards of the state is somehow freedom, then you're nuts. And I'm not a republican.

I would be thrilled to get the money back directly that I pay in taxes. At least it's not food stamps, you can buy guns with your welfare money and be a Rugged Independent^TM and shun society just like you would otherwise.

elchip: GaryPDX: I don't like parties (factions). We're being played, intentionally kept divided.

You Independent you.

\never remembered you bashing the right this much

Well, it has been a while. The Republicans were short timers by 06, pretty much irrelevant. We went from one extreme to the other real fast.

Corvus: B-B-B-B-But I thought all that TARP money was money all lost and none would ever be repaid.

That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

What they were wrong?

Naww.

Bush passed TARP

GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

GaryPDX:
Well, it has been a while. The Republicans were short timers by 06, pretty much irrelevant. We went from one extreme to the other real fast.

...if you're using geological time frames.

3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

Corvus: That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Which would really be silly of them to argue in the context of TARP, since Obama wasn't in office when TARP was created.

Corvus: B-B-B-B-But I thought all that TARP money was money all lost and none would ever be repaid.

That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

What they were wrong?

Naww.

I think you should go look up TARP.

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

PascalsGhost: Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

What does "cap and trade" have to do with the stimulus bill?

PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

elchip: Bush passed TARP

No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

That's because he pays attention to the statisticals.

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

Worked out great for Spain too.

But since all the polar bears are dying off, and I need to upgrade my polar bear jacket and slipper collection, something must be done!

GaryPDX: No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Wow...I figured they'd need SOME kind of executive signature on that one...

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

What?! You're planning to make a 16 inch pizza! That's insane! We've never tried anything of that diameter before! Yes, we've eaten the personal pizzas. They were quite delicious. But not that large, man! Are you out of your mind?!

Wait...let me guess. Barney Frank signed it into law.

WEWT

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: I guess. If you guys think what's happening is somehow wonderful, then I guess so.

Get back to us when Obama starts a couple of wars and tries to keep the costs off the books. Then MAYBE we can start talking about starting to talk.

I think we're already down the rabbit hole. These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

So why weren't you talking trash about the Republican party 6 years ago? Ohhh, that's right. Because you're a Republcian. Now, in order to blame the Dems, you kinda have to blame the Republicans as well. Are you still a Republican? Or did you just recently change?

GaryPDX: I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

But suddenly now you're deciding that the whole government money thing is going to hell.

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: No, the Legislature did. Guess who wrote it? Geitner and Bernake.

Wow...I figured they'd need SOME kind of executive signature on that one...

Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Corvus: That's what all the right wing farkers posted in their BS charts of "Obama spending the most money in the history of the government" AGAIN AND AGAIN.

I didn't realize Obama was responsible for $1.8 trillion in TARP bailouts this year, and $1.4 trillion next year...

IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

But suddenly now you're deciding that the whole government money thing is going to hell.

There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

GaryPDX: Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Interesting how you're just trying to brush off Bush's responsibility for TARP...

GaryPDX: There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

And we're glad you've been so vocal about it previously.

GaryPDX: Bush was a shortimer..he gave Pelosi and Frank what they wanted. Duhh. Geitner became Secretary of Treasury..Obama's tax cheating darling. C'mon..wake up.

Sooo, you were awake the past 8 years? Seems to me you kept hitting the snooze button until a librul popped in the Oval office.

Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Profit? That's a good one.

GaryPDX: Headso: I hear GaryPDX is usually right about this stuff...

I just calls'em as I sees'em.



Indeed.

GaryPDX: There's nothing "all of a sudden" about my opinions. I knew what these clowns were trying to do.

Odd then that you defended them in post after post for years. Take your "I was the lone voice in the wilderness speaking out against Bush" nonsense somewhere else. Nobody here is stupid enough to fall for it.

i wonder how many more people lost their house's and families after reading this

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!

Gheyer than a male farker. And get this, also like male farkers, he's fabulously inept in the ways of ecconomics.

antiquing in Provincetown

I LOL'd

/+1 Subby

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

And somehow, in this very thread, you stated this administration was worse than the previous. I'm truly intrigued on the specifics of that assertion.

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

So where was this outrage of yours since...oh...2002?

I'm not going to search the archives for you..lol. I railed for months against the patriot act. I hated Gonzalez and Ashcroft. Myers was a joke..blah blah..I even voted for *cough* Gore the first time. And I always though Iraq was a bad idea and it was a strategic clusterfark.

/ancient history

I will say when someone (even someone so wrong on his statisticals) is telling the truth.

Link (new window)

"Ashcroft...the scariest mutherfarker on the planet...beware. -- GaryPDX, 2004-01-06 12:35:13 AM"

/not like I'm going to check the rest of the statisticals for you. But someone here might, now they know it's on Google.
//That's not saying you did, that's not saying you didn't.

Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Sounds like a really smart move on the government's part, eh? Not that Bush intended it to be.

absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

You actually went through and counted?

/and I thought I had too much time on my hands

Somehow I just know the word "Profit" is not being used correctly here.

absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

Joliet_Jake: Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Rules of Fark Liberalism.

1. Always point out how anybody who disagrees with you is a Republican, oops, a "Fark Independent", and how it's proved by the fact they disagree with you.
2. When a Democrat gets caught doing something, always point out how Democrats spank their own without bringing up Republicans doing the same thing, not like that time when the Republican got caught and we all heard about how bad Democrats were too, see, we're not doing that.
3. Make sure the other person understands how open minded and tolerant you are, unlike the mouth-breathing, inbred, bible-thumping, ignorant rednecks on the other side.
4. Always stress how much more educated a liberal is, but refuse to acknowledge that three is absolutely no statistical evidence to support it, and some that actually supports the opposite.
5. Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.
6. When, as often happens, somebody does call you on your crap, immediately go to the ad hominem, preferably by making repeated references to "Fark Independent".

You really want to play that game? The really amusing thing is that your partisan asshatery is every bit as idiotic and blind as those you biatch about.

ghare: absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

lol..uh huh.

ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

ghare: absoluteparanoia: Fully 34 replies have been made to GaryPDX alone. From my perspective there are 93 comments. This means he is responsible for trolling a solid 33% of the thread.

Can we all agree to stop quoting him until there's a feature to block any mention of his name?

He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

I've been ignoring him for a long time but he still wastes my time by attracting responses from people who should know better.
Rebuttal is for people who merely disagree with you.
Ignore is for noise like gary.

Wraithbane: Joliet_Jake: Rules of Fark Independence

1. To achieve true independence from political parties, always make outlandish, demonstrably false claims, and when questioned on your silly views, demand the other person WAKES UP ALREADY.

Rules of Fark Liberalism.

1. Always point out how anybody who disagrees with you is a Republican, oops, a "Fark Independent", and how it's proved by the fact they disagree with you.
2. When a Democrat gets caught doing something, always point out how Democrats spank their own without bringing up Republicans doing the same thing, not like that time when the Republican got caught and we all heard about how bad Democrats were too, see, we're not doing that.
3. Make sure the other person understands how open minded and tolerant you are, unlike the mouth-breathing, inbred, bible-thumping, ignorant rednecks on the other side.
4. Always stress how much more educated a liberal is, but refuse to acknowledge that three is absolutely no statistical evidence to support it, and some that actually supports the opposite.
5. Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.
6. When, as often happens, somebody does call you on your crap, immediately go to the ad hominem, preferably by making repeated references to "Fark Independent".

You really want to play that game? The really amusing thing is that your partisan asshatery is every bit as idiotic and blind as those you biatch about.

Yes. I'm clearly guilty of all those things. I post maybe 10 times a week in Fark comments, and it's never more than 2-3 sentences, with the occasional history or civics lesson for those who want to pretend to not understand something. But hey, don't defend yourself, just respond with a completely irrelevant list of imaginary positions!

GoldSpider: PascalsGhost: Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

What does "cap and trade" have to do with the stimulus bill?


Context of the post.

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GaryPDX: The colossal train wreck is underway.

Cap and Trade, and ObamaCare.

The "stimulus" package is doing great too. At least that was precise, streamlined, and wasn't filled with social programs.

Cap and Trade has proven to work great for environmental issues. Again, recorded history disagrees with the right wing stance.

It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

absoluteparanoia: ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

I agree, there needs to be a way to ignore comments that quote his stupid ass. You'd have better luck having a rational conversation with my dog (she is a very smart dog, I admit).

GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

I have been telling people this very thing for years and no one ever listens. Its always "My party is the true Americans and the other guys are crooks."

Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

I don't doubt you, but how does one judge that?

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wraithbane: Always demand a citation, but always refuse to acknowledge any validity to the citations the back up a point you don't like. Make sure to pay particular attention to the source, because when you can't attack the message, you can always attack the messanger.

I got a full dose of this the other day in a OMG FOX NEWS!!!! thread.

Heads literally exploded when I showed that OMG FOX NEWS!!!! actually had more positive coverage of Obama than McCain during the election cycle.

But, you get those trolls and deniers on both sides....just make it particularly gratifying because it exploded a OMG FOX NEWS!!!!! myth all to hell.

Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Tavernknight: GaryPDX: IXI Jim IXI: GaryPDX: These two parties have both screwed the pooch. The colossal train wreck is underway.

The colossal train wreck has been underway for years. But now suddenly you decide you want to complain about it...

huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

I have been telling people this very thing for years and no one ever listens. Its always "My party is the true Americans and the other guys are crooks."

If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

yeah look at what you predicted:

GaryPDX: I can't complain..my stead went up 22% in the last year. Real Estate is where it's at. And no..I don't believe it's a bubble. Look at the KELO decision..developers are going fast and furious all across the land... because...there's only so much dirt. It's turning into gold.

It looks like I owe GaryPDX an apology. Just finished a quick search, and while I didn't see anything in that (admittedly quick) search condemning the Bush admin's spending, I did see a couple of rails against some stupid taxes.

Therefore, I have to rule that the general penalty was on me...even if he does support the Bush tax cuts.

Sorry about that, Gary.

Joliet_Jake: Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Sometimes it seems like you try rationality, other times like this, it's like you are trolling or having a weird bi-polar attack.

IXI Jim IXI: It looks like I owe GaryPDX an apology. Just finished a quick search, and while I didn't see anything in that (admittedly quick) search condemning the Bush admin's spending, I did see a couple of rails against some stupid taxes.

Is this function a totalfark perk?

IXI Jim IXI:

Jim, how is your wife doing? About to explode? You're a sick bastard for getting her pregnant so she'll be 9 months pregnant in the heat of August.

You need to reserve their Fark handle once they are born.

3_Butt_Cheeks: IXI Jim IXI: It looks like I owe GaryPDX an apology. Just finished a quick search, and while I didn't see anything in that (admittedly quick) search condemning the Bush admin's spending, I did see a couple of rails against some stupid taxes.

Is this function a totalfark perk?

What? Apologizing? Nah, they let anyone do that. ;)


Not sure if it you have to be TF to pull up archived threads, but you can use google to search Fark.

This (new window) was my search.

ghare: I agree, there needs to be a way to ignore comments that quote his stupid ass. You'd have better luck having a rational conversation with my dog (she is a very smart dog, I admit).

At least a dog will let you know when they're about to shiat all over something. He just goes ahead and does it, textually.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Joliet_Jake: Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Sometimes it seems like you try rationality, other times like this, it's like you are trolling or having a weird bi-polar attack.

Maybe you misunderstood my post. That study was tracking throughout the primary and general election season. Obama had more positive stories surrounding his repeated primary wins over Hillary Clinton during the spring, in addition to repeated polling throughout the entire general election campaign showing him ahead. Add to this the repeated negative stories surrounding the terrible rollout of Sarah Palin and there's really no competition. Granted, the Reverend Wright thing had some legs, but that was pretty much a 1 week story.

Thrakkerzog: You're a sick bastard for getting her pregnant so she'll be 9 months pregnant in the heat of August.

To be fair, none of that is his fault...

Thrakkerzog: Jim, how is your wife doing? About to explode? You're a sick bastard for getting her pregnant so she'll be 9 months pregnant in the heat of August.

She's doing well, thanks. About 50 days to go, although they say 1st babies go a little over in general. She's enjoying it, but wants the baby out and healthy and wants those 50 days over soon, dammit! :D

And blame the antibiotic/birth control combo, not me! Of course, it's not like you'd know it's summer yet around here...

GoldSpider: To be fair, none of that is his fault...

The last ultrasound showed that the baby has hair...so I already have my doubts ;)

GoldSpider: To be fair, none of that is his fault...

What, his wife is a Succubus?

Headso: GaryPDX: huh? I've known the train wreck was underway since they started selling mortgages like used car loans. That was the Clinton Administration. It was building long before that too. Do you really believe there's some real difference between these two parties? They've been gaming us since the civil war.

yeah look at what you predicted:

GaryPDX: I can't complain..my stead went up 22% in the last year. Real Estate is where it's at. And no..I don't believe it's a bubble. Look at the KELO decision..developers are going fast and furious all across the land... because...there's only so much dirt. It's turning into gold.

Yep..and everyone believed that too. I admit believing it for a while.

I love liberals. You disagree with them and attack you personally.

PascalsGhost: It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

Pretty big, compared to nothing. Pretty small, compared to CO2

Thrakkerzog: GoldSpider: To be fair, none of that is his fault...

What, his wife is a Succubus?

No...she prefers trains.

Joliet_Jake: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Joliet_Jake: Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Sometimes it seems like you try rationality, other times like this, it's like you are trolling or having a weird bi-polar attack.

Maybe you misunderstood my post. That study was tracking throughout the primary and general election season. Obama had more positive stories surrounding his repeated primary wins over Hillary Clinton during the spring, in addition to repeated polling throughout the entire general election campaign showing him ahead. Add to this the repeated negative stories surrounding the terrible rollout of Sarah Palin and there's really no competition. Granted, the Reverend Wright thing had some legs, but that was pretty much a 1 week story.

I can see your point, I misinterpreted your original post. We just have different opinions on which stories were and should have been reported on, for how long and why etc... I think the study was not on "positive stories", but general tone of coverage.

IXI Jim IXI: She's doing well, thanks. About 50 days to go, although they say 1st babies go a little over in general. She's enjoying it, but wants the baby out and healthy and wants those 50 days over soon, dammit! :D

And blame the antibiotic/birth control combo, not me! Of course, it's not like you'd know it's summer yet around here...

My first went 39 6/7ths weeks. The 2nd was 39 1/7th weeks. The last two weeks or so are pretty uncomfortable and my wife had a lot of trouble sleeping.

It's an amazing experience which will change your life forever. Just don't show up drunk. :-)

Chatham, Eastham and Harwich have much better antique stores.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Joliet_Jake: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Joliet_Jake: Not really. There just happened to be a lot more bad news for McCain. If you looked at the positive numbers in perspective to other sources of news, Fox News was still way off the reservation.

Sometimes it seems like you try rationality, other times like this, it's like you are trolling or having a weird bi-polar attack.

Maybe you misunderstood my post. That study was tracking throughout the primary and general election season. Obama had more positive stories surrounding his repeated primary wins over Hillary Clinton during the spring, in addition to repeated polling throughout the entire general election campaign showing him ahead. Add to this the repeated negative stories surrounding the terrible rollout of Sarah Palin and there's really no competition. Granted, the Reverend Wright thing had some legs, but that was pretty much a 1 week story.

I can see your point, I misinterpreted your original post. We just have different opinions on which stories were and should have been reported on, for how long and why etc... I think the study was not on "positive stories", but general tone of coverage.

Yeah, but it was measured based on the number of stories. Which, granted, is a retarded way to judge tone of coverage. And, just to cover my intellectual honesty bases, it's possible that Fox's reporting style is such that the nature of the negative Obama stories in comparison to the negative McCain stories threw their numbers off the median. I just think that's pretty unlikely.

Thrakkerzog: IXI Jim IXI: She's doing well, thanks. About 50 days to go, although they say 1st babies go a little over in general. She's enjoying it, but wants the baby out and healthy and wants those 50 days over soon, dammit! :D

And blame the antibiotic/birth control combo, not me! Of course, it's not like you'd know it's summer yet around here...

My first went 39 6/7ths weeks. The 2nd was 39 1/7th weeks. The last two weeks or so are pretty uncomfortable and my wife had a lot of trouble sleeping.

It's an amazing experience which will change your life forever. Just don't show up drunk. :-)

Where were you giving that advice 15 months ago when it woulda helped me?

Thrakkerzog: My first went 39 6/7ths weeks. The 2nd was 39 1/7th weeks. The last two weeks or so are pretty uncomfortable and my wife had a lot of trouble sleeping.

My wife's been having trouble sleeping for a good portion of the time. Alas, she thinks me hitting her with a tranquilizer dart will be bad for the baby.

Thrakkerzog: It's an amazing experience which will change your life forever. Just don't show up drunk. :-)

I plan on being painfully sober. I just need to find a place I can buy body armor.

GaryPDX: Yep..and everyone believed that too. I admit believing it for a while.

but I thought you knew the train wreck was under way since Clinton was in?

gustakooka: Where were you giving that advice 15 months ago when it woulda helped me?

I figure it's just common sense. When you suspect you're going to have to dodge punches, make sure your reflexes are in good working order.

IXI Jim IXI: Thrakkerzog: My first went 39 6/7ths weeks. The 2nd was 39 1/7th weeks. The last two weeks or so are pretty uncomfortable and my wife had a lot of trouble sleeping.

My wife's been having trouble sleeping for a good portion of the time. Alas, she thinks me hitting her with a tranquilizer dart will be bad for the baby.

Thrakkerzog: It's an amazing experience which will change your life forever. Just don't show up drunk. :-)

I plan on being painfully sober. I just need to find a place I can buy body armor.

Cups are cheap. :-)

Joliet_Jake
Yes. I'm clearly guilty of all those things. I post maybe 10 times a week in Fark comments, and it's never more than 2-3 sentences, with the occasional history or civics lesson for those who want to pretend to not understand something. But hey, don't defend yourself, just respond with a completely irrelevant list of imaginary positions!

If you can't take it, don't dish it out. You popped off with the generalizations, I can't help it if mine hit close to home. Particularly given your demonstration of point 5.

OMG BARNEY FRANK IS CTHULHU!!1!

Thrakkerzog: Cups are cheap. :-)

Yeah, but that hardly helps if she goes for my throat ;)

IXI Jim IXI: Thrakkerzog: Cups are cheap. :-)

Yeah, but that hardly helps if she goes for my throat ;)

Now I have a picture of you dressed up like a bee keeper (apiarist?) trying to console your wife. Get one of those smokers to keep her calm.

ghare: If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

I don't really care if he is a known troll and a liar. My opinion of our two big political parties is that neither one puts the interests of the country first. And if you are just putting every known troll or liar (or more likely anyone you disagree with) around here on ignore then you are missing most of the fun. Take that stick out of your butt and try to enjoy life a bit more.

ghare: If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

He's only a troll to assholes who disagree with him. First rule of liberals. Don't debate. Disregard anyone that disagrees with you despite facts. He has a point of view and says what he thinks. Where's the troll in that? You're the troll, troll.

ghare: absoluteparanoia: ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

I agree, there needs to be a way to ignore comments that quote his stupid ass. You'd have better luck having a rational conversation with my dog (she is a very smart dog, I admit).

I have been wondering if there is a site pretty much like Fark, but with a threaded forum system so when you ignore a troll any pointless bickering they generate disappears as well.

Tavernknight: ghare: If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

I don't really care if he is a known troll and a liar. My opinion of our two big political parties is that neither one puts the interests of the country first. And if you are just putting every known troll or liar (or more likely anyone you disagree with) around here on ignore then you are missing most of the fun. Take that stick out of your butt and try to enjoy life a bit more.

Welcome to his ignore list....I'll pass you a beer!

Tavernknight: Take that stick out of your butt and try to enjoy life a bit more.

Well, this is a Barney Frank thread.

ghare: occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Sounds like a really smart move on the government's part, eh? Not that Bush intended it to be.

So let me get this straight.

We took almost a trillion dollars that we didn't have, gave it to distressed banks that did nothing with it other than pay interest on it, the government now wants to use the interest from the nonexistent money that did absolutely nothing to pay for projects we don't need.

How was this a bright idea again?

Thrakkerzog: Now I have a picture of you dressed up like a bee keeper (apiarist?) trying to console your wife. Get one of those smokers to keep her calm.

I'm not even going to mention this to her. I don't feel like waking up in the middle of the night just to see her shaking one of the cats and throwing it at me.

IXI Jim IXI: Thrakkerzog: Cups are cheap. :-)

Yeah, but that hardly helps if she goes for my throat ;)

Hockey gear. The doc thought I'd lost my mind, but my throat is still in tact.

what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

This.

Then again maybe there's some progress in the world when dumbf*cks are making easy and unfunny gay jokes instead of easy and unfunny Jewish jokes.

rohar: ghare: occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Sounds like a really smart move on the government's part, eh? Not that Bush intended it to be.

So let me get this straight.

We took almost a trillion dollars that we didn't have, gave it to distressed banks that did nothing with it other than pay interest on it, the government now wants to use the interest from the nonexistent money that did absolutely nothing to pay for projects we don't need.

How was this a bright idea again?

The point of TARP was to keep the credit markets from completely freezing up by providing an excess of capital. It worked perfectly, so yeah, I'd say it was a good idea.

I hate the way the word profit is used here. Maybe in an accounting sense it is profitable, but I seriously doubt in any economic one. Completely ignores any opportunity cost. If it costs you 7% to borrow and yout make 4% profit, you actually have lost money. But on the books it might look you've made money.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Tavernknight: ghare: If you believe anything GaryPDX, a known troll and liar, says, well, welcome to ignore as well. I have limited time to goof off on Fark, I don't need to waste even the 10th of a second it takes to notice your name and skip to the nex comment.

I don't really care if he is a known troll and a liar. My opinion of our two big political parties is that neither one puts the interests of the country first. And if you are just putting every known troll or liar (or more likely anyone you disagree with) around here on ignore then you are missing most of the fun. Take that stick out of your butt and try to enjoy life a bit more.

Welcome to his ignore list....I'll pass you a beer!

Sweet! Its like a club for fun people! Ghare's ignore list: a club for having fun drinking beer and trolling assholes.

I have been wondering if there is a site pretty much like Fark, but with a threaded forum system so when you ignore a troll any pointless bickering they generate disappears as well.

Sure. Digg.com. It's where the people go who can't handle Fark.com.

My personal fave, though is Space Ghetto. But it has no political relevance. It's a pussy-based website like most others.

rohar: Hockey gear. The doc thought I'd lost my mind, but my throat is still in tact.

I was thinking goalie gear would be pretty much in line with what I need.

Plus, I could use the glove to catch the baby.

IXI Jim IXI: rohar: Hockey gear. The doc thought I'd lost my mind, but my throat is still in tact.

I was thinking goalie gear would be pretty much in line with what I need.

Plus, I could use the glove to catch the baby.

You see, now you're thinking! And the pads are thick enough no one will ever notice the flask.

xria: ghare: absoluteparanoia: ghare: He's an admitted troll who doesn't believe one thing he says. IGNORE BUTTON.

He's already ignored. But I can't read this thread without third of these idiots quoting him as if they're going to introduce rationality to the discussion.

TROLLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

I agree, there needs to be a way to ignore comments that quote his stupid ass. You'd have better luck having a rational conversation with my dog (she is a very smart dog, I admit).

I have been wondering if there is a site pretty much like Fark, but with a threaded forum system so when you ignore a troll any pointless bickering they generate disappears as well.

God, fark switching to a threaded system would be so weird.
I'd prefer it actually. Would be neat if it was optional though.

IXI Jim IXI: Plus, I could use the glove to catch the baby.

*opens photoshop*

GaryPDX: I love liberals. You disagree with them and attack you personally.

Gary, you're a douche for playing the victim card.

gustakooka: PascalsGhost: It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

Pretty big, compared to nothing. Pretty small, compared to CO2

Actually, the cap and trade system is exactly the same as the one in place for CO2 now if this passes. The scale really shouldn't matter much.

I understand though. It works, it doesn't support your WARGRBBL, so toss it out.

PascalsGhost: gustakooka: PascalsGhost: It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

Pretty big, compared to nothing. Pretty small, compared to CO2

Actually, the cap and trade system is exactly the same as the one in place for CO2 now if this passes. The scale really shouldn't matter much.

I understand though. It works, it doesn't support your WARGRBBL, so toss it out.

I'm honestly not sure either way. I'm pretty sure any number of markets are going to have to adjust. That might have been easier just after 1990 when money was flowing like water due to the bubble.

ayenull: IXI Jim IXI: Plus, I could use the glove to catch the baby.

*opens photoshop*

Maybe I'll just redo this one:

Hot diggity daffodil! At least subby didn't go through "Please", "Thanks", "Sorry", "Funderful", "Non-alcoholic", "Compassion", and "Shrimp-Toast" first.
/obscure?

IXI Jim IXI: ayenull: IXI Jim IXI: Plus, I could use the glove to catch the baby.

*opens photoshop*

Maybe I'll just redo this one:



/Q&D

IXI Jim IXI: And blame the antibiotic/birth control combo, not me! Of course, it's not like you'd know it's summer yet around here...

No shiat, huh? Jesus.

rohar: PascalsGhost: gustakooka: PascalsGhost: It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

1990 Clean Air Act put in a pretty big Cap and Trade system for SO2, which has proven to work out fantastic.

Pretty big, compared to nothing. Pretty small, compared to CO2

Actually, the cap and trade system is exactly the same as the one in place for CO2 now if this passes. The scale really shouldn't matter much.

I understand though. It works, it doesn't support your WARGRBBL, so toss it out.

I'm honestly not sure either way.

I understand. I'm just pointing out it has occurred before and it has worked well. To disregard that is simply denial.

I'm pretty sure any number of markets are going to have to adjust. That might have been easier just after 1990 when money was flowing like water due to the bubble.

Until 94 or so the money wasn't flowing at all.

ayenull: /Q&D

Slap shot, indeed...

rohar: So let me get this straight.

We took almost a trillion dollars that we didn't have, gave it to distressed banks that did nothing with it other than pay interest on it, the government now wants to use the interest from the nonexistent money that did absolutely nothing to pay for projects we don't need.

How was this a bright idea again?

1. Many banks did quite a lot of good things with TARP funds. Wells Fargo bought Wachovia with the funds, for example.

2. Even on those banks that didn't spend the funds, they count towards their reserve requirements, meaning they can lend more of their other money out.

3. Many of the banks that took TARP funds couldn't have met reserve requirements otherwise. Without TARP, the FDIC would have had to take action against the banks.

4. Bank failures undermine confidence in the banking industry, which could lead to runs on banks and cause further failures.

IXI Jim IXI: ayenull: /Q&D

Slap shot, indeed...

Snapped the umbilical cord too.

Speaking of which, they are a little tougher to cut than I had imagined. Either that, or they gave me dull scissors. With my 2nd, blood splattered everywhere when I cut it. One of the first views of my 2nd baby girl is that with a blood splattered face.

Enjoy!

GaryPDX: The Separation of Corporation and State is as important as the Separation of Church and State. For exactly the same reasons.

Are you seriously too farking dense to realize that the corporation is only made possible through the state? Without the protections provided by the state through incorporating there would not be a single corporation. You know I listen to wingnut radio now and then and wonder to myself, "who would be stupid enough to believe this shiat."

Anyone with an IQ over 80 can understand how illogical most of the things these entertainers say are. Then I come to Fark and read your post (and Thune and Thunderpipes and Shryke) and I realize that there really are people that are this farking stupid. No wonder you guys believe int "free market" micoreconomic theory regardless of what happens on a macrolevel. You don't have the ability to comprehend the bigger picture.

Sum Dum Gai: rohar: So let me get this straight.

We took almost a trillion dollars that we didn't have, gave it to distressed banks that did nothing with it other than pay interest on it, the government now wants to use the interest from the nonexistent money that did absolutely nothing to pay for projects we don't need.

How was this a bright idea again?

1. Many banks did quite a lot of good things with TARP funds. Wells Fargo bought Wachovia with the funds, for example.

2. Even on those banks that didn't spend the funds, they count towards their reserve requirements, meaning they can lend more of their other money out.

3. Many of the banks that took TARP funds couldn't have met reserve requirements otherwise. Without TARP, the FDIC would have had to take action against the banks.

4. Bank failures undermine confidence in the banking industry, which could lead to runs on banks and cause further failures.

Will you please stop with the facts already?

Thrakkerzog: Speaking of which, they are a little tougher to cut than I had imagined. Either that, or they gave me dull scissors. With my 2nd, blood splattered everywhere when I cut it. One of the first views of my 2nd baby girl is that with a blood splattered face.

I'd so take that picture and show it to prospective boyfriends.

IXI Jim IXI: I'd so take that picture and show it to prospective boyfriends.

No picture, wife's rules. Not until after they wipe the crud off the kid. I actually forgot the camera with the 2nd kid because we had to leave in such a hurry.

I could always do what my uncle did. He would clean his guns every time one of his daughters came home with someone he didn't care for.

I'd have to get some guns first though. Besides the ones attached to my body, of course. ;-)

gustakooka: It's never been tried on this scale, or anything close to it. Right?

We actually have two cap and trade systems in the United States today. They have been successful. TMYK.

Thrakkerzog: I could always do what my uncle did. He would clean his guns every time one of his daughters came home with someone he didn't care for.

I'd have to get some guns first though. Besides the ones attached to my body, of course. ;-)

This plan works even better if you are wearing your wife's teddy while you clean the guns. Smoke a pipe too if you are a smoker.

Sum Dum Gai: rohar: So let me get this straight.

We took almost a trillion dollars that we didn't have, gave it to distressed banks that did nothing with it other than pay interest on it, the government now wants to use the interest from the nonexistent money that did absolutely nothing to pay for projects we don't need.

How was this a bright idea again?

1. Many banks did quite a lot of good things with TARP funds. Wells Fargo bought Wachovia with the funds, for example.

2. Even on those banks that didn't spend the funds, they count towards their reserve requirements, meaning they can lend more of their other money out.

3. Many of the banks that took TARP funds couldn't have met reserve requirements otherwise. Without TARP, the FDIC would have had to take action against the banks.

4. Bank failures undermine confidence in the banking industry, which could lead to runs on banks and cause further failures.

Yep, and had 100% of the TARP monies been used for that purpose I think it's very likely over the long term the gov't (and taxpayers) would have made a little money on it. Where it went astray was dipping into the TARP fund for sh*t like GM and Chrysler after congress specifically refused to act on those two issues directly (and rightly so).

MrGumboPants: Gary, you're a douche for playing the victim card.

Says the first person that would play the race card if he were a Tuna.

sepuku2: MrGumboPants: Gary, you're a douche for playing the victim card.

Says the first person that would play the race card if he were a Tuna.

and whhhhhoooooooosh goes the joke...

Dr.Knockboots: Anyone outside of the area gonna get the P-Town reference?

My wife, in her early years, lived with her Uncle Jack and Aunt Frank up there. (Not obscure, it was really their names.)

I heard a few stories.

Different strokes/different folks.

/from Pittsburgh

occrider: I work for one of the banks that repaid tarp so I'm getting a kick and so and so ...

No seriously, the tarp money essentially sat in a holding account and did absolutely nothing because everyone was scared shiatless of having to account for how it was spent (god forbid some portion of it were used for standard BAU operations and the public would focus on some insignificant amount used on perceived waste resulting in a PR nightmare). Meanwhile, the government made out like a bandit on ridiculous dividend payments and warrants.

Well, at least the banks now know what it is like to be farked up the ass. Maybe they will remember that feeling in the future and not do such monumentally stupid things as they have in the past.

Several people have commented about Republicans unwillingness to take credit for SO2 cap and trade. I find it even funnier that they would be willing to admit that TARP is working if it means they can get a cheap shot in on Barney Frank. I don't think they have thought their plan through all the way.

IXI Jim IXI: Thrakkerzog: My first went 39 6/7ths weeks. The 2nd was 39 1/7th weeks. The last two weeks or so are pretty uncomfortable and my wife had a lot of trouble sleeping.

My wife's been having trouble sleeping for a good portion of the time. Alas, she thinks me hitting her with a tranquilizer dart will be bad for the baby.

Thrakkerzog: It's an amazing experience which will change your life forever. Just don't show up drunk. :-)

I plan on being painfully sober. I just need to find a place I can buy body armor.

Get her one of those squish balls used for exercising fingers so she has something to squeeze instead of the nearest available dangly bits.

Trust me.

Wait, I thought every dime of TARP was spent on bonuses.

MFL: Wait, I thought every dime of TARP was spent on bonuses.

Ohhhh, late to the game and lame.

gustakooka: what_now: Oh...I get it. Because he's gay!! oh! Ha! He's Gay!!


ass.

Really. Please make fun of the way he talks, not his sexual orientation.

You sound butthurt.