crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

So, if it's such an inconsequential amount, then they can easily do without it, right? And what of the indirect aid that comes to roughly the same amount, also inconsequential?

I made the suggestion as a point to a question about what to do with Israel threatening to shiat where we eat. Not to save some money.

Israel does not shiat where the US eats. Yes, the money is inconsequential. What is important though is the US backing Israel.

Important to you maybe. Not to me. The U.S. isn't supposed to have client-states. Our founding fathers tried hard to Constitution-proof us against it, but they failed to take into account that Americans would someday become stupid enough to elect people who think the Constitution is "just a Goddamn piece of paper". I don't have tax money to dole out to modern, developed, wealthy nations that are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
You may not agree with that, but I'm an American citizen too, buddy - and my opinion counts for just as much as yours does.

Wolfmanjames: That could be what topples him.

Or unite the populace behind him. These are tribal rifts that go back to the Old Testament. Persians attacked by Jews? Not gonna fly with the opposition in Iran.

crimsin23: Saying that Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast

Who said that?

The Homer Tax: crimsin23: Saying that Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast

Who said that?

He just did.

H31N0US: rastjr: Surely we have some influence to stop them.

Maybe we could threaten to build pig farms in the Catskills?

/lame
//is all I got

True. Lame. But I chuckled.

Israel isn't doing shiat to Iran.

Bolton is trying to sink the united front our government has adopted regarding Israeli bullshiat

Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

The Homer Tax: Who said that?

Nobody, but some people are only capable of hearing either "I love Israel" or "Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast". Rational discussion need not be attempted. Move on.

crimsin23: fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

I am talking about how the mere mention of funds being cut off (regardless of how much money is actually is) from Israel would cause a shiatstorm of whining. Whining tends to be high-pitched and annoying.

And I could care less about that weak "anti-semite" garbage. It is overplayed here on Fark. It's like Godwinning a thread at this point.
/Good day, sir.

So now you are inventing your own Godwin? Hell if that's the case let everyone do that.

People don't care about how much money the US gives Israel, they care that the strongest country in the world has Israel's back.

They would whine if that support was removed. Crying that the US wants Israel to fail, labeling us all Anti-Semites. You know, like how quickly you dragged that tired shiat out.

And I said it's LIKE Godwinning a thread. I am not inventing anything, you illiterate moron.

Saying that Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast is also played out and is also like Godwinning a thread. See how that works, you moron?

No, I don't see how that works, ass. Especially when I NEVER SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT.

crimsin23: Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

Exactly, it is a US problem. That's why it's in our interest to make sure it doesn't happen. And it won't if we tell them their on their own if they open up this pandora's box by attacking Iran.

/Funny that Israel's problems are our problems, but not vice-versa. Strange friendship, that.

The Homer Tax: crimsin23: Saying that Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast

Who said that?



Who the fark said that? Who's the slimy little communist shiat, twinkle-toed cocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy farking godmother said it. Out-farking-standing! I will PT you all until you farking die! I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk!

crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

No, that's a global problem. I can't see how instigating a global energy crisis is helpful to Israel.

jso2897: crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

So, if it's such an inconsequential amount, then they can easily do without it, right? And what of the indirect aid that comes to roughly the same amount, also inconsequential?

I made the suggestion as a point to a question about what to do with Israel threatening to shiat where we eat. Not to save some money.

Israel does not shiat where the US eats. Yes, the money is inconsequential. What is important though is the US backing Israel.

Important to you maybe. Not to me. The U.S. isn't supposed to have client-states. Our founding fathers tried hard to Constitution-proof us against it, but they failed to take into account that Americans would someday become stupid enough to elect people who think the Constitution is "just a Goddamn piece of paper". I don't have tax money to dole out to modern, developed, wealthy nations that are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
You may not agree with that, but I'm an American citizen too, buddy - and my opinion counts for just as much as yours does.

I absolutely respect your opinion. But you have to realize that now we live in a much smaller world than did out forefathers. This makes it important to have friends around the world. Although the Us might be high and mighty, we can't survive on our own.

Skinkadink: If we were a nation of laws and justice, that asshole would be swinging from a rope by now.

/As would Wolfowitz

What laws did he break that warrant the death penalty?

Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

Exactly, it is a US problem. That's why it's in our interest to make sure it doesn't happen. And it won't if we tell them their on their own if they open up this pandora's box by attacking Iran.

/Funny that Israel's problems are our problems, but not vice-versa. Strange friendship, that.

This. America shouldn't have client-states at all, let alone client-states that tell us to go fark ourselves when we make policy suggestions. That's not how the client-sponsor relationship works.

I don't understand why people hate on the jews, because of where the UN put them.

I don't see any UN buildings being hit with rockets.

Israel can STFU.

HotWingConspiracy: crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

No, that's a global problem. I can't see how instigating a global energy crisis is helpful to Israel.

Global? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Diogenes: dryknife: Personally, I celebrate the man's entire catalog.

♩♫♩ When Iraaaaan loves John Bolton.... ♩♫♩

Goddamn it. That was an especially bad time for me to be guffawing like a jackass in my office. Very, very bad timing.

/now in boss-alert mode

The palindrome of Bolton is Notlob.

/Ipswich

Thunderpipes: Israel should kick the fark out of Iran, now.

Good luck with that. Look at a map.

H31N0US: Persians attacked by Jews?

Fun fact: There are over 25,000 Jews in Iran, the largest number in the middle east besides Israel.

vernonFL: H31N0US: Persians attacked by Jews?

Fun fact: There are over 25,000 Jews in Iran, the largest number in the middle east besides Israel.

Cool when they finish we can call it Israel 2.

Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

Exactly, it is a US problem. That's why it's in our interest to make sure it doesn't happen. And it won't if we tell them their on their own if they open up this pandora's box by attacking Iran.

/Funny that Israel's problems are our problems, but not vice-versa. Strange friendship, that.

You think that the US isn't using Israel? They both use each other. And when it comes to problems, the US will always get the lions share because it is the srongest and wealthiest country in the world.

SherKhan: His incalculable idiocy can only be contained in a Right Wing think tank.

Nice!

edmo:
The low odds of success for a military strike have not improved over the months and years.

Wanting to do it and pulling it off are very different.

So true. We had Mark Helprin give a lecture about the imminent threat that Iran posed to the rest of the world, and how the US and Israel should tag-team Iran with tactical nukes before AhmadiNejad beat us to the punch. His qualifications? He served in the IDF at some point in the last 20 years. A professor of mine and I tore him apart during the Q and A. He didn't even know that Iran's president doesn't control Iran's military. He ended the lecture with a subtle ad hominem attack against everyone who disagreed with him.

/Not a pacifist, just don't like unnecessary killing.

Thunderpipes: H31N0US: I need someone to explain to me how Israel starting WW3 is a favorable alternative to Iran having the potential to start WW3.

Clue me in.

Because Iran is not capable of WW3, asshat. Israel would kick the snot out of them, problem solved. They are not pussies like you Farkers. France tried to build Saddam a nuclear reactor, Israel said no, not yours, leveled it in one strike. That is what Israel does. They have to, because Jew haters like Farkers won't leave them alone.

Oh shiat that's rich! Are you an algorithm? I swear to god you're a random "Dumbest Thing You Could Say At This Moment" generator.

Thunderpants, it's you who is the pussy. You have no courage and you are frightened. Just like your boy, Bolton.

crimsin23: jso2897: crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

So, if it's such an inconsequential amount, then they can easily do without it, right? And what of the indirect aid that comes to roughly the same amount, also inconsequential?

I made the suggestion as a point to a question about what to do with Israel threatening to shiat where we eat. Not to save some money.

Israel does not shiat where the US eats. Yes, the money is inconsequential. What is important though is the US backing Israel.

Important to you maybe. Not to me. The U.S. isn't supposed to have client-states. Our founding fathers tried hard to Constitution-proof us against it, but they failed to take into account that Americans would someday become stupid enough to elect people who think the Constitution is "just a Goddamn piece of paper". I don't have tax money to dole out to modern, developed, wealthy nations that are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
You may not agree with that, but I'm an American citizen too, buddy - and my opinion counts for just as much as yours does.

I absolutely respect your opinion. But you have to realize that now we live in a much smaller world than did out forefathers. This makes it important to have friends around the world. Although the Us might be high and mighty, we can't survive on our own.

Friends, we need. Client states, we don't. And endlessly repeated cold-war vagaries do not constitute arguments in favor thereof. I have no beef with Israel as such. they have as much right to exist and prosper as any other nation. But their goals are not America's , and their interests are not America's. We can have a friendly, mutually respectful relationship with another nation without putting them on our international welfare tab. And someone whose "friendship" is conditional upon our unqualified military and economic support is no friend, in my opinion. I've had a couple of "friends" like that in my life, and now I know better.
We have no direct or immediate interests in that part of the world, other than those we have brought upon ourselves by needless meddling in the affairs of savages - and while many try to convince me that we do, it's always in vague and lofty generalities - never actual, nuts & bolts specifics - and I have come to suspect that that's because there aren't any.

crimsin23: HotWingConspiracy: crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

No, that's a global problem. I can't see how instigating a global energy crisis is helpful to Israel.

Global? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

If the "oil stops flowing from the ME", it most certainly will be a global crisis.

Israel isn't doing shiat to Iran.

crimsin23: You think that the US isn't using Israel?

Using Israel for what?

jso2897:
We have no direct or immediate interests in that part of the world, other than those we have brought upon ourselves by needless meddling in the affairs of savages

Wait, I got lost. Did you mean Republicans or Democrats???

John Bolton left the fancy Georgetown restaurant. As he rounded the corner into the parking lot, three men wearing ski masks grabbed him, threw him roughly into the back of a delivery van, and slammed the door shut.

The tallest of the masked men drew a small leather case from inside his jacket, while the other two assailants duct-taped Boltion's hands and feet to a plastic chair. Bolton furiously growled, "You bastards won't get away with this! You'll spend the rest of your lives in a Federal prison! I'll have my Air Force friends conduct an air strike against your houses! I'll..." But then he went silent and his eyes grew big and round and full of fear as the tall man opened the case and drew out a gleaming straight razor. He said, "Mr. Bolton, I really think you should stop talking and moving around. This razor is as sharp as a surgeon's scalpel."

As the other two kidnappers held Bolton's head in a tight grip, the tall kidnapper moved the straight razor closer and closer to his face. Suddenly, with a swift motion, he shaved off Bolton's "mustache." Bolton's eyes rolled back in his head and he fainted. But instead of just falling to the floor and lying there, the "mustache" let out a high-pitched shriek and attempted to wriggle away. One of the other agents let go of Bolton's head, grabbed a chloroform-soaked rag, seized the "mustache," and sealed it in a glass jar full of formaldehyde.

Bolton began to shake his head and talk. At first his voice was so low and quiet he could barely be heard. "Thank God," said Bolton, "oh, thank God you fellows freed me from that, that horrible thing."

The tall man asked, "What in Hell was it?"

Bolton said, "It was a parasitical space alien from a cold, hostile outer planet! It controlled my mind with some kind of telepathic link. It made me do terrible things! I couldn't help myself!"

"What did it want?"

"It, they, wanted a warm planet, where their race could thrive. But they knew that we humans would not allow them to reshape our planet to their needs. We'd fight them off. So they resorted to trickery. By attaching themselves to certain humans and forcing them to foment irrational, self-destructive intra-species violence, they hoped we humans would wipe ourselves out, and then they could move in and take over our planet."

"Diabolical! Are you the only human whom these aliens possessed?"

"Far from it! They particularly sought to attach themselves to policemen, who can walk around openly carrying weapons. They also control the ruling council of Iran, and the leadership of Al Qaida. But the supreme commander of their international expeditionary force calls himself 'Geraldo'."

rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

Well, seeing as how they buy about half of their advanced weapons from us, especially airplanes, we could just threaten to cut off that gravy train. They need our weapons pretty badly, after all. The IAF wouldn't get far without its F-16s and F-15s carrying Lockheed Martin's fine munitions.

Spanky_McFarksalot: "With Iran's hard-line mullahs and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps unmistakably back in control..."

Really? Fark threads with updates, military style badges and green bands around a "k" didn't cause the revolution to succeed? I'm so shocked.

Things would have been different if only people had followed the posting rules instead of just posting all willy-nilly all over the place.

NCg8r: jso2897:
We have no direct or immediate interests in that part of the world, other than those we have brought upon ourselves by needless meddling in the affairs of savages

Wait, I got lost. Did you mean Republicans or Democrats???

Lol. :D

last line from tfa:

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

let 'em have their nuclear bombs. they'll probably only bomb israel. and iraq. probably pakistan and india.

maybe they won't bomb us.

wkiernan: Shades of Heinlein

Hell yeah.

HMS_Blinkin: rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

Well, seeing as how they buy about half of their advanced weapons from us, especially airplanes, we could just threaten to cut off that gravy train. They need our weapons pretty badly, after all. The IAF wouldn't get far without its F-16s and F-15s carrying Lockheed Martin's fine munitions.

That'd negatively affect our economy, as it would effect their air force. Don't let the democrats fool you, they want that cash too.

HMS_Blinkin: rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

Well, seeing as how they buy about half of their advanced weapons from us, especially airplanes, we could just threaten to cut off that gravy train. They need our weapons pretty badly, after all. The IAF wouldn't get far without its F-16s and F-15s carrying Lockheed Martin's fine munitions.

That's a good idea. I suppose after all these years they should be able to defend themselves by know.

I support democracy but the training wheels have to come off sometime.

colon_pow: last line from tfa:

Otherwise, be prepared for an Iran with nuclear weapons, which some, including Obama advisers, believe could be contained and deterred. That is not a hypothesis we should seek to test in the real world. The cost of error could be fatal.

let 'em have their nuclear bombs. they'll probably only bomb israel. and iraq. probably pakistan and india.

maybe they won't bomb us.

After the Israelis dump the contents of those two subs onto their heads, they won't be bombing anybody else again. Ever.

Open diamond stores? Make Humus?

SherKhan: He's the Hulk of idiots. The louder John gets, the wronger John gets. His incalculable idiocy can only be contained in a Right Wing think tank.

I'm stealing that one...i cannot wait to use it at a party.

You are gonna get me laid because some chick is gonna think I'm clever.

Thanks!

/not really...once i use that line it will be all downhill from there

crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

A US problem? Then clearly the solution would be for the US to launch a massive preemptive strike against Israel BEFORE it has the chance to strike Iran and threaten our oil supply.

You're a genius.

To Subby:

John Bolton is nuttier than a squirrel's scrotum.

crimsin23: Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

Well, the US can't worry about everybody, either. Something to keep in mind next time Israel wants a blank check, regardless of the consequences for us.

sn0r: Even though I think that "The 'Stache" is a power mad and clearly idiotic neocon warmonger, I hope that if Ahmadinejad gets into power (against all popular opinion in Iran (new window)), snubs EU advances (as he's done already (new window)) and continues Iran on the path to hell it's currently hurtling down that Israel takes a pair of bunker busters and wipes out all of Iran's nuclear ambitions in a giant explosion. A North Korean like state somewhere in the Middle East is the last thing that region needs.

There's no faster way to unite all of Iran behind Achmadi and the Ayatollahs than a actual military strike against what is seen as the country's best shot at an international bargaining chip.

Starve the beast, don't feed it!

crimsin23: Then that's a US problem. Israel can't worry about everyone, nor should they.

Wait a minute, didn't you say

"Israel does not shiat where the US eats"

Fool.

wkiernan: John Bolton left the fancy Georgetown restaurant. As he rounded the corner into the parking lot, three men wearing ski masks grabbed him, threw him roughly into the back of a delivery van, and slammed the door shut.

The tallest of the masked men drew a small leather case from inside his jacket, while the other two assailants duct-taped Boltion's hands and feet to a plastic chair. Bolton furiously growled, "You bastards won't get away with this! You'll spend the rest of your lives in a Federal prison! I'll have my Air Force friends conduct an air strike against your houses! I'll..." But then he went silent and his eyes grew big and round and full of fear as the tall man opened the case and drew out a gleaming straight razor. He said, "Mr. Bolton, I really think you should stop talking and moving around. This razor is as sharp as a surgeon's scalpel."

As the other two kidnappers held Bolton's head in a tight grip, the tall kidnapper moved the straight razor closer and closer to his face. Suddenly, with a swift motion, he shaved off Bolton's "mustache." Bolton's eyes rolled back in his head and he fainted. But instead of just falling to the floor and lying there, the "mustache" let out a high-pitched shriek and attempted to wriggle away. One of the other agents let go of Bolton's head, grabbed a chloroform-soaked rag, seized the "mustache," and sealed it in a glass jar full of formaldehyde.

Bolton began to shake his head and talk. At first his voice was so low and quiet he could barely be heard. "Thank God," said Bolton, "oh, thank God you fellows freed me from that, that horrible thing."

The tall man asked, "What in Hell was it?"

Bolton said, "It was a parasitical space alien from a cold, hostile outer planet! It controlled my mind with some kind of telepathic link. It made me do terrible things! I couldn't help myself!"

"What did it want?"

"It, they, wanted a warm planet, where their race could thrive. But they knew that we humans would not allow them to reshape our planet to their needs. We'd fight them off. So they resorted to trickery. By attaching themselves to certain humans and forcing them to foment irrational, self-destructive intra-species violence, they hoped we humans would wipe ourselves out, and then they could move in and take over our planet."

"Diabolical! Are you the only human whom these aliens possessed?"

"Far from it! They particularly sought to attach themselves to policemen, who can walk around openly carrying weapons. They also control the ruling council of Iran, and the leadership of Al Qaida. But the supreme commander of their international expeditionary force calls himself 'Geraldo'."

ROFL! Thank you for that.