shower_in_my_socks: The Revolution in 1979 took a year. To give up now and beat the war drums... seriously, go FARK YOURSELF you warmongering neocon biatch.

What a farking embarrassment that this knuckle-dragging monster was our ambassador to the UN.

THIS

Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Do you see anything politically that would make that possible ? The Administration hasn't been gun-ho -- but they haven't been hostile either.

Speaking out against Israel is the third rail -- however I, personally, don't know anyone who's hard up for the country the way our politicians are -- and I do know more than a few people of several political persuasions that think they're more trouble than they're worth.

I'd like to think people wouldn't put up with this nonsense anymore if Israel started another war -- but then, we may rally around the 51st state. I just don't know.

Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

As John Bolton only understands one course of action, I'm afraid we have no option but to call an airstrike on John Bolton. If it is the taste of blood he longs for, let him taste his own.

/Dibs on "shotgun" in the Strike Eagle dispatched to take out this farking cocksucker

Mentat: He wrote basically the same op ed in the WSJ on the day of the election. The guy has a serious bloodlust.


And he PREDICTED back in 2008 that Israel would bomb Iran before Bush's term was over. It must have been heartbreaking for him when Israel didn't bomb the #!@$ out of the brown people. He had the lube all ready and the channel set to CNN for the night-video explosions...

Headso:

derogatory jew references

I'm working on an epically offensive one which I will debut when only when it's done. Tat's will hate me for days before he forgives me due to it's brilliance.

Thunderpipes: H31N0US: I need someone to explain to me how Israel starting WW3 is a favorable alternative to Iran having the potential to start WW3.

Clue me in.

Because Iran is not capable of WW3, asshat. Israel would kick the snot out of them, problem solved. They are not pussies like you Farkers. France tried to build Saddam a nuclear reactor, Israel said no, not yours, leveled it in one strike. That is what Israel does. They have to, because Jew haters like Farkers won't leave them alone.

I doubt WW3 is going to be started by something as in-your-face as this Israel/Iran bullshiat. It will be something insignificant. Like a North Korean general assassinating a Kim Jong whatsit. Something small that snowballs into something unstoppable.

crimsin23: Sygerrik: rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

We don't. It's not our job. Israel has to solve its own problems. We SHOULD stop cutting them deals on weaponz. Also, we should start selling all that advanced hardware to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia-- spread the love around and make some ka-ching.

That's right, selling weapons to people that hate us is the right thing to do.

/Sarcasm off.

We already do it all the damn time. Reagan sold weapons to Iran. We sell weapons to Israel, whose leaders have a very thinly disguised contempt for us. And Saudi Arabia LOVES us; we prop up their entire economy. Selling weapons to the Arabs would level the playing field over there, which would possibly end some of the resentment directed towards us for being state sponsors of apartheid. It would also make us a great deal of money. And finally, it would be satisfying to see the biggest bullies in the world get some of their own back.

Speaking as a straight white Christian male radical right wing conservative... I don't mind cutting off money to Israel. Nothing against Israel, we just don't have the money -- period. We don't have it to give.

That said, if Israel, in their own best interests, wants to attack Iran's nucular facilities more power to them. Saves us the costs of doing so.

Cody

Thunderpipes: H31N0US: I need someone to explain to me how Israel starting WW3 is a favorable alternative to Iran having the potential to start WW3.

Clue me in.

Because Iran is not capable of WW3, asshat. Israel would kick the snot out of them, problem solved. They are not pussies like you Farkers. France tried to build Saddam a nuclear reactor, Israel said no, not yours, leveled it in one strike. That is what Israel does. They have to, because Jew haters like Farkers won't leave them alone.

You DO realize that there is a slight difference in how each of those facilities were/are protected, right? Right?

take more US money and divert arab anger toward us?

Thunderpipes: Israel would kick the snot out of them, problem solved.

Iran has strong allies in Russia and China. Either or both of them are quite capable of WW3. It won't take much, in the current economic situation, for nations to choose sides for an all out conflict. Google Franz Ferdinand...and skip past the entries for the sucky hipster band.

Evidently, the ability to perform a forward looking scenario analysis escapes you, asshat.

Personally, I celebrate the man's entire catalog.

fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

... which will not include an extra when and an incorrect "its".

Codyl: Speaking as a straight white Christian male radical right wing conservative... I don't mind cutting off money to Israel. Nothing against Israel, we just don't have the money -- period. We don't have it to give.

That said, if Israel, in their own best interests, wants to attack Iran's nucular facilities more power to them. Saves us the costs of doing so.

Cody



/wait. 'Nucular'? OUT, OUT, damned troll.

You have to admit, the man has a helluva 'stache.

that_other_internet: H31N0US: I need someone to explain to me how Israel starting WW3 is a favorable alternative to Iran having the potential to start WW3.

Clue me in.

How about the Rapture?

You should have gone with this version.

/Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's high

crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

First: that's a lot of money. Second: the true value of the aid we give to Israel isn't the money, it's the fact that we sell them proprietary military technology that we don't make available to anyone else, and when we sell them weapons we do it cheaper than for any of our allies. Third, that ridiculous strawman that anyone who opposes Israel's blatant asshattery is an anti-Semite is idiotic and tired. Shut up. Shut up and go away, you mewling wretch.

Not to mention-- many Israeli Jews are of European extraction, while the Palestinians are a Semitic people. So who's the anti-Semite now?

an act by Israel would turn the whole region into a "everyone vs. Israel" type conflict. The U.S. is probably the only country with the military might and detterent to pull it off. It would be counter to everything Obama has promised though which makes a strike unlikely.

My guess is Obama will try to stall and buy time in order to punt to the next administration.

crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

I am talking about how the mere mention of funds being cut off (regardless of how much money is actually is) from Israel would cause a shiatstorm of whining. Whining tends to be high-pitched and annoying.

And I could care less about that weak "anti-semite" garbage. It is overplayed here on Fark. It's like Godwinning a thread at this point.
/Good day, sir.

Sygerrik: crimsin23: Sygerrik: rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

We don't. It's not our job. Israel has to solve its own problems. We SHOULD stop cutting them deals on weaponz. Also, we should start selling all that advanced hardware to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia-- spread the love around and make some ka-ching.

That's right, selling weapons to people that hate us is the right thing to do.

/Sarcasm off.

We already do it all the damn time. Reagan sold weapons to Iran. We sell weapons to Israel, whose leaders have a very thinly disguised contempt for us. And Saudi Arabia LOVES us; we prop up their entire economy. Selling weapons to the Arabs would level the playing field over there, which would possibly end some of the resentment directed towards us for being state sponsors of apartheid. It would also make us a great deal of money. And finally, it would be satisfying to see the biggest bullies in the world get some of their own back.

Since when is Israel the 'biggest bullies in the world'? And you think that the US selling weapons to Arab countries will make them stop hating US? Wow are you ignorant.

crimsin23: Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

So, if it's such an inconsequential amount, then they can easily do without it, right? And what of the indirect aid that comes to roughly the same amount, also inconsequential?

I made the suggestion as a point to a question about what to do with Israel threatening to shiat where we eat. Not to save some money.

Screw 'im. I've hated that S.O.B. ever since he butchered "When a Man Loves a Woman".

dryknife: Personally, I celebrate the man's entire catalog.

♩♫♩ When Iraaaaan loves John Bolton.... ♩♫♩

Is the Washington Post owned by warmongering Zionists now? They should be embarassed and ashamed for having printed this idiocy from Bolton.

Which is what, flim flam the Iranian populace with their media outlets?

Scream about being the victim while slaughtering civilians walled up in a ghetto?

fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

I am talking about how the mere mention of funds being cut off (regardless of how much money is actually is) from Israel would cause a shiatstorm of whining. Whining tends to be high-pitched and annoying.

And I could care less about that weak "anti-semite" garbage. It is overplayed here on Fark. It's like Godwinning a thread at this point.
/Good day, sir.

So now you are inventing your own Godwin? Hell if that's the case let everyone do that.

People don't care about how much money the US gives Israel, they care that the strongest country in the world has Israel's back.

Isreal will strike when the time is right, they have the best intellegence service in the world. Right about the time when Iran has a kilo of Ur-235, BOOM goes the dynamite; no more power plant.

crimsin23: Sygerrik: crimsin23: Sygerrik: rastjr: Seriously, how do we stop our government from allowing Israel to do this? Not anti-Israel, just anti-war.

We don't. It's not our job. Israel has to solve its own problems. We SHOULD stop cutting them deals on weaponz. Also, we should start selling all that advanced hardware to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Saudi Arabia-- spread the love around and make some ka-ching.

That's right, selling weapons to people that hate us is the right thing to do.

/Sarcasm off.

We already do it all the damn time. Reagan sold weapons to Iran. We sell weapons to Israel, whose leaders have a very thinly disguised contempt for us. And Saudi Arabia LOVES us; we prop up their entire economy. Selling weapons to the Arabs would level the playing field over there, which would possibly end some of the resentment directed towards us for being state sponsors of apartheid. It would also make us a great deal of money. And finally, it would be satisfying to see the biggest bullies in the world get some of their own back.

Since when is Israel the 'biggest bullies in the world'? And you think that the US selling weapons to Arab countries will make them stop hating US? Wow are you ignorant.

Since they are one of the few countries left in the world that threatens even their allies when they don't knuckle under their every demand; they spy on their allies (Freedom for Jonathan Pollard!); they keep a significant portion of their populace in abject poverty and apartheid for having the misfortune to be born Arab.

And the Arab countries don't "hate us." You're probably one of those idiots who thinks "they hate us for our freedoms." A great many people hate us for our unilateral support of Israel's 14th century policies, and many more idolize us as the symbol of freedom to the world. Showing that we respect their right to defend themselves against a hostile nation with no respect for international law would be an important first step to winning the hearts and minds of our opponents. No, I don't think it's an immediate panacea, but I don't believe in simple solutions to complex problems. I'm not a Republican.

Apik0r0s: Which is what, flim flam the Iranian populace with their media outlets?

Scream about being the victim while slaughtering civilians walled up in a ghetto?

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Even though I think that "The 'Stache" is a power mad and clearly idiotic neocon warmonger, I hope that if Ahmadinejad gets into power (against all popular opinion in Iran (new window)), snubs EU advances (as he's done already (new window)) and continues Iran on the path to hell it's currently hurtling down that Israel takes a pair of bunker busters and wipes out all of Iran's nuclear ambitions in a giant explosion. A North Korean like state somewhere in the Middle East is the last thing that region needs.

fenrael23: Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable

That it would.

DarnoKonrad: Do you see anything politically that would make that possible ?

No, not at the moment. Dragging us into a hot conflict that would crash what remains of the global economy would change that though.

crimsin23: fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

I am talking about how the mere mention of funds being cut off (regardless of how much money is actually is) from Israel would cause a shiatstorm of whining. Whining tends to be high-pitched and annoying.

And I could care less about that weak "anti-semite" garbage. It is overplayed here on Fark. It's like Godwinning a thread at this point.
/Good day, sir.

So now you are inventing your own Godwin? Hell if that's the case let everyone do that.

People don't care about how much money the US gives Israel, they care that the strongest country in the world has Israel's back.

They would whine if that support was removed. Crying that the US wants Israel to fail, labeling us all Anti-Semites. You know, like how quickly you dragged that tired shiat out.

And I said it's LIKE Godwinning a thread. I am not inventing anything, you illiterate moron.

Karma Curmudgeon: crimsin23: Yup, the 3 billion they get annualy from us is sooo much money. Any more bright ideas?

So, if it's such an inconsequential amount, then they can easily do without it, right? And what of the indirect aid that comes to roughly the same amount, also inconsequential?

I made the suggestion as a point to a question about what to do with Israel threatening to shiat where we eat. Not to save some money.

Israel does not shiat where the US eats. Yes, the money is inconsequential. What is important though is the US backing Israel.

memphomaniac: Is the Washington Post owned by warmongering Zionists now? They should be embarassed and ashamed for having printed this idiocy from Bolton.

Damn straight. Non-approved views need to be suppressed.

The Thought Council shall here of this.

Of course we don't have carte blanche power to stop the attack but Israel would not exist if it weren't for us. Surely we have some influence to stop them.

chasd00: an act by Israel would turn the whole region into a "everyone vs. Israel" type conflict. The U.S. is probably the only country with the military might and detterent to pull it off. It would be counter to everything Obama has promised though which makes a strike unlikely.

My guess is Obama will try to stall and buy time in order to punt to the next administration.

I do recall that Israel has a good track record with "everyone vs Israel" conflicts.

no worries friends!

FTFA: "Significantly, the uprising in Iran also makes it more likely that an effective public diplomacy campaign could be waged in the country to explain to Iranians that such an attack is directed against the regime, not against the Iranian people. This was always true, but it has become even more important to make this case emphatically, when the gulf between the Islamic revolution of 1979 and the citizens of Iran has never been clearer or wider."


I'm not sure anyone checked his math, but I'm sure he's right. We always could of done this and just explained it to the Iranian people, they'd be cool, he swears it.

Sygerrik: Not to mention-- many Israeli Jews are of European extraction, while the Palestinians are a Semitic people. So who's the anti-Semite now?

1) About half the Jewish population of Israel are descendants from Arab Jews- forced out by their neighbors after 1948 and 1967.

2) The term anti-Semetism was coined by Wilhelm Marr to describe anti-Jewish animus. It takes a special kind of ignorance to think that BS arguement is clever.



FWIW, while I would normally say that an attack would galvanize the population, right now Dinnerjacket's popularity is lower than Bush 2's in 2006. He can't go out to public events etc. All he has is sabre rattling and his thugs. A kick in the nuclear nads will make him look weak. That could be what topples him.

Remember, Farouk got his fat ass booted after the 1948 fiasco and Nasser barely survived 67.

John Bolton: yet another militaristic farkwit who never served in the military himself.

Why are chickenhawks so psychotically violent?

And I think Jews are cool, I just can't stand Israel, much like I get along with most Muslims but hate terrorists and fundamentalists.

You who conflate disapproval of hyper-macho Israeli militaristic brutality with anti-Semitism are only hiding behind race.

rastjr: Surely we have some influence to stop them.

Maybe we could threaten to build pig farms in the Catskills?

/lame
//is all I got

Like so many neocons, Bolton is a warmonger who has never been to war.

In fact, he explains that he decided to avoid service in Vietnam because although he supported the war, he didn't want to die in a losing battle.

He's a man of true conviction. He waits to see if his side is winning before he dips his toe in.

memphomaniac: Is the Washington Post owned by warmongering Zionists now? They should be embarassed and ashamed for having printed this idiocy from Bolton.

They promoted recently a conservative of note name Fred Hiatt to be Editorial Page Editor. Since then, he's taken to firing several more liberal opinion columnists, and running more Krauthammer et al. Also editorial pieces from former Bush Admin. officials is SOP now. THere's literally several of them a week.

crimsin23: Israel does not shiat where the US eats.

Really? You think that oil is going to keep flowing out of the ME if Israel attacks Iran? Not without a heavy US involvement it's not.

Take near-billions in foreign aid from them and then get caught spying on them?

/yes Tats, that was a troll.

fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: crimsin23: fenrael23: Karma Curmudgeon: fenrael23: //have no clue how we'd stop them

The same as with any spoiled brat: cut off their allowance and not let them have any new toys until they promise not to beat up other kids in the neighborhood with them.

Yeah, but could you imagine the high-pitched whining that would take over our airwaves? Christ, it'd be unbearable.

Israel gets 3 billion a year from the US. So please tell me: What the hell are you talking about?

/And I will just ignore the 'high-pitched' comment in hopes that that wasn't an anti-semmitic statement.

I am talking about how the mere mention of funds being cut off (regardless of how much money is actually is) from Israel would cause a shiatstorm of whining. Whining tends to be high-pitched and annoying.

And I could care less about that weak "anti-semite" garbage. It is overplayed here on Fark. It's like Godwinning a thread at this point.
/Good day, sir.

So now you are inventing your own Godwin? Hell if that's the case let everyone do that.

People don't care about how much money the US gives Israel, they care that the strongest country in the world has Israel's back.

They would whine if that support was removed. Crying that the US wants Israel to fail, labeling us all Anti-Semites. You know, like how quickly you dragged that tired shiat out.

And I said it's LIKE Godwinning a thread. I am not inventing anything, you illiterate moron.

Saying that Israel is to blame for everything wrong in the mideast is also played out and is also like Godwinning a thread. See how that works, you moron?

Wolfmanjames:
FWIW, while I would normally say that an attack would galvanize the population, right now Dinnerjacket's popularity is lower than Bush 2's in 2006. He can't go out to public events etc. All he has is sabre rattling and his thugs. A kick in the nuclear nads will make him look weak. That could be what topples him.

Remember, Farouk got his fat ass booted after the 1948 fiasco and Nasser barely survived 67.

If only their President controlled the military...

Apik0r0s: Which is what, flim flam the Iranian populace with their media outlets?

Scream about being the victim while slaughtering civilians walled up in a ghetto?

Not a very good effort, Boris. Usually you are a far more effective troll in an Israel thread. Heart not in it today?

He just wants his bukket and some fresh sardines...