keithgabryelski: PJ_the_Barbarian: Impudent Domain: Quite apart from any considerations of left wing or right wing politics, this guy is an ass clown and it's a sad day that he is a senator. Nice going Minnesota.

Agreed. I would be equally disappointed if some district sent Hannity to congress.

So you see some comparison between Hannity and Franken? Please explain.

See above. I have expressed the opinion that Franken is a left-wing pundit, and will essentially be little more than an extension of the Democratic Party's platform in the senate. If he winds up being more than that, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong. I'd even apologize to him if he wanted me to.

Car_Ramrod: I think it would be great if he came on and spoofed himself.

I'm pretty sure the FCC only allows that kind of thing on cable.

/nttawwt

The Homer Tax: Codyl: (in a heavily dem state)

A heavily Dem State with a Republican Governor?

Happens more often than you think. Take a look at my home state of Assachusetts. I mean, not currently, but the last three elected governors were R. And Mass I'd say fits the bill for being "heavily Dem."

dittybopper:
It's the bow tie, isn't it?

It took 40+ posts to get to this? Come on people!

/Couldn't find any pics though, didn't try that hard either

Where. Minnesota? Who gives a shiat? That's practically Canada.

The Homer Tax: Codyl: (in a heavily dem state)

A heavily Dem State with a Republican Governor?

The opposite is true in Tennessee. The electorate is pretty Red, but we have a Democratic governor

dittybopper: Beeblebrox: Codyl: Franken would have lost by a landslide if not for so many dems (in a heavily dem state) pushing the "straight dem ticket" button.

It's amazing how close the vote was seeing how well Obama did. That means there were lots of people who voted for Obama and against Franken

Do blame them?

It's the bow tie, isn't it?

NEVER trust a man in a bow tie. That rule has never failed me.

SNL generally treats Democrats with kidd gloves and only breifly glazes over their involvement in screwups (see the Bush bank bailout skit where Franks involvement in allowing the meltdown is briefly hinted at).

He will be hailed as one of the smartest guys there if a bit wierd. I predict a knock off Stewart Smalley showing up and fixing all the country's problems with simple yet brilliant fixes.

SNL formula
Democrat politician = brilliant and has sex
Republican politician = dumb

Tina Fey made a career out of coming up with a new way of saying Bush is dumb once a week for eight years. Don't get me wrong, I agree Bush is dumb, it is just that the same joke every week got old quick.

PJ_the_Barbarian: He's essentially a pundit, at least I'd say that writing 3 books demonizing the right makes him one. Think of one of the more intellectually honest right-wing pundits sorry, imagine there were an intellectually honest right-wing pundit - you'd probably not be too happy if he were sent to congress.

Well, I consider George Will and intellectually honest right-wing pundit.

I wouldn't have an issue with him being sent to congress.

The books you refer to are an interesting point -- they were humorous (certainly not great lulz) and actually took some fair work to research. I'd give him a pass on that stuff and listen to what his position on issues are -- He's pretty straightforward and consistent.

Let's see what actual day-to-day senatorial give-and-take does to him and his positions.

Compare and contrast these to Hannity or Randi Rhodes -- these seem like AWs looking for an outlet.

Tricky Chicken: SNL generally treats Democrats with kidd gloves and only breifly glazes over their involvement in screwups (see the Bush bank bailout skit where Franks involvement in allowing the meltdown is briefly hinted at).

He will be hailed as one of the smartest guys there if a bit wierd. I predict a knock off Stewart Smalley showing up and fixing all the country's problems with simple yet brilliant fixes.

SNL formula
Democrat politician = brilliant and has sex
Republican politician = dumb

Tina Fey made a career out of coming up with a new way of saying Bush is dumb once a week for eight years. Don't get me wrong, I agree Bush is dumb, it is just that the same joke every week got old quick.

You missed the 90's apparently.

ryebread: The Homer Tax: A heavily Dem State with a Republican Governor?



/She sees what you did there...

Both time Pawlenty ran, he benefitted from a third party spoiler candidate that split the liberal vote (MN being a bit further left than even the DFL, which is a bit more liberal than the national Democratic party).

Michelle Bachmann is from a heavily gerrymandered chunk of the state that is much harder right-wing than the rest of the state. That said, I can't be the only one in this thread who would love to use her as a toilet though.

The Homer Tax: \I don't know either. This is why I asked. I won't hold my breath though - the best they usually can come up with is that pic of him in a diaper.

You know that pict is a 'shop created by a republican campaign aide (of whom I forget).

Tricky Chicken: Tina Fey made a career out of being smart, funny, and hot.

FTFM

Beeblebrox:
NEVER trust a man in a bow tie. That rule has never failed me.

Orville Redenbacher?

Tricky Chicken: SNL generally treats Democrats with kidd gloves and only breifly glazes over their involvement in screwups (see the Bush bank bailout skit where Franks involvement in allowing the meltdown is briefly hinted at).

He will be hailed as one of the smartest guys there if a bit wierd. I predict a knock off Stewart Smalley showing up and fixing all the country's problems with simple yet brilliant fixes.

SNL formula
Democrat politician = brilliant and has sex
Republican politician = dumb

Tina Fey made a career out of coming up with a new way of saying Bush is dumb once a week for eight years. Don't get me wrong, I agree Bush is dumb, it is just that the same joke every week got old quick.

The network comedy crowd doesn't always kid-glove democrats. I'm pretty sure they've been vicious with new york's dems on occaision, and their depiction of Bill Clinton wasn't exactly a love letter.

And on SNL alum Jon Lovitz's "The Critic," they referred to Clinton as a "Fat, lecherous hillbilly."

Asteroth: Beeblebrox:
NEVER trust a man in a bow tie. That rule has never failed me.

Orville Redenbacher?

That asshole owes me money.

By law, no Franken thread can pass without the posting of this picture:

Tricky Chicken:
...Tina Fey made a career out of coming up with a new way of saying Bush is dumb once a week for eight years. Don't get me wrong, I agree Bush is dumb, it is just that the same joke every week got old quick. looking like Sarah Palin.

PJ_the_Barbarian: See above. I have expressed the opinion that Franken is a left-wing pundit, and will essentially be little more than an extension of the Democratic Party's platform in the senate. If he winds up being more than that, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong. I'd even apologize to him if he wanted me to

Got it. We disagree, and although you seem confused on Franken's intentions and abilities I can't argue with a wait and see attitude.

Asteroth: Beeblebrox:
NEVER trust a man in a bow tie. That rule has never failed me.

Orville Redenbacher?


He puts a chemical in the corn that makes you crave it fortnightly.

i think Al Franken is a pretty cool guy. eh does spoofs and doesnt afraid of anything.

PJ_the_Barbarian: keithgabryelski: Impudent Domain: Quite apart from any considerations of left wing or right wing politics, this guy is an ass clown and it's a sad day that he is a senator. Nice going Minnesota.

In what way is Al Franken an "ass clown".

Seems like a reasonable guy to me, who is concerned about the issues, educates himself on them, and certainly leans left/progressive.

I can understand some hate from people on right because he has dressed down some of their messiahs, but why do you have an issue?

He's essentially a pundit, at least I'd say that writing 3 books demonizing the right makes him one. Think of one of the more intellectually honest right-wing pundits sorry, imagine there were an intellectually honest right-wing pundit - you'd probably not be too happy if he were sent to congress.

A pundit that graduated cum laude from Harvard, with a degree in poli-sci.

I dare say he's more qualified than many

zjbs14: dittybopper:
It's the bow tie, isn't it?

It took 40+ posts to get to this? Come on people!

/Couldn't find any pics though, didn't try that hard either

I though it was kinda lame myself that I had to do it.

Thank you for your time, sir.

tedbundee: Tricky Chicken:
...Tina Fey made a career out of coming up with a new way of saying Bush is dumb once a week for eight years. Don't get me wrong, I agree Bush is dumb, it is just that the same joke every week got old quick. looking like Sarah Palin.

Hey Mr. Short-term memory: Oh, HI! how are you!

Tina Fey had left SNL way before this Palin thing came out.

Oh, HI! how are you!?

She certainly nailed that character for the few weeks and guested back on SNL.

Oh, HI! how are you!?

But her career was running hot way before that.

oh, HI! how are you!?

yogaFLAME: i think Al Franken is a pretty cool guy. eh does spoofs and doesnt afraid of anything.

I like that meme but you accidentally the first noun.

The Homer Tax: Codyl: (in a heavily dem state)

A heavily Dem State with a Republican Governor?

And California has a Republican Governor. Are you saying that makes California a "republican" state?

Amazing...

The Homer Tax: Impudent Domain: this guy is an ass clown

Which of his offenses do you find the most egregious?

He had the gall to be a comedian AND host a liberal radio show AND write liberal political books AND do them all fairly well.

That's what I gather from my dad when I ask him why he hates Franken, anyway.

Codyl: And California has a Republican Governor. Are you saying that makes California a "republican" state?

Amazing...

Sorry, I was just looking at other aspects to your inane post beyond the "Straight Ticket" Lie that was addressed many times over that you have conveniently ignored.

LittleSmitty: PJ_the_Barbarian: keithgabryelski: Impudent Domain: Quite apart from any considerations of left wing or right wing politics, this guy is an ass clown and it's a sad day that he is a senator. Nice going Minnesota.

In what way is Al Franken an "ass clown".

Seems like a reasonable guy to me, who is concerned about the issues, educates himself on them, and certainly leans left/progressive.

I can understand some hate from people on right because he has dressed down some of their messiahs, but why do you have an issue?

He's essentially a pundit, at least I'd say that writing 3 books demonizing the right makes him one. Think of one of the more intellectually honest right-wing pundits sorry, imagine there were an intellectually honest right-wing pundit - you'd probably not be too happy if he were sent to congress.

A pundit that graduated cum laude from Harvard, with a degree in poli-sci.

I dare say he's more qualified than many

For a prolific comic that was featured for years on SNL back when the show was still a bit edgy, I have never found the guy all that funny. Stuart Smalley was mildly amusing for a short time, but that wore off pretty quickly. I Haven't read his books for that very reason.

Anyhow, hopefully for MN's sake, he'll be a better lawmaker than he was a comedian.

AntiNerd: Successful comedians tend to be very smart. Try to imagine one Republican ideologue that could last five minutes against Jon Stewart. Franken is the the same, and he will make a great Senator for all of us.

Name a republican ideologue that could last 5 minutes against Jon Stewart? Okay... How about all of them?

Unless you're talking about who's better at saying "funny" things that get white liberals into a slobbering cheering frenzy. In that case, Stewart would destroy any republican ideologue

I wonder what makes Hannity more angry, having to say President Obama or Senator Franken?

Franken and he have some personal bad blood but I suspect his racism overpowers even that.

Lumi: The Homer Tax: Impudent Domain: this guy is an ass clown

Which of his offenses do you find the most egregious?

He had the gall to be a comedian AND host a liberal radio show AND write liberal political books AND do them all fairly well.

That's what I gather from my dad when I ask him why he hates Franken, anyway.

People don't like being sneered at and put down, which is exactly what a pundit does to his political opponents - especially one who is trying to be funny. It's natural that people aren't going to like being put down, and the more successful the sneerer the more offensive he is to you.

Even if Rush Limbaugh was a clean-living philanthropist who wasn't a hypocrite at all, the left would still hate him because he's trying to move the political discourse in a direction they don't like, and doing it by jeering at his enemies.

Car_Ramrod: himself

Not sure he's right for the role.

yogaFLAME: i think Al Franken is a pretty cool guy. eh does spoofs and doesnt afraid of anything.

Except personal criticism. I don't think he can take it nearly as well as he can dish it out.

Hope Seth Meyers rips him a new one on SNL.

Codyl

My suggestion to you, seeing as how your account has been around for about 5 years:

Lurk more.

Also, do some fact checking, your delusional beliefs do not reflect reality from a rational and logical standpoint.

Morton_toes: For a prolific comic that was featured for years on SNL back when the show was still a bit edgy, I have never found the guy all that funny. Stuart Smalley was mildly amusing for a short time, but that wore off pretty quickly. I Haven't read his books for that very reason.

Anyhow, hopefully for MN's sake, he'll be a better lawmaker than he was a comedian.

You realize that Senator Franken's greatest contribution to SNL was not his acting, but his writing, right? He was actually one of the original writers on the show back in '75.

Codyl: AntiNerd: Successful comedians tend to be very smart. Try to imagine one Republican ideologue that could last five minutes against Jon Stewart. Franken is the the same, and he will make a great Senator for all of us.

Name a republican ideologue that could last 5 minutes against Jon Stewart? Okay... How about all of them?

Seriously. Tucker Carlson PWNED Jon Stewart on Crossfire. Tucker got fired from CNN because he was too harsh in destroying Stewart. CNN doesn't like when fellow liberals get embarrassed on national TV.

StrikitRich: yogaFLAME: i think Al Franken is a pretty cool guy. eh does spoofs and doesnt afraid of anything.

Except personal criticism. I don't think he can take it nearly as well as he can dish it out.

Being Jewish, self-deprecation is his kryptonite.

Morton_toes:
For a prolific comic that was featured for years on SNL back when the show was still a bit edgy, I have never found the guy all that funny. Stuart Smalley was mildly amusing for a short time, but that wore off pretty quickly. I Haven't read his books for that very reason.

Anyhow, hopefully for MN's sake, he'll be a better lawmaker than he was a comedian.

Franken's humor definitely has a dry air to it, I consider him more of a satirist than a comedian. If you're looking for belly laughs he isn't your man but I've found his words to stay with me much longer than any typical comedian. He is a much better writer than a performer and folks need to remember that he was the one doing the writing back when SNL was awesome.

Haven't read his books but I did borrow a copy of them on audiobooks, very poignant stuff. Again, don't think I LOL'd a single time but I do find myself quoting bits and pieces of it years later almost as bad as early Simpson references. Definitely worth a listen. His take on rush, oreilly, and hannity are easily worth the cost and any political junkie should be all but required to take a look.

Jeff73: By law, no Franken thread can pass without the posting of this picture:

And:

Car_Ramrod: Seriously. Tucker Carlson PWNED Jon Stewart on Crossfire.

Only the most delusional partisan hack would conjure up such a warped take on reality. Carlson was the laughingstock of the political circle for weeks after their run-in.

Morton_toes: LittleSmitty: PJ_the_Barbarian: keithgabryelski: Impudent Domain: Quite apart from any considerations of left wing or right wing politics, this guy is an ass clown and it's a sad day that he is a senator. Nice going Minnesota.

In what way is Al Franken an "ass clown".

Seems like a reasonable guy to me, who is concerned about the issues, educates himself on them, and certainly leans left/progressive.

I can understand some hate from people on right because he has dressed down some of their messiahs, but why do you have an issue?

He's essentially a pundit, at least I'd say that writing 3 books demonizing the right makes him one. Think of one of the more intellectually honest right-wing pundits sorry, imagine there were an intellectually honest right-wing pundit - you'd probably not be too happy if he were sent to congress.

A pundit that graduated cum laude from Harvard, with a degree in poli-sci.

I dare say he's more qualified than many

For a prolific comic that was featured for years on SNL back when the show was still a bit edgy, I have never found the guy all that funny. Stuart Smalley was mildly amusing for a short time, but that wore off pretty quickly. I Haven't read his books for that very reason.

Anyhow, hopefully for MN's sake, he'll be a better lawmaker than he was a comedian.

Agreed

Impudent Domain: Quite apart from any considerations of left wing or right wing politics, this guy is an ass clown and it's a sad day that he is a senator.

[citation needed]

Seriously. I see this all the time, this "Franken sucks" stuff, and no-one, ever, can back it up with any substance.

Will you be the first?

He's intelligent, well-spoken, and does thorough research. WTF is the problem with that?

StrikitRich: Except personal criticism. I don't think he can take it nearly as well as he can dish it out.

Citation likewise needed. Care to cite an example of this, ever?

The Homer Tax: Morton_toes: For a prolific comic that was featured for years on SNL back when the show was still a bit edgy, I have never found the guy all that funny. Stuart Smalley was mildly amusing for a short time, but that wore off pretty quickly. I Haven't read his books for that very reason.

Anyhow, hopefully for MN's sake, he'll be a better lawmaker than he was a comedian.

You realize that Senator Franken's greatest contribution to SNL was not his acting, but his writing, right? He was actually one of the original writers on the show back in '75.

I guess I did kinda' know that, and the show really was bitingly funny satire at that time, so I'll give him his due there.

He's still always sorta' bothered me as a performer tho.

Car_Ramrod: Codyl: AntiNerd: Successful comedians tend to be very smart. Try to imagine one Republican ideologue that could last five minutes against Jon Stewart. Franken is the the same, and he will make a great Senator for all of us.

Name a republican ideologue that could last 5 minutes against Jon Stewart? Okay... How about all of them?

Seriously. Tucker Carlson PWNED Jon Stewart on Crossfire. Tucker got fired from CNN because he was too harsh in destroying Stewart. CNN doesn't like when fellow liberals get embarrassed on national TV.

I lol'd.

/obvious troll is actually funny.

Codyl: .

It's amazing how close the vote was seeing how well Obama did. That means there were lots of people who voted for Obama and against Franken


Yeah, count me as one of them. Coleman might have been crap, but Franken is a partisan hack. He's as bad as Rush, but without the following.

Morton_toes: I guess I did kinda' know that, and the show really was bitingly funny satire at that time, so I'll give him his due there.

Senator Franken wrote for SNL from 75-80 and 85-95. I don't think it's a coincidence that these coincide with the times that show was at its best. Agree that he wasn't the most stellar character actor on the show, but he had some great bits where he played "Al Franken" very well, if that makes sense.

The original thread about carlson and stewart. General consensus: Carlson came out on the bottom of the heap. (new window)

the opposite of charity is justice: Car_Ramrod: Seriously. Tucker Carlson PWNED Jon Stewart on Crossfire.

Only the most delusional partisan hack would conjure up such a warped take on reality. Carlson was the laughingstock of the political circle for weeks after their run-in.

I'm fairly certain your sarcasmeter is in need of calibration.

/I can help with that, I work for an ISO 17025 acredited sarcasm laboratory
//Reaaaaally....