Speaking of tattoos... is there anyone in this thread that has a Michael Jackson tattoo?

If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Masso: TiggaBob: Masso: Car_Ramrod: bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

These stuffs are exactly black or white.

Not necessarily; take a good long look at the man in the mirror and let me know what you come up with.

Hey, you wanna be startin somethin? Leave me alone.

Who are you trying to be? Some sort of smooth criminal? Or is that really your human nature? Tell me why.

Sweet182: Marla Singer's Laundry: I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Can you stop being such a farking TROLL and stick to the topic at hand? I don't know what kind of boner you get trying to piss other people off, but there are other mediums for that.

Ok. I'm done giving you the attention you crave so much.

She's right, you know. That thing is going to be dated, and the bane of your middle age in about 20 years. Don't shoot the messenger.

Spoonfed'sBuddy: If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Neither. I would get it in the ink you can only see in Black Light.


OooooOoooOOOOOOoooo

Sweet182: Marla Singer's Laundry: I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Can you stop being such a farking TROLL and stick to the topic at hand? I don't know what kind of boner you get trying to piss other people off, but there are other mediums for that.

Ok. I'm done giving you the attention you crave so much.

Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

Sweet182: Spoonfed'sBuddy: If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Neither. I would get it in the ink you can only see in Black Light.


OooooOoooOOOOOOoooo

Phosphorescent? I think that counts as white mike.

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

How is it hate when I am merely stating facts? I am merely trying to provide a counterpoint to the blind worship of a pedophile.

I mean, what was Jackson really: Quincy Jones was the man responsible for creating the music that everyone loves, Joe forced him into show business, not his own love of performing music, and a choreographer invented the moonwalk. Basically, the entertainer Michael Jackson could have been replaced with any soprano that could dance.

I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

/Your kids are now safer. Wait. They would have been too ugly for his tastes.

agwood18: LasssiterBeRight: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twi s ted_sicko_177187.htm

Wow. You go girl.

Uh, link's farked?

sort of. there's a space in the middle of the word "twisted" - take that space out and the link works fine.

feh

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Maybe he hated him before his death, which leads me to a question I always wonder about when someone I don't like dies: Why the fark are we expected to "not speak ill of the dead"? What kind of superstitious bullshiat is that?

If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

I'd go ahead and pretend you were a great person, but I have an allergy to being a phony plastic piece of shiat.

Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

That what I tried to tell my history teacher back in High School when he kept bring up Roosevelt and his 'New Deal'.

Excen: How is it hate when I am merely stating facts? I am merely trying to provide a counterpoint to the blind worship of a pedophile.

Where do you see blind worship? Do you think people don't know he was messed up? Do you walk into funeral homes and start listing the faults of the dead people? What's wrong with you?

Excen: I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

Why even bring this up? I seriously don't see why it matters. What would actually be *wrong* with us all just choosing to remember his good things and not the bad. When you think of a dead parent, do you actively remind yourself of their bad qualities?

Spoonfed'sBuddy: Speaking of tattoos... is there anyone in this thread that has a Michael Jackson tattoo?

If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

How about both MJ's, back to back and one upside down. Sort of like an MJ tao.

/Doesn't matter if it's black or white

Spoonfed'sBuddy: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Halo is awesome. It will not cease to be awesome 20 years from now, it will be heralded as a classic. Kind of like Pong.

It's still popular? Well I'll be damned.

Also, there's still MJ news? Oh, right. I don't watch the news.

madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

Marla Singer's Laundry: Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

If she likes it, what harm is it to you?

Excen: I mean, what was Jackson really: Quincy Jones was the man responsible for creating the music that everyone loves, Joe forced him into show business, not his own love of performing music, and a choreographer invented the moonwalk. Basically, the entertainer Michael Jackson could have been replaced with any soprano that could dance.

I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

/Your kids are now safer. Wait. They would have been too ugly for his tastes.

From your profile:

Trip-Hop and it's variants: Zero 7, Air, Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, etc. I also DJ hip-hop. Not that interesting.

Here comes the ever-resentful Excen to tell us about REAL music...MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

HAHAAHAHAHAH!

Christ, jealous much?

Jesus. Marla Singer's Laundry and Sweet182 drove this thread into the ground with astounding efficiency.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Elvis was a junky. Hendrix choked on puke. James Brown was hooked on PCP. Cobain was a depressed, addicted suicide. Charlie Parker was a junky, too, and Billie Holiday was thought to be in her 60s by the guy doing the autopsy.

Pat Boone is the artist for you. He's clean.

There's a difference between the Rock Star lifestyle and proverbially eating children. At least Ozzy Osbourne stopped at bats.

/Jackson encapsulated everything wrong about Celebrity Worship

GavinTheAlmighty: Marla Singer's Laundry: Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

If she likes it, what harm is it to you?

If someone likes the product produced by Michael Jackson, what harm is it to her?

Thanks for proving my point.

CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

Arthur Figgis: Jesus. Marla Singer's Laundry and Sweet182 drove this thread into the ground with astounding efficiency.

You gonna live? Because, yeah, it's an internet site about people who try to give themselves circumcisions and such. It's not the Council on Foreign Relations site. Perhaps you didn't notice.

Excen: CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

And you're an alleged DJ with incontrovertible jealousy issues. Allegedly.

CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

"Alleged" pedophiles don't make settlements. If someone accused you of diddling their child, would you pay them off or go down fighting for your innocence? It was worth $20mil to Jackson to shut them down. Innocent people don't do that.

DamnYankees: madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. Some of us try to learn from history, and keep things in perspective. One could ask why you choose to idolize someone after they die? Why not remember them as a whole person, with their bad and their good? Being human means you make mistakes, and hopefully you learn from those mistakes. If you ignore the mistakes, you ignore the humanity.

Arthur Figgis: It also made me remember what an actual, honest-to-God musical genius Michael was, all weirdness aside.

Genius and Crazy are neighbors with a shared back yard.

Never cared all that much for MJ's music, but I can appreciate the magnificent talent he had. It's a sad thing for those that liked his music and were looking forward to him making more. I guess they feel something like I did when Stevie Ray Vaughn died.

wylkyn: I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. Some of us try to learn from history, and keep things in perspective. One could ask why you choose to idolize someone after they die? Why not remember them as a whole person, with their bad and their good? Being human means you make mistakes, and hopefully you learn from those mistakes. If you ignore the mistakes, you ignore the humanity.

No one said to ignore the mistake. But to blatantly steal from a great American...we can move in that direction filled with hatred toward people who we despise. Or we can make an effort to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of hatethat has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.

I have never said we need to forget what Jackson (probably) did. But hating him for it gets us no where. Spitting on his grave gets us nowhere. Understanding it and moving forward - that's what makes this world a better place to live.

And yes, it applies the same to Godwin himself.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



That's ignorant!

CoJoeTheLawyer: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Just like you've forgotten Van Gogh, Howard Hughes, and Elvis' bizarre behavior? You can appreciate the art while still having pity, scorn, or loathing toward the artist. I like some of MJ's music, but I still think he should have been in jail for what he did. And I'm not going to stop thinking that just because he died.

CoJoeTheLawyer: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Which is precisely what is wrong with celebrity worship. People will also forget that, before Thriller, before Bad, Joe Jackson forced his kids to sing and dance in seedy strip clubs all over Chicago before they were old enough to know why people went there.

Jackson was psychologically and (if you count getting groped by a stripper at 5 years old) physically abused, and his entire career, the music and image everyone seems to love, was created out of the self-loathing of his sexual and social identity, culminating with self-mutilation and pedophilia.

If that's a legacy meant to be worshiped and held as an American Standard of Music, why would anyone listen to anything Billboard says is "Good Music"?

Marla Singer's Laundry: If someone likes the product produced by Michael Jackson, what harm is it to her?

Thanks for proving my point.

Well, that's not really the point of the thread though, is it? It's not about whether or not he produced a good product. The article mentioned a poll where some people said that there was too much coverage of Jackson's death. In a slighty-less-than-tactful way, Sweet182 agreed with the majority. Then you vomited this thread in another direction completely.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Pat Boone is the artist for you. He's clean.

Not so fast there.

Excen: If that's a legacy meant to be worshiped and held as an American Standard of Music, why would anyone listen to anything Billboard says is "Good Music"?

Did you read this part:

"Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten."

Kind of his point, you know?

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

So Hitler should be praised for his great oratory skills?

/Consider yourself severely pwned

Marla Singer's Laundry: Excen: CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

And you're an alleged DJ with incontrovertible jealousy issues. Allegedly.

I get paid to make noise and play the Macarena at weddings. I hold no misconceptions about being an artist.

Jackson "wrote" Billie Jean and Beat It, but it was Quincy Jones that actually created the "duh-duh-duh-duh/duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh" hook.

/Would you let your kids sleep over at Neverland Ranch? He's a pedo.

The only unfortunate thing about that homo dying is that his death wasn't more painful He was a farking child molester and deserved worse. I guess we're all of a sudden supposed to forget that he favored young boys. Hope he's burning in hell.

DamnYankees: But to blatantly steal from a great American

Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

I appreciate your sentiment, and the way in which you present it. But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims. In my mind, that is something to be despised, and to point out in an effort to stop it from happening again. I truly hope that the truth comes out about Michael Jackson at some point - something that won't happen if we close our eyes to it in an effort to be respectful to the dead - because then if a similar situation comes up, maybe, just maybe, something will be done about it. And who knows? Maybe the truth will be that Michael was the victim. And that would be good to learn as well.

And Marla Singer's Laundry is still a whore.

wylkyn: Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

That quote. Stole from RFK when he was asking people not let hate overcome them upon hearing of MLK's assassination.

wylkyn: But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims.

That's fine. It's fine to have anger which motivates us to change the system. But it only hurts us to hold on to anger against people who have passed and can no longer hurt anyone. Compassion and understanding are what moves *us* forward, more than anything.

TotallyHeadless: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

Sit a 10-year-old on a chair and have a trained trial lawyer grill him for 8 hours a day and eventually he'll say he's Cookie Monster in open court. The fact of the matter is that Jackson had "sleepovers" with young children that weren't his, he had an unnatural predilection toward kids stemming from his childhood psychological abuse, and there was no adult supervision whatsoever. Call me crazy, but that's a trifecta for kiddie-fiddling if I've ever heard one.

/The facts state that the Isotoner didn't fit OJ
//After being soaked in blood and stored for a year in an evidence locker

DamnYankees: madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the manTotallyHeadless: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

Sounds like someone else drank the Jesus Juice.

Martin Bashir: "When you are talking about children we met Gavin - and it was a great privilege to meet Gavin because he's had a lot of suffering in his life - when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?"

Jackson: "Yes."

Bashir: "Can you understand why people would worry about that?"

Jackson: "Because they are ignorant."

Bashir: "But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share a bedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?"

Jackson: "That's a beautiful thing."

Bashir: "That's not a worrying thing?"

Jackson: "Why should that be worrying?

What about Billy Mays???

zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

DamnYankees: zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

Besides MJ's nose?

DamnYankees: zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

What the heck? Yeah, it did...

continuing: Because he's dead, we forget the beatings and only remember Dad sitting at the breakfast table reading the newspaper?

DamnYankees: wylkyn: Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

That quote. Stole from RFK when he was asking people not let hate overcome them upon hearing of MLK's assassination.

wylkyn: But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims.

That's fine. It's fine to have anger which motivates us to change the system. But it only hurts us to hold on to anger against people who have passed and can no longer hurt anyone. Compassion and understanding are what moves *us* forward, more than anything.

So, we should also have compassion and understanding for Charlie Manson when he dies too?

DamnYankees: Did something get cut off?

Most of Michael Jackson's nose, yes.