It IS nice to hear Billie Jean on the radio again. That's one of the top five pop songs ever recorded.

I'm in the 36 percent

I've been reading the series of 5 Vanity Fair articles which went really in depth on Jackson - wow. I mean, wow.

Both sides are correct

Last weekend was pretty awesome with VH1 Classic playing a bunch of his videos and hearing him on the radio all the time. I don't care much for the "news" coverage, though. Part of me says "leave that poor family alone!" but the other part says... "What a bunch of attention whores using his death like that."

DamnYankees: I've been reading the series of 5 Vanity Fair articles which went really in depth on Jackson - wow. I mean, wow.

Yeah, those are f-ed up.

Also longer than the LOTR trilogy.

HulkHands: Also longer than the LOTR trilogy.

Yeah. About 75 pages total. But its worth it. Very good writing. The author only really presents the bad side of things (and maybe that in fact is the only side), so its hard to tell what the 'real' stories are, but its very interesting to read.

Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twis ted_sicko_177187.htm

Wow. You go girl.

LasssiterBeRight: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twi s ted_sicko_177187.htm

Wow. You go girl.

Uh, link's farked?

I'm not tired of it. He was a very interesting weirdo. If you don't agree, you could do something radical like, oh, I don't know--stop reading the articles?

Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Sweet182: Oh for Fark sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

i agree!

Can they play The Way You Make Me Feel next? And can nationwide please stop using I'll Be There in their commercials, it's just in poor taste.

Personally, I want to hear more from Dangerous Album.

I heard an arrangement of "Annie Are You OK?" for strings yesterday. Was pretty grate, akshully, until the guy one aisle over attempted to sing it.

i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

we have a major major offensive with thousands of Marines in Afghanistan and NBC Today starts off with 30 minutes of Jacko coverage from run-down "ranch" in fore-closure.

Seriously, it was the best radio day ever last Thursday. I haven't enjoyed listening to commercial radio in probably 15 years.

bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

Wait...what happened to Michael Jackson?

Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Halo is awesome. It will not cease to be awesome 20 years from now, it will be heralded as a classic. Kind of like Pong.

I went out to a few places downtown on the night that MJ died, and literally every bar was playing one of his old hits. It really was great to hear the music again, and it was oddly moving. There's something profound about American culture losing (and subsequently celebrating) a near-universal reference point. It also made me remember what an actual, honest-to-God musical genius Michael was, all weirdness aside.

Let me know if his condition changes.

At this point I've tuned out all cable and network news due to the feeding frenzy on Jacko. Thankfully there's NPR.

Car_Ramrod: bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

These stuffs are exactly black or white.

Spoonfed'sBuddy: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Halo is awesome. It will not cease to be awesome 20 years from now, it will be heralded as a classic. Kind of like Pong.

Yes, because no one will ever make another video game that is popular, so I'm glad she's thinking ahead.

The only MJ song I've caught on my radio was Beat It. Which is pretty much what I wish this story would do. This guy was a clusterfark of crazy and I can't hear his music without thinking about child molestation, which is gross and disturbing. So hopefully the media with STFUAGBTW.

Marla Singer's Laundry: You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.>

It means something special to me... Also in my defense, it's one of the greatest games of all time. So yes. I was thinking long term.

But lets stay on topic here and leave the petty "profile attacking" for another time.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Wow. Personal attack based on profile? Classy.

/and it's not going to bring the pedo back
//get over it

Masso: Car_Ramrod: bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

These stuffs are exactly black or white.

Not necessarily; take a good long look at the man in the mirror and let me know what you come up with.

I never got the part about the chair not being his son.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Yes, because no one will ever make another video game that is popular, so I'm glad she's thinking ahead.


Oh would you fark off with your lame attempt at sarcasm.

NannyStatePark: The only MJ song I've caught on my radio was Beat It. Which is pretty much what I wish this story would do. This guy was a clusterfark of crazy and I can't hear his music without thinking about child molestation, which is gross and disturbing. So hopefully the media with STFUAGBTW.

But, the Elvis thing was great, right? I mean, he only died on the toilet of a drug overdose, having wasted the last 20 years of his life in a nightmare of dissipation and decay.

Pot, kettle, it used to be black, but it got a skin disorder.

What's all this fuss about Micheal Jetson? Did he even have a television show as good as his brother George? And like his brother, was he an abusive yet decent husband who yelled when the dressing machine put him in a dress? Did he appreciate living in a time of flying cars and angry, probably killer robots?

And what I want to know is, where is my flying car dammit?

MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

wylkyn: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Wow. Personal attack based on profile? Classy.

/and it's not going to bring the pedo back
//get over it

White Knighting is gay.


Sweet182: Marla Singer's Laundry: You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.>

It means something special to me... Also in my defense, it's one of the greatest games of all time. So yes. I was thinking long term.

But lets stay on topic here and leave the petty "profile attacking" for another time.

Yes, like I said, no one will ever top that. Like, you know, Pong, Pac Man, Tron, Donkey Kong, etc.

Maybe you could get an Elevator Action tat on the other cheek. Or, the Atari Pac-Man port.

wylkyn: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Wow. Personal attack based on profile? Classy.

/and it's not going to bring the pedo back
//get over it

She's like that. Ignore her.

Don't get me wrong. I dig his music...But I feel that America has more than paid respect and now it's getting redundant and annoying...

I guess anything to take our mind of War, Politics and the Economy.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Marla Singer's Laundry: Spoonfed'sBuddy: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Halo is awesome. It will not cease to be awesome 20 years from now, it will be heralded as a classic. Kind of like Pong.

Yes, because no one will ever make another video game that is popular, so I'm glad she's thinking ahead.

I imagine they will make a video game that is even more popular. They will likely make games that are even better than Halo (I sure hope so). I suppose a person could always get another game tattoo if games are what they're really into. Some people have Mario tattoos. Some of those people regret it, some may not. Halo is not so much a fad as it's simply a really great video game for its time. Star Wars is even older than I am and I guarantee you there are people with Yoda tattoos out there that like them just fine.

TiggaBob: Masso: Car_Ramrod: bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

These stuffs are exactly black or white.

Not necessarily; take a good long look at the man in the mirror and let me know what you come up with.

Hey, you wanna be startin somethin? Leave me alone.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Elvis was a junky. Hendrix choked on puke. James Brown was hooked on PCP. Cobain was a depressed, addicted suicide. Charlie Parker was a junky, too, and Billie Holiday was thought to be in her 60s by the guy doing the autopsy.

Pat Boone is the artist for you. He's clean.

Masso: Hey, you wanna be startin somethin? Leave me alone.

Mama se, mama sa.

Rose Red: wylkyn: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Wow. Personal attack based on profile? Classy.

/and it's not going to bring the pedo back
//get over it

She's like that. Ignore her.

I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Rose Red: wylkyn: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Wow. Personal attack based on profile? Classy.

/and it's not going to bring the pedo back
//get over it

She's like that. Ignore her.

I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

I bet if I quote you she can see that.

I was just thinking this yesterday. That TV guide channel on Comcast was playing a tribute to MJ's top videos, and I couldn't help watching them for awhile (when I usually click off that damn channel as soon as I see what's on)(and I've found out that keeping it muted while I'm searching helps A LOT, especially when it's nothing but American Idol wrap ups for five hours).

However, at the same time, I think it's kind of funny to see all of these tributes. Until last week, I couldn't remember the last time I'd seen a pic of the black MJ, as opposed to the freakish white version.

This just in:
Michael Jackson is still dead!
Stay tuned for more updates.

Marla Singer's Laundry: I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Can you stop being such a farking TROLL and stick to the topic at hand? I don't know what kind of boner you get trying to piss other people off, but there are other mediums for that.

Ok. I'm done giving you the attention you crave so much.

Speaking of tattoos... is there anyone in this thread that has a Michael Jackson tattoo?

If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Masso: TiggaBob: Masso: Car_Ramrod: bongmiester: i wish this song stuck in my head would just beat it

That was bad. You know it.

These stuffs are exactly black or white.

Not necessarily; take a good long look at the man in the mirror and let me know what you come up with.

Hey, you wanna be startin somethin? Leave me alone.

Who are you trying to be? Some sort of smooth criminal? Or is that really your human nature? Tell me why.

Sweet182: Marla Singer's Laundry: I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Can you stop being such a farking TROLL and stick to the topic at hand? I don't know what kind of boner you get trying to piss other people off, but there are other mediums for that.

Ok. I'm done giving you the attention you crave so much.

She's right, you know. That thing is going to be dated, and the bane of your middle age in about 20 years. Don't shoot the messenger.

Spoonfed'sBuddy: If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Neither. I would get it in the ink you can only see in Black Light.


OooooOoooOOOOOOoooo

Sweet182: Marla Singer's Laundry: I think someone scared has me on ignore. Rose Red is pathetic.

Can you stop being such a farking TROLL and stick to the topic at hand? I don't know what kind of boner you get trying to piss other people off, but there are other mediums for that.

Ok. I'm done giving you the attention you crave so much.

Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

Sweet182: Spoonfed'sBuddy: If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

Neither. I would get it in the ink you can only see in Black Light.


OooooOoooOOOOOOoooo

Phosphorescent? I think that counts as white mike.

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

How is it hate when I am merely stating facts? I am merely trying to provide a counterpoint to the blind worship of a pedophile.

I mean, what was Jackson really: Quincy Jones was the man responsible for creating the music that everyone loves, Joe forced him into show business, not his own love of performing music, and a choreographer invented the moonwalk. Basically, the entertainer Michael Jackson could have been replaced with any soprano that could dance.

I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

/Your kids are now safer. Wait. They would have been too ugly for his tastes.

agwood18: LasssiterBeRight: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twi s ted_sicko_177187.htm

Wow. You go girl.

Uh, link's farked?

sort of. there's a space in the middle of the word "twisted" - take that space out and the link works fine.

feh

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Maybe he hated him before his death, which leads me to a question I always wonder about when someone I don't like dies: Why the fark are we expected to "not speak ill of the dead"? What kind of superstitious bullshiat is that?

If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

I'd go ahead and pretend you were a great person, but I have an allergy to being a phony plastic piece of shiat.

Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

That what I tried to tell my history teacher back in High School when he kept bring up Roosevelt and his 'New Deal'.

Excen: How is it hate when I am merely stating facts? I am merely trying to provide a counterpoint to the blind worship of a pedophile.

Where do you see blind worship? Do you think people don't know he was messed up? Do you walk into funeral homes and start listing the faults of the dead people? What's wrong with you?

Excen: I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

Why even bring this up? I seriously don't see why it matters. What would actually be *wrong* with us all just choosing to remember his good things and not the bad. When you think of a dead parent, do you actively remind yourself of their bad qualities?

Spoonfed'sBuddy: Speaking of tattoos... is there anyone in this thread that has a Michael Jackson tattoo?

If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

How about both MJ's, back to back and one upside down. Sort of like an MJ tao.

/Doesn't matter if it's black or white

Spoonfed'sBuddy: Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Halo is awesome. It will not cease to be awesome 20 years from now, it will be heralded as a classic. Kind of like Pong.

It's still popular? Well I'll be damned.

Also, there's still MJ news? Oh, right. I don't watch the news.

madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

Marla Singer's Laundry: Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

If she likes it, what harm is it to you?

Excen: I mean, what was Jackson really: Quincy Jones was the man responsible for creating the music that everyone loves, Joe forced him into show business, not his own love of performing music, and a choreographer invented the moonwalk. Basically, the entertainer Michael Jackson could have been replaced with any soprano that could dance.

I'm just saying that, while he did sell a brazillion albums, don't let the cult of celebrity overwhelm the fact that you couldn't leave your kids alone with him.

/Your kids are now safer. Wait. They would have been too ugly for his tastes.

From your profile:

Trip-Hop and it's variants: Zero 7, Air, Sigur Ros, Boards of Canada, etc. I also DJ hip-hop. Not that interesting.

Here comes the ever-resentful Excen to tell us about REAL music...MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

HAHAAHAHAHAH!

Christ, jealous much?

Jesus. Marla Singer's Laundry and Sweet182 drove this thread into the ground with astounding efficiency.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Elvis was a junky. Hendrix choked on puke. James Brown was hooked on PCP. Cobain was a depressed, addicted suicide. Charlie Parker was a junky, too, and Billie Holiday was thought to be in her 60s by the guy doing the autopsy.

Pat Boone is the artist for you. He's clean.

There's a difference between the Rock Star lifestyle and proverbially eating children. At least Ozzy Osbourne stopped at bats.

/Jackson encapsulated everything wrong about Celebrity Worship

GavinTheAlmighty: Marla Singer's Laundry: Yes, because nothing says "low profile" like an already-dated video game tattoo on your ample backside.

If she likes it, what harm is it to you?

If someone likes the product produced by Michael Jackson, what harm is it to her?

Thanks for proving my point.

CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

Arthur Figgis: Jesus. Marla Singer's Laundry and Sweet182 drove this thread into the ground with astounding efficiency.

You gonna live? Because, yeah, it's an internet site about people who try to give themselves circumcisions and such. It's not the Council on Foreign Relations site. Perhaps you didn't notice.

Excen: CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

And you're an alleged DJ with incontrovertible jealousy issues. Allegedly.

CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

"Alleged" pedophiles don't make settlements. If someone accused you of diddling their child, would you pay them off or go down fighting for your innocence? It was worth $20mil to Jackson to shut them down. Innocent people don't do that.

DamnYankees: madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. Some of us try to learn from history, and keep things in perspective. One could ask why you choose to idolize someone after they die? Why not remember them as a whole person, with their bad and their good? Being human means you make mistakes, and hopefully you learn from those mistakes. If you ignore the mistakes, you ignore the humanity.

Arthur Figgis: It also made me remember what an actual, honest-to-God musical genius Michael was, all weirdness aside.

Genius and Crazy are neighbors with a shared back yard.

Never cared all that much for MJ's music, but I can appreciate the magnificent talent he had. It's a sad thing for those that liked his music and were looking forward to him making more. I guess they feel something like I did when Stevie Ray Vaughn died.

wylkyn: I could Godwin this thread, but I won't. Some of us try to learn from history, and keep things in perspective. One could ask why you choose to idolize someone after they die? Why not remember them as a whole person, with their bad and their good? Being human means you make mistakes, and hopefully you learn from those mistakes. If you ignore the mistakes, you ignore the humanity.

No one said to ignore the mistake. But to blatantly steal from a great American...we can move in that direction filled with hatred toward people who we despise. Or we can make an effort to understand and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of hatethat has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion and love.

I have never said we need to forget what Jackson (probably) did. But hating him for it gets us no where. Spitting on his grave gets us nowhere. Understanding it and moving forward - that's what makes this world a better place to live.

And yes, it applies the same to Godwin himself.

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



That's ignorant!

CoJoeTheLawyer: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Just like you've forgotten Van Gogh, Howard Hughes, and Elvis' bizarre behavior? You can appreciate the art while still having pity, scorn, or loathing toward the artist. I like some of MJ's music, but I still think he should have been in jail for what he did. And I'm not going to stop thinking that just because he died.

CoJoeTheLawyer: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Correction: Michael Jackson was a acquitted pedophile. And a musically talented pedophile at that.

And like other supremely gifted individuals who had very deep-seated psychological issues (Howard Hughes, Elvis, Vincent van Gogh, et al.) his death will prevent him from further damaging his legacy. Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten.

Which is precisely what is wrong with celebrity worship. People will also forget that, before Thriller, before Bad, Joe Jackson forced his kids to sing and dance in seedy strip clubs all over Chicago before they were old enough to know why people went there.

Jackson was psychologically and (if you count getting groped by a stripper at 5 years old) physically abused, and his entire career, the music and image everyone seems to love, was created out of the self-loathing of his sexual and social identity, culminating with self-mutilation and pedophilia.

If that's a legacy meant to be worshiped and held as an American Standard of Music, why would anyone listen to anything Billboard says is "Good Music"?

Marla Singer's Laundry: If someone likes the product produced by Michael Jackson, what harm is it to her?

Thanks for proving my point.

Well, that's not really the point of the thread though, is it? It's not about whether or not he produced a good product. The article mentioned a poll where some people said that there was too much coverage of Jackson's death. In a slighty-less-than-tactful way, Sweet182 agreed with the majority. Then you vomited this thread in another direction completely.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Pat Boone is the artist for you. He's clean.

Not so fast there.

Excen: If that's a legacy meant to be worshiped and held as an American Standard of Music, why would anyone listen to anything Billboard says is "Good Music"?

Did you read this part:

"Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten."

Kind of his point, you know?

Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

So Hitler should be praised for his great oratory skills?

/Consider yourself severely pwned

Marla Singer's Laundry: Excen: CarnySaur: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS An alleged PEDOPHILE

And OJ was an alleged murderer.

And you're an alleged DJ with incontrovertible jealousy issues. Allegedly.

I get paid to make noise and play the Macarena at weddings. I hold no misconceptions about being an artist.

Jackson "wrote" Billie Jean and Beat It, but it was Quincy Jones that actually created the "duh-duh-duh-duh/duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh" hook.

/Would you let your kids sleep over at Neverland Ranch? He's a pedo.

The only unfortunate thing about that homo dying is that his death wasn't more painful He was a farking child molester and deserved worse. I guess we're all of a sudden supposed to forget that he favored young boys. Hope he's burning in hell.

DamnYankees: But to blatantly steal from a great American

Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

I appreciate your sentiment, and the way in which you present it. But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims. In my mind, that is something to be despised, and to point out in an effort to stop it from happening again. I truly hope that the truth comes out about Michael Jackson at some point - something that won't happen if we close our eyes to it in an effort to be respectful to the dead - because then if a similar situation comes up, maybe, just maybe, something will be done about it. And who knows? Maybe the truth will be that Michael was the victim. And that would be good to learn as well.

And Marla Singer's Laundry is still a whore.

wylkyn: Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

That quote. Stole from RFK when he was asking people not let hate overcome them upon hearing of MLK's assassination.

wylkyn: But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims.

That's fine. It's fine to have anger which motivates us to change the system. But it only hurts us to hold on to anger against people who have passed and can no longer hurt anyone. Compassion and understanding are what moves *us* forward, more than anything.

TotallyHeadless: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

Sit a 10-year-old on a chair and have a trained trial lawyer grill him for 8 hours a day and eventually he'll say he's Cookie Monster in open court. The fact of the matter is that Jackson had "sleepovers" with young children that weren't his, he had an unnatural predilection toward kids stemming from his childhood psychological abuse, and there was no adult supervision whatsoever. Call me crazy, but that's a trifecta for kiddie-fiddling if I've ever heard one.

/The facts state that the Isotoner didn't fit OJ
//After being soaked in blood and stored for a year in an evidence locker

DamnYankees: madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the manTotallyHeadless: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE

Lest we all forget that the media circlejerk is worshiping a man that got a 9-year-old hammered on "Jesus Juice" and slept with him in the same bed. I'm not saying 2 and 2 equals the kid from Home Alone getting his junk fiddled, but I'd be Excen the Shanked Pedo if I had the same info presented at trial that Whacko Jacko had presented at his.

/Ah, America. The only land where a black boy can grow up to be a white woman!

Actually, he was not. The kid lied, for money, no less.

Sounds like someone else drank the Jesus Juice.

Martin Bashir: "When you are talking about children we met Gavin - and it was a great privilege to meet Gavin because he's had a lot of suffering in his life - when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?"

Jackson: "Yes."

Bashir: "Can you understand why people would worry about that?"

Jackson: "Because they are ignorant."

Bashir: "But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share a bedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?"

Jackson: "That's a beautiful thing."

Bashir: "That's not a worrying thing?"

Jackson: "Why should that be worrying?

What about Billy Mays???

zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

DamnYankees: zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

Besides MJ's nose?

DamnYankees: zabadu: So basically, what you're saying is, for instance, your father beats the hell out of you your whole life. Now he's dead. Because he's dead, we only think of the man

Did something get cut off?

What the heck? Yeah, it did...

continuing: Because he's dead, we forget the beatings and only remember Dad sitting at the breakfast table reading the newspaper?

DamnYankees: wylkyn: Huh? Steal? Steal what? You lost me.

That quote. Stole from RFK when he was asking people not let hate overcome them upon hearing of MLK's assassination.

wylkyn: But I have a problem when a pedophile gets to walk free simply because he is rich, and is idolized by a bunch of people who care more about his art and his image than they do about his victims.

That's fine. It's fine to have anger which motivates us to change the system. But it only hurts us to hold on to anger against people who have passed and can no longer hurt anyone. Compassion and understanding are what moves *us* forward, more than anything.

So, we should also have compassion and understanding for Charlie Manson when he dies too?

DamnYankees: Did something get cut off?

Most of Michael Jackson's nose, yes.

zabadu: So, we should also have compassion and understanding for Charlie Manson when he dies too?

Don't be silly, Charlie can't dance for shiat.

Jon LaJoie's thoughts:
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zabadu: continuing: Because he's dead, we forget the beatings and only remember Dad sitting at the breakfast table reading the newspaper?

Absolutely not. You remember them for who they were, good and bad. But what I'm saying is that when we think of the bad, hate doesn't help us. Derision doesn't help us. Anger doesn't help us. Compassion and understanding are what help us. When we think of a father who maybe beat us, we can feel compassion for him, for being the type of man who would do that, and for who must have had terrible things going on inside his head. We can feel sympathy for a man who never felt love or family the way we feel he should have.

I mean no disrespect whatsoever to you if this is your personal experience. I'm just trying to explain my thinking.

zabadu: So, we should also have compassion and understanding for Charlie Manson when he dies too?

As much as we can, yes. True sociopaths are perhaps the hardest people to feel for, but the lack of compassion is mark against us, not against them.

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

2) Both trials had some rather compelling evidence that favored Jackson. The first child had a history of false accusations, and the second child was part of a potentially baseless witch hunt for kids who would be willing to say Jackson touched them in exchange for cash.

3) Even if he did commit these crimes, at what point do you say the sentence has been served? Is millions upon millions of dollars lost and a tarnished reputation for the rest of his life not enough?

4) The man is farking dead. To dismiss his legacy or reduce him to a couple trials is understandable with, like, Hitler. But Michael freakin' Jackson? I'm still at a loss. :(

Marla Singer's Laundry: Excen: If that's a legacy meant to be worshiped and held as an American Standard of Music, why would anyone listen to anything Billboard says is "Good Music"?

Did you read this part:

"Fifty years from now people will still be listening to Thriller and Billie Jean, but Michael Jackson the boogie man will have been forgotten."

Kind of his point, you know?

Have you seen photos of the guy after about 1990? That's not something you can forget easily. He made fat, Vegas-Elvis look downright cute and cuddly.

Give it a decade and Jackson will be just as musically irrelevant as Elvis, except your kids will be saying, "Eeew. I don't want to listen to that child rapist." instead of just saying the music sucks.

/You're just pissed that your childhood was raped by Columbia

agwood18: LasssiterBeRight: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twi s ted_sicko_177187.htm

Wow. You go girl.

Uh, link's farked?
TEXT of TFA (bolds mine)

YOU'D have thought by the media lovefest that the pope had died a tragic death after a lifetime of caring for lepers.

But, no, it was the death of Michael Jackson, a drug-addled, creepy-beyond-words, accused pedophile who literally bought his children with the help of two brood mares and, apparently, his dermatologist -- a group of amoral savages who had no problem giving their kids to a man who looked like the Phantom of the Opera and who behaved like a depraved worm.

You can call it "adoption," but I call it child-trafficking.

OK, I said it -- and it's about time somebody had the nerve to say what millions of people must feel and believe about the once-talented black man who turned himself into a white woman before turning himself into a monster.

But you'd never know any of that if you'd listened for the past week to the endless prattle from the sickening, fawning media and all those Hollywood music phonies who were crying crocodile tears over someone they'd mostly avoided like, well, a pedophile.

Even the president of the United States felt compelled to issue a statement. Are you kidding me?

I say all this not just as some casual bystander to the Michael Jackson freak show -- though I was a Jacko freak back in 1993, when I was as in awe of him as the rest of the world. But then one day, a friend came to see me at my office at another newspaper and everything changed.

"My cousin's boy's been hijacked by Michael Jackson," he said. He pulled out two photos of the boy, Jordie Chandler, with Jackson. They were dressed alike -- in fedoras, little black suits, each wearing one freaking glove. They were on a roller-coaster -- in Europe.

Jordie's mother had remarried, and his stepfather had introduced her to Jackson. Within weeks, the sleepovers among Jackson and her gorgeous 13-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter began. The boy broke down and told his father that he'd been molested at Jackson's playground, Neverland Ranch, and in Europe.

The dad, a dentist-to-the-stars and screenwriter, contacted authorities, and shortly thereafter was jumped and beaten bloody in a garage. His home was broken into, and thugs menaced patients in his waiting room. The authorities told him it might be best if he and his son disappeared for a while. They settled for more than $20 million. The father took the boy underground, and he had plastic surgery and disguised himself for safety. Dental practice destroyed, screenwriting career over, family in tatters.

Jackson walked free -- or as free as a tortured soul can be -- to repeat over and over again his hideous tricks with children at Neverland, a place straight out of "Hansel and Gretel."

It is in this very spot where his family wanted to put on their grotesque public display of his sadly emaciated, needle-marked body, reportedly to be dressed "like a prince," as though he has become one of the garish statues upon which he loved to drop millions in Las Vegas hotel tchotchke shops. Another circus of the macabre to add to the horror that became Michael Jackson's life.

This is the kind of madness that's followed Jackson's death -- everyone is acting as though the world has lost one of its greatest men.

The King of Pop was a great entertainer -- innovative beyond anyone the world had ever seen -- but he turned into a disgustingly depraved man who hung an infant off a balcony and forced his kids to walk around with masks, veils, towels and even nets over their faces.

Great men don't pretend to be childlike to disguise their depravities. Shameful.

The king is dead, and I for one am not crying.

DamnYankees: zabadu: continuing: Because he's dead, we forget the beatings and only remember Dad sitting at the breakfast table reading the newspaper?

Absolutely not. You remember them for who they were, good and bad. But what I'm saying is that when we think of the bad, hate doesn't help us. Derision doesn't help us. Anger doesn't help us. Compassion and understanding are what help us. When we think of a father who maybe beat us, we can feel compassion for him, for being the type of man who would do that, and for who must have had terrible things going on inside his head. We can feel sympathy for a man who never felt love or family the way we feel he should have.

I mean no disrespect whatsoever to you if this is your personal experience. I'm just trying to explain my thinking.

zabadu: So, we should also have compassion and understanding for Charlie Manson when he dies too?

As much as we can, yes. True sociopaths are perhaps the hardest people to feel for, but the lack of compassion is mark against us, not against them.

Well, sorry, can't agree with you on this one. Personally, no, I have never been beaten by my parents. However, to say that we have to have compassion and understanding that someone who does this is messed up, well, sorry, no. If you're so messed up that you beat someone, or molest someone, GET HELP.

As for true sociopaths, compassion is wasted on them. They are not reformable.

Thankfully my radio stations havent bothered to play any of his music. They covered his death for about 5 minutes.

It's nice having independent radio stations

DamnYankees: madmann: If I don't like you when you're breathing, odds are that I'm not going to like you any better when you stop.

You don't have to like anyone. But compassion, understand, sympathy - these are the things we should be striving for whenever we think of anyone. And when someone dies and can no longer do any active harm, there's no reason to *not* feel those things.

I'm not sure which position you hold... that everyone, regardless of the distastefulness of their actions, is deserving of our understanding, compassion or sympathy (I strongly disagree) OR that once someone dies, the act of death somehow MAKES them deserving of our understanding, compassion & sympathy (I couldn't disagree more).

Either way... some people are simply pieces of shiat. To remember only the good parts of someone's life is not only dishonest revisionist history, it borders on the delusional.

Odd story here, btw. The psychiatrist who went to the cops telling them that Jackson molested the first kid in 1993 is a family friend of my parents. He would come over for dinner pretty often. Really nice guy.

I am sick of hearing about it. The media always overplays it when celebrities die. Fark them. They made a lot of money, but it did not save them from either a freakish life or an inevitable death. And for those who say that he died too early, where have you been? people die at 50 regularly, especially when they have had so many mental and physical problems as he has had.

Let it go, news media. Let it go.

zabadu: Well, sorry, can't agree with you on this one. Personally, no, I have never been beaten by my parents. However, to say that we have to have compassion and understanding that someone who does this is messed up, well, sorry, no. If you're so messed up that you beat someone, or molest someone, GET HELP.

You misunderstand me. I'm talking after the fact, once no more harm can be done. So with the father, I was talking about at the time of his death, when the child is thinking back. When you are in the moment, you do what is necessary to protect yourself and other people, absolutely. You get help. I'm just talking about reflecting on people who can no longer do us harm.

zabadu: As for true sociopaths, compassion is wasted on them. They are not reformable.

The compassion is not for them. It's for us.

madmann: I'm not sure which position you hold... that everyone, regardless of the distastefulness of their actions, is deserving of our understanding, compassion or sympathy (I strongly disagree) OR that once someone dies, the act of death somehow MAKES them deserving of our understanding, compassion & sympathy (I couldn't disagree more).

The former. It's just easier to talk about after death, since it removes all the complicating factors of having to protect oneself. But ideally yes, you should be compassionate and understanding all the time for everyone. No question.

madmann: Either way... some people are simply pieces of shiat. To remember only the good parts of someone's life is not only dishonest revisionist history, it borders on the delusional.

I don't advocate this. We need to remember the bad parts. But we need to do so with compassion and understanding*, but hate.

*I know I keep repeating those two words, but they really are the core of my belief on this matter.

Weasel3322: At this point I've tuned out all cable and network news due to the feeding frenzy on Jacko. Thankfully there's NPR.


The BBC on NPR was fellating MJ's corpse like there was some Robotussin in there for days after the death. What the fark is wrong with British people trying to prove they were never prejudiced?

/And now, a word about leaving your radio on at night.
//Leave your radio on at night.

Lest we forget:

EZ Writer: Lest we forget:

Haha. That's funny.

"Thirty percent said they followed the story very closely, though that number jumped to 80 percent among blacks"

It always surprises me to hear about African Americans (blacks) taking a huge interest in Michael Jackson. I've wondered, if I had been born black, would I take offense to someone who has spent countless dollars rearranging his body to appear white? Maybe its racist for me to even ponder such things, and maybe I don't get it because I am white. It just seems sad to me that a hero to one race would strive to appear as another race.

Excen:

Give it a decade and Jackson will be just as musically irrelevant as Elvis, except your kids will be saying, "Eeew. I don't want to listen to that child rapist." instead of just saying the music sucks.

How is Elvis musically irrelevant now? Every music genre from Country to Hardcore Gangsta Rap borrows in some way, shape or form from the King.

richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

Seriously? You need a life. Worshipping celebrity is sad.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

If innocent, Jackson could have fought to regain his rep by NOT settling and going completely through the system.

2) Both trials had some rather compelling evidence that favored Jackson. The first child had a history of false accusations, and the second child was part of a potentially baseless witch hunt for kids who would be willing to say Jackson touched them in exchange for cash.

Both trials had children and families scared out of their minds by worshippers like you appearing on their doorstep threatening violence. How does a child have a history of false accusations? If Jackson had not slept in beds with children, he wouldn't have set himself up for the supposed "witch hunt" you claim.

3) Even if he did commit these crimes, at what point do you say the sentence has been served? Is millions upon millions of dollars lost and a tarnished reputation for the rest of his life not enough?

What sentence? He never served any time. Again, Jackson himself set himself up for the "tarnished rep" by sleeping in the same bed as children.

4) The man is farking dead. To dismiss his legacy or reduce him to a couple trials is understandable with, like, Hitler. But Michael freakin' Jackson? I'm still at a loss. :(

His legacy, other than being a loon, is as a singer. He dubbed himself "King of Pop", no one else did. And it's lemmings like you that will carry his "legacy" into the future.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Well, sorry, can't agree with you on this one. Personally, no, I have never been beaten by my parents. However, to say that we have to have compassion and understanding that someone who does this is messed up, well, sorry, no. If you're so messed up that you beat someone, or molest someone, GET HELP.

You misunderstand me. I'm talking after the fact, once no more harm can be done. So with the father, I was talking about at the time of his death, when the child is thinking back. When you are in the moment, you do what is necessary to protect yourself and other people, absolutely. You get help. I'm just talking about reflecting on people who can no longer do us harm.

zabadu: As for true sociopaths, compassion is wasted on them. They are not reformable.

The compassion is not for them. It's for us.

I have no problem going forth in this world having no compassion for people like Manson or Jackson.

Being dead does not absolve someone of their evil.

zabadu:
What sentence? He never served any time. Again, Jackson himself set himself up for the "tarnished rep" by sleeping in the same bed as children.

Honest question - do you believe he lived anything other than a tortured life? That guy had a horrible psychological makeup. I mean, torturous. Maybe he didn't ever walk into a literal cell, but he lived a hellish life I would not want. Why is that not enough to feel compassion?

zabadu: I have no problem going forth in this world having no compassion for people like Manson or Jackson.

Being dead does not absolve someone of their evil.

I just don't see what it gains you, to hold that hatred inside. All it does it add hatred and anger to the world, something we surely don't need more of. I believe it makes us better men to forgive as much as we can, to understand each other as best we can, and to extend a compassionate hand whenever possible.

DamnYankees: zabadu:
What sentence? He never served any time. Again, Jackson himself set himself up for the "tarnished rep" by sleeping in the same bed as children.

Honest question - do you believe he lived anything other than a tortured life? That guy had a horrible psychological makeup. I mean, torturous. Maybe he didn't ever walk into a literal cell, but he lived a hellish life I would not want. Why is that not enough to feel compassion?

Because you cannot have compassion for people who bring innocents into their private misery. Being messed up does not give you permission to mess up other people.

DamnYankees: zabadu: I have no problem going forth in this world having no compassion for people like Manson or Jackson.

Being dead does not absolve someone of their evil.

I just don't see what it gains you, to hold that hatred inside. All it does it add hatred and anger to the world, something we surely don't need more of. I believe it makes us better men to forgive as much as we can, to understand each other as best we can, and to extend a compassionate hand whenever possible.

What you conceive as "hate", I conceive as "pay no mind". We do not have to tolerate these kind of people.

richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

What is proof? You have Michael Jackson admitting he has an unnatural attraction toward children, he thought it was ok to sleep in the same bed as a strange child, and a $20,000,000 settlement! If that's not an admission that the trial was eventually headed toward a victory for the party that instigated the litigation, I don't know what is!

2) Both trials had some rather compelling evidence that favored Jackson. The first child had a history of false accusations, and the second child was part of a potentially baseless witch hunt for kids who would be willing to say Jackson touched them in exchange for cash.

If you believe that wasn't anything other than quality, lizard-like legal character assassination, ask yourself if you would have let your own flesh and blood sleep over at Neverland Ranch. If you answered yes, please don't breed.

3) Even if he did commit these crimes, at what point do you say the sentence has been served? Is millions upon millions of dollars lost and a tarnished reputation for the rest of his life not enough?

No. Pedophilia is a criminal offense, punishable by incarceration for an indeterminate amount of time in a facility for the criminally insane (until cured of an incurable disease) as a maximum offense. Jackson deserved to go to prison or a psychiatric facility, but due to overwhelming legal defenses, got off like OJ.

4) The man is farking dead. To dismiss his legacy or reduce him to a couple trials is understandable with, like, Hitler. But Michael freakin' Jackson? I'm still at a loss. :(

See Weenergord's post. He was a depraved pervert, and the fact the American public cannot see this due to a bunch of music that he didn't even create himself is why popular art is dead in a sociocultural sense.

/Buh-buh-buh-but he wrote Thriller!
//No, actually that was Rod Temperton (according to Wikipedia)

CoJoeTheLawyer: How is Elvis musically irrelevant now? Every music genre from Country to Hardcore Gangsta Rap borrows in some way, shape or form from the King.

I think that there's a point at which the person/thing who influenced something becomes irrelevant. Is Gutenberg relevant? Is Columbus relevant? Is Strabo relevant? Is classical Greek relevant? Is Vitruvius relevant? We must be careful not to confuse "relevant" with "historically important"; they are two very different terms.

Freakjob_0: What about Billy Mays???

I was watching the Pitchmen marathon last night (even though they only had a handful of episodes) and I'm actually more sad about him than MJ. He was a great guy who loved what he did and was really good at it. Taken too soon.

/that dual saw actually looked pretty badass

Sir Vanderhoot: Freakjob_0: What about Billy Mays???

I was watching the Pitchmen marathon last night (even though they only had a handful of episodes) and I'm actually more sad about him than MJ. He was a great guy who loved what he did and was really good at it. Taken too soon.

/that dual saw actually looked pretty badass

Yeah, I watched that last night and actually felt sad that he was taken at 50. He did seem like a genuinely nice man who loved what he did.

Excen: richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

What is proof? You have Michael Jackson admitting he has an unnatural attraction toward children, he thought it was ok to sleep in the same bed as a strange child, and a $20,000,000 settlement! If that's not an admission that the trial was eventually headed toward a victory for the party that instigated the litigation, I don't know what is!

2) Both trials had some rather compelling evidence that favored Jackson. The first child had a history of false accusations, and the second child was part of a potentially baseless witch hunt for kids who would be willing to say Jackson touched them in exchange for cash.

If you believe that wasn't anything other than quality, lizard-like legal character assassination, ask yourself if you would have let your own flesh and blood sleep over at Neverland Ranch. If you answered yes, please don't breed.

3) Even if he did commit these crimes, at what point do you say the sentence has been served? Is millions upon millions of dollars lost and a tarnished reputation for the rest of his life not enough?

No. Pedophilia is a criminal offense, punishable by incarceration for an indeterminate amount of time in a facility for the criminally insane (until cured of an incurable disease) as a maximum offense. Jackson deserved to go to prison or a psychiatric facility, but due to overwhelming legal defenses, got off like OJ.

4) The man is farking dead. To dismiss his legacy or reduce him to a couple trials is understandable with, like, Hitler. But Michael freakin' Jackson? I'm still at a loss. :(

See Weenergord's post. He was a depraved pervert, and the fact the American public cannot see this due to a bunch of music that he didn't even create himself is why popular art is dead in a sociocultural sense.

/Buh-buh-buh-but he wrote Thriller!
//No, actually that was Rod Temperton (according to Wikipedia)

Standing ovation

Harry Freakstorm: What's all this fuss about Micheal Jetson? Did he even have a television show as good as his brother George? And like his brother, was he an abusive yet decent husband who yelled when the dressing machine put him in a dress? Did he appreciate living in a time of flying cars and angry, probably killer robots?

And what I want to know is, where is my flying car dammit?

+111, would lol again. :D

/Never mind.

CoJoeTheLawyer: Excen:

Give it a decade and Jackson will be just as musically irrelevant as Elvis, except your kids will be saying, "Eeew. I don't want to listen to that child rapist." instead of just saying the music sucks.

How is Elvis musically irrelevant now? Every music genre from Country to Hardcore Gangsta Rap borrows in some way, shape or form from the King.

When's the last time you heard Elvis on the radio, aside from Kasey Kasom's show on the Oldies station?

/Oakenfold's Rubberneckin' remix doesn't count. Nobody listens to techno.

zabadu: Because you cannot have compassion for people who bring innocents into their private misery.

Why not?

zabadu: What you conceive as "hate", I conceive as "pay no mind". We do not have to tolerate these kind of people.

Have to? I suppose you don't 'have to' do anything. But we are lessened for it.

Sir Vanderhoot: Freakjob_0: What about Billy Mays???

I was watching the Pitchmen marathon last night (even though they only had a handful of episodes) and I'm actually more sad about him than MJ. He was a great guy who loved what he did and was really good at it. Taken too soon.

/that dual saw actually looked pretty badass

Billy Mays...was not my lov-ah!
He's just a guy who
sold lame stuff on TV!
And he's way...too..old for me! Whoo hoo hoo!

/sorry, had to do it

zabadu: Excen: richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: WHARRGARBL--LEAVE MICHAEL ALONE!!!--WHARRGARBL


See Weenergord's post. He was a depraved pervert, and the fact the American public cannot see this due to a bunch of music that he didn't even create himself is why popular art is dead in a sociocultural sense.

/Buh-buh-buh-but he wrote Thriller!
//No, actually that was Rod Temperton (according to Wikipedia)

Standing ovation

What can I say, I watched Leverage last night. I was hoping for a flawless victory, but the cheap shot at Orenthal the Football Carrying Murderer knocked me down to a 9.9.

/I once pissed on Mark Fuhrman's front door
//Needless to say, I was shiatfaced

Legacy of A Loon, coming to a theater near you........ love it. I'm here shocked at the fact it's ONLY 64 %. Enough was enough 4 days ago. On the other hand, send out more Michael Jackson jokes.............

DamnYankees: zabadu: Because you cannot have compassion for people who bring innocents into their private misery.

Why not?

zabadu: What you conceive as "hate", I conceive as "pay no mind". We do not have to tolerate these kind of people.

Have to? I suppose you don't 'have to' do anything. But we are lessened for it.

Wow, just wow.

I hope you're never called to serve on a rape trial jury.

Let's have compassion for all the murderers, child rapists, rapists in general and psychopaths.

Oh, and this about the "perfect father"...

Michael Jackson used a slew of aliases to score prescription meds, and we know the two names that could unlock the key to gross abuse by Jackson and some prominent doctors.

We've learned Jackson frequently used the names Omar Arnold and Jack London to get powerful drugs, including Demerol. Jackson also used the name of one of his bodyguards, as well as the name of the office manager for one of his doctors.

The DEA, which is joining to assist the LAPD in its investigation of several doctors who prescribed drugs to Jackson, will be hunting down these names and others.

Sources tell us the prescription abuse was so egregious, one doctor would call the pharmacy and say Jackson was coming down to get Demerol. The pharmacy would then fill the prescription, leaving the patient's name blank.

All these pharmacists should serve jail time, as well as the doctors.

zabadu: Let's have compassion for all the murderers, child rapists, rapists in general and psychopaths.

Yes. We should.

zabadu: I hope you're never called to serve on a rape trial jury.

I hope I'm not either. That would be very tough to listen to. But I'd apply the law as necessary.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Because you cannot have compassion for people who bring innocents into their private misery.

Why not?

I think partly because we are hard-wired that way. We can, but it is a stretch. In more primitive times, having compassion for a perceived enemy might make you hesitate where such hesitation could cost you your life. I applaud your efforts, because compassion is important. But don't discount the importance of the emotions which have allowed us to survive as a species. Neither should be favored over the other in every circumstance. They all have their appropriate moments.

zabadu: What you conceive as "hate", I conceive as "pay no mind". We do not have to tolerate these kind of people.

Have to? I suppose you don't 'have to' do anything. But we are lessened for it.

Don't mistake compassion and understanding for tolerance. If you tolerate abuse, then you are either crazy, or a prophet bent on self-sacrifice. Or both. :)

wylkyn: I think partly because we are hard-wired that way. We can, but it is a stretch. In more primitive times, having compassion for a perceived enemy might make you hesitate where such hesitation could cost you your life. I applaud your efforts, because compassion is important. But don't discount the importance of the emotions which have allowed us to survive as a species. Neither should be favored over the other in every circumstance. They all have their appropriate moments.

100% true. It's not easy. It's often extraordinarily hard to do so. All I'm saying is that should be the goal, the thing we strive for.

wylkyn: Don't mistake compassion and understanding for tolerance. If you tolerate abuse, then you are either crazy, or a prophet bent on self-sacrifice. Or both. :)

Fair point. I won't lump them in together.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Sweet182: Oh for fakr sake I'm so sick of hearing about it. He's dead. Move on.

You got a Halo tat on your butt? Way to think long-term.

Personally, I like girls with bad tattoos. It shows they can make quick decisions that they'll regret later, improves my odds of picking them up....

Rhymenocerus: "Thirty percent said they followed the story very closely, though that number jumped to 80 percent among blacks"

It always surprises me to hear about African Americans (blacks) taking a huge interest in Michael Jackson. I've wondered, if I had been born black, would I take offense to someone who has spent countless dollars rearranging his body to appear white? Maybe its racist for me to even ponder such things, and maybe I don't get it because I am white. It just seems sad to me that a hero to one race would strive to appear as another race.

These are also the same people that consider Affirmative Action to be a benefit, rather than a hindrance to people of dark skin color, that disagreeing with any opinion, regardless of correctness, remotely involved with the accountability of "black" culture racist and that George Bush really does hate black people. Plus, they also would call the Spanish celebration of Semana Santa racist, but I digress.

/Wikipedia it! I was drunk on St. Patrick's Day 2008 dodging midget klansmen in the streets!

BigJakeW: Legacy of A Loon, coming to a theater near you........ love it. I'm here shocked at the fact it's ONLY 64 %. Enough was enough 4 days ago. On the other hand, send out more Michael Jackson jokes.............

How do you know when it's time to go to bed at Neverland Ranch?
When the big hand is on the little hand!

What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
One is white, made out of plastic, and dangerous for kids to play with and the other you carry your groceries in.

What has 18 balls and 3 pubic hairs?
A slumber party at Michael Jackson's house.

What does Michael Jackson consider a "Perfect 10"?
Two five-year-olds.

Knock Knock!
Who's There?
Little boy blue!
Little boy blue who?
Michael Jackson!!

/I could keep going. . .

I heard that the cause of death was that he ate some ten year old nuts.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Well, sorry, can't agree with you on this one. Personally, no, I have never been beaten by my parents. However, to say that we have to have compassion and understanding that someone who does this is messed up, well, sorry, no. If you're so messed up that you beat someone, or molest someone, GET HELP.

You misunderstand me. I'm talking after the fact, once no more harm can be done. So with the father, I was talking about at the time of his death, when the child is thinking back. When you are in the moment, you do what is necessary to protect yourself and other people, absolutely. You get help. I'm just talking about reflecting on people who can no longer do us harm.

zabadu: As for true sociopaths, compassion is wasted on them. They are not reformable.

The compassion is not for them. It's for us.


Too bad that in your world, compassion for "us" does not include justice for "us." You are planning to be a defense lawyer, aren't you? With a passion for submission to criminals, perhaps? Do you get off on submission?

You were raised orthodox Jew. How do you feel about the fact that Debby Rowe is a Jew, therefore her children are Jews, and they are presently held captive by the Nation of Islam? You gonna turn your back on them too? Will that excite your submission thrill for you?
Do you fancy yourself some kind of Christian martyr?

WeenerGord: Too bad that in your world, compassion for "us" does not include justice for "us."

Yes it does.

WeenerGord: You were raised orthodox Jew. How do you feel about the fact that Debby Rowe is a Jew, therefore her children are Jews, and they are presently held captive by the Nation of Islam? You gonna turn your back on them too? Will that excite your submission thrill for you?
Do you fancy yourself some kind of Christian martyr?

Um. What?

DamnYankees: Odd story here, btw. The psychiatrist who went to the cops telling them that Jackson molested the first kid in 1993 is a family friend of my parents. He would come over for dinner pretty often. Really nice guy.


So perhaps your defense of MJ is rebellion against your parents? Way to make it be all about you.

dewihafta: Spoonfed'sBuddy: Speaking of tattoos... is there anyone in this thread that has a Michael Jackson tattoo?

If any of you were going to get an MJ tat, would it be black mike or white mike?

How about both MJ's, back to back and one upside down. Sort of like an MJ tao.

/Doesn't matter if it's black or white


Maybe a playing card type motif might work well for that. I suppose a morbid person could also get the zombie Jacko with "6/2009 - Present" denoted underneath it.

Rhymenocerus: "Thirty percent said they followed the story very closely, though that number jumped to 80 percent among blacks"

It always surprises me to hear about African Americans (blacks) taking a huge interest in Michael Jackson. I've wondered, if I had been born black, would I take offense to someone who has spent countless dollars rearranging his body to appear white? Maybe its racist for me to even ponder such things, and maybe I don't get it because I am white. It just seems sad to me that a hero to one race would strive to appear as another race.

Know what's crazy? Al Sharpton said that "Michael made young men and women all over the world imitate us" on Tuesday.

What a whitewash. Michael made black people idolize him because he was able to make himself white. MJ was the ultimate "passer."

The real issues here are of black people's self-hate, their love/hate of the white people and their inability to deal with this in a way which is not destructive.

Wow, this has turned into quite the pissing match!

I give him his props for his musical and dancing prowess; I remember vividly when Elvis took his Final Dump (I was 21, and thought my Mom was going to faint when Brokaw came on the news with, "The King is dead!"), and this situation is very similar.

I think he was weird, and have no idea what the truth is as far has his diddling little boys. I know that I wouldn't let my son sleep over at Neverland, for any reason.

That being said, I agree with the poster who mentioned Stevie Ray Vaughan.

/RIP, SRV.

WeenerGord: You were raised orthodox Jew. How do you feel about the fact that Debby Rowe is a Jew, therefore her children are Jews, and they are presently held captive by the Nation of Islam? You gonna turn your back on them too? Will that excite your submission thrill for you?
Do you fancy yourself some kind of Christian martyr?

I wanna know what brand of foil you use in your hats. Very entertaining. +1

TXEric: Wow, this has turned into quite the pissing match!

I give him his props for his musical and dancing prowess; I remember vividly when Elvis took his Final Dump (I was 21, and thought my Mom was going to faint when Brokaw came on the news with, "The King is dead!"), and this situation is very similar.

I think he was weird, and have no idea what the truth is as far has his diddling little boys. I know that I wouldn't let my son sleep over at Neverland, for any reason.

That being said, I agree with the poster who mentioned Stevie Ray Vaughan.

/RIP, SRV.

Having lived thru Elvis' death, I can tell you that there was no "wall to wall" coverage back then, thank God.

zabadu: Excen: richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

What is proof? You have Michael Jackson admitting he has an unnatural attraction toward children, he thought it was ok to sleep in the same bed as a strange child, and a $20,000,000 settlement! If that's not an admission that the trial was eventually headed toward a victory for the party that instigated the litigation, I don't know what is!

[snip, snip]

/Buh-buh-buh-but he wrote Thriller!
//No, actually that was Rod Temperton (according to Wikipedia)

Standing ovation

Ok, you're portraying me as some celebrity worshiper. That's quite far from the truth. I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

No, he did not actually pen many of the songs he sang, but neither did Pavarotti. What's your point? Unlike the gargantuan cesspool that is currently the music industry, he actually stood out as being a virtually unsurpassed rock vocalist, dancer, choreographer, and even songwriter. He was deeply involved in much of the song production, sang without computer enhancement, and wrote a lot of songs himself. But I'm not going to babble on about his music resume. If you've turned on any news station in the past week, you've already been subjected to it enough.

Instead, it's tough for me to witness the fall of an iconic figure. I realize his effective fall might have actually taken place years ago, but reading zany stories in tabloids is not the same thing as hearing about an autopsy being performed.

I don't think there's harm in remembering the only celebrity death in this decade that will remain an important moment in history for many years to come. My apologies if uncle Jimmy touched your private parts while you were still in diapers, and now you're lashing out at strangers on Fark over it.

It seems like both of you--zabadu and Excen--are being contrary for the sake of stroking your own egos, so I'm going to stop feeding the trolls now. Sorry.

richarizard: zabadu: Excen: richarizard: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

Yeah, this. The majority of people seem to recognize just how great a loss this is, and a week later, I'm still unable to play anything else in my car just yet. But, some very, very quick-to-judge people are unwilling to look past the molestation trials. Get off your high horses and get a clue.

1) It remains completely unproven. It was settled out of court, which, considering the high-profile reputation at stake, is far from an admission of guilt.

What is proof? You have Michael Jackson admitting he has an unnatural attraction toward children, he thought it was ok to sleep in the same bed as a strange child, and a $20,000,000 settlement! If that's not an admission that the trial was eventually headed toward a victory for the party that instigated the litigation, I don't know what is!

[snip, snip]

/Buh-buh-buh-but he wrote Thriller!
//No, actually that was Rod Temperton (according to Wikipedia)

Standing ovation

Ok, you're portraying me as some celebrity worshiper. That's quite far from the truth. I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

No, he did not actually pen many of the songs he sang, but neither did Pavarotti. What's your point? Unlike the gargantuan cesspool that is currently the music industry, he actually stood out as being a virtually unsurpassed rock vocalist, dancer, choreographer, and even songwriter. He was deeply involved in much of the song production, sang without computer enhancement, and wrote a lot of songs himself. But I'm not going to babble on about his music resume. If you've turned on any news station in the past week, you've already been subjected to it enough.

Instead, it's tough for me to witness the fall of an iconic figure. I realize his effective fall might have actually taken place years ago, but reading zany stories in tabloids is not the same thing as hearing about an autopsy being performed.

I don't think there's harm in remembering the only celebrity death in this decade that will remain an important moment in history for many years to come. My apologies if uncle Jimmy touched your private parts while you were still in diapers, and now you're lashing out at strangers on Fark over it.

It seems like both of you--zabadu and Excen--are being contrary for the sake of stroking your own egos, so I'm going to stop feeding the trolls now. Sorry.

Excuse me, I am not a troll, check my membership. Not being contrary for the fun of it - I truly fail to see how this sick and twisted man is being worshipped because he died and all his sins forgotten.

Never been molested, never had any of those issues. So you can sing and dance. That absolves you of sin?

As for "the only celebrity death in this decade that will remain an important moment in history for many years to come", well, that's just your opinion. I can think of far more that made an impact on this earth because of their work, and none of them slept with little children.

DamnYankees: Odd story here, btw. The psychiatrist who went to the cops telling them that Jackson molested the first kid in 1993 is a family friend of my parents. He would come over for dinner pretty often. Really nice guy.

You mean dentist, right?

richarizard: Ok, you're portraying me as some celebrity worshiper. That's quite far from the truth. I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

If the shoe fits. . .

No, he did not actually pen many of the songs he sang, but neither did Pavarotti. What's your point? Unlike the gargantuan cesspool that is currently the music industry, he actually stood out as being a virtually unsurpassed rock vocalist, dancer, choreographer, and even songwriter. He was deeply involved in much of the song production, sang without computer enhancement, and wrote a lot of songs himself. But I'm not going to babble on about his music resume. If you've turned on any news station in the past week, you've already been subjected to it enough.

My point is that he was a solid "meh" on the vocal talent scale. Imagine, if you will, that Michael from 2004 showed up to an American Idol talent search. Simon Cowell would rip off what's left of his nose and beat him to death with it. He didn't write any of the music part of his music (just the lyrics of a song or two per album), his choreographers showed him how to do the moonwalk (which he didn't invent, BTW), and he didn't do jack squat regarding the production of his albums, that was 100% Quincy Jones. Putting Jackson in the same musical talent league as Pavarotti is insulting, and only highlights your lack of taste, discretion and intellect.

Instead, it's tough for me to witness the fall of an iconic figure. I realize his effective fall might have actually taken place years ago, but reading zany stories in tabloids is not the same thing as hearing about an autopsy being performed.

I don't think there's harm in remembering the only celebrity death in this decade that will remain an important moment in history for many years to come. My apologies if uncle Jimmy touched your private parts while you were still in diapers, and now you're lashing out at strangers on Fark over it.

There's ample harm in just remembering the good of Michael Jackson. It would be like remembering George W. Bush only for liberating the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban, or forgetting that Mao Zedong killed 4 times and Joseph Stalin killed 5 times as many people as Hitler. He was a construct, a shell for the music industry to load and hock their best taste-unification muzak. I find it intellectually amusing that you resort to personal attacks when I merely state facts regarding a man (I use that term loosely) largely considered to be insane for the majority of, and criminally insane for a significant portion of his life.

It seems like both of you--zabadu and Excen--are being contrary for the sake of stroking your own egos, so I'm going to stop feeding the trolls now. Sorry.

I'm being "contrary" because I can see through the celebrity worship and because the legacy of the best-selling recording artist of all time should have a big, child's-hand-shaped asterisk next to it.

/ROCK vocalist? Cue the "you's trollin'" Boxxy pic

andyofne: You mean dentist, right?

No. Psychiatrist. The dentist took his son to the psychiatrist to tell him what happened. The psychiatrist then reported it, as he had a legal obligation to. That's how it was made public.

And for the record, it was richarizard's mom that molested me.

/I was a strapping young 11-year-old. . .

DamnYankees: zabadu: Because you cannot have compassion for people who bring innocents into their private misery.

Why not?

Because two wrongs don't make a right, you dumb twot. Are you really a NYU law student? You sound like a troll or a sociopath yourself. Listen, if you were abused, you can chose to forgive or hate your abuser, just as MJ could have chosen to forgive or hate his father and others in his past. But a lawyer is supposed to participate in the justice process by obtaining a conviction for crimes. Or do you have inside information on ways around the justice process?

When MJ chose to actively pursue innocent children and ruin their lives, he became the abuser. He became a criminal. He used his pop star money and fame to obtain victims the way that pedophile priests used their positions of authority to abuse children and control any complaining parents. Money spent on MJ records by fans was used to pay off victims just like church donations were used to pay off victims. And fools continue to whitewash this process and worship at the altar of his "celebrity."

MJ was not a musical genius like Prince or Elvis. MJ was a store-boughten guy. Real artists behind the scenes wrote the music and choreography, Mj just practiced it to death and performed it well like his father forced him to from childhood.

Who did MJ influence? I think the Jackson five were influenced by many Motown song/dance groups, and when MJ re-emerged in the 80s, he was constructed to borrow heavily from Prince. If fans bought jackets and gloves, that isn't real artistic influence. That is just the successful sale of "merch."

richarizard: Ok, you're portraying me as some celebrity worshiper. That's quite far from the truth. I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

Anyone who can't listen to anything besides MJ due to their grief would seem to be a celebrity worshiper.

I'm no expert though.

WeenerGord: Because two wrongs don't make a right, you dumb twot.

Compassion means extending emotions of sorry and comfort towards someone. Understanding means just that. Sympathy means sharing the feelings that someone else has. These things have no connection to 'justice' or 'right' or 'wrong'. They simply are the way we choose to interact with one another. They live side by side with each other. The world is better off the more we have of compassion and understanding.

richarizard: I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

I would just say it is incredibly pathetic.

tweekster: richarizard: I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

I would just say it is incredibly pathetic.

It's pathetic to feel grief over the death of an artist who was important to you? Why?

DamnYankees: It's pathetic to feel grief over the death of an artist who was important to you? Why?

Over that of family members. Yes it is.

Over a washed up artist that hasn't done shiat in nearly 2 decades, yes it is.

tweekster: Over that of family members. Yes it is.

Over a washed up artist that hasn't done shiat in nearly 2 decades, yes it is.

I don't know what kind of person tells someone else that his feelings about his own family are pathetic. You don't know richarizard. You don't know anything about his personal relationships, or his life. Yet you feel right telling him its "pathetic" that music moves him to a large degree.

I don't know what kind of person says that.

WeenerGord: Rhymenocerus: "Thirty percent said they followed the story very closely, though that number jumped to 80 percent among blacks"

It always surprises me to hear about African Americans (blacks) taking a huge interest in Michael Jackson. I've wondered, if I had been born black, would I take offense to someone who has spent countless dollars rearranging his body to appear white? Maybe its racist for me to even ponder such things, and maybe I don't get it because I am white. It just seems sad to me that a hero to one race would strive to appear as another race.

Know what's crazy? Al Sharpton said that "Michael made young men and women all over the world imitate us" on Tuesday.

What a whitewash. Michael made black people idolize him because he was able to make himself white. MJ was the ultimate "passer."

The real issues here are of black people's self-hate, their love/hate of the white people and their inability to deal with this in a way which is not destructive.

To quote the Bishop Don Magic Juan, "Church". He was a polarizing force: if you were black and didn't unconditionally support Michael during the legal stuff, you were a sellout, a traitor to your race, an oreo. Why do you think only complete irrelevant blowhards like Sharpton and close friends and family are the only people speaking out about him? The guy sold 970 million albums, but not a single current musician, regardless of race, can publicly say anything about him. I find it disgusting that the black community couldn't collectively say in 2005, a hundred and fifty years after slavery and fifty years after achieving legal equality, "You know, he's a pedo, he deserves to go to prison, and we deserve a better, saner, more wholesome star."

/Al, Jesse and every other "Leader" needs to make like the actual black leaders
//MLK and Malcolm X, that is

wylkyn: /and it's not going to bring the pedo back

[citation needed]

AFAIK, he was acquitted of all charges.

DamnYankees: tweekster: Over that of family members. Yes it is.

Over a washed up artist that hasn't done shiat in nearly 2 decades, yes it is.

I don't know what kind of person tells someone else that his feelings about his own family are pathetic. You don't know richarizard. You don't know anything about his personal relationships, or his life. Yet you feel right telling him its "pathetic" that music moves him to a large degree.

I don't know what kind of person says that.

He was a 1980's artist. He was also a shiatty human being (for a number reasons). He should barely be remembered, let alone have people broken up about his death.

The world is a better place.

tweekster: He was a 1980's artist. He was also a shiatty human being (for a number reasons). He should barely be remembered, let alone have people broken up about his death.

The world is a better place.

I hope when someone you care about dies and you feel somewhat upset by it, you come across better men and women than yourself.

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: Because two wrongs don't make a right, you dumb twot.

Compassion means extending emotions of sorry and comfort towards someone. Understanding means just that. Sympathy means sharing the feelings that someone else has. These things have no connection to 'justice' or 'right' or 'wrong'. They simply are the way we choose to interact with one another. They live side by side with each other. The world is better off the more we have of compassion and understanding.

Why don't you offer a portion of your effulgent emotions of sorry, comfort and understanding towards the child victims of MJs crimes? not to mention their parents who were attacked by the Nation of Islam muscle when they complained.

WeenerGord: Why don't you offer a portion of your effulgent emotions of sorry, comfort and understanding towards the child victims of MJs crimes? not to mention their parents who were attacked by the Nation of Islam muscle when they complained.

I do.

DamnYankees: tweekster: He was a 1980's artist. He was also a shiatty human being (for a number reasons). He should barely be remembered, let alone have people broken up about his death.

The world is a better place.

I hope when someone you care about dies and you feel somewhat upset by it, you come across better men and women than yourself.

I hope when someone I care about dies it doesn't end up on Fark.

ExRedStater: I hope when someone I care about dies it doesn't end up on Fark.

Well, that too.

DamnYankees: tweekster: richarizard: I've never batted an eye over a celebrity (or family member, for that matter...) dying before in my life. His hit me hard though. Trivialize it if you'd like.

I would just say it is incredibly pathetic.

It's pathetic to feel grief over the death of an artist who was important to you? Why?

To say you "feel sad" that an artist has passed is one thing. To say that you've only been able to listen to that artists music since he passed and are having a hard time getting past it - yeah, that's a little much.

However, people grieve in strange ways. But for me, to grieve continuously over someone you do not know, well, that's kind of sad.

TsukasaK: wylkyn: /and it's not going to bring the pedo back

[citation needed]

AFAIK, he was acquitted of all charges.

Acquitted does not equal innocence.

Paying a settlement does not equal innocence.

DamnYankees: ExRedStater: I hope when someone I care about dies it doesn't end up on Fark.

Well, that too.

*wink*

Isn't it funny that almost all the Michael Jackson music being played is at least 25 years old? Coould it be that his later stuff sucked?

DamnYankees: tweekster: He was a 1980's artist. He was also a shiatty human being (for a number reasons). He should barely be remembered, let alone have people broken up about his death.

The world is a better place.

I hope when someone you care about dies and you feel somewhat upset by it, you come across better men and women than yourself.

You know, there is reasonable grief and exaggerated grief. "Someone you care about" should be someone you know, not some guy who sang on a record.

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: Why don't you offer a portion of your effulgent emotions of sorry, comfort and understanding towards the child victims of MJs crimes? not to mention their parents who were attacked by the Nation of Islam muscle when they complained.

I do.

Really? Because you haven't said that once.

TsukasaK: wylkyn: /and it's not going to bring the pedo back

[citation needed]

AFAIK, he was acquitted of all charges.


Here you go:





/Acquittal =/= Innocence (e.g. OJ)

DamnYankees: I hope when someone you care about dies and you feel somewhat upset by it, you come across better men and women than yourself.

I care about people that I actually know. That know I exist.

It is equally pathetic if it were about Farrah fawcet and only watching her movies (of course atleast she was a good person, not scum like mj)

DamnYankees: tweekster: Over that of family members. Yes it is.

Over a washed up artist that hasn't done shiat in nearly 2 decades, yes it is.

I don't know what kind of person tells someone else that his feelings about his own family are pathetic. You don't know richarizard. You don't know anything about his personal relationships, or his life. Yet you feel right telling him its "pathetic" that music moves him to a large degree.

I don't know what kind of person says that.

It's like saying the death of Britney Spears or that d-bag from Nickelback or that bigger d-bag from Creed would move you to a depressive funk.

Jackson's music was the worst kind of manufactured soupy drivel, without any musical exploration or experimentation whatsoever. I mean the most artistic Jackson ever got in his career, Jackson in his purest form, "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" was post-disco disposable dogshiat. He will be remembered for selling a metric shiat-ton of media and for being a kiddie-fiddler, not for revolutionizing music as an artistic medium or even a musical genre.

/He invented cassette sales, so he does have that going for him

Excen: Jackson's music was the worst kind of manufactured soupy drivel, without any musical exploration or experimentation whatsoever. I mean the most artistic Jackson ever got in his career, Jackson in his purest form, "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" was post-disco disposable dogshiat. He will be remembered for selling a metric shiat-ton of media and for being a kiddie-fiddler, not for revolutionizing music as an artistic medium or even a musical genre.

/He invented cassette sales, so he does have that going for him

Also the impact on music videos as more epic tales.

Trucker: Isn't it funny that almost all the Michael Jackson music being played is at least 25 years old? Coould it be that his later stuff sucked?

After 1990 he was too busy farking children to write music.

/See the title of his 1991 album release. . .

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: Why don't you offer a portion of your effulgent emotions of sorry, comfort and understanding towards the child victims of MJs crimes? not to mention their parents who were attacked by the Nation of Islam muscle when they complained.

I do.

If you do feel compassion for Mjs victims, odd that you should express it by continually begging for forgiveness for their acquitted abuser in this thread.

I'm just glad he is still dead.

//lude

zabadu: Really? Because you haven't said that once.

I need to express my compassion for everyone? If you ask me, I'll tell you. They weren't the topic.

WeenerGord: If you do feel compassion for Mjs victims, odd that you should express it by continually begging for forgiveness for their acquitted abuser in this thread.

I have not once asked anyone to forgive Jackson. Not once.

tweekster: I care about people that I actually know. That know I exist.

It is equally pathetic if it were about Farrah fawcet and only watching her movies (of course atleast she was a good person, not scum like mj)

zabadu: You know, there is reasonable grief and exaggerated grief. "Someone you care about" should be someone you know, not some guy who sang on a record.

I think you are both being disingenuous. People care about others they do not know - all the people who were stricken over the deaths of MLK, or JFK, or RFK. People are devestated when vgreat artists or authors die. Like it or not, humans are capable of caring a great deal about people they do not personally know.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Really? Because you haven't said that once.

I need to express my compassion for everyone? If you ask me, I'll tell you. They weren't the topic.

WeenerGord: If you do feel compassion for Mjs victims, odd that you should express it by continually begging for forgiveness for their acquitted abuser in this thread.

I have not once asked anyone to forgive Jackson. Not once.

DamnYankees: tweekster: I care about people that I actually know. That know I exist.

It is equally pathetic if it were about Farrah fawcet and only watching her movies (of course atleast she was a good person, not scum like mj)

zabadu: You know, there is reasonable grief and exaggerated grief. "Someone you care about" should be someone you know, not some guy who sang on a record.

I think you are both being disingenuous. People care about others they do not know - all the people who were stricken over the deaths of MLK, or JFK, or RFK. People are devestated when vgreat artists or authors die. Like it or not, humans are capable of caring a great deal about people they do not personally know.

No, we've only been talking about victims for a while now. Guess you missed that.

There is a HUGE difference between someone being assassinated and the shock and grief that come from that and a pedophilic bleached musician that basically took his own life with no consideration for anyone other than himself. HUGE difference.

zabadu: There is a HUGE difference between someone being assassinated and the shock and grief that come from that and a pedophilic bleached musician that basically took his own life with no consideration for anyone other than himself. HUGE difference.

Is it really your job to judge who people care about? Michael Jackson affected a lot of people. He was the biggest star in the world with the greatest selling album of all time. He affected lots of people. I don't see why you see fit to judge anyone for caring about his death.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Really? Because you haven't said that once.

I need to express my compassion for everyone? If you ask me, I'll tell you. They weren't the topic.

WeenerGord: If you do feel compassion for Mjs victims, odd that you should express it by continually begging for forgiveness for their acquitted abuser in this thread.

I have not once asked anyone to forgive Jackson. Not once.

Actually, you asked us not to be angry at Jackson, but to show compassion and understanding now that he's dead and can no longer harm anyone.

DamnYankees: I don't know what kind of person tells someone else that his feelings about his own family are pathetic. You don't know richarizard. You don't know anything about his personal relationships, or his life.

Richarizard himself told us that his feelings toward his own family are pathetic.

I don't know what kind of person says that.

For once I have to agree with you. I don't know what kind of person can say "I've never batted an eye over a -family member- dying before in my life" either.

tweekster: Excen:
It's like saying the death of Britney Spears or that d-bag from Nickelback or that bigger d-bag from Creed would move you to a depressive funk.

Jackson's music was the worst kind of manufactured soupy drivel, without any musical exploration or experimentation whatsoever. I mean the most artistic Jackson ever got in his career, Jackson in his purest form, "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" was post-disco disposable dogshiat. He will be remembered for selling a metric shiat-ton of media and for being a kiddie-fiddler, not for revolutionizing music as an artistic medium or even a musical genre.

/He invented cassette sales, so he does have that going for him

Also the impact on music videos as more epic tales.

Which was all for naught, when MTV started the quest to kill the music video (and television in general, but I digress) in the summer of 1992 with The Real World.

zabadu: Actually, you asked us not to be angry at Jackson, but to show compassion and understanding now that he's dead and can no longer harm anyone.

Well, not sure I 'asked' you to do anything. But otherwise that's correct.

DamnYankees: zabadu: There is a HUGE difference between someone being assassinated and the shock and grief that come from that and a pedophilic bleached musician that basically took his own life with no consideration for anyone other than himself. HUGE difference.

Is it really your job to judge who people care about? Michael Jackson affected a lot of people. He was the biggest star in the world with the greatest selling album of all time. He affected lots of people. I don't see why you see fit to judge anyone for caring about his death.

1. I can judge whomever I wish, as others can judge me.
2. Biggest star in the world? I think not.
3. Biggest selling album of all time? Sure. Biggest freak of all time? Pretty damned close.

Studying defense law, aren't you? Have fun springing people like him.

DamnYankees: zabadu: Actually, you asked us not to be angry at Jackson, but to show compassion and understanding now that he's dead and can no longer harm anyone.

Well, not sure I 'asked' you to do anything. But otherwise that's correct.

You implored us to see your way of compassion and understanding. If you want to get into semantics...

DamnYankees: zabadu: Really? Because you haven't said that once.

I need to express my compassion for everyone? If you ask me, I'll tell you. They weren't the topic.

Obviously the victims were beside the point and not important TO YOU.

zabadu: You implored us to see your way of compassion and understanding. If you want to get into semantics...

I merely note that I think that's a better of interacting with the world. If you want to interpret that as me asking or imploring, fine. I'm more than happy to ask for more compassion and understanding from anyone.

WeenerGord: Obviously the victims were beside the point and not important TO YOU.

I try to extend sympathy and compassion for everyone. I'm somewhat amazed people think "have compassion" is a radical or weird statement.

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: Obviously the victims were beside the point and not important TO YOU.

I try to extend sympathy and compassion for everyone. I'm somewhat amazed people think "have compassion" is a radical or weird statement.

It is radical and weird when you want to apply it to sociopaths like Manson or Jackson.

zabadu: It is radical and weird when you want to apply it to sociopaths like Manson or Jackson.

Everyone means everyone. It does me no good to hate people.

DamnYankees: zabadu: There is a HUGE difference between someone being assassinated and the shock and grief that come from that and a pedophilic bleached musician that basically took his own life with no consideration for anyone other than himself. HUGE difference.

Is it really your job to judge who people care about? Michael Jackson affected a lot of people. He was the biggest star in the world with the greatest selling album of all time. He affected lots of people. I don't see why you see fit to judge anyone for caring about his death.

It is everyone's job to promote the truth. The truth is Michael Jackson was a pedophile, a man unworthy of the adoration currently being given to his musical legacy. By worshiping the musical legacy of Michael Jackson, you are giving credence to the current musical creation and distribution model responsible for the same seven songs being played over and over again on the radio, million dollar judgments for downloading 20 songs, and the the immediate destruction and discounting of anything even remotely resembling stylistic revolution within aural art.

I judge him for having horrible taste in music and even worse ability to assess character.

/He affected lots of people. By groping their genitals.

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: Obviously the victims were beside the point and not important TO YOU.

I try to extend sympathy and compassion for everyone. I'm somewhat amazed people think "have compassion" is a radical or weird statement.

It is when it is begged for as a coverup for crimes. shiat, MJ himself may have had more conscience than you. Maybe he couldn't sleep cos of the guilt. Maybe he kevorked himself to obtain the just punishment denied him by the courts.

WeenerGord: It is when it is begged for as a coverup for crimes.

I have done no such thing. Come on.

since i heard of Michael Jackson's passing I've been listening to a lot more Stevie Wonder.

PDF File?!! lol

DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

um, the general gushing of we've always loved him BS over remembering what he represented and the general worshipping of celebutards for number of records sold and new dance moves means the general public who forget what he was must be tards as well.

It's like this Billy if you want to have license to do whatever you want; get a good publicist, a toe tapping riff, some odd dance moves and you too can fark little boys, bleach your skin, cut off your nose to spite your ethnicity and when you die everyone will forget the weird stuff no one will care that you contributed to adding sick and twisted discussions and news stories to the world you raped financially.

I for one want my kids to be a better citizen than he was and not think fame is enviable. Also, David Carridine dying while whacking is not cool like Farkers say it's just twisted and stupid.

Fark that 36%. Listen to it on your farkin' Ipod.

GT_bike: DamnYankees: Excen: MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A PEDOPHILE



So? Can you explain to me what is gained by hating him after his death?

um, the general gushing of we've always loved him BS over remembering what he represented and the general worshipping of celebutards for number of records sold and new dance moves--

Let me stop you there. Michael Jackson didn't invent anything regarding dance. He stole the style of dance from James Brown and the moonwalk itself has been around since the 1950s. Check out the Wikipedia article. (click-pop)

/The King of Pop Kiddie-Fiddling

Oh, and the whole David Carradine thing is just funny.

/Death by Autoerotic Asphyxiation is Comedy Gold!

It's dying down for now.

But will surely make a comeback at the funeral.

Actually, Billie Jean is the one song I have yet to hear since his death.

What is this "radio" that you speak of?

zabadu: TXEric: Wow, this has turned into quite the pissing match!

I give him his props for his musical and dancing prowess; I remember vividly when Elvis took his Final Dump (I was 21, and thought my Mom was going to faint when Brokaw came on the news with, "The King is dead!"), and this situation is very similar.

I think he was weird, and have no idea what the truth is as far has his diddling little boys. I know that I wouldn't let my son sleep over at Neverland, for any reason.

That being said, I agree with the poster who mentioned Stevie Ray Vaughan.

/RIP, SRV.

Having lived thru Elvis' death, I can tell you that there was no "wall to wall" coverage back then, thank God.

Not sure what you mean by "living thru" Elvis' death (I was 21, and had been a working musician for several years at the time), but just to clarify - there was no internet, CNN, even cable, so Tom Brokaw leading off NBC Nightly News, followed by front-page coverage the next day in ALL the papers, certainly puts it on the same footing.

/Just sayin'
//My lawn, you know the drill...

DamnYankees: WeenerGord: It is when it is begged for as a coverup for crimes.

I have done no such thing. Come on.

If DamnYankees ever passes the bar, bet you he'll be doing some Pro-Bone-O work for NAMBLA.

TXEric: zabadu: TXEric: Wow, this has turned into quite the pissing match!

I give him his props for his musical and dancing prowess; I remember vividly when Elvis took his Final Dump (I was 21, and thought my Mom was going to faint when Brokaw came on the news with, "The King is dead!"), and this situation is very similar.

I think he was weird, and have no idea what the truth is as far has his diddling little boys. I know that I wouldn't let my son sleep over at Neverland, for any reason.

That being said, I agree with the poster who mentioned Stevie Ray Vaughan.

/RIP, SRV.

Having lived thru Elvis' death, I can tell you that there was no "wall to wall" coverage back then, thank God.

Not sure what you mean by "living thru" Elvis' death (I was 21, and had been a working musician for several years at the time), but just to clarify - there was no internet, CNN, even cable, so Tom Brokaw leading off NBC Nightly News, followed by front-page coverage the next day in ALL the papers, certainly puts it on the same footing.

/Just sayin'
//My lawn, you know the drill...

That's exactly what I meant. If you wanted all the Elvis news you could stomach, you had to go to Graceland and stand outside. Those of us who didn't really care didn't have to listen to it. Plus, it wasn't considered "news" back then to report on ever bit of minutia.

//my lawn...not as old as yours, but get off anyway!!

WeenerGord: DamnYankees: WeenerGord: It is when it is begged for as a coverup for crimes.

I have done no such thing. Come on.

If DamnYankees ever passes the bar, bet you he'll be doing some Pro-Bone-O work for NAMBLA.

LOL!

Freakjob_0: What about Billy Mays???

beating a dead hood?

I think a week was enough in the MJ coverage and that now it's time to focus on the other important things--like, other people who passed away and the problems in Iran.

I say this, while still listening to his music in a limited playlist on Winamp and soaking up EVERY bit of NEW news that I see about him while ignoring all the rest.

/it really should be in smaller headlines everywhere by now, at least...

100% are thankful that no more little boys see or suck on this freakshow's penis.

zabadu: If someone accused you of diddling their child, would you pay them off or go down fighting for your innocence? It was worth $20mil to Jackson to shut them down. Innocent people don't do that.

you know who else doesn't do that?

yeah--parents of children who were ACTUALLY abused. they don't settle for money without a trial, if not a public castration, if possible. unless they're greedy and don't care about their kids.

We're Americans,
celebrity worship in our country borders on religious zealotry.
Our media feeds us, and we lap it up.

We really, REALLY need Capt. Trips.
And worse, we deserve it.