UnspokenVoice: toonz: Codyl: Toonz: What do you care if someone pays someone else $20M for running a company into the ground? That's not your business. What if that company paid their CEO only $100k to run a giant company that hired 10,000 people? Should the governemnt not tax that person at all? Should the governement give them an extra bonus?

No and no. Leave people alone and let people pay each other whatever they want for providing a good or service. The government should tax people a fair % of their income... If I pay someone to do work for me and they do a terrible job the government shouldn't tax them a higher % because of it.

Cody

so the government gets to pay out welfare to the out of work while mr "Daddy got me into an ivy league school and someone did my homework for me" gets to buy waterfront homes #7 and 8?

fine we don't tax it, but how about a rule where your parachute gets a big percentage divided up by people who went on unemployment during your tenure BEFORE you get your share.

so mr makes 100k gets to keep all of his parachute for creating jobs, and Mr 20 mil gets 1 mil AND the 10000 people he put out of work get a "mere" $1900 (which they need MORE than he does, obviously) of his "reward"

way oversimplified. I know.

How about you keep your nose out of other people's business? I'll pay my employees what I want or what I can get away with, thanks. Don't like it? Get off your lazy black ass and get a job, do something other than feel self loathing and entitlement, and start a business of your own.

Wow. You are a real jackass you know that?
I am not black "I am a potato" and i take offense to that, What does color have to do with it? Never mind. KF LOOSER

We have to pay for his pension!

I got a small business.

I pay my employees, (ok, atm, there's one), a good wage and I make sure they get paid before I do.

This seems to be a great motivator.

You are all accused of ten counts of first degree murder. For $150,000 fee you can plead not guilty unless your name is Bill Gates then we will charge you $15,000,000,000. If you don't plead not guilty we will shoot you at dawn in front of an audience we paid a lot of money to watch you die.

/Coming soon to the Sci Fi Channel crappy movie of the week.

TheMysteriousStranger: You are all accused of ten counts of first degree murder. For $150,000 fee you can plead not guilty unless your name is Bill Gates then we will charge you $15,000,000,000. If you don't plead not guilty we will shoot you at dawn in front of an audience we paid a lot of money to watch you die.

/Coming soon to the Sci Fi Channel crappy movie of the week.

You forgot they will be changing the name. To SyFy...ICK makes my geek all itchy just thinking about it.

SFlaxx: UnspokenVoice: toonz: Codyl: Toonz: What do you care if someone pays someone else $20M for running a company into the ground? That's not your business. What if that company paid their CEO only $100k to run a giant company that hired 10,000 people? Should the governemnt not tax that person at all? Should the governement give them an extra bonus?

No and no. Leave people alone and let people pay each other whatever they want for providing a good or service. The government should tax people a fair % of their income... If I pay someone to do work for me and they do a terrible job the government shouldn't tax them a higher % because of it.

Cody

so the government gets to pay out welfare to the out of work while mr "Daddy got me into an ivy league school and someone did my homework for me" gets to buy waterfront homes #7 and 8?

fine we don't tax it, but how about a rule where your parachute gets a big percentage divided up by people who went on unemployment during your tenure BEFORE you get your share.

so mr makes 100k gets to keep all of his parachute for creating jobs, and Mr 20 mil gets 1 mil AND the 10000 people he put out of work get a "mere" $1900 (which they need MORE than he does, obviously) of his "reward"

way oversimplified. I know.

How about you keep your nose out of other people's business? I'll pay my employees what I want or what I can get away with, thanks. Don't like it? Get off your lazy black ass and get a job, do something other than feel self loathing and entitlement, and start a business of your own.

Wow. You are a real jackass you know that?
I am not black "I am a potato" and i take offense to that, What does color have to do with it? Never mind. KF LOOSER

So you're saying you are a fag? That's worse than being black. Get a job.

toonz: UnspokenVoice: toonz: Codyl: Toonz: What do you care if someone pays someone else $20M for running a company into the ground? That's not your business. What if that company paid their CEO only $100k to run a giant company that hired 10,000 people? Should the governemnt not tax that person at all? Should the governement give them an extra bonus?

No and no. Leave people alone and let people pay each other whatever they want for providing a good or service. The government should tax people a fair % of their income... If I pay someone to do work for me and they do a terrible job the government shouldn't tax them a higher % because of it.

Cody

so the government gets to pay out welfare to the out of work while mr "Daddy got me into an ivy league school and someone did my homework for me" gets to buy waterfront homes #7 and 8?

fine we don't tax it, but how about a rule where your parachute gets a big percentage divided up by people who went on unemployment during your tenure BEFORE you get your share.

so mr makes 100k gets to keep all of his parachute for creating jobs, and Mr 20 mil gets 1 mil AND the 10000 people he put out of work get a "mere" $1900 (which they need MORE than he does, obviously) of his "reward"

way oversimplified. I know.

How about you keep your nose out of other people's business? I'll pay my employees what I want or what I can get away with, thanks. Don't like it? Get off your lazy black ass and get a job, do something other than feel self loathing and entitlement, and start a business of your own.

i have a job.
grow up, tough guy.

Then go do it and maybe you'll get PAID instead of feeling like you are entitled to determine someone else's pay scale.

Phony_Soldier: And people wonder why we Republicans Libertarians want less government in our lives.

pandabear: Upon a few seconds further reflection, the cop should pay the fee if the case is dismissed. That would be fun.

That was funny.

/Power to the people!

If everyone got together and just didn't show up for court or pay for the ticket, Is the state going to jail most of its population?

Time for some civil disobedience.

toonz: atlanta_ufo: toonz: atlanta_ufo: toonz: so the government gets to pay out welfare to the out of work while mr "Daddy got me into an ivy league school and someone did my homework for me" gets to buy waterfront homes #7 and 8?


The latter sounds like John Kerry and his kids.

i can think of another guy like that too, used his MBA expertise to do a number on the economy because idiots thought he talked like them and that a reformed alcoholic was a good 'drinkin' buddy.
(then the Dems thought it was a good idea to run Kerry against him, because NOTHING captures the imagination of America like a silverspoon massachusetts 'liberal'

criminy. Fail on both sides.

/Kerry's a douche, but let's not play the 'only one side's shiat stinks' game. that's a huge part of the problem.


I agree, but it was a Mass. thread and he has 7 homes (at least at one time he did) and the kids went to Ivy League schools. That's why he came to mind. Now if it was a Texas thread... Anyway, happy 4th weekend :)

fair 'nuff. I have no love for Kerry.
Happy 4th to you too!

Actually, it could be both Senators from Massachusetts. We all know Teddy didn't make it into Harvard on his brains.

UnspokenVoice: Then go do it and maybe you'll get PAID instead of feeling like you are entitled to determine someone else's pay scale.

you don't actually run your own business, do you?

be honest, Mr. "The Plumber".

This violates due process and the 8th amendment. They can't punish you for using your right to plead not guilty.

devildog123: Actually, it could be both Senators from Massachusetts. We all know Teddy didn't make it into Harvard on his brains.

that too.

Teddy was smart enough to figure out how to cheat at Harvard... just not smart enough to get away with it.

...and ju$t like $peed camera$ - it'$ all about $afety and not revenue of cour$e

/$uck it - traffic cop$

mikkidee: Teddy was smart enough to figure out how to cheat at Harvard... just not smart enough to get away with it.

Please people.
A little respect.
That's all water under the bridge now.

toonz: mikkidee: Teddy was smart enough to figure out how to cheat at Harvard... just not smart enough to get away with it.

Please people.
A little respect.
That's all water under the bridge now.

Ooch!

Ah, I see they pull your hotlink AFTER it loads on the initial post.

So it goes.

"Ah, it's a profit deal!"

/hot
//obscure-ish?

If you've done nothing wrong, you don't have anything to worry about, right?

oh, wait...

/ can't stress enough how elated i am to have left that shiathole of a state
// can't stress enough how pissed off i am to still have to drive through it all the time

Codyl: Gurn

I can see you're not paying attention to what's going on in the news. All those billions of dollars that are coming from your taxes are being used by these failing companies to pay the bonuses and golden parachutes of the CEOs whose greed started our fiscal problems this time.

WireFire2: This violates due process and the 8th amendment. They can't punish you for using your right to plead not guilty.

I thought the 8th amendment only applied to the federal government

however...

From the Massachusetts Constitution:
Article XI: Every subject of the commonwealth ought to find a certain remedy, by having recourse to the laws, for all injuries or wrongs which he may receive in his person, property, or character. He ought to obtain right and justice freely, and without being obliged to purchase it; completely, and without any denial; promptly, and without delay; conformably to the laws.

Article XII. No subject shall be held to answer for any crimes or offence, until the same is fully and plainly, substantially and formally, described to him; or be compelled to accuse, or furnish evidence against himself. And every subject shall have a right to produce all proofs, that may be favorable to him; to meet the witnesses against him face to face, and to be fully heard in his defence by himself, or his council at his election. And no subject shall be arrested, imprisoned, despoiled, or deprived of his property, immunities, or privileges, put out of the protection of the law, exiled, or deprived of his life, liberty, or estate, but by the judgment of his peers, or the law of the land.

And the legislature shall not make any law, that shall subject any person to a capital or infamous punishment, excepting for the government of the army and navy, without trial by jury.

toonz: WireFire2: This violates due process and the 8th amendment. They can't punish you for using your right to plead not guilty.

I thought the 8th amendment only applied to the federal government

however...

From the Massachusetts Constitution:
Article XI: Every subject of the commonwealth ought to find a certain remedy, by having recourse to the laws, for all injuries or wrongs which he may receive in his person, property, or character. He ought to obtain right and justice freely, and without being obliged to purchase it; completely, and without any denial; promptly, and without delay; conformably to the laws.

Article XII. No subject shall be held to answer for any crimes or offence, until the same is fully and plainly, substantially and formally, described to him; or be compelled to accuse, or furnish evidence against himself. And every subject shall have a right to produce all proofs, that may be favorable to him; to meet the witnesses against him face to face, and to be fully heard in his defence by himself, or his council at his election. And no subject shall be arrested, imprisoned, despoiled, or deprived of his property, immunities, or privileges, put out of the protection of the law, exiled, or deprived of his life, liberty, or estate, but by the judgment of his peers, or the law of the land.

And the legislature shall not make any law, that shall subject any person to a capital or infamous punishment, excepting for the government of the army and navy, without trial by jury.

Nice find. I think you'll find that "conformably to the laws" means whatever the legislature passes conforms. They really don't care anymore. Ever since the PATRIOT Act, the bailout (among other things), the government has known that they can do ANYTHING without fear of repercussion by the public at large. It is purposeful and transparent now. Something serious needs to happen before it changes.

toonz: UnspokenVoice: Then go do it and maybe you'll get PAID instead of feeling like you are entitled to determine someone else's pay scale.

you don't actually run your own business, do you?

be honest, Mr. "The Plumber".

Technically, yes I do however, in the spirit of being a Farker... Nope, not any more really. I am retired, thankfully. All I do do now is not really a "business" but rather I do a few tours (I'm a guide in my old age) each year but that's mostly because I want to as opposed to needing to do so.

Do that whole work thing, I know it is a four letter word, and you can retire too. Stop wallowing in your deluded entitlement phase and get your nose out of other people's business and *gasp* that white picket fence in the country is achievable. If you spent more time DOING instead of saying "give me give me give me" when it concerns something that you didn't earn and aren't entitled to then, well, yeah - maybe you can be in a position to be an ethical workplace leader.

But no, you'll probably be content to whine on the internet and wallow until you've nothing left to wallow about. Instead of becoming the ethical CEO you think the world needs you'll pretend your opinion matters and then post it on Fark.

NOOO!!! LET US MAKE PAYING PEOPLE ILLEGAL! LET US NEGATE LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE SHARE I'M ENTITLED TO. NOO!!! LET'S BLAME THE CEO FOR farkING THE COMPANY OVER EVEN THOUGH I DO ONLY THE WORK REQUIRED TO NOT GET FIRED AND DEMAND EVERY BENEFIT KNOWN TO MAN AND A PAY RATE THAT IS WELL MORE THAN I AM WORTH!!!eleventy!!

Should I send you a baby bottle cleaner and a can of Boraxo so you can get the sand out of your vagina?

Oh, and could you top it off with premium unleaded and check my oil?

toonz: WireFire2: This violates due process and the 8th amendment. They can't punish you for using your right to plead not guilty.

I thought the 8th amendment only applied to the federal government

however...

From the Massachusetts Constitution:
Article XI: Every subject of the commonwealth ought to find a certain remedy, by having recourse to the laws, for all injuries or wrongs which he may receive in his person, property, or character. He ought to obtain right and justice freely, and without being obliged to purchase it; completely, and without any denial; promptly, and without delay; conformably to the laws.

Article XII. No subject shall be held to answer for any crimes or offence, until the same is fully and plainly, substantially and formally, described to him; or be compelled to accuse, or furnish evidence against himself. And every subject shall have a right to produce all proofs, that may be favorable to him; to meet the witnesses against him face to face, and to be fully heard in his defence by himself, or his council at his election. And no subject shall be arrested, imprisoned, despoiled, or deprived of his property, immunities, or privileges, put out of the protection of the law, exiled, or deprived of his life, liberty, or estate, but by the judgment of his peers, or the law of the land.

And the legislature shall not make any law, that shall subject any person to a capital or infamous punishment, excepting for the government of the army and navy, without trial by jury.

The 14th Amendment demands the same rights of the states as it does of the feds. I don't think an innocence tax is going to hold up.

toonz: mreuther: Ahh, the Democratic People's Republic of Massachusetts, where the police shoot you and then charge you for the bullet. Maybe we can get to work on some sanctions.

I'm sorry, nationalized socialist utopia Michigan, did you just say something? The rest of America couldn't hear you over the sound of all our money being sucked into your pitiful, incompetent state.

Two words: Big Dig

Phony_Soldier: And people wonder why we Republicans want less government in our lives.

Nothing wrong with that except it's a farking LIE! and folks like you falls hook line and sinker.

Last I checked Bush made the goverment 10000X bigger than what it needs to! probably short of being a dadgum police state!
Go be a hipocrite somewhere else.

Difference between a Republican and a Democrat is Republicans do an exact 180 on what they say whereas Democrats just lie.

mreuther: toonz: mreuther: Ahh, the Democratic People's Republic of Massachusetts, where the police shoot you and then charge you for the bullet. Maybe we can get to work on some sanctions.

I'm sorry, nationalized socialist utopia Michigan, did you just say something? The rest of America couldn't hear you over the sound of all our money being sucked into your pitiful, incompetent state.

Two words: Big Dig

six words:
touché.
I owe you a beer.

UnspokenVoice: toonz: UnspokenVoice: Then go do it and maybe you'll get PAID instead of feeling like you are entitled to determine someone else's pay scale.

you don't actually run your own business, do you?

be honest, Mr. "The Plumber".

Technically, yes I do however, in the spirit of being a Farker... Nope, not any more really. I am retired, thankfully. All I do do now is not really a "business" but rather I do a few tours (I'm a guide in my old age) each year but that's mostly because I want to as opposed to needing to do so.

oh wow. you do tours in the sticks. yeah no one can do thaaaaaaat. I work a fulltime job and run a business on the side -not because I have to either (i guess i'm just lazy and entitled). I have my reasons for no longer doing it full time. I have worked years at a time with out a vacation so spare me your cock-sucking ex-hippie baby boomer turned republican once your selfish ass made your own money pontifications. you people are the worst of the worst, I look forward to enjoying you in my Soylent Green.

Do that whole work thing, I know it is a four letter word, and you can retire too. Stop wallowing in your deluded entitlement phase and get your nose out of other people's business and *gasp* that white picket fence in the country is achievable. If you spent more time DOING instead of saying "give me give me give me" when it concerns something that you didn't earn and aren't entitled to then, well, yeah - maybe you can be in a position to be an ethical workplace leader.

ex hippie douche is telling me how EASY it is to run businesses these days because he did it years ago. lol. sorry pops. when the dreams are a little higher than the mayberry general store a little elbow grease still requires the backing of VC's (waits for you to look up "VC") and some other things to fall into place no matter how much effort you and your Ivy league business partners put into it (not Ivy league meself, but they didn't seem to have a problem with me being part of the team). Incidentally, without going into too much detail part of the last venture's failure, I'm convinced is BECAUSE we tried to be ethical and responsible, but whatever. we'll try something different next time... see if it sticks.


But no, you'll probably be content to whine on the internet and wallow until you've nothing left to wallow about. Instead of becoming the ethical CEO you think the world needs you'll pretend your opinion matters and then post it on Fark.

your opinion here matters equally, yay you. I'll say whatever the f*ck i want on the internet. like "suck my dick, you old queen". for instance

NOOO!!! LET US MAKE PAYING PEOPLE ILLEGAL! LET US NEGATE LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE SHARE I'M ENTITLED TO. NOO!!! LET'S BLAME THE CEO FOR farkING THE COMPANY OVER EVEN THOUGH I DO ONLY THE WORK REQUIRED TO NOT GET FIRED AND DEMAND EVERY BENEFIT KNOWN TO MAN AND A PAY RATE THAT IS WELL MORE THAN I AM WORTH!!!eleventy!!

lol. so workers living paycheck to paycheck already should renogotiate contracts or face unemployemnt, but mulitmillionaires' contracts are "Sacred" that's delightful. If some dickwad ran my company into the ground I'd at least CONSIDER trying to recoup the losses, but I'm wacky like that.

(i'm not living paycheck to paycheck, incidentally. some of us view injustice in terms other than themselves. I know you boomers don't get that one -you sexy hard working ex hippie douchebags. I'm doing fine. I can drive up to your beloved Maine right now and buy a house, but i like good restaurants, good hospitals, and some things I couldn't find when I lived up there. Plus your winters suck. People are generally nice though a little high on themselves for ignorant non-traveled types but that's to be expected.


Should I send you a baby bottle cleaner and a can of Boraxo so you can get the sand out of your vagina?

please do. like I give a f*ck.

Oh, and could you top it off with premium unleaded and check my oil?

lol. sure! and while we're at it why don't you go down to the moving pictures house and watch a talkie? Gas station attendants, how quaintly esoteric for someone pretending to have a clue about the current times.

i suppose you think that any ol' boy with an 8th grade education can get behind the yoke of a mustang and take out them-thar zeros and be a real air force hero these days too.

/been a while since i worked at a gas station and that kind of full service was outdated then. But thanks for playing, dinosaur.farking boomers.

A fellow "American" had to think up this "law". Answers a lot of questions I've had about my fellow Americans.

/I'm from your government, and I'm here to help

toonz: UnspokenVoice: toonz: UnspokenVoice: Then go do it and maybe you'll get PAID instead of feeling like you are entitled to determine someone else's pay scale.

you don't actually run your own business, do you?

be honest, Mr. "The Plumber".

Technically, yes I do however, in the spirit of being a Farker... Nope, not any more really. I am retired, thankfully. All I do do now is not really a "business" but rather I do a few tours (I'm a guide in my old age) each year but that's mostly because I want to as opposed to needing to do so.

oh wow. you do tours in the sticks. yeah no one can do thaaaaaaat. I work a fulltime job and run a business on the side -not because I have to either (i guess i'm just lazy and entitled). I have my reasons for no longer doing it full time. I have worked years at a time with out a vacation so spare me your cock-sucking ex-hippie baby boomer turned republican once your selfish ass made your own money pontifications. you people are the worst of the worst, I look forward to enjoying you in my Soylent Green.

Do that whole work thing, I know it is a four letter word, and you can retire too. Stop wallowing in your deluded entitlement phase and get your nose out of other people's business and *gasp* that white picket fence in the country is achievable. If you spent more time DOING instead of saying "give me give me give me" when it concerns something that you didn't earn and aren't entitled to then, well, yeah - maybe you can be in a position to be an ethical workplace leader.

ex hippie douche is telling me how EASY it is to run businesses these days because he did it years ago. lol. sorry pops. when the dreams are a little higher than the mayberry general store a little elbow grease still requires the backing of VC's (waits for you to look up "VC") and some other things to fall into place no matter how much effort you and your Ivy league business partners put into it (not Ivy league meself, but they didn't seem to have a problem with me being part of the team). Incidentally, without going into too much detail part of the last venture's failure, I'm convinced is BECAUSE we tried to be ethical and responsible, but whatever. we'll try something different next time... see if it sticks.


But no, you'll probably be content to whine on the internet and wallow until you've nothing left to wallow about. Instead of becoming the ethical CEO you think the world needs you'll pretend your opinion matters and then post it on Fark.

your opinion here matters equally, yay you. I'll say whatever the f*ck i want on the internet. like "suck my dick, you old queen". for instance

NOOO!!! LET US MAKE PAYING PEOPLE ILLEGAL! LET US NEGATE LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE SHARE I'M ENTITLED TO. NOO!!! LET'S BLAME THE CEO FOR farkING THE COMPANY OVER EVEN THOUGH I DO ONLY THE WORK REQUIRED TO NOT GET FIRED AND DEMAND EVERY BENEFIT KNOWN TO MAN AND A PAY RATE THAT IS WELL MORE THAN I AM WORTH!!!eleventy!!

lol. so workers living paycheck to paycheck already should renogotiate contracts or face unemployemnt, but mulitmillionaires' contracts are "Sacred" that's delightful. If some dickwad ran my company into the ground I'd at least CONSIDER trying to recoup the losses, but I'm wacky like that.

(i'm not living paycheck to paycheck, incidentally. some of us view injustice in terms other than themselves. I know you boomers don't get that one -you sexy hard working ex hippie douchebags. I'm doing fine. I can drive up to your beloved Maine right now and buy a house, but i like good restaurants, good hospitals, and some things I couldn't find when I lived up there. Plus your winters suck. People are generally nice though a little high on themselves for ignorant non-traveled types but that's to be expected.


Should I send you a baby bottle cleaner and a can of Boraxo so you can get the sand out of your vagina?

please do. like I give a f*ck.

Could you top it off with premium unleaded and check my oil?

lol. sure! and while we're at it why don't you go down to the moving pictures house and watch a ...

mmmhmmm... dumbass kids.... "douchebag" boomers...

I'm gonna let both of you fatheads in on a little secret.

The winner's circle?

It's a marble orchard.

Suckers.

And NOBODY will stand over your rotting ass and say "they were a credit to their generation's whiny BS".

Is it bad that the internet is able to bring me information that makes me want to kill people on a nearly daily basis? Maybe I should get some tranqs or something.

CalvinMorallis: tombotia: CalvinMorallis: You jerks just need to learn to slow down. If you don't want to pay a fine, then don't drive by a cop who's having a bad day.

Now excuse me, while I go drive in the left lane for the next 50 miles, being sure that my speedometer is at least 15 below the speed limit.

Because only assholes don't do things my way!

So the opposite of speeding is going below the limit? This is why real people don't consider whiners [re: speeders] arguments seriously.


Are real people kind of like real Americans?

And besides, I was just being a jackass for the heck of it. You, however, seem to actually be a jackass :D

Real as in adults who take responsibility for their actions. As oppose to false people who float through life blaming everyone else for all the shiat that happens to them.

And yes, I do work at being a jackass, because I'm a real jackass :-)

bunner

re: winner's circle.

to be honest, I agree with you. yes, even about my pissed off -and yes, i know pretty silly comments. (I never claim to deeply believe the crap that pops off the top of my head to be my deep-seeded beliefs.)

I just hate jackasses who keep trying to perpetuate the "just work hard and you'll be rich" myth.

lots of people work hard... innovate even... Even *gasp*, start their own businesses. Doesn't always work out. I find it funny that he seems to think the captain shouldn't go down with the ship, but the women and children in steerage should. because it's in the "contract".

how many millions does one bad executive really need? isn't gobs of money supposed to be the reward for "success"?

cheers.

/yes. I'm a douche. I know. No, I don't really hate all boomers. and yes, my generation whines too much.

toonz: I just hate jackasses who keep trying to perpetuate the "just work hard and you'll be rich" myth.

Hard work is how you make other people wealthy. Wealth is what you get when you learn a way to move so much money at once, that you an get other people to do all the work FOR you for a fraction of the amount. Here's what ELSE they don't tell you - It's not all that important. What you leave behind should be greater than the sum of the parts. That's your scorecard. Money is a useful tool, and nothing more and it ain't the whole game.. If you seek wealth for comfort, for you and yours, you may just find it. If you seek power, it will ultimately leave you hated, envied and despised.

Wealth, btw, is not paper money or credit. That's debt.

Wealth is gold, silver, platinum, certain jewels, real estate titled as arable land and certain hard chattel assets.

Ask Jefferson. (*poik*)