gulogulo:

You're very selective in what you choose to read and respond to.

Sometimes it pays to ignore the red herrings besides work can be so distracting.

jso2897: Dictatorial_Flair: jso2897: Actually, there's a lot of imagined superiority on both sides of the argument. If it makes you feel any better, as far as I'm concerned you can live on Pixie-Stix, if you feel like it, and do so with my blessings. It's none of my damn business.

I tried that once. The heartburn was epic.

If you're that sensitive, you probably don't want to hear about the results of my all-Vegemite diet experiment.

That sounds special. My dad is always trying to make me eat marmite when I go visit him.

I guess it wasn't really a "diet." I bought two of those huge boxes of foot-long pixie stix from Sam's Club and proceeded to eat almost nothing else for the better part of three days. They're nothing but acidic sugar, so it did a lot of stringent burny stuff to my mouth and throat.

Jubeebee: splatterbabble: I once asked a vegan friend if he bit his fingernails. He said sure, and when I questioned if it was against his vegan-ness, he said no because he didn't enslave his fingernails first.

Then he did some cocaine since it's vegan, too.

People like this confuse me. Domestication is just about the best thing that can happen to a species. They rarely have to worry about predators, never have to search for food or water, get to mate often, and at the end they die relatively painlessly.

Sure, things like veal farming can be cruel, but for your average piggy, living on a meat ranch must beat living in the wild.

Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Is the life of a farm animal the life you would wish upon yourself or your family?

When I think of the way we treat animals as being inhumane, I don't think it's because we're being cruel to animals, but more of us being a brutal species ourselves.

Disclaimer: I only refer to the factory-style ranches.

gulogulo: sluck604: Interesting... I seemed to suggest those very thing to people who want to eat meat.

Then we are fundamentally advocating for the same things...

Probably. I'd add cutting down the quantities... in the extreme. Like I said earlier, my diet would probably be healthier if I ate meat a handful of times a month. I think most people would be healthier if they limited eating meat to handful of times a month.

*shrug*

Mr. Vincent Vega: Hot as a slow smoked pork shoulder.

Came for thiss....leaving satisfied

nosferatublue: Retort: You are what you eat. Eat bones.


I eat pure awesome.

THIS

flyurchin: tastes_like_chicken: I'm eating bacon right now, which only makes this thread more fun to read!

I'm sure you're feeling just so great right now.

Actually no, I'm sad.

Because my bacon is all gone. I eated it. :(

When I was in graduate school (for library science - yay for naughty librarians!), there was a clique of folks I dubbed the "Vegan Mafia" - self-absorbed hipsters runnin' around screaming about how delicious their tempeh was all the time in a passive aggressive better-than-you kind of way. I rolled my eyes strenuously every time they acted up, but as far as I'm concerned, that just means MORE BACON FOR ME!

Reminds me of my favorite knock knock joke:
Knock knock!
Who's there?
Vegan!
Vegan who?
I'M BETTER THAN YOU!!!!

lukelightning: Brittle bones? But I always drink plenty of...

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Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku!: kabloink: "There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said."

I love how they sneaked that in there. So, basically eating lots of meat had little to do with the bone density. What mattered was eating food with high sources of calcium like dairy products.

Seriously, that's a criminally misleading headline.

/ don't eat red meat
// never broken a bone (and not through lack of trying)
/// anecdote = data

If you do the move you're named after and still haven't broken any bones AND don't eat red meat, that is just AWESOME!

davideo_games: Jubeebee: splatterbabble: I once asked a vegan friend if he bit his fingernails. He said sure, and when I questioned if it was against his vegan-ness, he said no because he didn't enslave his fingernails first.

Then he did some cocaine since it's vegan, too.

People like this confuse me. Domestication is just about the best thing that can happen to a species. They rarely have to worry about predators, never have to search for food or water, get to mate often, and at the end they die relatively painlessly.

Sure, things like veal farming can be cruel, but for your average piggy, living on a meat ranch must beat living in the wild.

Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Is the life of a farm animal the life you would wish upon yourself or your family?

When I think of the way we treat animals as being inhumane, I don't think it's because we're being cruel to animals, but more of us being a brutal species ourselves.

Disclaimer: I only refer to the factory-style ranches.

WTF is with this? Inhumane treatment of a pig? Of course it's being treated inhumanely - IT'S A PIG, NOT A HUMAN. You really think pigs in the wild are having a gay old time as they run from natural predators intent on eating them alive? I'm not saying we shouldbe totally unethical and unnecesarily cruel with the treatment of animals, but this is just out of control.

Im about to gorge myself at a an awesome Argentinian meat buffet. so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

/honestly if I cant have a good steak or some bacon, why bother living a long life? It would be like prolonged torture.

tastes_like_chicken: flyurchin: tastes_like_chicken: I'm eating bacon right now, which only makes this thread more fun to read!

I'm sure you're feeling just so great right now.

Actually no, I'm sad.

Because my bacon is all gone. I eated it. :(

When I was in graduate school (for library science - yay for naughty librarians!), there was a clique of folks I dubbed the "Vegan Mafia" - self-absorbed hipsters runnin' around screaming about how delicious their tempeh was all the time in a passive aggressive better-than-you kind of way. I rolled my eyes strenuously every time they acted up, but as far as I'm concerned, that just means MORE BACON FOR ME!

Reminds me of my favorite knock knock joke:
Knock knock!
Who's there?
Vegan!
Vegan who?
I'M BETTER THAN YOU!!!!

Your vegan mafia people sound awfully annoying, but coming into a thread just to announce that you're eating meat and that it's so wicked cool is annoying in pretty much the same way.

Reminds me of a non-existent knock knock joke:
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Meat-eater!
Meat-eater who?
AREN'T VEGANS STUPID AND MEAT EATERS ARE REALLY COOL!

See what I'm sayin'?

flyurchin: dittybopper: flyurchin:

Also, my vegan girlfriend is healthier than most people I know.

You want to know one major problem with a vegan lifestyle?

It requires importing food from all over the place. Veganism contributes to global warming.

What kind of food are your vegans eating?

We get locally grown vegetables from the store and lots of rice. Then there are things like frozen burritos, tofu, tempeh, soy milk, etc. I don't think these things are coming from places farther away than most omnivores' foods.

True, but omnivores *COULD* have a healthy diet based solely on local foods, and in fact mostly did so right up until less than 100 years or so ago. Some still do it today, though it's less common in the developed world.

There is no place on Earth where you could live a completely healthy long-term vegan diet on just what grows locally. Eventually, things like B₁₂ and calcium deficiencies start becoming an issue.

This is why we evolved to be omnivores.

Lacto-ovo-vegemite-arianism will supply those nutrients adequately, but that isn't veganism.

Dangl1ng Quote 2009-07-02 10:40:43 AM
Lately I have been thinking about going vegetarian. But not your normal vegetarian. I have some friends from El Salvador and they said that when they lived there, meat was a very expensive thing. You don't just kill a cow because it's dinner, you kill a cow because there is a celebration. It's my birthday, MEAT!! It's Christmas, let's slaughter a pig. So I have been considering doing something like that.
I've been watching things on factory farming, and honestly, it makes me sick just thinking about the meat that I eat. I want my hamburger to have led a happy life before it visited my plate. I want my bacon to be happy. Not standing in it's own feces, filled with hormones and antibiotics. Sometimes these animals are penned in their same cage for their entire life and then the first steps they take is to be led to the slaughter house.

It's just not right.

Man up nancy. You can find a butcher and get totally locally raised food. Having meat less often might be a good idea for many Americans, But if you eat the way your grandparents taught you then you will have a healthy, well balanced grouping of some meat, some fish, fresh greens, and lots of fruits and veggies.

t3knomanser: splatterbabble: Weaker bones versus colon cancer. Hmmm...

You realize, there's a happy medium. The colon cancer risks arise mostly because people are eating too much meat. The cancer risk is not caused by meat, but by an unhealthy diet.

A healthy diet can include meat, but meat should never be the main part of a dish.

Most discussions of veg vs non-veg diets are limited by the fact that they lump everyone into one of those categories, when in reality it's many types of diets.

They should really start comparing meat eaters who also eat Cheetos vs those that don't, meat eaters who exercise vs those that don't, people who have more than 3 types of gravy in their fridge vs those that don't, etc.

iollow: t3knomanser: splatterbabble: Weaker bones versus colon cancer. Hmmm...

You realize, there's a happy medium. The colon cancer risks arise mostly because people are eating too much meat. The cancer risk is not caused by meat, but by an unhealthy diet.

A healthy diet can include meat, but meat should never be the main part of a dish.

Most discussions of veg vs non-veg diets are limited by the fact that they lump everyone into one of those categories, when in reality it's many types of diets.

They should really start comparing meat eaters who also eat Cheetos vs those that don't, meat eaters who exercise vs those that don't, people who have more than 3 types of gravy in their fridge vs those that don't, etc.

We don't have time for sensible answers, just poo flinging.

dittybopper: True, but omnivores *COULD* have a healthy diet based solely on local foods, and in fact mostly did so right up until less than 100 years or so ago. Some still do it today, though it's less common in the developed world.

There is no place on Earth where you could live a completely healthy long-term vegan diet on just what grows locally. Eventually, things like B12 and calcium deficiencies start becoming an issue.

This is why we evolved to be omnivores.

Lacto-ovo-vegemite-arianism will supply those nutrients adequately, but that isn't veganism.

I try to keep my healthy omnivore diet local and organic, but I'm not going to exclude certain foods just to do that (though I can't think of any off the top of my head). Anyway, I know that there's no way to guarantee that I've significantly reduced my environmental impact.

But you're right about there being no place on Earth where you could have completely healthy long-term vegan diet on just what grows locally. You need vitamins and/or supplements, which probably aren't local, but so what?

Yes, we evolved into omnivores. But now we can make vitamins and process vegetables and their parts into a million different delicious and healthy things. We're smart like that, and I don't know about you, but I'm not entirely concerned with the evolution of our speicies. Instead, I'm more concerned about what's for dinner.

Just because we've evolved this way and can be omnivores, doesn't mean we have to be. We can choose to eat differently and still live healthy lives.

Dangl1ng: Lately I have been thinking about going vegetarian. But not your normal vegetarian. I have some friends from El Salvador and they said that when they lived there, meat was a very expensive thing. You don't just kill a cow because it's dinner, you kill a cow because there is a celebration. It's my birthday, MEAT!! It's Christmas, let's slaughter a pig. So I have been considering doing something like that.
I've been watching things on factory farming, and honestly, it makes me sick just thinking about the meat that I eat. I want my hamburger to have led a happy life before it visited my plate. I want my bacon to be happy. Not standing in it's own feces, filled with hormones and antibiotics. Sometimes these animals are penned in their same cage for their entire life and then the first steps they take is to be led to the slaughter house.

It's just not right.

While I agree with the sentiment on factory farming... but having lived on a dairy farm, I would not include "standing in its own feces."

My bedrrom window was literally about 15 feet from heifer pasture. It was a huge pasture but they all pooped near the fence where they liked to stand and scratch their necks on the barbed wire (not kidding). Not only did they stand in it, they lay down in it often, and sometimes get pooped on by another.

One time, when the salt lick got old and it took a week to get a new one, I saw a couple of the heifers drinking pee coming out of another one.

So, I'll go ahead and wager they don't mind standing in their own poo.

/also had no problem eating the hamburger I fed them once
//yes, I might be a little "off" myself

I don't think I finished this sentence in my last post:

Anyway, I know that there's no way to guarantee that I've significantly reduced my environmental impact...

if I tried eating only local, organic foods.

davideo_games: Jubeebee: splatterbabble: I once asked a vegan friend if he bit his fingernails. He said sure, and when I questioned if it was against his vegan-ness, he said no because he didn't enslave his fingernails first.

Then he did some cocaine since it's vegan, too.

People like this confuse me. Domestication is just about the best thing that can happen to a species. They rarely have to worry about predators, never have to search for food or water, get to mate often, and at the end they die relatively painlessly.

Sure, things like veal farming can be cruel, but for your average piggy, living on a meat ranch must beat living in the wild.

Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither.

Is the life of a farm animal the life you would wish upon yourself or your family?

When I think of the way we treat animals as being inhumane, I don't think it's because we're being cruel to animals, but more of us being a brutal species ourselves.

Disclaimer: I only refer to the factory-style ranches.

A few things:

First, animals are incapable of choosing between freedom and security because the concept of freedom does not exist to them. The concepts of food, shelter, and mating do. Trying to apply that quote to animals is silly and delusional.

Second, I'm a Humanist capital H. I don't believe animals have the same rights humans do, so your analogy between my family and the larval forms of bacon and steak does not apply. As I've said before, the only reason Humanists don't eat all the pandas is because it makes us happier to awwwwww at them. PETA loves us.

And humans are absolutely a brutal species. We've wiped out entire families of species with nothing but spears. Top of the food chain, baby.

All of that SAID, we do have a responsibility to make sure the animals we raise for food are treated well. But it's not because animals have rights, it's because the end product is healthier for consumption if the animals have good food, clean living quarters, few chemical injections, and room to move around.

Its not about the diet. Its what the diet says about you and your warped sense of values.

If you've ever been around chickens for any length of time, you will have no trouble whatsoever killing and eating them. They are super annoying.

If you've ever been around pigs for any length of time, same thing, but pigs are smart and mean. Plus they're a magical animal that gives us bacon, ham, pork chops, hocks for my bean soup, et cetera.

Cows are an animal of convenience. Buffalo is better by far, as is venison and elk. Heck even ostrich blows beef away [and yes, ostrich is a red meat] I loves me a tasty cowboy-cut ribeye [and the schnauzer loves the leftover bone] but given my druthers, I'll take an elk porterhouse any day of the week.

I can't stand lamb, though. It has a 'grey' taste to it.

Knock Knock.
Who's there?
Interrupting cow.
Nom nom nom.

lukelightning: Knock Knock.
Who's there?
Interrupting cow.
Nom nom nom.

I lol'd.

Ball of Confusion: Its not about the diet. Its what the diet says about you and your warped sense of values.

If you've ever been around chickens for any length of time, you will have no trouble whatsoever killing and eating them. They are super annoying.



Even more annoying is having taken the trouble to raise a few miserable chickens to slaughter, then we you're cleaning one you pop the stupid gallblader and ruin most of the goddamned thing.

The way I see it, there is a fundamental human need to feel superior to other humans. I figure it's better to feel superior because of one's dietary choice (be it meat or no-meat) than because of one's skin color, gender, or whatever.

jso2897: Dictatorial_Flair: jso2897: Actually, there's a lot of imagined superiority on both sides of the argument. If it makes you feel any better, as far as I'm concerned you can live on Pixie-Stix, if you feel like it, and do so with my blessings. It's none of my damn business.

I tried that once. The heartburn was epic.

If you're that sensitive, you probably don't want to hear about the results of my all-Vegemite diet experiment.

How long did that last? 2 meals...maybe? Man that crap is NASTY!

Farkwaddle: jso2897: Dictatorial_Flair: jso2897: Actually, there's a lot of imagined superiority on both sides of the argument. If it makes you feel any better, as far as I'm concerned you can live on Pixie-Stix, if you feel like it, and do so with my blessings. It's none of my damn business.

I tried that once. The heartburn was epic.

If you're that sensitive, you probably don't want to hear about the results of my all-Vegemite diet experiment.

How long did that last? 2 meals...maybe? Man that crap is NASTY!

I like Vegemite. I like it a lot.

flyurchin:
Just because we've evolved this way and can be omnivores, doesn't mean we have to be. We can choose to eat differently and still live healthy lives.

I'd rather not fight evolution.

/This is where I start comparing vegans to fundamentalist christians, for those who just entered the arena.

I'm assuming that nobody here has a problem with eating dogs.

/try it
//actually, don't, it tastes horrible

Scientists prove that vegetarians vegans have weaker bones. Suck it brittle bones

FTFY, smitty. Shocker - people who don't consume dairy products have weak bones.

In other news, water is wet, sky is blue, and eating too much meat will kill you.

jrchan: I'm assuming that nobody here has a problem with eating dogs.

/try it
//actually, don't, it tastes horrible

I'd have no problem with trying it.

I do think we ignore some of the most abundant forms of protein, too. :) I'd love to try insects.

dittybopper: flyurchin:
Just because we've evolved this way and can be omnivores, doesn't mean we have to be. We can choose to eat differently and still live healthy lives.

I'd rather not fight evolution.

/This is where I start comparing vegans to fundamentalist christians, for those who just entered the arena.

But what does "fighting evolution" mean? In one sense, most aspects of technology developed by humans be considered fighting evolution. From another perspective, eating a healthy vegan diet and having a healthy lifestyle could be seen as contributing to the evolutionary process, as people who eat too much genetically altered meat from environmentally destructive meat factories get cancer and die out.

From another perspective, it is very silly to make statements like these because you can't really fight or join evolution. Evolution just happens. But we still can make choices about our diet. And with my girlfriend as a shining example, you can still live a healthy life with a vegan diet - and she even comes Fark-ready, as in she's not the "in your face, you animal killer" vegan at all.

/she makes me wash pans I cook meat in though, whatevs

You know what's funny? I've seen about a hundred times more "lol, vegetarians are stupid meat-eaters" than I have "lol, meat-eaters are stupid" vegetarians.

Pxtl: You know what's funny? I've seen about a hundred times more "lol, vegetarians are stupid meat-eaters" than I have "lol, meat-eaters are stupid" vegetarians.

I think it's hardly funny. I can't believe people get so worked up about either.

Pxtl: You know what's funny? I've seen about a hundred times more "lol, vegetarians are stupid meat-eaters" than I have "lol, meat-eaters are stupid" vegetarians.

Well that's simple proportions. More meat eaters than there are vegetarians.

jrchan: I'm assuming that nobody here has a problem with eating dogs.

/try it
//actually, don't, it tastes horrible

I like Chinese food.

Day_Old_Dutchie: It seems that females get into the whole vegetarian thing (in my family at least) for two main reasons: "Awww, think of the poor little animals" and to lose weight.

You also see weak willed men that give up meat in order to have some kind of common bond with the females. These guys will do anything to try and get laid, including give up meat, pretend to be your friend, see shiatty movies, go dancing, any other emasculating act you can think of.

flyurchin: dittybopper: flyurchin:
Just because we've evolved this way and can be omnivores, doesn't mean we have to be. We can choose to eat differently and still live healthy lives.

I'd rather not fight evolution.

/This is where I start comparing vegans to fundamentalist christians, for those who just entered the arena.

But what does "fighting evolution" mean? In one sense, most aspects of technology developed by humans be considered fighting evolution. From another perspective, eating a healthy vegan diet and having a healthy lifestyle could be seen as contributing to the evolutionary process, as people who eat too much genetically altered meat from environmentally destructive meat factories get cancer and die out.

From another perspective, it is very silly to make statements like these because you can't really fight or join evolution. Evolution just happens. But we still can make choices about our diet. And with my girlfriend as a shining example, you can still live a healthy life with a vegan diet - and she even comes Fark-ready, as in she's not the "in your face, you animal killer" vegan at all.

/she makes me wash pans I cook meat in though, whatevs

You know, this is Fark, and we've been known to take things unseriously.

Pxtl: You know what's funny? I've seen about a hundred times more "lol, vegetarians are stupid meat-eaters" than I have "lol, meat-eaters are stupid" vegetarians.

You mean in every vegetarian thread on Fark, ever?

What I find funny is that IRL, the only ones that seem to have a problem with vegetarianism are the overweight, basement dwelling slobs. I've gotten along fine with pretty much every hunter and even the more redneck guys I've ever met. They might ask a bunch of questions about me being vegan, but never call me stupid or tell me I'm not eating healthy foods. Get some WoW nerd though who only knows how to fry bacon and apparently my existence is personally offensive to them.

Headline: Vegetarian diet 'weakens bones'

TFA: There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians

ever wonder where a cow gets all that calcium for its milk..............


study funded by the Meat Industry, no doubt.....

dittybopper: You know, this is Fark, and we've been known to take things unseriously.

Oh shi-

We're you joking about the fighting evolution thing? It's hard to read the sarcasm sometimes. I didn't think i was getting too serious about that or anything. In fact, I was trying to say that it seems too ridiculous to get too serious about all this.

1. Put snakes on plane: Pxtl: You know what's funny? I've seen about a hundred times more "lol, vegetarians are stupid meat-eaters" than I have "lol, meat-eaters are stupid" vegetarians.

You mean in every vegetarian thread on Fark, ever?

What I find funny is that IRL, the only ones that seem to have a problem with vegetarianism are the overweight, basement dwelling slobs. I've gotten along fine with pretty much every hunter and even the more redneck guys I've ever met. They might ask a bunch of questions about me being vegan, but never call me stupid or tell me I'm not eating healthy foods. Get some WoW nerd though who only knows how to fry bacon and apparently my existence is personally offensive to them.

Actually, its only a problem if you get OUT of the basement and try dating one of those people. If you aren't trying to get in her pants, then there's no reason to care about keeping her happy with good food.

flyurchin:

Your vegan mafia people sound awfully annoying, but coming into a thread just to announce that you're eating meat and that it's so wicked cool is annoying in pretty much the same way.

Reminds me of a non-existent knock knock joke:
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Meat-eater!
Meat-eater who?
AREN'T VEGANS STUPID AND MEAT EATERS ARE REALLY COOL!

See what I'm sayin'?

Wow, thanks for being a total turdburgler and missing my point entirely! I wasn't making fun of all vegans or vegetarians, just the ANNOYING better-than-you ones of my own experience.

As for coming into a thread "just to announce I'm eating meat" - I'm sorry but in my mind it seemed perfectly on topic, seeing as how this is a thread about eating meat or not eating meat. I came across the thread while eating bacon for breakfast and it struck me as amusing that these two things would happen simultaneously. It also was said just in jest, thanks for asking. If I'd said I was eating local organic soy bacon, would you have had the same reaction I wonder?

Also, thanks for putting words in my mouth, since I never said anything about how "wicked cool" it is. I'm sorry if I bruised your ever-so-tender feelings by simply noting (apparently inappropriately) that I was eating a meat product (the KING of all meat products in my personal, biased, and in no way representative of all meat eaters opinion) in a vegetarian/omnivore discussion.

But if you re-read my initial words, I hope you'll realize I didn't mean any offense and was just trying to add a bit of silly levity to a thread which seemed to be getting kind of hostile. Thanks so much for perpetuating that hate!
/sarcasm

In my opinion, eating all organic and local and environmentally consciously is a very nice goal, and one that I try to practice when I can - but ultimately, and unfortunately, it's a luxury. Those of us just trying to make an honest wage and get food on the table for our families can't always afford to make the decisions that are theoretically best for the planet. There's no way for humans to survive that doesn't have some kind of impact on the planet. Whether some of that impact is "good" or "bad" is up for debate.

We all prioritize living creatures above and below one another: for example, one might choose to not eat meat, but have no qualms about brutally and "inhumanely" killing an ant crawling across the kitchen counter, or a fly that landed on your soy bacon. Whether or not we choose to eat animals is a personal choice, but you must admit there's a lot of illogical thinking out there. I choose to eat meat, simple as that. Don't disrespect my choice and I won't disrespect yours.

love n' bacon (both animal and vegetable),
tlchix

tastes_like_chicken: love n' bacon (both animal and vegetable),
tlchix

Look, I wasn't really trying to be mean, but it's hard to seperate levity from people being stupid online sometime. You just happened to be the last example in the thread at the moment where I wanted to address the issue of people coming onto threads like these just to gloat about the greatness of meat, or the greatness of non-meat. I wasn't trying to accuse you of stupidity, but the comments and jokes that perpetuate stupid arguments or stereotypes. I wasn't trying to perpetuate hate - that seems a bit strong.

Pretty much I agree with everything you just wrote. Also, I eat meat too, so unless I'm disrespecting my own choice, you can be sure I'm not disrespecting yours.

I also enjoy bacon very much (but have to watch my intake because I have bad cholesterol genes).

flyurchin: dittybopper: You know, this is Fark, and we've been known to take things unseriously.

Oh shi-

We're you joking about the fighting evolution thing? It's hard to read the sarcasm sometimes. I didn't think i was getting too serious about that or anything. In fact, I was trying to say that it seems too ridiculous to get too serious about all this.

Well, less than half-serious.

Maybe just a quarter serious.

dittybopper: flyurchin: dittybopper: You know, this is Fark, and we've been known to take things unseriously.

Oh shi-

We're you joking about the fighting evolution thing? It's hard to read the sarcasm sometimes. I didn't think i was getting too serious about that or anything. In fact, I was trying to say that it seems too ridiculous to get too serious about all this.

Well, less than half-serious.

Maybe just a quarter serious.

I'm a quarter serious about most things, but apparently I messed up in this thread. Look at the post above: you're not the only one who thought I was playing asshole today.

Maybe I need more coffee.

This thread makes me hungry for peanut brittle.

lukelightning: This thread makes me hungry for peanut brittle.

f it. I'm going home to eat my chicken tikka leftovers.

this is news? every vegan i've ever met was more emaciated than a third-world refugee.