Bobucles: To sum up the study:
People who take calcium out of their diet have weaker bones.

How much calcium do you find in a steak? unless you're nawing on the bones, I think it would be very little.

dangnabit VV, beat me to the punch!

Christian Bale: Haha, it's precious how you treat the opinion of your Doc as the gospel. Can your Dad still beat up every one else's Dad too?

Pfft, doctors. What do they know?

Alleyoop: Suck it brittle bones

Which begs the question, why would I waste time getting a vegan girlfriend?

In the tradition of hunter gatherers everywhere, I prefer a girlfriend who lusts for my meat when I return from my day's adventure.

sluck604: Bobucles: To sum up the study:
People who take calcium out of their diet have weaker bones.

How much calcium do you find in a steak? unless you're nawing (sic) on the bones, I think it would be very little.

Calcium is used as a tenderizer, I think.

sluck604: /tis a funny thing, the self-righteous vegan/vegetarian seems nonexistant. Its like all the douche-bags decided they could be more self-righteous by taking offense at someone not eating meat.

Scroll up, and the tone of your post was slightly self-righteous too.

I can think a several reasonable reasons one might have for becoming a vegetarian. Health is not one of them. Sure burgers and such may be bad for you but there are plenty of meats that have less fat and cholesterol.

Each person has just as much right as say a lion or tiger to decide whether they eat meat or not. I don't expect vegetarians to try and explain to a lion why he should not eat meat but at the same time why not accept that humans eating meat is just as natural as any other type of animal doing it.

sluck604: Bobucles: To sum up the study:
People who take calcium out of their diet have weaker bones.

How much calcium do you find in a steak? unless you're nawing on the bones, I think it would be very little.

Can I have your steak bones? Mmmmm....marrow. Seriously, it's good.

gulogulo: myfAuLT: We don't fark up the environment by keeping cattle farms in business. We don't fark over the hungry by monopolizing land for an inefficient food production method, and we don't fark over helpless animals just because they taste good.

I'm better than you because I understand that planting crops and using pesticides and fertilizers also farks over helpless animals. Instead of doing some token gesture like being a vegetarian, I dedicated my life to helping preserve and protect habitat, having it made it my career. Let me tell you, your crop lands aren't any better. You fark up the environment in different ways.

You do realize, that when you start eating higher up the food chain you're exponentially expanding those problems, don't you? Please tell me you eat grass fed beef.

Kyro: Christian Bale: Haha, it's precious how you treat the opinion of your Doc as the gospel. Can your Dad still beat up every one else's Dad too?

Pfft, doctors. What do they know?

My shaman told me that doctors are just tools of the pharmaceutical corporations trying to make a buck off the sick. He only charged me $450 for that session because my chakras were already aligned because of the raw vegan diet I've been eating.

Meat was essential to the development of the primordial brain . . . animals eat less fertile sources of food, so don't worry about that aspect of overfarming the land . . . I'd imagine the chemicals are worse than the meat . . . and most vegans I know are killjoys who don't need to lose weight and whatnot; they need a steak and a vigorous weight-training lifestyle. But I'm at the age where I can say, "I don't want to live forever."

sluck604:
If I ever feel the desire to eat meat again, It'll be something I killed myself.


Congratulations. You've just taken your first steps into a larger World.

Honestly, while I think vegans are misguided, I give them the credit of living their ideology. What I can't stand are the hypocrites: People who eat meat, yet are against hunting.

Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

Tofu made with calcium chloride is high in calcium.

last time i went to the doc, he said my calcium was a little on the high side.

My cholesterol is 116. My meat eating dad has to be on cholesterol meds, and his is still over 150, and it used to be over 200.

I'm less scrawny now then when i was eating meat, 10 years ago, but i spend more time in the gym now.

//not going in 26 mins tho

LordRosco: dangnabit VV, beat me to the punch!

It's funny enough to post twice. This thread has me reminiscing about the ribeye I had for Father's Day. Best steak I've ever cooked. I doubt I'll ever feel the same way about a salad.

dittybopper: sluck604:
If I ever feel the desire to eat meat again, It'll be something I killed myself.


Congratulations. You've just taken your first steps into a larger World.

Honestly, while I think vegans are misguided, I give them the credit of living their ideology. What I can't stand are the hypocrites: People who eat meat, yet are against hunting.

Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

Well, it's not exactly legal to walk up to a cow in a field and blow its head off now is it? I mean I would, but a cow aint worth time in the pokey ya know? Is it still illegal to hunt bison? I REALLY want a bison steak.

gulogulo: sluck604: /tis a funny thing, the self-righteous vegan/vegetarian seems nonexistant. Its like all the douche-bags decided they could be more self-righteous by taking offense at someone not eating meat.

Scroll up, and the tone of your post was slightly self-righteous too.

If you think what I said was self righteous... you must go around butt-hurt an awful lot.

Timdesuyo: Yup. Wasn't there a nice study about the unreliability of studies a while back?

Yes, but that study was found to be unreliable...

sluck604: gulogulo: myfAuLT: We don't fark up the environment by keeping cattle farms in business. We don't fark over the hungry by monopolizing land for an inefficient food production method, and we don't fark over helpless animals just because they taste good.

I'm better than you because I understand that planting crops and using pesticides and fertilizers also farks over helpless animals. Instead of doing some token gesture like being a vegetarian, I dedicated my life to helping preserve and protect habitat, having it made it my career. Let me tell you, your crop lands aren't any better. You fark up the environment in different ways.

You do realize, that when you start eating higher up the food chain you're exponentially expanding those problems, don't you? Please tell me you eat grass fed beef.

There's that self-righteous tone you said didn't exist. Actually, beef is very rarely on my menu (maybe three times a year), and yes when it is I go for organic grass fed. Generally, my protein sources in my freezer come from hunts. So let's thing this through. Your protest? The cattle industry. What is your goal? To end the practice. Less meat made in quantities that keeps the price down mean people who cannot afford to buy grass-fed will have to turn to cheaper food sources. Meat will become a luxury. So people will have to turn matter diet, I guess, which will involve in expanding the croplands to feed everyone's needs (and you need a hell of a lot), and exponentially expanding the problems you site. That's your solution? Where do you see this protest going?

Tell me, where do you buy your food sources?

This story makes me want to eat a huge steak right now....

Suck it brittle bones

Alleyoop: Which begs the question, why would I waste time getting a vegan girlfriend?

Farkwaddle: Cause you like hearing the hips crack without being a pedo??

No, but having to keep a spit-bucket in bed kinda takes the romance out of it.

kabloink: "There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said."

I love how they sneaked that in there. So, basically eating lots of meat had little to do with the bone density. What mattered was eating food with high sources of calcium like dairy products.

Seriously, that's a criminally misleading headline.

/ don't eat red meat
// never broken a bone (and not through lack of trying)
/// anecdote = data

dittybopper: sluck604:
If I ever feel the desire to eat meat again, It'll be something I killed myself.


Congratulations. You've just taken your first steps into a larger World.

Honestly, while I think vegans are misguided, I give them the credit of living their ideology. What I can't stand are the hypocrites: People who eat meat, yet are against hunting.

Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

First steps? wider world? please.

/sigh, like you know me...

dittybopper: sluck604:
If I ever feel the desire to eat meat again, It'll be something I killed myself.


Congratulations. You've just taken your first steps into a larger World.

Honestly, while I think vegans are misguided, I give them the credit of living their ideology. What I can't stand are the hypocrites: People who eat meat, yet are against hunting.

Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

My bag lunch consists of venison steak, so I'm really getting a kick out of this. All the dirty work was done by myself and Mrs. Blue.

/Rawr!

sluck604: Mostly b/c I don't want to support an industry that is needlessly cruel, environmentally destructive

That's the pat-on-the back statement. Perhaps not as self-righteous as myFAULT, though, I'll give you that.

Alleyoop: Suck it brittle bones

Which begs the question, why would I waste time getting a vegan girlfriend?

Because you're a masochist?

gulogulo: sluck604: gulogulo: myfAuLT: We don't fark up the environment by keeping cattle farms in business. We don't fark over the hungry by monopolizing land for an inefficient food production method, and we don't fark over helpless animals just because they taste good.

I'm better than you because I understand that planting crops and using pesticides and fertilizers also farks over helpless animals. Instead of doing some token gesture like being a vegetarian, I dedicated my life to helping preserve and protect habitat, having it made it my career. Let me tell you, your crop lands aren't any better. You fark up the environment in different ways.

You do realize, that when you start eating higher up the food chain you're exponentially expanding those problems, don't you? Please tell me you eat grass fed beef.

There's that self-righteous tone you said didn't exist. Actually, beef is very rarely on my menu (maybe three times a year), and yes when it is I go for organic grass fed. Generally, my protein sources in my freezer come from hunts. So let's thing this through. Your protest? The cattle industry. What is your goal? To end the practice. Less meat made in quantities that keeps the price down mean people who cannot afford to buy grass-fed will have to turn to cheaper food sources. Meat will become a luxury. So people will have to turn matter diet, I guess, which will involve in expanding the croplands to feed everyone's needs (and you need a hell of a lot), and exponentially expanding the problems you cite. That's your solution? Where do you see this protest going?

Tell me, where do you buy your food sources?

FTFM

t3knomanser: myfAuLT: Well guess what?

At least you're obvious.

You'd think, wouldn't you? Geez.

myfAuLT: t3knomanser: myfAuLT: Well guess what?

At least you're obvious.

You'd think, wouldn't you? Geez.

Note to self: do not Fark before I've finished my coffee.

*facepalms*

Alleyoop: Suck it brittle bones

Which begs the question, why would I waste time getting a vegan girlfriend?

Heh I read that as: Which begs the question, why would I waste time eating a vegan girlfriend?

And had that "Tastes great! Less filling!" commercial meme going thru my head.

I've boned a vegetarian.

gulogulo: sluck604: gulogulo: myfAuLT: We don't fark up the environment by keeping cattle farms in business. We don't fark over the hungry by monopolizing land for an inefficient food production method, and we don't fark over helpless animals just because they taste good.

I'm better than you because I understand that planting crops and using pesticides and fertilizers also farks over helpless animals. Instead of doing some token gesture like being a vegetarian, I dedicated my life to helping preserve and protect habitat, having it made it my career. Let me tell you, your crop lands aren't any better. You fark up the environment in different ways.

You do realize, that when you start eating higher up the food chain you're exponentially expanding those problems, don't you? Please tell me you eat grass fed beef.

There's that self-righteous tone you said didn't exist. Actually, beef is very rarely on my menu (maybe three times a year), and yes when it is I go for organic grass fed. Generally, my protein sources in my freezer come from hunts. So let's thing this through. Your protest? The cattle industry. What is your goal? To end the practice. Less meat made in quantities that keeps the price down mean people who cannot afford to buy grass-fed will have to turn to cheaper food sources. Meat will become a luxury. So people will have to turn matter diet, I guess, which will involve in expanding the croplands to feed everyone's needs (and you need a hell of a lot), and exponentially expanding the problems you site. That's your solution? Where do you see this protest going?

Tell me, where do you buy your food sources?

That's an awful lot of wharrgarbl. I didn't say I was protesting anything. I said I don't support something. I only feel the need to explain this when people get all douche-baggy about me not eating meat, which happens all the time.

As for the rest of your argument, Are you really suggesting that raising farm animals means less land is used to raise crops and less water? Those rather large populations of animals need to eat too.

As for where I get my food, local farmers market, stuff I grow myself, whole foods, occasionally I go to Krogers or Meijers.

Torok:
Each person has just as much right as say a lion or tiger to decide whether they eat meat or not. I don't expect vegetarians to try and explain to a lion why he should not eat meat but at the same time why not accept that humans eating meat is just as natural as any other type of animal doing it.

I'm not a vegetarian, and I don't see myself giving up delicious burgers and steak and chicken wings and salmon and ....NOM I'm making myself hungry....no! Discussion!

I certainly agree with you 100% that we all have a choice in whether to eat meat, but I'm not sure if I totally agree with your line of reasoning. It seems, in my humble opinion, that you are making the Naturalistic Fallacy where ("Is=Ought") whereby you say "this is what evolution made us do, so it's ok!" Evolutionary behavior is not necessarily WRONG, but it's not necessarily right either. For instance, you won't skate by with the defense "But HONEY, I'm a male homo sapien! I EVOLVED to sleep around!" (PS If you skate by with this, can I meat your wife....er....meet your wife?)

Once we understand the underlying reasons why we do something, we are the only creatures who have the capacity to employ our reason decide whether we consider it good or bad, based on more than our feelings at that very moment. We can evaluate whether something like eating meat or sleeping around is "good" or "bad" based on criteria that are independent of why the behaviors originally came into existence.

/still buying a nice juicy steak for dinner
//Obviously I've thought about it and made my decision

dittybopper: Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

"Bummer of a birthmark, Hal."

Why do people care so much what other people decide to eat?
Half the people in here are like 'aha! I knew veganism is bad for you, idiots!'
On the other side, I work with a lot of people who claim to be vegetarian or vegan and act like they are superior, or more-evolved or something because of their lifestyle choice.
It's just odd. People are different, move on.

/learned that in grade school
//everyone I work with is fat, no bone density problems here

Maxor: Moderation and balance, who knows that just might be the correct way for people to go. T3knomanser its fine for meat to be the main part of a dish but you should probably be having a 4 oz steak or chicken breast with 6 oz of a vegtable medley, a salad, and a starch and vegetable dish. The 20 oz steaks or porkchops or mystery meat patties in every meal are whats bad.

Agreed 100%, although that sounds like a really small meal. Meat and animal products shouldn't make up the majority of your diet by mass.

A good, balanced dinner could look something like:
6oz grilled chicken breast
5 slices whole wheat bread
4 tablespoons olive oil for dipping bread
1 raw green pepper cut into strips

Just about as simple as you can get, but it'll do you just fine for the whole night.

And when you make sandwiches, there shouldn't be a half-inch thick layer of deli meat along with a single leaf of lettuce.

I'll just leave this here





/Links are hot like the BBQ sauce I'd put on it.

Brittle bones? But I always drink plenty of...

sluck604: I didn't say I was protesting anything. I said I don't support something.

Ah, so it's only a token gesture, not really meant to instigate any kind of change in the system?

Are you really suggesting that raising farm animals means less land is used to raise crops and less water? Those rather large populations of animals need to eat too.

That wasn't what I was suggesting at all. I was operating under the assumption you were taking a serious stance for change, not just a feel good measure. I was following the logical conclusion for such change, since people need a lot more vegetable matter to get the same caloric and nutritional content found in a lean protein source. Of course, this would mean needed to drain out more of our wetlands for that nice fertile lands, too.

As for where I get my food, local farmers market, stuff I grow myself, whole foods, occasionally I go to Krogers or Meijers.

Local farmer's markets and gardens in Ohio year round? Really? I think the "occassionally" happens a bit more frequently than you're letting on.

gulogulo: sluck604: Mostly b/c I don't want to support an industry that is needlessly cruel, environmentally destructive

That's the pat-on-the back statement. Perhaps not as self-righteous as myFAULT, though, I'll give you that.

pat on the back? trying to explain why I choose not to eat meat? after I don't know how many posts basically challenging the mental faculties of anyone who choses not to eat meat?

Seriously? I'm sorry I should just let you all have a nice circle-jerk and insult anyone who doesn't agree. So you can feel superior in your meat eating ways.

SupremeLeader:
In reality only fruitarians who don't eat the seeds of fruits are consistent in their avoidance of not hurting living beings.

It's ok to eat the seeds as long as you poop outside where the plants want you to.

Farkwaddle: dittybopper: sluck604:
If I ever feel the desire to eat meat again, It'll be something I killed myself.


Congratulations. You've just taken your first steps into a larger World.

Honestly, while I think vegans are misguided, I give them the credit of living their ideology. What I can't stand are the hypocrites: People who eat meat, yet are against hunting.

Try venison: It's healthy, lean and organic!

Well, it's not exactly legal to walk up to a cow in a field and blow its head off now is it? I mean I would, but a cow aint worth time in the pokey ya know? Is it still illegal to hunt bison? I REALLY want a bison steak.

If it's your cow, absolutely it's legal. Same as if it's your pig, or your chicken.

You can buy bison meat, by the way, and if you are so inclined, you can hunt them if you can afford it.

dittybopper: You can buy bison meat, by the way, and if you are so inclined, you can hunt them if you can afford it.

I'm saving up to hunt a bandersnatch. Wish me luck.

sluck604: gulogulo: sluck604: Mostly b/c I don't want to support an industry that is needlessly cruel, environmentally destructive

That's the pat-on-the back statement. Perhaps not as self-righteous as myFAULT, though, I'll give you that.

pat on the back? trying to explain why I choose not to eat meat? after I don't know how many posts basically challenging the mental faculties of anyone who choses not to eat meat?

Seriously? I'm sorry I should just let you all have a nice circle-jerk and insult anyone who doesn't agree. So you can feel superior in your meat eating ways.

Sounds good. Thanks.

if you drink beer, or eat bread you are eating meat, [yeasts are animal/plant]
if you eat lettuce, you eat meat [worms, e-coli]
every pound of tofu or other dry veg product contains a certain percentage of rat hairs & poop, bug carcasses, and traces of human flesh.

// sending this article to every one of my veggie ex-es
LaLalLaLaLalA

gulogulo: sluck604: I didn't say I was protesting anything. I said I don't support something.

Ah, so it's only a token gesture, not really meant to instigate any kind of change in the system?

Are you really suggesting that raising farm animals means less land is used to raise crops and less water? Those rather large populations of animals need to eat too.

That wasn't what I was suggesting at all. I was operating under the assumption you were taking a serious stance for change, not just a feel good measure. I was following the logical conclusion for such change, since people need a lot more vegetable matter to get the same caloric and nutritional content found in a lean protein source. Of course, this would mean needed to drain out more of our wetlands for that nice fertile lands, too.


You are making no sense. Honestly you think all those calories in your hamburger/chicken/pork come from no where?

Waste of money study is a waste of money.

Eat less meat. You can still eat it, but 90% of you "omnivores" can probably cut your meat intake by 75% and still get PLENTY.

JSTACAT: if you drink beer, or eat bread you are eating meat, [yeasts are animal/plant]

Yeast is not meat. It's a fungus.

Most vegetarian I knew are pretty damn humbled (Hong Kong, Thailand, Taiwan), and they didn't do it for the feeling of being high and mighty. I think it's a western phenomenon more than anything this "my diet is better than yours".

And seriously:
There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.

Wow, make it sound like something insignificant, that's a good chunk of vegetarians there.

sluck604:
First steps? wider world? please.

/sigh, like you know me...

Erm, OK.

[looks sluck604 longingly in the eyes]

Sigh.......


/The fact that I was using a quote from Star Wars should have clued you in that I wasn't *ENTIRELY* serious.
//Except for the hypocrisy part. Dead serious about that.

MysteryMachine: Torok:
Each person has just as much right as say a lion or tiger to decide whether they eat meat or not. I don't expect vegetarians to try and explain to a lion why he should not eat meat but at the same time why not accept that humans eating meat is just as natural as any other type of animal doing it.

I'm not a vegetarian, and I don't see myself giving up delicious burgers and steak and chicken wings and salmon and ....NOM I'm making myself hungry....no! Discussion!

I certainly agree with you 100% that we all have a choice in whether to eat meat, but I'm not sure if I totally agree with your line of reasoning. It seems, in my humble opinion, that you are making the Naturalistic Fallacy where ("Is=Ought") whereby you say "this is what evolution made us do, so it's ok!" Evolutionary behavior is not necessarily WRONG, but it's not necessarily right either. For instance, you won't skate by with the defense "But HONEY, I'm a male homo sapien! I EVOLVED to sleep around!" (PS If you skate by with this, can I meat your wife....er....meet your wife?)

Once we understand the underlying reasons why we do something, we are the only creatures who have the capacity to employ our reason decide whether we consider it good or bad, based on more than our feelings at that very moment. We can evaluate whether something like eating meat or sleeping around is "good" or "bad" based on criteria that are independent of why the behaviors originally came into existence.

/still buying a nice juicy steak for dinner
//Obviously I've thought about it and made my decision

Eating meat can be proven to be an evolutionary behavior by looking at the makeup of the human body. Not so much with your example.