Do we just copy and paste our posts from yesterday's thread, or how does this work?

I think Meth should be a driver requirement... I mean... at least the race might be worth watching then.

I wonder how Weird Al's parents are taking the news.

Go Fast Turn Left: Do we just copy and paste our posts from yesterday's thread, or how does this work?

Yeah. It's a crapshoot whether or not an actual race discussion thread gets greenlit, but Mayfield has 4 greenlights in 3 days... Hopefully we can get a 5th greenlight about how Mayfield does in the first practice later today...

Although the sport is not the same, the NFL should really be taking notes on this case in regards to the Vick issue. If Goodell suspends Vick after serving his federally mandated sentence then the NFL is going to get sued like a mofo.

It's the Groundhog Thread. Somebody at fark must really care about Jeremy Mayfield. The real question now is whether he can get a car to the track. It looks like any potential sponsors are balking.

When Mayfield is off the meth, he actually has had some decent runs at Daytona in the past. I caught the end of a re-run of the 1998 Daytona 500 on ESPN the other day, Mayfield was right in the mix for the win with Earnhardt and Labonte at the end.

He qualified for the 500, so I would expect he as a good chance of qualifying tomorrow.

I heard on TMD this AM that his car wasn't there... has anyone heard if he actually got his car there in time.

tomlcollins: Although the sport is not the same, the NFL should really be taking notes on this case in regards to the Vick issue. If Goodell suspends Vick after serving his federally mandated sentence then the NFL is going to get sued like a mofo.

Um, no. Vick wont be playing this year ir suing anyone.

lunchinlewis: He qualified for the 500, so I would expect he as a good chance of qualifying tomorrow.

Qualifying for the 500 is entirely different than qualifying for the 400. There's no qualifying races or anything like that, just getting in on time, which the 41 team has shown a great lack of ability to do.

Add to the fact that Gunselman won't let him drive the 64 (link) and Mayfield hasn't shown up to the track yet means there's a fine chance that even if he *does* get there, there are a lot of teams who have a far better chance than himself.

belome: I heard on TMD this AM that his car wasn't there... has anyone heard if he actually got his car there in time.

He's not on the entry list. But that may be subject to change.

Go Fast Turn Left: Qualifying for the 500 is entirely different than qualifying for the 400. There's no qualifying races or anything like that, just getting in on time, which the 41 team has shown a great lack of ability to do.

Isn't this an impound race though? That should help them a bit if most drivers are qualifying with their race packages.

turbokat: belome: I heard on TMD this AM that his car wasn't there... has anyone heard if he actually got his car there in time.

He's not on the entry list. But that may be subject to change.

According to ESPN, he's got 'til 3:00 PM to get his equipment there. Of course, you've got to be on crack if you think you're showing up at 3:00 PM before the 400 and going to make the race.

If he *does* in fact make it in, since he didn't get any of the paperwork in on time, he won't be racing for points, just money, and if he doesn't make it he won't even get the courtesy owners points for attempting a race.

lunchinlewis: Go Fast Turn Left: Qualifying for the 500 is entirely different than qualifying for the 400. There's no qualifying races or anything like that, just getting in on time, which the 41 team has shown a great lack of ability to do.

Isn't this an impound race though? That should help them a bit if most drivers are qualifying with their race packages.

The way impound races generally work are like this: The Go/Go home guys run a qualifying setup, as they're having to qualify against the other go/go home guys. The guys who are already into the race will run their race setup and could care less where they start. That's why you always see the RCR guys qualifying in the high 30s at plate races. That's also why you see guys like Max Papis, Boris Said and Brad Keselowski start toward the front. At the same time, a lot of the go or go homers who *do* qualify for the race will fall to the back quickly as they need to make wholesale adjustments to their cars as soon as possible come race time.

I really don't give a shiat whether the guy ever races again or not, but doesn't it seem like NASCAR is going out of its way not only to enforce its policies and rules, but to virtually ruin this guy? What I've seen on this looks very, VERY personal for some reason....

chevydeuce: I really don't give a shiat whether the guy ever races again or not, but doesn't it seem like NASCAR is going out of its way not only to enforce its policies and rules, but to virtually ruin this guy? What I've seen on this looks very, VERY personal for some reason....

NASCAR is walking a very fine line here with out-and-out claiming he is a meth addict. They are going to be held liable in civil court if he sues them, given their direct language and the lack of any solid evidence he is any sort of "addict".

chevydeuce: I really don't give a shiat whether the guy ever races again or not, but doesn't it seem like NASCAR is going out of its way not only to enforce its policies and rules, but to virtually ruin this guy? What I've seen on this looks very, VERY personal for some reason....

How so? Their policy states that anyone failing a drug test gets suspended until further notice. To get back into the series, you have to follow some guidelines and be okay with being tested a lot. It's no different than the NFL, MLB or anyone else. The only difference is that Mayfield's challenging them at every turn, and this is the first time *anyone*'s sided with him.

If you have nothing to hide in your drug test, when they ask you "are you on any perscription drugs or anything", tell them. It's not rocket science.

And, for the most part, the drivers who are affected by the drug policy have no complaints about the policy itself, in part because it's there to protect them.

Tony Van Morrison: NASCAR is walking a very fine line here with out-and-out claiming he is a meth addict

Do you have a source or anything for that? Failing a drug test for being on meth and being a 'meth addict' are two entirely different things. Nascar has claimed the first, not the second.

Go Fast Turn Left: The way impound races generally work are like this:

Yeah, I understand that. And this is an impound race, I just checked. So like at Talladega, we'll see some guys pulling out all the stops, removing belts and whatever, just to put up a silly lap time and get in the race. That's pretty much the pay-day they need, whether they finish or not.

lunchinlewis: Go Fast Turn Left: The way impound races generally work are like this:

Yeah, I understand that. And this is an impound race, I just checked. So like at Talladega, we'll see some guys pulling out all the stops, removing belts and whatever, just to put up a silly lap time and get in the race. That's pretty much the pay-day they need, whether they finish or not.

But do you think that a team that has done pretty much nothing but make the 500 at the beginning of the year and a race or two since then, and hasn't raced in 2 months, has any shot of making the race against the other go or go home teams that *have* competed every week?

Go Fast Turn Left: Tony Van Morrison: NASCAR is walking a very fine line here with out-and-out claiming he is a meth addict

Do you have a source or anything for that? Failing a drug test for being on meth and being a 'meth addict' are two entirely different things. Nascar has claimed the first, not the second.

I can't find those older article now. NASCAR representatives made numerous statements directly stating Mayfield took meth, knew he took meth and that "only Jeremy knows if this was a one time use". The statement that its too "dangerous" to let him back on the track before he undergoes drug treatment is another one that directly says "he is a drug addict".

It's 1:45 pm. No sign of Mayfield at the track. Is there a hauler right now going about 90 mph down I-95 somewhere between Charlotte and Daytona? Maybe as a followup career Mayfield can make a remake of Smokey and the Bandit.

How does a guy who won one race like 15 years ago and finishes 43rd every week own his own team...or stay relevant for that matter? I guess what I'm trying to say is who cares?

madcow66: How does a guy who won one race like 15 years ago and finishes 43rd every week own his own team...or stay relevant for that matter? I guess what I'm trying to say is who cares?

Lay off Robby Gordon.

/huge Robby fan
//his interviews are like watching a monkey try to eat a hand grenade

chevydeuce: I really don't give a shiat whether the guy ever races again or not, but doesn't it seem like NASCAR is going out of its way not only to enforce its policies and rules, but to virtually ruin this guy? What I've seen on this looks very, VERY personal for some reason....

Everything that the others said in response, plus the fact that he's basically been a huge asshole to the people that gave him a chance in the past. His mouth lost him more rides & sponsors than his driving ever did.

lunchinlewis: Lay off Robby Gordon.

/huge Robby fan
//his interviews are like watching a monkey try to eat a hand grenade

I like the way you think. It's not just what he can do at Baja or "Dakar." Did you see him in the Prelude to the Dream in 2008? Never been in that kind of dirt track race before. Comes in 2nd. If there's anyone you can say gets results way below his ability it's Gordon. That's the price of independence.

Hmm...Fark greenlights on the Mayfield saga seem to officially be a day behind.

Today's story should've been about how Mayfield is too broke to run his own car and none of the other owners/sponsors will let him run theirs.

yequalsy: It's the Groundhog Thread. Somebody at fark must really care about Jeremy Mayfield.

I think it is because he is from Kentucky...that is the only reason I can see for the love shown to him by the mods.

He will never make it in - although I can't help but to wonder if he is really being screwed over by the France family ala Tim Richmond.

Go Fast Turn Left: Do we just copy and paste our posts from yesterday's thread, or how does this work?

Not sure, but I'm surprised nobody has copy/pasted your screenname to describe NASCAR yet.

Tony Van Morrison: I can't find those older article now. NASCAR representatives made numerous statements directly stating Mayfield took meth, knew he took meth and that "only Jeremy knows if this was a one time use". The statement that its too "dangerous" to let him back on the track before he undergoes drug treatment is another one that directly says "he is a drug addict".

What part of "only Jeremy knows if this was a one time use" is incorrect? A drug test can only show that it's in the system, not how many times it's been in the system. Someone who tests positive for meth/coke/heroin or anything else *is* too dangerous to put on Daytona or anywhere else outside of your local amusement park kart track.

3 o'clock came and went with no Mayfield. They should have had Cledus driving that hauler.

yequalsy: lunchinlewis: Lay off Robby Gordon.

/huge Robby fan
//his interviews are like watching a monkey try to eat a hand grenade

I like the way you think. It's not just what he can do at Baja or "Dakar." Did you see him in the Prelude to the Dream in 2008? Never been in that kind of dirt track race before. Comes in 2nd. If there's anyone you can say gets results way below his ability it's Gordon. That's the price of independence.

Robby Gordon also won the 1999 Indy 500 in my mind. fark Kenny Brack, and fuel mileage racing.