Subby: That is the most horrid, tasteless headline I've witnessed on Fark in a long time. It makes light of a lurid crime and an innocent victim, it demonstrates how low we will all go for a cheap laugh.

You Magnificent Bastard.

There should be more bruises.

what_now: There should be more bruises.

THIS.

As a father of a 5 yr old and 4 yr old daughter I would say he would have been lucky that the cops got to him before me if he had harmed one of my girls like that.
I'm not a violent person, but when it comes to protecting or defending my family, someone like that would have been beaten unconscious and then left in his house while I burned it down.
Scumbag.

That being said, that was a good headline, subby, you sick bastard.

I prefer 12 year old Whiskey. Are there any active threads discussing that?

Crosshair: I prefer 12 year old Whiskey. Are there any active threads discussing that?

On 12chan, I believe.

A twistedly wonderful headline.

what_now: There should be more bruises.

Over in two.

Based on the headline and the article source I expected this to be about Ted Kennedy. Seems not. Guess I'll read the article.

beerrun: That being said, that was a good headline, subby, you sick bastard.

Would have been better if he got the tasteless joke right.

It's "mixed UP with coke". Doesn't make a lick of sense without the "up".

No way, I'm also 26 and I used to live there until I was like 15. I have no clue who this guy is - maybe he didn't grow up there? Although I have no idea why someone who isn't from there would be living there at 26, place kinda sucks....

You know coke is just going to make them twitchy and full of energy.

Probably why roofies are the preferred drug for would-be victims of rape.

farm machine: Based on the headline and the article source I expected this to be about Ted Kennedy. Seems not. Guess I'll read the article.

Yes, because he's always getting arrested for drugging and raping little kids. That makes a lot of sense. You should move to DC and start your career as a political comedian TODAY.

I'm trying to figure out a good place to wear the t-shirt

There is no place on this planet for that piece of shiat.

/someone had too

FTFA: According to court documents, Shine slashed his wrists with a knife before he let the girl go.

Why the flying fark didn't they just wait for him to bleed to death, and then report that he was already dead when they got there?

I read about this yesterday, it broke my heart as usual.

He did let her go, told her he was going to die today, not her.
Then she ran to get help, cops were called.

Mom had left her to play on her own outside, and as the father of one of her playmates, he'd told her to come and see their gerbils or something.

Leonard called the alleged attack "a one-time aberration' and said that, if released, Shine would pose no further threat to the community.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

dennysgod: /someone had too

FINALLY.

A winner is you.

This guy should end up like all who challenge the fundamental laws of our society: in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside...

/Think I threw up in my mouth a little.
//Euthanasia would be too kind

I think this POS deserves the anal pear.

Seriously.

Too old.

Mini Ditka: There is no place on this planet for that piece of shiat.

Maybe that's why he started farking kids in the first place.

If we can't learn to control our own over-population and mental health, war and murder and every horror in between will do it for us.

Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

I think you guys are pre-judging. It may have been consentual.

davynelson: I read about this yesterday, it broke my heart as usual.

He did let her go, told her he was going to die today, not her.
Then she ran to get help, cops were called.

Mom had left her to play on her own outside, and as the father of one of her playmates, he'd told her to come and see their gerbils or something.

Leonard called the alleged attack "a one-time aberration' and said that, if released, Shine would pose no further threat to the community.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Wait, so your saying HE has a kid too?
where was his kid?

davynelson: I read about this yesterday, it broke my heart as usual.

He did let her go, told her he was going to die today, not her.
Then she ran to get help, cops were called.

Mom had left her to play on her own outside, and as the father of one of her playmates, he'd told her to come and see their gerbils or something.

Leonard called the alleged attack "a one-time aberration' and said that, if released, Shine would pose no further threat to the community.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Come to think of it, where were his gerbils?

Justin('s) Shine(r)

/obvious

If that was my kid, I'd be in jail right now.

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Letting him bleed to death from a self-inflicted injury isn't causing any pain or suffering to him. It's simply letting him fix his own problem.

StoneyBologna: Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

I suppose a slap on the wrist and a good stern talking to will prevent this guy from injecting your daughter with a (potentially dirty.. and capable of ruining her entire life) needle before he attempts to rape her.

And you know... since he is your neighbor, you will be comforted to know that everything is ok now.. because he is getting treatment and will never pose a threat to your family again.

The ONLY thing that deters crime is punishment.
Hell, if I could go out and commit a crime and know I would only get counseling afterwards... there are quite a few I have in mind I would want to try.

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Hammurabi thinks so, AND WHO ARE YOU TO ARGUE WITH HAMMURABI?

Marla Singer's Laundry: I think this POS deserves the anal pear.

Seriously.


yes, yes he does.

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

It depends on who's the recipient of the pain and suffering. I've never actually tortured and killed anyone, but I like to think I could easily do so to monsters like this, and still sleep at night.

This guy is doomed in prison. I hope he suffers greatly at the hands of other inmates for a few years before he gets shanked.

Newt13: davynelson: I read about this yesterday, it broke my heart as usual.

He did let her go, told her he was going to die today, not her.
Then she ran to get help, cops were called.

Mom had left her to play on her own outside, and as the father of one of her playmates, he'd told her to come and see their gerbils or something.

Leonard called the alleged attack "a one-time aberration' and said that, if released, Shine would pose no further threat to the community.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Come to think of it, where were his gerbils?

Richard Gere borrowed them for the day.

yes i think i read he's a father of her playmate.

Link (new window)

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

/that is all

He wasn't really going to rape her. he just thought the leg irons looked pretty.

'Sick' tag might be a bit more like it.

was it a clean needle?
If not- guess what- now the kid has to be tested and tested
for hep and HIV...lovely
Never mind the fact that the drug itself is dangerous enough
in a 6 yr old's system (body mass/dosage)

Justin's a real nice guy, I feel so bad for him.

/sarcasm

Level22: StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

/that is all

Yeah, how dare he have an opinion different from others! He must be a dirty sympathizer, right?

/I'll bring torches!

Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

I cannot believe his defender wanted him released on only $5k bail, saying this was a one-time aberration and that his client was not dangerous to society. wtf?!

Um, excuse me, your client BOUND, DRUGGED, and ATTEMPTED TO RAPE A SIX-YEAR-OLD GIRL. How the FARK does that make him not a menace to society?!

This is actually the article that mentions his son:

Link (new window)

Biv

I think you guys are pre-judging. It may have been consentual.


Piers Anthony, you are a farker?


/Liked the Incarnations of Immortality and Battlecircles
//Xanth sucks

FTFA: "His attempt to commit suicide shows that he is certainly mentally unbalanced,' Donatelle said.


Really? That's what tipped the scales for ya?

If this happened to my daughter, Justin Shine would be found with his own dick in his mouth.

BadSpongeBob: StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

It depends on who's the recipient of the pain and suffering. I've never actually tortured and killed anyone, but I like to think I could easily do so to monsters like this, and still sleep at night.

This guy is doomed in prison. I hope he suffers greatly at the hands of other inmates for a few years before he gets shanked.

Could you, in cold blood, listening to his screams and feeling his fear? A slow cut, watch the warm blood flow?

I think it would be pretty jarring even knowing that someone's a seriously bad person.

A bullet in the temple, maybe. It's a lot less personal.

StoneyBologna I'm not entirely sure I disagree with Hammurabi in some instances. Eye for an eye kind of fits right in with the great Christian tradition of treat people as you would have them treat you. It's just applied in reverse.

BadSpongeBob

I've never actually tortured and killed anyone, but I like to think I could easily do so to monsters like this, and still sleep at night.


"Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

So we went from "inflicting pain and suffering is wrong" to "why kill the guy" ?

Someone has found their argument is tarded.
If someone kills people, he should be erased from society. But if you are willing to house him up at your place because he is only 'misunderstood' go right ahead...

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!

Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Yeah yeah you're so much better than us, you don't have the base human instincts the rest of us possess. Congratulations. How's life up on that pedestal?

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

Torturing him would be wrong, but I don't think he was worth the resources it took to save him from his own suicide attempt.

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

You're obviously making the assumption that everyone born into this world deserves to be here. That's where the flaw in your logic resides.

MmmBadEggs: StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!

Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Yeah yeah you're so much better than us, you don't have the base human instincts the rest of us possess. Congratulations. How's life up on that pedestal?

If it wasn't for the rest of us "senseless killers" protecting the rest of society from psychopaths, the likes of this a-hole would have been Darwined out of existence a few hundred years ago.

Stun gun to the nuts.

Marla Singer's Laundry: It's "mixed UP with coke". Doesn't make a lick of sense without the "up".

6 year old mixed with coke sounds like a good photoshop contest.

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

People like this seldom rehabilitate. Their mere existence is a threat to society's weaker members. I say we get rid of him before he strikes again.

/pro-choice all the way to age 100. If you make it that far, f*ck it, collect your $200.

Holy crap the joke is real.

I saw a car the other day with a sticker of pedobear on it.

/no more to say, just wanted to share

Accent: I suppose a slap on the wrist and a good stern talking to will prevent this guy from injecting your daughter with a (potentially dirty.. and capable of ruining her entire life) needle before he attempts to rape her.

Yes, that is exactly what he's arguing. We should just send him free and shower him with roses. But then again, judging from the rest of your rant, you don't strike me as a master of reading comprehension or reasoning abilities.

Get this through your thick skull, not being blood-thirty about "punishment" != preventing the guy from entering society.

And you know... since he is your neighbor, you will be comforted to know that everything is ok now.. because he is getting treatment and will never pose a threat to your family again.

Meaningless scare tactics and a strawman, nice.

The ONLY thing that deters crime is punishment.

This would be why the U.S. with one of the most severe systems of punishment among industrialized nations, also has the highest crime rate right? This is why state with capital punishment don't show any significantly lower (in most cases higher) crime rates as states that don't right? The idea that fear of punishment somehow deters crime has been historically and statistically shot down as nothing but myth so many times by people who actually look at data instead of just listening to "well, my gut feels it's this way" that I'm surprised any dumbfark actually brings it up. But I guess truthiness is enough for some.

Hell, if I could go out and commit a crime and know I would only get counseling afterwards... there are quite a few I have in mind I would want to try.

You're projecting your own farked up mindset on the rest of us. Most of us are actually good people, not a dickwad.

We don't trust government to ever tell us what to do, what type of guns we can own, what religion we have to follow, run anything productively or generally be compitant in any field. But we are right behind them when it come to giving them control over who lives or dies.

I'll never understand that.

And by government I am including the elected judges who will rule on cases, the elected sherrifs who will gather the evidence and the elected officials who pass the laws that let them do it.

Level22: Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

Nothing "requires" death. What it does require is to make sure people like this never have access to the rest of society. Now, if you wanna argue that life imprisonment is somehow unachievable and the only alternative short of just letting him free was the death penalty, *that* may be justification.

imgod2u: Accent: I suppose a slap on the wrist and a good stern talking to will prevent this guy from injecting your daughter with a (potentially dirty.. and capable of ruining her entire life) needle before he attempts to rape her.

Yes, that is exactly what he's arguing. We should just send him free and shower him with roses. But then again, judging from the rest of your rant, you don't strike me as a master of reading comprehension or reasoning abilities.

Get this through your thick skull, not being blood-thirty about "punishment" != preventing the guy from entering society.



And your entire rant is based on you thinking that locking someone up is *not* punishment?

Nice work, Holmes.

Joe Hallenbeck: Newt13: davynelson: I read about this yesterday, it broke my heart as usual.

He did let her go, told her he was going to die today, not her.
Then she ran to get help, cops were called.

Mom had left her to play on her own outside, and as the father of one of her playmates, he'd told her to come and see their gerbils or something.

Leonard called the alleged attack "a one-time aberration' and said that, if released, Shine would pose no further threat to the community.

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Come to think of it, where were his gerbils?

Richard Gere borrowed them for the day.

So he was going to introduce her to richard gere"s butt?

Purplebuzz: We don't trust government to ever tell us what to do, what type of guns we can own, what religion we have to follow, run anything productively or generally be compitant in any field. But we are right behind them when it come to giving them control over who lives or dies.

I'll never understand that.

And by government I am including the elected judges who will rule on cases, the elected sherrifs who will gather the evidence and the elected officials who pass the laws that let them do it.

I agree with that, but I also think it's a problem: the longer we hold onto the notion that there's no such thing as an efficient or productive public sector, the worse the government will get. We can do better, and we really, really need to.

I know this is OT but it strikes a nerve with me: the whole argument about whether big government or small government is better misses the whole point that good government should be priority 1.

Level22: StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

/that is all


When a dog gets sick or rabid and can't be around people anymore, you put it down.

There's no difference here. None at all. Some people might like to think so, but when it boils down to it, we're just glorified primates.

Monkey escapes from a zoo and bites several people? You put it down. Man kidnaps a 5 year old girl, shoots her full of cocaine and tries to rape her? You put him down. It's all very simple.

JRoo: You know coke is just going to make them twitchy and full of energy.

Probably why roofies are the preferred drug for would-be victims of rape.

She's small enough that the extra energy can only help me him.


What?

what_now: There should be more bruises.

Perhaps there are more bruises. Hopefully he got a shiatload of cockpunches

farm machine: You're obviously making the assumption that everyone born into this world deserves to be here. That's where the flaw in your logic resides.

You're obviously making the assumption that people need to "deserve" to live. If someone dies because you caused it, you've killed someone. I don't care what your excuses are, you killed another human being. It lowers you.

Well at least we know he won't make it two weeks in prison...

Raug the Dwarf: When a dog gets sick or rabid and can't be around people anymore, you put it down.

There's no difference here. None at all. Some people might like to think so, but when it boils down to it, we're just glorified primates.

Monkey escapes from a zoo and bites several people? You put it down. Man kidnaps a 5 year old girl, shoots her full of cocaine and tries to rape her? You put him down. It's all very simple.

I can actually get behind that rationale. I might argue that human life is worth more than a dog's life but the rationale that it's simply to prevent said person from doing further harm, I can get behind. Revenge -- which most of this thread seems to thrive under -- I cannot excuse.

imgod2u: Level22: Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

Nothing "requires" death. What it does require is to make sure people like this never have access to the rest of society. Now, if you wanna argue that life imprisonment is somehow unachievable and the only alternative short of just letting him free was the death penalty, *that* may be justification.

I'd say that life without parole is just a weak-willed death penalty. You've already sworn off on that individual's opportunity to redeem himself and ever re-enter society, but you're too squeamish, so you have to wait and wait and wait and wait for nature to pull the trigger? Please. Just because the blood isn't on your hands doesn't make it different.

I haven't made up my mind about the death penalty, but I have decided that if I oppose it 100% on moral grounds, then the consistent ethic is to oppose life without parole too.

opposing it on the grounds that if we make a mistake it can't be undone is different, IMO.

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

As a matter of disclosure, I'm generally not for the death penalty. I think we've complicated matters too much with the appeals process and various methods to make death more humane.

Most people don't want to die - for the most part even religious folks (non-fanatical) recognize that life down here isn't all that bad. Thus, the theory goes that if an act is heinous enough to be punished by death, others will not commit the same act.

This is generally flawed logic at its best, as some people -- as we are well aware -- do not have a problem with death, nor can they bring themselves from stopping a crime: The urge to kill is greater than the probability of an untimely death.

So in theory I do not think the death penalty is a an effective deterrent for others, however, I believe it is an effective punishment when the crime committed is so heinous that it violates all of our genetic coding that got us to the twenty-first century: Protect the children.

It is not a matter of stooping to another person's level, but protecting our future resources from predation by horrific humans. There is no reason to torture, just an immediate end to protect our society.

PJ_the_Barbarian: I know this is OT but it strikes a nerve with me: the whole argument about whether big government or small government is better misses the whole point that good government should be priority 1.

Throughout history, many have tried under some delusion to build a better government. They all failed. Then some guys came along and realized that anytime you put power in the hands of a few, you'll get the same thing. So they had this novel idea: make it as small as possible to get by.

FarkinHostile: BadSpongeBob

I've never actually tortured and killed anyone, but I like to think I could easily do so to monsters like this, and still sleep at night.


"Whoever battles with monsters had better see that it does not turn him into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

OOOOOOH, you can google a German philospher's quotes.

Do you have an opinion?

Yeah, don't battle monsters and don't look in dark holes. Thanks.

How about DON'T SHOOT UP LITTLE KIDS WITH DRUGS AND TRY TO RAPE THEM!!!

Unfortunately, he'll end up in a hospital, with three squares and top notch medical treatment for life...on our dime.

Fantastic.

FTA: "His attempt to commit suicide shows that he is certainly mentally unbalanced," Donatelle said.

Um... Wouldn't drugging and raping 6 year olds suggest that? You know, actually, attempting suicide afterwards may suggest less mental imbalance.

imgod2u:
This would be why the U.S. with one of the most severe systems of punishment among industrialized nations, also has the highest crime rate right? This is why state with capital punishment don't show any significantly lower (in most cases higher) crime rates as states that don't right? The idea that fear of punishment somehow deters crime has been historically and statistically shot down as nothing but myth so many times by people who actually look at data instead of just listening to "well, my gut feels it's this way" that I'm surprised any dumbfark actually brings it up. But I guess truthiness is enough for some.


Also, I am going to propose an argument to why the US has a high crime rate compared to other nations:
1) there is a shiat-load of things here that people find valuable and people want for themselves
2) 'americans' are selfish by nature and do not want to work for what they have, so they steal it
3) there is a hell of a lot more diversity here in cultures - creating more crimes... and the formation of gangs
4)comparing the US to any other 'industrialized' nation for crime rates is flawed from the beginning because the United States is where many people come for quick prosperity... and most go to extremes to get it

If there was no PUNISHMENT for crimes, more would be committed - end of story.

Not a refined argument, but it gets the point across.

imgod2u: farm machine: You're obviously making the assumption that everyone born into this world deserves to be here. That's where the flaw in your logic resides.

You're obviously making the assumption that people need to "deserve" to live. If someone dies because you caused it, you've killed someone. I don't care what your excuses are, you killed another human being. It lowers you.

Lowers? By whose standards, in what situation?

"His attempt to commit suicide shows that he is certainly mentally unbalanced,' Donatelle said.

No, I think that proves he was sane. Do you think he will get better treatment in prison?

at least

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

Stooping down only if Mr Shine is 6 not 26

japlemon: OOOOOOH, you can google a German philospher's quotes.

Do you have an opinion?

Yeah, don't battle monsters and don't look in dark holes. Thanks.

How about DON'T SHOOT UP LITTLE KIDS WITH DRUGS AND TRY TO RAPE THEM!!!

Unfortunately, he'll end up in a hospital, with three squares and top notch medical treatment for life...on our dime.

Fantastic.

The point being missed!

imgod2u: PJ_the_Barbarian: I know this is OT but it strikes a nerve with me: the whole argument about whether big government or small government is better misses the whole point that good government should be priority 1.

Throughout history, many have tried under some delusion to build a better government. They all failed. Then some guys came along and realized that anytime you put power in the hands of a few, you'll get the same thing. So they had this novel idea: make it as small as possible to get by.

Don't get me wrong: I'm a small-government man by nature. I think it's better. But I look at France, and I think, "Compared to us, they have a reasonably competent and effective public sector. Its size stifles entrepreneurship and its labor policies saddle it with 10% unemployment, but it still manages to function and govern a sizable economy. If we tried to expand the government to French proportions, here, with our attitude towards competent government, we'd wind up with at least 15% unemployment and we'd accomplish a lot less."

If there's no such thing as effective government, there's certainly such a thing as "less incompetent than it could be."

Consider the current regulatory environment: too much of the wrong kind of regulations and not enough of the right kind. One political party is saying add the right kind without getting rid of the stupid and onerous variety, and the other side is saying just get rid of the bad ones without adding some good ones. It's idiotic.

PJ_the_Barbarian: I'd say that life without parole is just a weak-willed death penalty.

You'd be wrong. You're not killing a human being. Life and death aren't shades of gray. There's no "partly living" unless you're Tim Burton or Joan Collins.

You've already sworn off on that individual's opportunity to redeem himself and ever re-enter society, but you're too squeamish, so you have to wait and wait and wait and wait for nature to pull the trigger?

Yes, having a hard principle: I will never kill another human being obviously makes me "squeamish" and "weak". I'm sorry, is my shait all retarded and am I talking like a fag?

Please. Just because the blood isn't on your hands doesn't make it different.

Actually, it does. The lack of blood would be the difference.

I haven't made up my mind about the death penalty, but I have decided that if I oppose it 100% on moral grounds, then the consistent ethic is to oppose life without parole too.

It is in no way consistent. Equating life imprisonment with death is like equating "natural food flavoring" with actual food. In the one, you're confining a person to a space separate from society. In the other, you're killing that person. Access to society != life. Human beings aren't defined by their jobs, friends, social connections, etc. They have intrinsic value.

imgod2u: farm machine: You're obviously making the assumption that everyone born into this world deserves to be here. That's where the flaw in your logic resides.

You're obviously making the assumption that people need to "deserve" to live. If someone dies because you caused it, you've killed someone. I don't care what your excuses are, you killed another human being. It lowers you.

People need to learn that there are consequences to their actions. Dire actions call for dire consequences. With life in prison comes the hope of escape - whether that is truly an escape or being released for some reason. Death is a hopeless consequence. Once you've entered that state there is no escaping it. There are a number of crimes that are so heinous that by committing them you forfeit your right to consume oxygen.

what_now: There should be more bruises.

That's some VERY fine police work there Lou.

Wow. More torture-revenge fantasies here than on Fox Nation...
What's wrong with you people?

Huck Chaser: StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

Torturing him would be wrong, but I don't think he was worth the resources it took to save him from his own suicide attempt.

I doubt the even really saved him. All the article says is he slit his wrists. Any overdramatic 15 year old can tell you from experience that you can live through that. I guarantee this dumbass went across the road, not up the highway.

I like my women like I like my whiskey...

21 or older, Irish, on the rocks, and not blended....

imgod2u: You'd be wrong. You're not killing a human being. Life and death aren't shades of gray. There's no "partly living" unless you're Tim Burton or Joan Collins.

farm machine: People need to learn that there are consequences to their actions. Dire actions call for dire consequences. With life in prison comes the hope of escape.

I'd say that's a flaw in the implementation, not the principle. The principle of life imprisonment is that you are there for life. The fact that our legal system may allow an avenue for release -- other than evidence that proves the person's innocence -- is a flaw of the legal system, not of the idea of life imprisonment.

And the idea that "dire consequences" somehow deters crime has been statistically disproved by every state that's tried it and gotten absolutely no decline in such crimes. I'm surprised anyone still tries to bring this "truthiness" up.

japlemon

OOOOOOH, you can google a German philospher's quotes.


Actually, I can quote that one from memory. It is a very important concept, one that many here who are fantasizing about torturing need to think about.

I do a lot of Albert Einstein and Robert A. Heinlein quotes, too. Without google most of the time, but I do copy and paste when I want to be totally accurate.

Do you have an opinion?

All sorts of opinions, but most of them are none of your business.

Yeah, don't battle monsters and don't look in dark holes. Thanks.

Now I understand; you do not have the ability to comprehend the meaning(s). Too bad, but typical, really. You should work on that. Lots of real life application.


How about DON'T SHOOT UP LITTLE KIDS WITH DRUGS AND TRY TO RAPE THEM!!!

Poor quote with very limited application. The caps lock yelling was particularly telling regarding your emotional state. I do agree with the sentiment, though.


Unfortunately, he'll end up in a hospital, with three squares and top notch medical treatment for life...on our dime.


Prison medical treatment top notch? Really?

Wait wait wait!

I've got it. Life in prison is too much of a drain on society. The death penalty is too harsh for some. But there's a third option. We find a remote island and send all our violent criminals there.


Antarctica works for me

FarkinHostile:


Prison medical treatment top notch? Really?

I'd take it over any HMO, hands down. It's probably better than what a lot of Americans have right now.

PJ_the_Barbarian: on't get me wrong: I'm a small-government man by nature. I think it's better. But I look at France, and I think, "Compared to us, they have a reasonably competent and effective public sector. Its size stifles entrepreneurship and its labor policies saddle it with 10% unemployment, but it still manages to function and govern a sizable economy. If we tried to expand the government to French proportions, here, with our attitude towards competent government, we'd wind up with at least 15% unemployment and we'd accomplish a lot less."

When comparing a government system the size of France to one the size of the U.S., one can't really expect the same results. The problem with even a perfect government is that it still has an inherent bureaucracy that grows in complexity and cost in direct proportion to population and nation size.

From an engineering perspective, at some size of a population, even in the ideal case, this is inherently less efficient than a cluster, peer-to-peer based arbitration system.

Communism works in small tribes too. It doesn't work with a large population.

If there's no such thing as effective government, there's certainly such a thing as "less incompetent than it could be."

I'd rather create a system that is designed not to fail rather than patch it up to be "less incompetent".

Consider the current regulatory environment: too much of the wrong kind of regulations and not enough of the right kind. One political party is saying add the right kind without getting rid of the stupid and onerous variety, and the other side is saying just get rid of the bad ones without adding some good ones. It's idiotic.

It's the inherent result of having a few people whose interests are not the same as that of the general population in power. It will always happen, always.

japlemon: Wait wait wait!

I've got it. Life in prison is too much of a drain on society. The death penalty is too harsh for some. But there's a third option. We find a remote island and send all our violent criminals there.


Antarctica works for me

Didn't the British try this?

imgod2u:

Some good points. Allow me to further explain where I'm coming from: I think that when you confine a person until death, you are declaring that this person's life is harmful to society and always will be harmful to society, and that you have decided to permanently terminate his ability to interact with society.

I think that this is inconsistent with the concepts of punishment and rehabilitation, which the penal system at least pays lip-service to on many occasions.

I think that sentencing someone to life without parole, if that person is capable of rehabilitation, is a disservice to that person. I think that it is similar to sentencing that person to die. I, personally, would not choose to draw the line that separates what I consider acceptable and what I consider unacceptable between the two. You are welcome to disagree.

Really, I'm arguing for life without parole to be replaced with life with a parole that's pretty hard to get.

Marla Singer's Laundry: I think this POS deserves the anal pear.

Seriously.

Well then you should pry it from your vagina.

imgod2u: And the idea that "dire consequences" somehow deters crime has been statistically disproved by every state that's tried it and gotten absolutely no decline in such crimes. I'm surprised anyone still tries to bring this "truthiness" up.

The beauty of "statistics" is that they can be spun to support virtually anyone position. When looking at crime rates were factors such as increase in population, significant civil events and other mitigating factors considered? The statistics could very well have been similar to the ones they use for alcohol related accidents. If I'm drunk and sitting in my parked car with the engine off and someone hits me, guess what? Alcohol related accident.

Take a look at the crime rates and recidivism rates in say Saudi Arabia. Pretty sure they would support the fact that swift and severe penalties work.

imgod2u: Didn't the British try this?

Austria isn't an island.

imgod2u: farm machine: You're obviously making the assumption that everyone born into this world deserves to be here. That's where the flaw in your logic resides.

You're obviously making the assumption that people need to "deserve" to live. If someone dies because you caused it, you've killed someone. I don't care what your excuses are, you killed another human being. It lowers you.

Does that mean that if I kill a bug, I'm lowered to its level? Wouldn't killing another human actually prove that the killer is the more superior life form?

/;o)

PJ_the_Barbarian: I think that when you confine a person until death, you are declaring that this person's life is harmful to society and always will be harmful to society, and that you have decided to permanently terminate his ability to interact with society.

I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.

I think that sentencing someone to life without parole, if that person is capable of rehabilitation, is a disservice to that person.

I disagree. I think everyone is entitled to life; human life has intrinsic value. I don't think everyone is entitled to live in society. Social interaction is a contract. You agree to abide by society's laws and society, in return, interacts with you. If you breach that contract, it is entirely at the mercy of society whether or not it wants to offer you a "second chance". I think it's nice to allow some type of rehabilitation, but I don't think it's a moral imperative.

I think that it is similar to sentencing that person to die.

There I will disagree vehemently. A person's life is not simply his interactions with society; a man living alone on an island is just as much of a human being -- and his life worth as much value -- as an executive managing a business in NYC. To remove a person's access to society, therefore, is entirely separate and tangent to taking his life.

Really, I'm arguing for life without parole to be replaced with life with a parole that's pretty hard to get.

I'm personally all for bringing back exiling. I know that space in this world's hard to come by but it's ultimately the fairest thing to do. You give him a chance to make a new life, but he can't do so within our borders because he's demonstrated he cannot be trusted.

When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Bf+: Wow. More torture-revenge fantasies here than on Fox Nation...
What's wrong with you people?

Fine, you can hold the whip

On one hand it seems that we have a number (majority) of people here that want this guy dead.....yet are probably against the death penalty.

On the other you have people (1 person?) who wants our tax money to support this guy living for the next 50 years (possible) in prison (~$4 million dollars, ~$80,000 per yr).

Whereas japlemon has the best idea put them somewhere remote....like the big garbage dump floating in a Pacific. Only cost is getting him/them out there. Then let'm fend for themselves.

imgod2u: PJ_the_Barbarian: I think that when you confine a person until death, you are declaring that this person's life is harmful to society and always will be harmful to society, and that you have decided to permanently terminate his ability to interact with society.

I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.

I think that sentencing someone to life without parole, if that person is capable of rehabilitation, is a disservice to that person.

I disagree. I think everyone is entitled to life; human life has intrinsic value. I don't think everyone is entitled to live in society. Social interaction is a contract. You agree to abide by society's laws and society, in return, interacts with you. If you breach that contract, it is entirely at the mercy of society whether or not it wants to offer you a "second chance". I think it's nice to allow some type of rehabilitation, but I don't think it's a moral imperative.

I think that it is similar to sentencing that person to die.

There I will disagree vehemently. A person's life is not simply his interactions with society; a man living alone on an island is just as much of a human being -- and his life worth as much value -- as an executive managing a business in NYC. To remove a person's access to society, therefore, is entirely separate and tangent to taking his life.

Really, I'm arguing for life without parole to be replaced with life with a parole that's pretty hard to get.

I'm personally all for bringing back exiling. I know that space in this world's hard to come by but it's ultimately the fairest thing to do. You give him a chance to make a new life, but he can't do so within our borders because he's demonstrated he cannot be trusted.

When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

interesting.

farm machine: Take a look at the crime rates and recidivism rates in say Saudi Arabia. Pretty sure they would support the fact that swift and severe penalties work.

That's what we're missing, and it's really, really important.

farm machine: When looking at crime rates were factors such as increase in population, significant civil events and other mitigating factors considered?

Do you know that crime rates is expressed in percentage of population? And did you know that *every* state in the U.S. generally receives the same overall social trends and experiences these "mitigating factors" and yet, States that implement a death penalty see no tangible result in violent crimes that are punishable by death?

Please spare me the "but but you're not sure". You decided to make a "my gut tells me" claim that threatening people with death -- people who are farked up enough in the head to slaughter others -- is somehow a deterrent and I pointed out the BS.

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

imgod2u: PJ_the_Barbarian: I think that when you confine a person until death, you are declaring that this person's life is harmful to society and always will be harmful to society, and that you have decided to permanently terminate his ability to interact with society.

I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.

I think that sentencing someone to life without parole, if that person is capable of rehabilitation, is a disservice to that person.

I disagree. I think everyone is entitled to life; human life has intrinsic value. I don't think everyone is entitled to live in society. Social interaction is a contract. You agree to abide by society's laws and society, in return, interacts with you. If you breach that contract, it is entirely at the mercy of society whether or not it wants to offer you a "second chance". I think it's nice to allow some type of rehabilitation, but I don't think it's a moral imperative.

I think that it is similar to sentencing that person to die.

There I will disagree vehemently. A person's life is not simply his interactions with society; a man living alone on an island is just as much of a human being -- and his life worth as much value -- as an executive managing a business in NYC. To remove a person's access to society, therefore, is entirely separate and tangent to taking his life.

Really, I'm arguing for life without parole to be replaced with life with a parole that's pretty hard to get.

I'm personally all for bringing back exiling. I know that space in this world's hard to come by but it's ultimately the fairest thing to do. You give him a chance to make a new life, but he can't do so within our borders because he's demonstrated he cannot be trusted.

When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Exile is untenable. It's rude, basically. You're saying "Here's a person too disgusting to stay in my country. Somebody else take him." It's like double-dipping in the salsa bowl at the UN.

How can you say that this guy should be condemned to death when you don't even know the whole story?

For all we know, this so-called "victim" could have been leading him on.



Welcome to FARK Nancy!

imgod2u: farm machine: When looking at crime rates were factors such as increase in population, significant civil events and other mitigating factors considered?

Do you know that crime rates is expressed in percentage of population? And did you know that *every* state in the U.S. generally receives the same overall social trends and experiences these "mitigating factors" and yet, States that implement a death penalty see no tangible result in violent crimes that are punishable by death?

Please spare me the "but but you're not sure". You decided to make a "my gut tells me" claim that threatening people with death -- people who are farked up enough in the head to slaughter others -- is somehow a deterrent and I pointed out the BS.

Obviously you're of the opinion that it is wrong to kill a person for any reason as everyone has some intrinsic value. I'm okay with that.

I'm of the opinion that there are some crimes that warrant the immediate end to one's existence in society. The only secluded spot they deserve here is a pine box located 6 ft. below ground level. Rehabilitation doesn't work and we don't need to house these folks and continue to drain society.

PJ_the_Barbarian: Exile is untenable. It's rude, basically. You're saying "Here's a person too disgusting to stay in my country. Somebody else take him." It's like double-dipping in the salsa bowl at the UN.

The notion here is that "if you don't belong to a country, you're not a person." I disagree with this. Nations, nationhood and citizenship are constructs; abstract constructs created by people to regulate amongst themselves. A nation doesn't "own" a person and it certainly doesn't "give" that person to another one.

Exiling is kicking someone out of the club. Whether or not another club takes him is entirely up to the other organization. The only morally consistent goal of a society when dealing with an unwanted person is to not allow him access. Society is only responsible for a person under the social contract.

Whether that's "rude" or not is irrelevant. It's the only thing that doesn't violate any moral imperatives -- I'm not religious, but I'm going to borrow one from that Moses dude: thou shalt not kill -- and still maintains the duty of a society to keep its members safe.

THIS is why we NEED the Mars Program.

The first colony on Mars should be named New Sydney and populated with scum like this.

farm machine: I'm of the opinion that there are some crimes that warrant the immediate end to one's existence in society. The only secluded spot they deserve here is a pine box located 6 ft. below ground level. Rehabilitation doesn't work and we don't need to house these folks and continue to drain society.

You and I can disagree on whether life has intrinsic value or not. I would point out that "existence in society" is not mutually exclusive with "living". You're not either "living in society" or "dead". People lived long before the entire construct of "society" even existed and their lives had just as much value then.

But please do not try to veil your own disregard for human life as some "it's the only way to deter it" BS. I can understand and simply disagree with the notion that human life is expendable. That may not be consistent with my own beliefs but at least it is intellectually honest.

Email his name/address to Dexter....

/who is not me
// absolutely not me
/// definately not me....

StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.
I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!
LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!
EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!
Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

THIS

/CAPS LOCK HELL YEAH

Kyotee: Email his name/address to Dexter....

/who is not me
// absolutely not me
/// definately not me....

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

Dead criminals (determined as such by a fair trial) are not repeat offenders.

So how many people here want to see this guy die in a painful fashion yet praised MJ after his death? I am just curious what the hypocrite ratio on fark is today.

budsterr: So how many people here want to see this guy die in a painful fashion yet praised MJ after his death? I am just curious what the hypocrite ratio on fark is today.

It's not hypocrisy if you don't believe MJ was guilty. Lots of people are unable to believe the worst about their icons. My parish got a new pastor probably ~ 6 or 8 years ago, and the neighborhood ultraconservative busybody just loved him. She thought he was just the best priest we'd ever had - then he got arrested for soliciting a male prostitute. Most of us were just relieved it wasn't an altar boy - he had a creepy vibe about him and nobody was that surprised except the busybody. To this day she's convinced it must have been a misunderstanding.

What should be done with these criminals? (new window) Is justice for the victim important?

frankencj: What should be done with these criminals? (new window) Is justice for the victim important?

This particular definition of justice is a little shaky: they might get some peace of mind from the fact that the offender is gone, and a guilty verdict certainly strengthens their case if they choose to bring some kind of civil suit to seek damages of some kind, but it doesn't actually make them safer or replace what's been taken from them: statistically, one offender is a drop in the bucket and convicting a rapist doesn't "un-rape" the victims. Unless you can quantify how much "justice" they receive from confinement vs death vs rehabilitation, this is just words.

budsterr So how many people here want to see this guy die in a painful fashion yet praised MJ after his death? I am just curious what the hypocrite ratio on fark is today.


Well, not me I guess.

I'd love to see this guy die in a painful fashion, considering he's already probably ruined that little girl's life forever (make no mistake), but I don't recall every praising MJ either before or after his death.

You must be equating allegations against MJ from known extortionists to a man caught red-handed kidnapping and drugging a sobbing little girl who identified him and had his blood all over her.

Nice try.

StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.

imgod2u:
I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.


When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Where is this contract one signs? What I mean is, one does not choose the society they are born into and furthermore they usually do not have the means as a legal adult (18 in the USA) to leave said society before signing the so-called unwritten social contract.

Additionally, there seems to be no place on this planet where there are dramatically different social contracts available for particular mindset of people to exist is there? This may not seem to be an issue, but let us play with the idea for a moment. If there was a region, small nation perhaps, where one could be as amoral as they so choose according to the social contract of that region, then such individuals would have a place to exist without having to upset or be punished by societies where such behavior/actions are not part of the social contract.

The idea that a social contract must be followed without any formal agreement and/or ability to not sign the contract and be afforded the chance, along with being provided the means, to leave said society to seek out a society with a social contract that is found to more suitable in the eye of each individual is a fundamental flaw in condemning certain individuals in the first place.

There is no choice, but there is punishment for not agreeing with the rules one was bound to without formal agreement; a short of informal imposed slavery via birth... seems ridiculous to me. A solution would be to effectively have different areas/regions that have different social contracts for different individuals needs and the means to allow and facilitate the means to get the individual there. Better to pay for the coke injecting child rapists into that region than paying for there prison stay I think.

danknerd

Blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

/bang bang baby

beerrun

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.


Yes, of course we will drug and molest your daughters to see if you are serious about your internet bravado. Address?

danknerd: imgod2u:
I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.


When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Where is this contract one signs? What I mean is, one does not choose the society they are born into and furthermore they usually do not have the means as a legal adult (18 in the USA) to leave said society before signing the so-called unwritten social contract.

Additionally, there seems to be no place on this planet where there are dramatically different social contracts available for particular mindset of people to exist is there? This may not seem to be an issue, but let us play with the idea for a moment. If there was a region, small nation perhaps, where one could be as amoral as they so choose according to the social contract of that region, then such individuals would have a place to exist without having to upset or be punished by societies where such behavior/actions are not part of the social contract.

The idea that a social contract must be followed without any formal agreement and/or ability to not sign the contract and be afforded the chance, along with being provided the means, to leave said society to seek out a society with a social contract that is found to more suitable in the eye of each individual is a fundamental flaw in condemning certain individuals in the first place.

There is no choice, but there is punishment for not agreeing with the rules one was bound to without formal agreement; a short of informal imposed slavery via birth... seems ridiculous to me. A solution would be to effectively have different areas/regions that have different social contracts for different individuals needs and the means to allow and facilitate the means to get the individual there. Better to pay for the coke injecting child rapists into that region than paying for there prison stay I think.

so your reaction to sex crimes is that it's a shame there's no place where they're ok?

beerrun: what_now: There should be more bruises.

THIS.

As a father of a 5 yr old and 4 yr old daughter I would say he would have been lucky that the cops got to him before me if he had harmed one of my girls like that.
I'm not a violent person, but when it comes to protecting or defending my family, someone like that would have been beaten unconscious and then left in his house while I burned it down.
Scumbag.

His fellow inmates will take very good care of him..by very good care of him I mean turn his anus into a theme park.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: THIS is why we NEED the Mars Program.

The first colony on Mars should be named New Sydney and populated with scum like this.

Oh Great! So they can discover the 'Alien Technologies' first and come back and destroy us for sending them off the planet in the first place.

danknerd: imgod2u:
I agree. I think of life imprisonment like the old-style exiling. It's a perfectly logical response of society: you sign a contract to be a sane person and follow our laws to live amongst us, if you don't, you forfeit your right to *be amongst us*. That's the social contract.


When you forfeit society's rules, you forfeit society's protections and benefits. That doesn't mean you don't have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Where is this contract one signs? What I mean is, one does not choose the society they are born into and furthermore they usually do not have the means as a legal adult (18 in the USA) to leave said society before signing the so-called unwritten social contract.

Additionally, there seems to be no place on this planet where there are dramatically different social contracts available for particular mindset of people to exist is there? This may not seem to be an issue, but let us play with the idea for a moment. If there was a region, small nation perhaps, where one could be as amoral as they so choose according to the social contract of that region, then such individuals would have a place to exist without having to upset or be punished by societies where such behavior/actions are not part of the social contract.

The idea that a social contract must be followed without any formal agreement and/or ability to not sign the contract and be afforded the chance, along with being provided the means, to leave said society to seek out a society with a social contract that is found to more suitable in the eye of each individual is a fundamental flaw in condemning certain individuals in the first place.

There is no choice, but there is punishment for not agreeing with the rules one was bound to without formal agreement; a short of informal imposed slavery via birth... seems ridiculous to me. A solution would be to effectively have different areas/regions that have different social contracts for different individuals needs and the means to allow and facilitate the means to get the individual there. Better to pay for the coke injecting child rapists into that region than paying for there prison stay I think.





I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

danknerd: PeterPipersPickledPecker: THIS is why we NEED the Mars Program.

The first colony on Mars should be named New Sydney and populated with scum like this.

Oh Great! So they can discover the 'Alien Technologies' first and come back and destroy us for sending them off the planet in the first place.

If they can pull that off, then yes.

beerrun:
DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.
===============================

Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

If there really were anarchy, every self-proclaimed anarchist I've ever met would be eaten alive in the phase of barbaric tribalism that would arise about a week after the abolition of social order.

danknerd: Where is this contract one signs? What I mean is, one does not choose the society they are born into and furthermore they usually do not have the means as a legal adult (18 in the USA) to leave said society before signing the so-called unwritten social contract.

Actually, you can forfeit your citizenship in most modern democratic countries anytime you want, including the U.S. You stop paying taxes, you are no longer bound by U.S. law, but you can't own property on (or even enter in many cases) U.S. soil and are not afforded protection by the U.S.

So wanna do lines of coke off a tranny prostitute's needle-marked asscrack? Hate that the laws of the U.S. prevents you from doing so? Go to international waters.

Get attacked by a pirate while out there? Tough.

Additionally, there seems to be no place on this planet where there are dramatically different social contracts available for particular mindset of people to exist is there?

There are plenty of uninhabited and unclaimed territories on this planet still.

This may not seem to be an issue, but let us play with the idea for a moment. If there was a region, small nation perhaps, where one could be as amoral as they so choose according to the social contract of that region, then such individuals would have a place to exist without having to upset or be punished by societies where such behavior/actions are not part of the social contract.

A region, yes, a "small nation", no. As soon as there is a nation, there is a social construct and a contract required to live there.

The idea that a social contract must be followed without any formal agreement and/or ability to not sign the contract and be afforded the chance, along with being provided the means, to leave said society to seek out a society with a social contract that is found to more suitable in the eye of each individual is a fundamental flaw in condemning certain individuals in the first place.

The fundamental flaw is that said person has to be provided with an alternative society. The flaw is assuming that everyone *has* to be in a society at all. The flaw is assuming that a society is responsible for where a person goes after they've kicked him out. And the ultimate flaw is thinking that one cannot forfeit one's citizenship at will (at least in most modern democratic countries). This is false.

DROxINxTHExWIND: beerrun:
DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.
===============================

Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

Drox, he is obviously a 5-hour-energy-shot man...

PeterPipersPickledPecker: DROxINxTHExWIND: beerrun:
DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.
===============================

Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

Drox, he is obviously a 5-hour-energy-shot man...

sounded more like red bull to me.

imgod2u: But please do not try to veil your own disregard for human life as some "it's the only way to deter it" BS. I can understand and simply disagree with the notion that human life is expendable. That may not be consistent with my own beliefs but at least it is intellectually honest.

Don't recall ever stating that "it's the only way to deter it". What I do advocate is that it needs to be an option that is available for certain crimes. It may not deter crime but it does have a 0% recidivism rate. Of that I'm sure we can all agree. Will be interesting to see what words you decide to credit to me this time.

PJ_the_Barbarian: sounded more like red bull to me.

It's the coke he found at the crime scene.

PJ_the_Barbarian:
so your reaction to sex crimes is that it's a shame there's no place where they're ok?

Not exactly. This so-called social contract that imgod2u is suggesting is not fundamental ideal. Meaning more than just having to live by a contract opposed to sex crimes, there could be other things in said social contract that one may not necessarily agree with but they had no choice in what society they were born in; and are given no means by which to a null contract through disagreement and/or relocating to a different set of social contractual terms. Thereby one is condemned through the actions of their parents fornication into a system of societal slavery. This does not sound very 'civilized' to me, hence it is why I personally believe we are nothing but monkey killing monkey, monkey farking monkey and so on.

PJ_the_Barbarian: PeterPipersPickledPecker: I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

If there really were anarchy, every self-proclaimed anarchist I've ever met would be eaten alive in the phase of barbaric tribalism that would arise about a week after the abolition of social order.

That would be "The Land of Take What You Want"

\"Strength through Unity
\\Unity through Faith"

DROxINxTHExWIND: Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: Drox, he is obviously a 5-hour-energy-shot man...

Spoken like a couple dudes who obviously have no kids (that they know of, anyway.)
Don't even bother posting if you have no clue what it's like to be a father.
And I don't mean sending a monthly check to some chick you knocked up.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: danknerd: imgod2u:


I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

You shouldn't assume that I do or do not agree with the social contract I am bound to, that is not a logical discourse for determining as such. Maybe you should ask first?

Anyways... I was just pointing out a flaw, in my opinion, that I see, not a claim that I wish to leave or oppose the social contracts terms where I currently reside.

i thought that's how you made a dead baby float

beerrun: DROxINxTHExWIND: Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: Drox, he is obviously a 5-hour-energy-shot man...

Spoken like a couple dudes who obviously have no kids (that they know of, anyway.)
Don't even bother posting if you have no clue what it's like to be a father.
And I don't mean sending a monthly check to some chick you knocked up.

THAT hostility bears the rich, smokey flavor of shattered dreams coupled with a piquant afertaste of marital emasculation...

Sorry for commenting on things that set you off, dude.

farm machine: imgod2u: But please do not try to veil your own disregard for human life as some "it's the only way to deter it" BS. I can understand and simply disagree with the notion that human life is expendable. That may not be consistent with my own beliefs but at least it is intellectually honest.

Don't recall ever stating that "it's the only way to deter it". What I do advocate is that it needs to be an option that is available for certain crimes. It may not deter crime but it does have a 0% recidivism rate. Of that I'm sure we can all agree. Will be interesting to see what words you decide to credit to me this time.

My mistake. I went back and the initial poster I was responding to (which you followed up to) was the one who made the claim:

"The ONLY thing that deters crime is punishment."

I actually agree with you on that point. I'm not saying that there aren't situations where death might be necessary. I'm saying that if the alternative of life imprisonment, exile, or any method that can ensure (to a reasonable degree) society's safety without killing is available, that taking the option of the death penalty is morally wrong.

In modern society, especially in the U.S., the situation of "kill or be killed" is almost never true in the legal system.

danknerd: PeterPipersPickledPecker: danknerd: imgod2u:


I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

You shouldn't assume that I do or do not agree with the social contract I am bound to, that is not a logical discourse for determining as such. Maybe you should ask first?

Anyways... I was just pointing out a flaw, in my opinion, that I see, not a claim that I wish to leave or oppose the social contracts terms where I currently reside.

Given the verbiage of your statement, inference on my part was not necessary - your intent was elucidated quite clearly.

beerrun: DROxINxTHExWIND: Ok. I know you will. Settle down before you spill Vitamin Water onto your keyboard, killer.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: Drox, he is obviously a 5-hour-energy-shot man...

Spoken like a couple dudes who obviously have no kids (that they know of, anyway.)
Don't even bother posting if you have no clue what it's like to be a father.
And I don't mean sending a monthly check to some chick you knocked up.

LOL. We know what they say about making assumptions. I have two children that I love more than I can express in words. I sacrifice for them everyday, not just on web forums in imaginary situations. But, I'm a grown man so I don't feel a need to threaten strangers with death on an anonymous board. Nor do I believe that embracing vigilantism somehow makes you a better father than a man who would simply call the police. So to summarize, I'm not impressed.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: Given the verbiage of your statement, inference on my part was not necessary - your intent was elucidated quite clearly.

And I believe you're a anglophilocrat. Ya. See? I can use big words too.

beerrun: StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.

THIS. I LITERALLY invite you to rape MY daughter and watch what will happen. I will farking shoot you so hard you will be dead. Seriously I would LOVE to watch you try to rape and kill MY daughter. I am a DAMN good father and a MAN. Come on, I freaking double dare you, lets make a deal. If you hurt my daughter and get away with it Ill pay you. Deal or no deal? Put my daughter in jeopardy and watch what will happen. Do NOT press your luck with me libtard because I will teach you what being a MAN is all about. Hell, Ill even give you a million dollars if you do it. Do you think the price is right? Who wants to be a millionaire? All you have to do is rape my daughter and get away with it and I will literally give it to you assuming Obama hasnt already taken it away and put me into debt with his $100000 pyramid scheme he calls a "stimulus". Look libtard, do NOT harm my family. Few do and the ones who have get a bullet to the head. Do you think I would just beat you with my fists? Pass. Swords? Pass. No, Im using my guns on you. I will cut through you like fresh ham at the supermarket. Sweeping the leg is NOT an option. I will set you on fire with a single match. Game over. Come on, do you have the guts? What would you do when my weapons are going wild on you? Spin the wheel of fortune you sick son of a biatch and watch what happens.

imgod2u: PeterPipersPickledPecker: Given the verbiage of your statement, inference on my part was not necessary - your intent was elucidated quite clearly.

And I believe you're a anglophilocrat. Ya. See? I can use big words too.



"Bully for you, sir!"

beerrun

Spoken like a couple dudes who obviously have no kids (that they know of, anyway.)
Don't even bother posting if you have no clue what it's like to be a father.


If becoming completely irrational and pathetically threatening people on the internet is the result of fatherhood, then I am all set with it. Thanks.

I'm getting soft in my old age. Once I would have really spun you relentlessly with horrible comments after knowing you were all worked up about this, but I just can't seem to work up the ambition.


/waiting for the "don't breed" comment

StopArrestingMe

THIS. I LITERALLY invite you to rape MY daughter and watch what will happen.


You INVITE people to rape your daughter so you can exact vengeance on them?

Jesus, you people have issues.

Not much of a father inviting people to rape your daughter so you can feel like a man, IMNSHO.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

Killing and harming someone that has done nothing is wrong.
Killing and harming someone that has killed or harmed someone that didn't deserve it is not wrong.

It's not the killing and harming someone we are punishing or want to punish, it's the doing it to an innocent person that we have a problem with.

FarkinHostile: StopArrestingMe

THIS. I LITERALLY invite you to rape MY daughter and watch what will happen.


You INVITE people to rape your daughter so you can exact vengeance on them?

Jesus, you people have issues.

Not much of a father inviting people to rape your daughter so you can feel like a man, IMNSHO.

You ARE getting old if you missed sarcasm as bold as that...

:^)

PeterPipersPickledPecker: danknerd: PeterPipersPickledPecker: danknerd: imgod2u:


I bet the reason that you are still alive with that messed up attitude of yours is that very same social contract that you so snidely eschew...

You shouldn't assume that I do or do not agree with the social contract I am bound to, that is not a logical discourse for determining as such. Maybe you should ask first?

Anyways... I was just pointing out a flaw, in my opinion, that I see, not a claim that I wish to leave or oppose the social contracts terms where I currently reside.

Given the verbiage of your statement, inference on my part was not necessary - your intent was elucidated quite clearly.

Your circumlocution renders your rejoinder abstruse: Was your intention to endorse or castigate?

PeterPipersPickledPecker

You ARE getting old if you missed sarcasm as bold as that...


Eh, I stopped reading after the first few lines.

StopArrestingMe

My apologies. Funny shiat right there.


Sweeping the leg not an option.....heh. :)

he gave her some free drugs and this is how she says "thanks"?

LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: FarkinHostile: StopArrestingMe

THIS. I LITERALLY invite you to rape MY daughter and watch what will happen.


You INVITE people to rape your daughter so you can exact vengeance on them?

Jesus, you people have issues.

Not much of a father inviting people to rape your daughter so you can feel like a man, IMNSHO.

You ARE getting old if you missed sarcasm as bold as that...

:^)

I thought " Sweeping the leg is NOT an option. I will set you on fire with a single match. Game over." gave it away

beerrun: LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

you --------------------------------------- the point

The comments directed your way are not suggesting that you're a bad person, but that you talk a good game but don't actually have the stones for real violence.

beerrun: I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

Thankfully, we have laws against vigilantism. Not that I blame you, I'd probably have the same impulse, but I can separate my baser, primitive instincts from my philosophical principles.

sje1978: If this happened to my daughter, Justin Shine would be found with his own dick in his mouth.


Why would you reward him by teaching him an awesome skill?

PJ_the_Barbarian: beerrun: LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

you --------------------------------------- the point

The comments directed your way are not suggesting that you're a bad person, but that you talk a good game but don't actually have the stones for real violence.

Do you have kids, Mr. Barbarian?

beerrun: LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

Beer,

I would imagine that any sentient being would have these feelings concerning that situation.

What we are ripping on is the fact that you felt the need to actually SAY it (repeatedly) and with such great conviction and vehemence.

You would defend your child from an attacker - well, DUH!!!

We know - we would, too.

It's basic humanity.

Relax.

Jeff73: sje1978: If this happened to my daughter, Justin Shine would be found with his own dick in his mouth.


Why would you reward him by teaching him an awesome skill?

LOL!!!

beerrun: LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

StopArrestingMe: THIS. I LITERALLY invite you to rape MY daughter and watch what will happen. I will farking shoot you so hard you will be dead. Seriously I would LOVE to watch you try to rape and kill MY daughter. I am a DAMN good father and a MAN. Come on, I freaking double dare you, lets make a deal. If you hurt my daughter and get away with it Ill pay you. Deal or no deal? Put my daughter in jeopardy and watch what will happen. Do NOT press your luck with me libtard because I will teach you what being a MAN is all about. Hell, Ill even give you a million dollars if you do it. Do you think the price is right? Who wants to be a millionaire? All you have to do is rape my daughter and get away with it and I will literally give it to you assuming Obama hasnt already taken it away and put me into debt with his $100000 pyramid scheme he calls a "stimulus". Look libtard, do NOT harm my family. Few do and the ones who have get a bullet to the head. Do you think I would just beat you with my fists? Pass. Swords? Pass. No, Im using my guns on you. I will cut through you like fresh ham at the supermarket. Sweeping the leg is NOT an option. I will set you on fire with a single match. Game over. Come on, do you have the guts? What would you do when my weapons are going wild on you? Spin the wheel of fortune you sick son of a biatch and watch what happens.

What'd I miss?
(also, not your best work, sorry)

beerrun: PJ_the_Barbarian: beerrun: LOL, you guys are funny.
Some feel that you are a better person for not wanting to harm someone who physically and emotionally scars your child for life. Good for you. I'm sure you're great parent and I'm happy for you.

I stand by my first statement that if that joker abducted my child, injected her with cocaine and attempted to rape her, I would kill him. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

you --------------------------------------- the point

The comments directed your way are not suggesting that you're a bad person, but that you talk a good game but don't actually have the stones for real violence.

Do you have kids, Mr. Barbarian?

no... nor am I much more than a spectator in this one.

So wherever you're going with that is misdirected.

Jeff73: sje1978: If this happened to my daughter, Justin Shine would be found with his own dick in his mouth.


Why would you reward him by teaching him an awesome skill?

LMAO!!!

JRoo: Mini Ditka: There is no place on this planet for that piece of shiat.

Maybe that's why he started farking kids in the first place.

If we can't learn to control our own over-population and mental health, war and murder and every horror in between will do it for us.

huh? Why is it always someone else's responsibility to take care of overpopulation and there you sit smugly typing on a fark thread...did you just call for the killing of populations? Geraldo is that you?

you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Accent: The ONLY thing that deters crime is punishment.
Hell, if I could go out and commit a crime and know I would only get counseling afterwards... there are quite a few I have in mind I would want to try.

Actually, punishment is dependent on a crime having been committed, therefore, it fails as a deterrent. Semantics aside, a case like this only needs one tool to achieve the desired result:


Now THAT'S a deterrent!

beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Ladies, be nice...

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.

Brainsick: Now THAT'S a deterrent!

I think I just felt my anus tighten up a bit... they do that, right?

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oh no you di'nt!

/snaps fingers

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.


Frowns on your shenanigans...

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.

Now we know what Magua's fark handle is!

PeterPipersPickledPecker: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.


Frowns on your shenanigans...

Damn your eyes!

imgod2u
And the idea that "dire consequences" somehow deters crime has been statistically disproved by every state that's tried it and gotten absolutely no decline in such crimes. I'm surprised anyone still tries to bring this "truthiness" up.

Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

I'm just surprised a couple of fark users got my point.

you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.

I wish MY dad was a shiat-talking internet psycho...

/your kid would be so proud

Brainsick: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: beerrun: you are a puppet: No youre definitely a better parent for inviting the people of fark to assault your daughter. If youre not wearing a #1 DAD shirt right now you should be.

Hyperbole is not your strong point, is it?

Fatherhood's not yours, is it?

Oooh, snappy comeback, sparky. I hope you didn't hurt yourself thinking that one up.

I invite you to say this to my face. Before killing you I will put your daughters under the knife so you know your seed is wiped from the earth.

I wish MY dad was a shiat-talking internet psycho...

/your kid would be so proud

You missed it.

Sigh......



Yeah yeah, I know the drill.....

Brainsick: Now THAT'S a deterrent!

remarkable

brandied: Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

Hence my exile idea.

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

You've just ignored another person's right to life. Oh I'm sorry, did you mean to add "except "?

imgod2u: brandied: Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

Hence my exile idea.

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

You've just ignored another person's right to life. Oh I'm sorry, did you mean to add "except "?

RIGHT TO LIFE? Right to life is contingent on the right of someone's daughter not to be injected with cocaine and raped!!!!!

/!!!!
//!

discordium: imgod2u: brandied: Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

Hence my exile idea.

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

You've just ignored another person's right to life. Oh I'm sorry, did you mean to add "except "?

RIGHT TO LIFE? Right to life is contingent on the right of someone's daughter not to be injected with cocaine and raped!!!!!

/!!!!
//!



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imgod2u: Life and death aren't shades of gray. There's no "partly living"

This depends on whether or not you are stupid enough to keep your entire identity tied up in one fragile fleshbag.

PeterPipersPickledPecker: discordium: imgod2u: brandied: Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

Hence my exile idea.

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

You've just ignored another person's right to life. Oh I'm sorry, did you mean to add "except "?

RIGHT TO LIFE? Right to life is contingent on the right of someone's daughter not to be injected with cocaine and raped!!!!!

/!!!!
//!



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I was thinking more:

abb3w

imgod2u: Life and death aren't shades of gray. There's no "partly living"

This depends on whether or not you are stupid enough to keep your entire identity tied up in one fragile fleshbag.


abb3w casts Magic Jar. Make a saving throw.

imgod2u: PeterPipersPickledPecker: discordium: imgod2u: brandied: Philosophy and psychology aside, I'd just want wankos like this guy away from my daughters. I don't care if you kill them, lock them up forever, ship them off to Australia or Mars, just keep them away from my children. I don't care about the deterrent effect of punishment, just keeping their crazy selves away from my world...

Hence my exile idea.

P.S. The idea that a person--who completely ignores another person's rights to life and happiness--has rights to life and happiness, is absurd.

You've just ignored another person's right to life. Oh I'm sorry, did you mean to add "except "?

RIGHT TO LIFE? Right to life is contingent on the right of someone's daughter not to be injected with cocaine and raped!!!!!

/!!!!
//!



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I was thinking more:

I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

There are corset threads?!?

discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

A quick search of this thread shows you as one of two people to use "wtf". In fact, the majority of this thread has been fairly reasoned save a few outliers of internet tough guys and knee-jerk reactionists.

I'm not normally in favor of tooting Fark's horns but in this case, I'll say it. The Fark average is better than you.

Did you say...STRIPPER...?

Did you say...CORSET...?

imgod2u: discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

A quick search of this thread shows you as one of two people to use "wtf". In fact, the majority of this thread has been fairly reasoned save a few outliers of internet tough guys and knee-jerk reactionists.

I'm not normally in favor of tooting Fark's horns but in this case, I'll say it. The Fark average is better than you.

"...And THAT is why you fail..."

sandi_fish: If that was my kid, I'd be in jail right now.

Then you shouldn't be giving your kids coke and trying to rape them.

PeterPipersPickledPecker:

finally, someone with the right idea joins this thread!

PeterPipersPickledPecker: imgod2u: discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

A quick search of this thread shows you as one of two people to use "wtf". In fact, the majority of this thread has been fairly reasoned save a few outliers of internet tough guys and knee-jerk reactionists.

I'm not normally in favor of tooting Fark's horns but in this case, I'll say it. The Fark average is better than you.

"...And THAT is why you fail..."

My use was in response to a quote. I also assume you didn't read my Boobies in detail.

Also, by your logic, you are also now one of the people to use "wtf."

/just saying
//read my other post

mr pity: discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

There are corset threads?!?

YES! Just look at the last seven days, maybe it was two weeks. Awesome thread.

discordium: PeterPipersPickledPecker: imgod2u: discordium: I suppose my reply should've been a simple: "WTF?" That's more appropriate for half these threads. Except boobies, corset, or stripper threads.

A quick search of this thread shows you as one of two people to use "wtf". In fact, the majority of this thread has been fairly reasoned save a few outliers of internet tough guys and knee-jerk reactionists.

I'm not normally in favor of tooting Fark's horns but in this case, I'll say it. The Fark average is better than you.

"...And THAT is why you fail..."

My use was in response to a quote. I also assume you didn't read my Boobies in detail.

Also, by your logic, you are also now one of the people to use "wtf."

/just saying
//read my other post

I just got filter pw3nd!

beerrun: StoneyBologna: Not trolling. Dead serious.

Please explain to me how you justify killing someone or harming someone to show that killing or harming someone is inherently wrong.

If you're saying that you'll stoop down to their level, that's fine. But then you're just as bad. If you can't see that I can't help you.

DROxINxTHExWIND: They're just blowing off steam. Most of them are pussies who wouldn't do shiat but run to the phone and call the police...and there's nothing wrong with doing that. So, I'm not sure why there's always a need to go internet Rambo.

Its just the way they express their disgust.

Not trolling. Dead serious.
I invite any of you cocksuckers on this forum to attempt to harm either of my daughters like this scumbag did. I will farking kill you.

So you're inviting people to harm your daughter so you can prove some manliness? Methinks you should give your child to child protective services, they'll be better off for it.

UnspokenVoice: So you're inviting people to harm your daughter so you can prove some manliness? Methinks you should give your child to child protective services, they'll be better off for it.

Welcome to the party, pal.

This thread has sadly lost its way.
It's over.

Go be douchebags all fresh somewhere else.

beerrun, watch over your kids.

the rest of you go look for someone kidnapping and drugging children so you can defend him when the cops show up

If you want to be civil at least cut off his Thumbs and Dick. I don't care if you use anesthesia. Just take them away.

Fail Tag
Worst headline ever. lets ban his ip.

Level22: StoneyBologna: Oh and I love everyones' ethics on this thread.

I'D HAVE BEAT HIM UNCONSCIOUS AND BURNED HIS HOUSE DOWN!

LET HIM BLEED TO DEATH!

EUTHANASIA IS TOO KIND! TORTURE THE BASTARD!


Cool, guys. Causing pain and suffering is wrong, and should be punished! ....by....pain and suffering? Smart!

Troll-fu is strong with this one! Seriously...some things just require death, and some quicker than others. I wouldn't want to hurt him, just a quick double-tap to the head. Done. Things like that shouldn't be alive.

/that is all


Why double tap? One round of the right kind of ammo would be sufficient. If not, let the bastich lay there and twitch for a little bit till he finally succumbs to the cranial perforation.
Pic looks like the jerkoff may have "resisted arrest" a bit there too.

holmes1997: If you want to be civil at least cut off his Thumbs and Dick. I don't care if you use anesthesia. Just take them away.

Problem solved.