jules_siegel: More bloodshed than what? Also, do you support demonstrations in Iran? If so, why is that different from Honduras?

Honduras has a constitution that was designed by people elected to office.

The president of Honduras was removed from power with approval from Congress who were elected by the people.

jules_siegel: Please show me the section of the Honduras constitution and the corresponding legal code authorizing the arrest and deportation of a sitting president, including the procedures to be followed.

You are saying it is a coup without proof. You are making the claim that what the Supreme Court did is illegal. You are claiming the unanimous voice of congress is wrong.

When it comes to Honduran law I trust those a lot more than I do some guy on the internet who thinks it is wrong because it isn't done that way in the US.

The only relevnat piece of Honduran law that I have seen, article 239 of the constitution agrees that the president should be relieved of power. The only legal complaint I have seen against what happened was about the exile, not the reliving fo power, nor the arrest.

DarnoKonrad: You're being willfully obtuse. Beating up on bag of doorknobs is only fun for so long.

Yes trying to get you to understand that a potentially illegal exile isn't the same as a coup is a like beating a bag of doorknobs.

canyoneer: He goes on to say "his office filed charges against Zelaya last week for abuse of power and treason, and issued an arrest warrant." IOW, the Honduran attorney general wants Zelaya so he can prosecute and jail him.

Which is precisely how it should have gone down rather than stealing him away in the middle of the night, forging a letter of resignation, and forcing him into exile in Costa Rica. That's what the controversy is all about and why the international community protested the way he was ousted.

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

liam76:
You are saying it is a coup without proof.

I'm sure that whenever a coup occurs the victors are going to claim it's legal. After all since they're in power they can determine the legality of it.

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Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

Yes, you got on your high and mighty Total Fark horse and called me dumb. The way I was brought, you apologise for things you shouldn't of said or you get punished.

I have not once threadjacked a thread or attentionwhored. Don't even know what a Philboy is?

So are you goig to apoligise?

liam76: The president of Honduras was removed from power with approval from Congress who were elected by the people.

There's dancing around the issue, and then there's this.

Fart_Machine: "Which is precisely how it should have gone down rather than stealing him away in the middle of the night, forging a letter of resignation, and forcing him into exile in Costa Rica. That's what the controversy is all about and why the international community protested the way he was ousted."

That was all after he was removed from power. As far as I can tell, his removal from power was legally done under Honduran law. Once again, if anyone can provide evidence that his removal from power was unconstitutional, I'll be happy to look at it.

I wonder: What is the penalty for treason under Honduran law? By kicking Zelaya out of the country, they may have done him a favor.

liam76: The only relevnat piece of Honduran law that I have seen, article 239 of the constitution agrees that the president should be relieved of power. The only legal complaint I have seen against what happened was about the exile, not the reliving fo power, nor the arrest.

Here's the exact wording of the article:

Article 239 - No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President.

Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years.

Where and when did Zelaya violate this provision? Please be specific, and cite his exact words and deeds.

canyoneer: Russky: "What the President tried to do in Honduras was wrong and he should be prosecuted by the laws, not by the military, it's a basic concept."

But what actually happened?

The supreme court and Congress, and Zelaya's own party and the main opposition party, ruled and voted for his removal from the presidency, the attorney general indicted him for treason, and then the supreme court ordered the military to remove him from the presidential palace. There is no evidence that any of this was illegal under Honduran law or unconstitutional under the Honduran constitution.

If you have any evidence that this was illegal under Honduran law, I will be glad to read it.


The coup is in violation of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, which was signed in Lima, Peru, in 2001.

This charter, affirming defense of democracy in the hemisphere, has been ratified by all member states of the Organization of American States (OAS).

Article 9 of the charter specifically addresses coups and the actions to be taken-including suspension from OAS membership-as a result of an illegal takeover of government. Not one government in the Americas has recognized the newly installed government, all citing it as an illegal entity in violation of international law.

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Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

Yes, you got on your high and mighty Total Fark horse and called me dumb. The way I was brought, you apologise for things you shouldn't of said or you get punished.

I have not once threadjacked a thread or attentionwhored. Don't even know what a Philboy is?

So are you goig to apoligise?

I'm sorry, I thought you spoke english.

Nevermind.

God's Hubris: Another hideous Democrat woman:


/be back in a few minutes

Why are we having the hottest women in power argument? Because hot women are good leaders?



Because hot women are usually smart?



Hell, if I have a woman leading me, I want her to be a hunchback with uneven boobs, a lazy eye, and a chronic case of halitosis. That ugly cow would get something done, goddamit.

When the Republicans are back in office, and I assure you that they will be and that I had nothing to do with it, I want you to remember these threads... It is riotous when the libs call the freepers juveniles or compare them to toddlers all while acting just as childish.

I swear not one of you on either side of the aisle has a farking lick of common sense.

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Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

Yes, you got on your high and mighty Total Fark horse and called me dumb. The way I was brought, you apologise for things you shouldn't of said or you get punished.

I have not once threadjacked a thread or attentionwhored. Don't even know what a Philboy is?

So are you goig to apoligise?

I'm sorry, I thought you spoke english.

Nevermind.


Thank you for the apology. It takes a man to admit when he is wrong. I hope we can be friends now.

canyoneer: Fart_Machine: "Which is precisely how it should have gone down rather than stealing him away in the middle of the night, forging a letter of resignation, and forcing him into exile in Costa Rica. That's what the controversy is all about and why the international community protested the way he was ousted."

That was all after he was removed from power. As far as I can tell, his removal from power was legally done under Honduran law. Once again, if anyone can provide evidence that his removal from power was unconstitutional, I'll be happy to look at it.

Except that his forced deportation and exile was part of the removal. You can't disassociate one from the other. If they had charges against him he should have been formally arrested and brought to trial. However the court and congress found that would be too messy so they booted him out and declared martial law.

WillyShwonka: Why are we having the hottest women in power argument? Because hot women are good leaders?


Benazir Bhutto comes to mind.




RIP

Russky: "The coup is in violation of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, which was signed in Lima, Peru, in 2001. This charter, affirming defense of democracy in the hemisphere, has been ratified by all member states of the Organization of American States (OAS). Article 9 of the charter specifically addresses coups and the actions to be taken-including suspension from OAS membership-as a result of an illegal takeover of government. Not one government in the Americas has recognized the newly installed government, all citing it as an illegal entity in violation of international law."

Has the OAS produced evidence that Zelaya's removal from office was illegal under Honduran law? Was Zelaya's removal from power unconstitutional under the Honduran constitution? If not, it was not a coup.

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Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

Yes, you got on your high and mighty Total Fark horse and called me dumb. The way I was brought, you apologise for things you shouldn't of said or you get punished.

I have not once threadjacked a thread or attentionwhored. Don't even know what a Philboy is?

So are you goig to apoligise?

I'm sorry, I thought you spoke english.

Nevermind.


Thank you for the apology. It takes a man to admit when he is wrong. I hope we can be friends now.

In your dreams.

Fart_Machine: "Except that his forced deportation and exile was part of the removal. You can't disassociate one from the other. If they had charges against him he should have been formally arrested and brought to trial. However the court and congress found that would be too messy so they booted him out and declared martial law."

OK. Then ship him back to Tegucigalpa (Te-goosey-goosey-galpa, whither dost thou wander?) and let him face the music.

Do you think he'll go back and face charges? I reckon it's even odds he'll "delay his return" indefinitely.

canyoneer: Fart_Machine: "Except that his forced deportation and exile was part of the removal. You can't disassociate one from the other. If they had charges against him he should have been formally arrested and brought to trial. However the court and congress found that would be too messy so they booted him out and declared martial law."

OK. Then ship him back to Tegucigalpa (Te-goosey-goosey-galpa, whither dost thou wander?) and let him face the music.

Do you think he'll go back and face charges? I reckon it's even odds he'll "delay his return" indefinitely.

The last thing the government apparently wants is for his return because he still has lots of popular support. I also wonder just how much of the evidence against him would hold up in a formal trial.

In short there's probably a very good reason why he was suddenly exiled and it has very little to do with the rule of law.

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Your dumb.

Oh man, priceless. Tor_Eckman Total Fark. Tor, would you like to apologise or are you going to be a douche? I don't start 'em but I do finish 'em.

Apologize? You lovingly fellate attention whoring, threadjacking, contrarian troll Philboy and you want me to apologize?

Your a idiot.

Yes, you got on your high and mighty Total Fark horse and called me dumb. The way I was brought, you apologise for things you shouldn't of said or you get punished.

I have not once threadjacked a thread or attentionwhored. Don't even know what a Philboy is?

So are you goig to apoligise?

I'm sorry, I thought you spoke english.

Nevermind.


Thank you for the apology. It takes a man to admit when he is wrong. I hope we can be friends now.

In your dreams.


Man, I'm holding out hope that you'll come around. You and I are not that differant really.

canyoneer: Has the OAS produced evidence that Zelaya's removal from office was illegal under Honduran law? Was Zelaya's removal from power unconstitutional under the Honduran constitution?

Article 69: A persons liberty is inviolable and can only be restricted or suspended temporarily through process of law.

Article 71: No person can be arrested nor kept incommunicado for more than 24 hours without being placed before a competent authority to be judged. Judicial detention during an investigation must not exceed six consecutive days from the moment that the same is ordered.

Article 78: Freedoms of association and meeting are always guaranteed when they are not contrary to public order and good customs.

Article 79: All persons have the right to meet with others, peacefully and without weapons, in public demonstration or transitory assembly, in relation to their common interests of any type, without necessity of notice or special permission.

Article 81: "ll persons have the right to circulate freely, leave, enter, and remain in national territory. No one can be obligated to change home or residence except in special cases and with those requirements that the Law establishes.

Is that good enough? Please, if you can, show the details of the legal procedure that was carried out prior to the arrest and deportation.

Davey Croquette: compared to some of the idiot trolls who post shiat that is meant to do nothing but inflame and usually has no basis in reality.

WTF do you care what they post. That's like saying you don't like what's on a billboard. Don't read it. And if you accidentally read it, forget about it. It's words on a page. They won't hurt you.

Of course not. But I don't need to waste my time looking at gibberish, if there's an easy way to avoid gibberish.

rastjr: Man, I'm holding out hope that you'll come around. You and I are not that differant really.


Don't lose any sleep over that colostomy bag. I doubt you'll want to be that much like him

Just some advice, take it for what it is worth.

UnspokenVoice: When the Republicans are back in office, and I assure you that they will be and that I had nothing to do with it...

16 years from now. Maybe. There's a big wad of people of voting age who only know Republicanism as the Bush years. That's not a good endorsement for the GOP.

rastjr: People that use the ignore button are missing out on the whole experience of Fark.

Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

Phil Herup: rastjr: Man, I'm holding out hope that you'll come around. You and I are not that differant really.


Don't lose any sleep over that colostomy bag. I doubt you'll want to be that much like him

Just some advice, take it for what it is worth.


Thanks dude.

Tor's a douche, huh?

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

I was talking about you. Phil is a troll and he is only trying to get a rise out of people. The fact that you respect him says a lot about you.

Fart_Machine: "The last thing the government apparently wants is for his return because he still has lots of popular support. I also wonder just how much of the evidence against him would hold up in a formal trial. In short there's probably a very good reason why he was suddenly exiled and it has very little to do with the rule of law."

Well, you don't know any of that to be true. From what I've read, his popular support had dropped like a rock in the last year, and most Hondurans are happy to see his back. Evidently, the evidence against him was good enough for for his own political party, the majority of the Congress, the attorney general, and the supreme court.

I find this story to be fascinating on several levels, but I'm willing to be persuaded by solid evidence that the impeachment of Zelaya was illegal under the Honduran constitution. Some people evidently want to believe it's all a terrible military putsch because of their personal leanings.

My personal preference is for the sovereignty of nations to be respected, so I'm not going to condemn the Hondurans until I see solid proof that this was an illegal action by the Honduran government. So far, I haven't seen that, so I'm not going to pass judgement on the Hondurans. If there is no proof forthcoming that the Honduran government acted illegally in the matter of deposing this crackpot presidente, I say the OAS and EU and UN and Obama should butt out of internal Honduran affairs, STFU, and GBTW on their own multitudinous problems. The real test will come in November, when the next round of elections is scheduled. If those are fair and open, I'd say this whole thing will have been much ado about nothing.

You know, I don't even dispute that Latin American governments and societies are in need of reform and even restructuring. I've said countless times in Fark forums that the terrible legacy of the encomienda system should be erased, and power and money more equitably distributed. At first, I even thought Hugo Chavez might be a breath of fresh air, but now I see he and his compadres are merely a new generation of power-hungry caudillos spouting a different line of bullsh*t who will do no more to reform their societies than their predecessors.

Exchanging one form of oppression for another will solve nothing. The campesinos of Latin America will be no better off under a lot of swaggering socialist caudillos than they've been under a lot of swaggering capitalist caudillos.

God's Hubris: Another hideous Democrat woman:


/be back in a few minutes

Minutes? I'm done already!

jules_siegel: "Is that good enough?"

Which article provides for emergencies to be declared? Undoubtedly it's in there.

Can you disprove this reportage of events in Honduras?

Link (new window)

I presume you're quoting the Honduran constitution verbatim. Can you provide a link to that, please?

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

I was talking about you. Phil is a troll and he is only trying to get a rise out of people. The fact that you respect him says a lot about you.

rastjr is a troll too.

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

I was talking about you. Phil is a troll and he is only trying to get a rise out of people. The fact that you respect him says a lot about you.


I was talking about you. Man, you're not very bright.

Phil Herup: eraser8: Right wing satirical images are never funny. Never. They are never insightful. They are never well done.

Translation: "Na na na na na na ... I can't hear you."

Phil Herup: Perfect example of the classic " No U!" response.




Yet another example of Phil Herup blaming others for doing exactly what he does.

I don't know why you keep coming back for more, but god bless you for it.



Roll on, short bus, roll on.

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

I was talking about you. Phil is a troll and he is only trying to get a rise out of people. The fact that you respect him says a lot about you.

rastjr is a troll too.

That explains why they get along.

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Ask Phil Herup. We don't agree on anything but we have learned to respect each other. He might be the coolest dude on here.

There are some really stupid people on this site.

I agree. :)

I was talking about you. Phil is a troll and he is only trying to get a rise out of people. The fact that you respect him says a lot about you.


I was talking about you. Man, you're not very bright.

I know you are, but what am I? You are clever.

Davey Croquette: compared to some of the idiot trolls who post shiat that is meant to do nothing but inflame and usually has no basis in reality.

WTF do you care what they post. That's like saying you don't like what's on a billboard. Don't read it. And if you accidentally read it, forget about it. It's words on a page. They won't hurt you.

I don't care what they post, that's why i ignore them.

Of course it has nothing to do with them disagreeing with me, which was the point of your original post. It has to do with them providing nothing based in reality. I enjoy debates with someone that can actually 'debate' and not just be an idiot.

Take for instance Canyoneer in this post, I disagree with what he's saying, BUT he is doing so in a mature manner not being a troll so it is actually a good discussion and someone i wouldn't ignore.

You moved the goal posts......typical of people who can't back up what they say.

canyoneer: Fart_Machine: "The last thing the government apparently wants is for his return because he still has lots of popular support. I also wonder just how much of the evidence against him would hold up in a formal trial. In short there's probably a very good reason why he was suddenly exiled and it has very little to do with the rule of law."

Well, you don't know any of that to be true. From what I've read, his popular support had dropped like a rock in the last year, and most Hondurans are happy to see his back. Evidently, the evidence against him was good enough for for his own political party, the majority of the Congress, the attorney general, and the supreme court.

I find this story to be fascinating on several levels, but I'm willing to be persuaded by solid evidence that the impeachment of Zelaya was illegal under the Honduran constitution. Some people evidently want to believe it's all a terrible military putsch because of their personal leanings..

I don't think it's black and white which is part of the problem. It may be that it was legal of them to vote him out, or that may have been a 'symbolic' vote but not based on any type of law, i don't know. I'd be interested to see if this is a normal legal type of vote for them.

That being said, the deportation after the fact is not legal from what I've read. Some of the other stories of the 'crackdowns' and police brutality make me think that there is more going on behind the scenes than we think. Of course it's hard to verify these stories.

canyoneer: Can you disprove this reportage of events in Honduras?

Read the article comments. He neglects to mention the OAS, a non-radical entity, has condemned the action as a coup. Nor does he mention that basic civil rights have now been suspended in Honduras, which would hardly seem necessary if the coup had any real popular support, not to speak of what it says about the leaders' respect for their country's constitution.

I presume you're quoting the Honduran constitution verbatim. Can you provide a link to that, please?

I'm sure you can find it yourself. Maybe you might look for a report on the legal procedures that were followed. Please don't bother me with further requests for documentation until you do that. Your case has no merit without it.

Take for instance Canyoneer in this post, I disagree with what he's saying, BUT he is doing so in a mature manner not being a troll
Funny, considering Canyoneer is my oldest and trolliest of alts.

why is it that all the extremist nationalist loon sites have names that include words like "think" and "world" and "progress".... and "fox"?

Russky: "I don't think it's black and white which is part of the problem. It may be that it was legal of them to vote him out, or that may have been a 'symbolic' vote but not based on any type of law, i don't know. I'd be interested to see if this is a normal legal type of vote for them. That being said, the deportation after the fact is not legal from what I've read. Some of the other stories of the 'crackdowns' and police brutality make me think that there is more going on behind the scenes than we think. Of course it's hard to verify these stories."

It could also be that the Honduran constitution does not contain specific provisions for the impeachment and removal of the chief executive. In that case, it would be up to the congress and supreme court to hammer out a procedure on the spot, as it were.

(As an aside, in yesterday's thread and again today, there are Farkers ostensibly quoting the Honduran constitution verbatim, yet won't post a link to it when asked. I tried to find it in English online, but was unsuccessful.)

I agree that it appears that the deportation was illegal, according to the attorney general quoted in the Miami Herald article posted by DarnoKonrad. However, that doesn't imply that stripping him of the presidency was illegal.

As far as the unrest is concerned, I have read differing reports, and it's impossible to verify what's going on. It's widely reported that Zelaya's support eroded substantially over the last year, but that doesn't mean he has no supporters. There are also repeated reports of pro-Micheletti demonstrators. Link (new window) So, it is impossible from afar to verify the level of popular support for either side. That emergency measures have been instituted could mean that there is repression of popular anger going on, or it could mean that a violent minority is trying to disrupt normal goings-on, like something on the order of the Seattle WTO riots in '99. There is no way to know at this point.

As I've said repeatedly, I willing to look at whatever evidence and reports as can be provided, but I'm not going to call this a "coup" based on what I've seen so far.

jules_siegel: "I'm sure you can find it yourself."

Put up or shut up. Yesterday and today, I've provided links to all the available information and reportage and asked repeatedly for contradictory, verifiable information. If you can't cite your information, I'll assume it's crap until proven otherwise.

canyoneer: or it could mean that a violent minority is trying to disrupt normal goings-on, like something on the order of the Seattle WTO riots in '99.

You mean the one that resulted in a suspension of civil rights, media blackout, arrests of cabinet ministers? Yeah. Sure sounds like that one.

canyoneer: Put up or shut up. Yesterday and today, I've provided links to all the available information and reportage

You haven't supplied any links to the legal procedures that were carried out prior to the arrest. Maybe that's because there aren't any.

and asked repeatedly for contradictory, verifiable information. If you can't cite your information, I'll assume it's crap until proven otherwise.

CONSTITUCION POLITICA DE LA REPUBLICA DE HONDURAS DE 1982

Incluye Reformas de 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 y 2005.

Actualizada hasta el Decreto 36 del 4 de Mayo de 2005
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I assume you read Spanish as fluently as I do, since you're such an expert on Honduras.

jules_siegel: Where and when did Zelaya violate this provision? Please be specific, and cite his exact words and deeds.

"Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform"

A non-binding resolution is a proposal for reform. Are you denying he was asking for it?

You keep asking for specifics, and citations for exact words, yet you have failed to do the same when challenged. If the constitution is vague or unclear on hwo to remove someone from office the body that decides if how they did it is legal is the Supreme court. So unless you have some exact verbiage that says they were supposed to do it X way and they did not, what they did to arrest and remove him from power was legal.

jules_siegel:
CONSTITUCION POLITICA DE LA REPUBLICA DE HONDURAS DE 1982

Incluye Reformas de 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 y 2005.

Actualizada hasta el Decreto 36 del 4 de Mayo de 2005
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So once again the only clear violation of the constitutiont hat took place was the presidnet violating article 139.

People have linked to it and translated it specifically, as you requested, and you repeatedly fail to do the same for your "legal" argument that the the supreme court and every memeber of congress acted in an unconstitutional manner.

canyoneer:
Well, you don't know any of that to be true.

If that was the case then his referendum would have failed at the polls and he could have been ousted as a lame duck in November. There would have been no need to use the military to force him unto a plane and exile him in Costa Rica nor would there be any need for suppression of demonstrations with martial law.

Some people evidently want to believe it's all a terrible military putsch because of their personal leanings.

Some people would like to believe expulsion without charges or a trial was justified because of their personal leanings.

If there is no proof forthcoming that the Honduran government acted illegally in the matter of deposing this crackpot presidente, I say the OAS and EU and UN and Obama should butt out of internal Honduran affairs, STFU, and GBTW on their own multitudinous problems.

Given that they're a US client state we really can't.

Exchanging one form of oppression for another will solve nothing.

I agree. He should have had his day on public trial instead of using the Supreme Court and Congress serving as a Star Chamber to stage a coup.