I hope he doesn't grind his teeth.

His car's gear teeth.

He still has to qualify on time... He's a Go-or-go-home-_{and-get-baked}.

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Yeah, I wouldn't be worried about him being on the track at any time after qualifying.

"Haaaaay Jeremy!"

A slap in the face will be presented to someone.

- A slap to NASCAR...Jeremy qualifies for race after NASCAR tries to suspend him

or

- A slap to Jeremy...Jeremy fights so hard to be allowed to race but doesn't qualify and has to go home.

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Nope. Just thought it was clever. Maybe you didn't get it?

parkerlewis: A slap in the face will be presented to someone.

- A slap to NASCAR...Jeremy qualifies for race after NASCAR tries to suspend him

or

- A slap to Jeremy...Jeremy fights so hard to be allowed to race but doesn't qualify and has to go home.

I don't think so. It's not a slap in the face to Nascar if he makes a race, as the issue at hand isn't in his ability or lack there of. The issue is the safety of other drivers and is Mayfield safe to drive in the series.

FTFA: Before the judge's ruling, NASCAR lawyers said they worried about the safety of other drivers, teams and fans if Mayfield was allowed back on the track.

If this is the case, why do they let Robby Gordon and others like him on the track?

Hey Amps has been used for 60+ years in the military for pilots etc. He won 5 Sprint Cup races on em! What have you done? ;)

mrlff2: FTFA: Before the judge's ruling, NASCAR lawyers said they worried about the safety of other drivers, teams and fans if Mayfield was allowed back on the track.

If this is the case, why do they let Robby Gordon and others like him on the track?

Because Robby's probably the only Cup driver that could score a top five in the Dakar Rally?

I've never had reason to respect Mayfield. But it's hard for me not to root for him on this one. Here's why:

1. He's a trouble maker and powers within NASCAR dislike him.
2. NASCAR has in the past ALLEGEDLY put forth a faked drug positive to get rid of another driver they disliked. See Richmond, Tim.
3. From what I see, NASCAR's drug testing policies and procedures fall far short of a legitimate standard. These guys make those French labs that are in the pocket of ASO and L'Equipe look professional by comparison.

I don't know if Mayfield is innocent, but I know he's not getting the sort of due process he should be getting. NASCAR is asking for trouble from the courts -- looks like they may have gotten it -- and their begging for a unionization effort from the drivers.

The problem with NASCAR's policy is that any driver
can be dosed without his knowledge and then tested
and busted based on an anonymous tip.

Any unpopular driver or anyone with a grudge against some
one else in the garage can ruin a career just by spiking
a can of soda. And once the masses figure this out
any food or drink a driver consumes is questionable.
(Hey Kurt - do you want Meth with those fries?)

Mayfield didn't endear himself to NASCAR a few years
ago when he went public and exposed the number of drivers
racing with concussions from hard hits. NASCAR refused to
address the problem of the hard walls until Petty
and Ernhart were killed. I think its more a case
of payback- NASCAR holds a grudge for a long, long time.

According to NASCAR, all personnel, not just drivers
are subject the policy. Yet I seriously doubt if Hendricks,
Rousch, or Penske would face the same penalties on one failed
test.

you can say what you want but he makes fine ice cream

The more and more this plays out.... I'm starting to side with Mayfield.

If he WAS using meth, then he would have just taken his steering wheel and gone home knowing he was busted (other drivers have done just that). Why spend tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees if you know the test was correct?

Hes not fighting for his "freedom" (no potential jailing involved here), hes just fighting to drive.

The bigger issue is that if Adderall and Claritin triggered the false positive....then are the tests poorly done and should drivers really be racing on that stuff anyway? And if not, what OTHER legal drugs can they not take? Obviously alcohol, and now ADHD meds...what about painkillers and nyquil and robotussin? What about Red Bull/Monster? You drink 10 of those and you're a threat to anyone within 100 yards regardless of being in a car.

I agree I wouldn't want him in a car next to me hopped up on ANY kind of drugs but NASCAR needs to be VERY careful here. This is getting into medical privacy laws and potential discrimination based on someones mental or physical health.

And I would imagine that if NASCAR came out and banned a ton of LEGAL drugs (OTC or otherwise), then they would go up against an enormous and very well-funded lobby of pharmecutical companies.

"Pfizer, makers of [insert drug], have filed suit against NASCAR for libel stating that when NASCAR put [insert drug] on the list of banned substances and made public their belief that people cant even take one dose of [insert drug] DAYS before performing complex tasks."

Scary stuff all the way around.

yequalsy: 2. NASCAR has in the past ALLEGEDLY put forth a faked drug positive to get rid of another driver they disliked. See Richmond, Tim.

Because drug testing then and now are exactly the same.

Nuno311: The bigger issue is that if Adderall and Claritin triggered the false positive....then are the tests poorly done and should drivers really be racing on that stuff anyway? And if not, what OTHER legal drugs can they not take? Obviously alcohol, and now ADHD meds...what about painkillers and nyquil and robotussin? What about Red Bull/Monster? You drink 10 of those and you're a threat to anyone within 100 yards regardless of being in a car.

You do know that Adderall is a banned substance in most sports, right? Nascar's drug testing folks ask in advance what drivers are on before hand. Mayfield waited *DAYS* after the fact before telling doctors that he was on anything for anything. If you're clean, why not fess up when given the chance, instead of later.

Go Fast Turn Left: yequalsy: 2. NASCAR has in the past ALLEGEDLY put forth a faked drug positive to get rid of another driver they disliked. See Richmond, Tim.

Because drug testing then and now are exactly the same.

The powers that control NASCAR are largely the same. I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat. But NASCAR doesn't exactly ooze credibility here.

Go Fast Turn Left: You do know that Adderall is a banned substance in most sports, right?

Actually I didnt..... and I have no problem with sports putting a list together. But racing is so much more lethal and precise than chasing after a ball that NASCAR's list to get very big very quick.

I agree that him waiting days is suspicious, but it's possible he didnt want his "health issues/mental state/conditions" made public.

I think it was Jon Wood a couple of years ago that took himself of his truck ride because he was on depression meds and other stuff. Thats a pretty embarassing thing to admit to millions of fans.

I'm just hearing all this stuff and am starting to think that NASCAR screwed up (wouldnt be the first time). I dont think they did anything malicious, but this "testing" is fairly new to them and they may have screwed up calling Mayfield a "meth-head" even if he WAS taken a banned substance ("adderall-head" sounds much better IMHO :)).

/#29 fan here
//He was the first owner to implement testing for all this crap

Nuno311: I'm just hearing all this stuff and am starting to think that NASCAR screwed up (wouldnt be the first time). I dont think they did anything malicious, but this "testing" is fairly new to them and they may have screwed up calling Mayfield a "meth-head" even if he WAS taken a banned substance ("adderall-head" sounds much better IMHO :)).

This testing thing *isn't* any newer to Nascar than it is MLB, and they've been doing a sort of random testing for quite some time. Shane Hmiel, for instance, failed his first test late in the 2003 season.

Nuno311:
I agree that him waiting days is suspicious, but it's possible he didnt want his "health issues/mental state/conditions" made public...

If I would be embarrassed about having my medical records made public, maybe I'd pick a profession that kept me out of the public eye. Oh, wait. I did.

If you're gonna be driving next to me at 200mph, I want your head clear. If you need medication, you need another line of work.

I think meth should be mandatory in NASCAR, it would definitely make it way less boring.

http://ballsinyourjaws.blogspot.com/

realityVSperception: The problem with NASCAR's policy is that any driver
can be dosed without his knowledge and then tested
and busted based on an anonymous tip.

Any unpopular driver or anyone with a grudge against some
one else in the garage can ruin a career just by spiking
a can of soda. And once the masses figure this out
any food or drink a driver consumes is questionable.
(Hey Kurt - do you want Meth with those fries?)

Mayfield didn't endear himself to NASCAR a few years
ago when he went public and exposed the number of drivers
racing with concussions from hard hits. NASCAR refused to
address the problem of the hard walls until Petty
and Ernhart were killed. I think its more a case
of payback- NASCAR holds a grudge for a long, long time.

According to NASCAR, all personnel, not just drivers
are subject the policy. Yet I seriously doubt if Hendricks,
Rousch, or Penske would face the same penalties on one failed
test.

That's the worst poem I've ever read. It doesn't even rhyme.

Passive Aggressive Larry: realityVSperception: The problem with NASCAR's policy is that any driver
can be dosed without his knowledge and then tested
and busted based on an anonymous tip.

Any unpopular driver or anyone with a grudge against some
one else in the garage can ruin a career just by spiking
a can of soda. And once the masses figure this out
any food or drink a driver consumes is questionable.
(Hey Kurt - do you want Meth with those fries?)

Mayfield didn't endear himself to NASCAR a few years
ago when he went public and exposed the number of drivers
racing with concussions from hard hits. NASCAR refused to
address the problem of the hard walls until Petty
and Ernhart were killed. I think its more a case
of payback- NASCAR holds a grudge for a long, long time.

According to NASCAR, all personnel, not just drivers
are subject the policy. Yet I seriously doubt if Hendricks,
Rousch, or Penske would face the same penalties on one failed
test.

That's the worst poem I've ever read. It doesn't even rhyme.

It's not a poem, it's a long ass haiku.
Siding with Jeremy on this one. And I hate that cocky f*ck.

Let them make the results of Brian France's test public.

turbokat: Passive Aggressive Larry: realityVSperception: [...]

That's the worst poem I've ever read. It doesn't even rhyme.

It's not a poem, it's a long ass haiku.
Siding with Jeremy on this one. And I hate that cocky f*ck.

That text is not a poem
It is a haiku
A malformed long ass haiku

Quite honestly, I'd feel a lot safer going three-wide between Mayfield and JPM at Daytona then having Kyle Busch behind me with one to go.

yequalsy:


"2. NASCAR has in the past ALLEGEDLY put forth a faked drug positive to get rid of another driver they disliked. See Richmond, Tim."

You honestly believe that Nascar had to fake a positive drug test on Tim Richmond? I was a Tim Richmond fan when I was a kid and had no delusions of him not being a huge coke head. I also can't imagine why Nascar would feel that they needed to fake Mayfield's test results, the last thing I can imagine that they would want to do would be to help further the stereotype that their sport is the embodiment of the white trash American dream. Mayfield was barely hanging on as it was. He sank every dime he had left into his team and he was a couple of more missed races from having to shut it down. The guy has talent but he ended up losing rides with two of the top teams in the sport just by being an asshole. I think the lack of public support he has gotten from his fellow drivers speaks volumes.

MattyFridays: Quite honestly, I'd feel a lot safer going three-wide between Mayfield and JPM at Daytona then having Kyle Busch behind me with one to go.

You're not equating Juan Pablo Montoya with Jeremy Mayfield are you? Despite Montoya's relative lack of success thus far in the cup series, the guys got some credentials that Jeremy Mayfield simply does not measure up to.

Passive Aggressive Larry:

You're not equating Juan Pablo Montoya with Jeremy Mayfield are you? Despite Montoya's relative lack of success thus far in the cup series, the guys got some credentials that Jeremy Mayfield simply does not measure up to.

The comparison is that JPM and Mayfield are unsafe drivers but Busch is a DANGEROUS driver.

Donnchadha: turbokat: Passive Aggressive Larry: realityVSperception: [...]

That's the worst poem I've ever read. It doesn't even rhyme.

It's not a poem, it's a long ass haiku.
Siding with Jeremy on this one. And I hate that cocky f*ck.

That text is not a poem
It is a haiku
A malformed long ass haiku


About the last comment on my post that I expected,
but then this is Fark. Ask and ye shall receive
so here it is rephrased as a haiku -


Innocent drivers
Anonymously poisoned
Unfairly dismissed

Unseen enemies
Invisible in the crowd
Souring food, drink

Outspoken driver
Exposing hidden secrets
Revenge is at hand

Claim equality
Little punishment for big
Yet weak are crushed


Actually, Muscular Dystrophy has trashed my hands
so typing is a biatch. As a result, my writing skills
aren't what they used to be and my posts tend
to be terse and to the point.

MattyFridays: Quite honestly, I'd feel a lot safer going three-wide between Mayfield and JPM

You know how I know you're gay...?

/NTTIAWWT

Nuno311: The more and more this plays out.... I'm starting to side with Mayfield.

If he WAS using meth, then he would have just taken his steering wheel and gone home knowing he was busted (other drivers have done just that). Why spend tens of thousands of dollars on legal fees if you know the test was correct?

Hes not fighting for his "freedom" (no potential jailing involved here), hes just fighting to drive.

According to his court documents he says he doesn't have any other way to make money, so IF he was stupid enough to try it and got caught then he is going to go out of his way to try and clear his name or screw up the drug test results.

If you make enough enemies it will kick you in the butt one day, though I don't know if NASCAR really wants to have to deal with the issues of drives potentially taking banned substances as it ruins the squeaky clean good for the sponsors image they want.


MattyFridays: Quite honestly, I'd feel a lot safer going three-wide between Mayfield and JPM at Daytona then having Kyle Busch behind me with one to go.

I LOLed a few times at that.... and if the car in front has a #5, #24 or #48 you have even more to worry about and if it its the #88 then you better double security at most tracks :)

Smokin'

yequalsy:
I don't know if Mayfield is innocent, but I know he's not getting the sort of due process he should be getting. NASCAR is asking for trouble from the courts -- looks like they may have gotten it -- and their begging for a unionization effort from the drivers.

Could this be because NASCAR is and always has been governed by the France family on the principle that it's their sport, they'll do what they want, without justifying their actions to anyone, and if you don't like it, tough?

7Mary3and4: yequalsy:
I don't know if Mayfield is innocent, but I know he's not getting the sort of due process he should be getting. NASCAR is asking for trouble from the courts -- looks like they may have gotten it -- and their begging for a unionization effort from the drivers.

Could this be because NASCAR is and always has been governed by the France family on the principle that it's their sport, they'll do what they want, without justifying their actions to anyone, and if you don't like it, tough?

Yup.

birdbath: You honestly believe that Nascar had to fake a positive drug test on Tim Richmond? I was a Tim Richmond fan when I was a kid and had no delusions of him not being a huge coke head. I also can't imagine why Nascar would feel that they needed to fake Mayfield's test results, the last thing I can imagine that they would want to do would be to help further the stereotype that their sport is the embodiment of the white trash American dream. Mayfield was barely hanging on as it was. He sank every dime he had left into his team and he was a couple of more missed races from having to shut it down. The guy has talent but he ended up losing rides with two of the top teams in the sport just by being an asshole. I think the lack of public support he has gotten from his fellow drivers speaks volumes.

Whether they had to and whether they did frame Richmond are different questions. See this Link.

Again, I'm not fan of Mayfield's but this whole thing is dodgy. That said, it looks like sponsors won't let him drive in Daytona. One way or another he's done. Quiet drivers? The real question is what they are saying privately rather than what they are saying to the press.

MattyFridays: Passive Aggressive Larry:

You're not equating Juan Pablo Montoya with Jeremy Mayfield are you? Despite Montoya's relative lack of success thus far in the cup series, the guys got some credentials that Jeremy Mayfield simply does not measure up to.

The comparison is that JPM and Mayfield are unsafe drivers but Busch is a DANGEROUS driver.

Heh, ok well that makes more sense. And even as a Montoya fan and a Busch fan, I agree with that statement.

birdbath: yequalsy:


"2. NASCAR has in the past ALLEGEDLY put forth a faked drug positive to get rid of another driver they disliked. See Richmond, Tim."

You honestly believe that Nascar had to fake a positive drug test on Tim Richmond? I was a Tim Richmond fan when I was a kid and had no delusions of him not being a huge coke head. I also can't imagine why Nascar would feel that they needed to fake Mayfield's test results, the last thing I can imagine that they would want to do would be to help further the stereotype that their sport is the embodiment of the white trash American dream. Mayfield was barely hanging on as it was. He sank every dime he had left into his team and he was a couple of more missed races from having to shut it down. The guy has talent but he ended up losing rides with two of the top teams in the sport just by being an asshole. I think the lack of public support he has gotten from his fellow drivers speaks volumes.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/22/sports/nfl-adviser-accused.html?scp=4&sq=tim% 2 0richmond&st=cse