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(ESPN) Dumbass "These players can help us win today and for years to come." Says Pirates Manager of former Natinals AAA Outfielder and a 0-3, 7.71 ERA in 34 games, pitcher. Good luck   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line 62
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NittLion78 2009-07-01 06:50:58 PM  
Where have you gone
Jose "Chico" Lind
A city turns its lonely eyes to you
Ooh ooh ooh

 
Shaddup 2009-07-01 07:22:45 PM  
HamBurghlar: *sigh* Just last year they had one of the best hitting outfields in the majors... Howzabout keeping SOMEONE to see if they pan out?

/Buccos fan
//Why? I have no idea.


Which one?

Jason Bay?....He woulda been gone at the end of this year. He won't even sign an extension with the Red Sox. He wants to test FA. (Hansen, Morris, Moss and LaRoache > 1 1/2 seasons of J. Bay)

Xavier Nady?...He's ALWAYS injured and was never anything more than a platoon OFer even on the freakin Pirates. (Tabata, Ohlendorf and Karstens >>>>>>>>>> Nady & Marte)

Morgan?...A 29yr old no-offense speedster that can't steal any better than a little leaguer. Nyjer has 3 HRs in 545 ABs, Milledge has 25 hrs in 897 Abs. (Milledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morgan)

Nate The Great?...A freakin career hitting .260 CFer. His GG was a joke also. (Hernandez, Locke, Morton >> Nate)

/Kinda stole this reply from TheBuccosForum
//Yes, I read a Pirates forum
///17 years strong

 
Kaiserin 2009-07-01 07:31:51 PM  
DeWayne Mann:
And Hanrahan's pitching has been pretty good. He has a 9.64 K/9, good for second on the team. I'm not sure how you can pull that off without knowing how to pitch. And, since that is second on the team, does that mean no one else on the team knows how to pitch either? Keep in mind, Hanrahan is also 4th on the team in K/BB.

And is it possible that he's not sure which pitch is best, because they're all about equal?


He also has an ERA of 7.71. I'll sacrifice a couple K's to prevent the almost eight runs he's giving up per nine innings, thanks.
And which team are you referring to? He's not with the Nationals anymore.

Most pitchers will tell you "Oh, I'm a fastball pitcher" or "I'm a sinker-slider guy." Hanrahan doesn't know. He's still trying to figure that out, and it's taken him way too long.

 
Hoopy Frood 2009-07-01 08:01:11 PM  
By "win", he means 65-70 games a year. By "years to come", unless and until they play their way out of the Buccos' price range.

 
Aldo the Wonder Dog 2009-07-01 08:07:48 PM  
Shaddup: Which one?

Jason Bay?....He woulda been gone at the end of this year. He won't even sign an extension with the Red Sox. He wants to test FA. (Hansen, Morris, Moss and LaRoache > 1 1/2 seasons of J. Bay)

Xavier Nady?...He's ALWAYS injured and was never anything more than a platoon OFer even on the freakin Pirates. (Tabata, Ohlendorf and Karstens >>>>>>>>>> Nady & Marte)

Morgan?...A 29yr old no-offense speedster that can't steal any better than a little leaguer. Nyjer has 3 HRs in 545 ABs, Milledge has 25 hrs in 897 Abs. (Milledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morgan)

Nate The Great?...A freakin career hitting .260 CFer. His GG was a joke also. (Hernandez, Locke, Morton >> Nate)

/Kinda stole this reply from TheBuccosForum
//Yes, I read a Pirates forum
///17 years strong


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DeWayne Mann 2009-07-01 08:22:38 PM  
Kaiserin: He also has an ERA of 7.71.

Did we not already cover why this doesn't matter?

ERA is not a stat for evaluating pitching: it's a stat for evaluating run prevention. It factors in defense, and, as I think I mentioned, the Nats don't exactly have one. You CANNOT use ERA to evaluate anyone on the Nats, for that reason alone. Additionally, it involves quite a bit of luck, and Hanrahan has gotten pretty unlucky.

FIP is a stat for evaluating pitching. He has a very good FIP. Thus, he is a very good pitcher.

Kaiserin: I'll sacrifice a couple K's to prevent the almost eight runs he's giving up per nine innings, thanks.

For perhaps the 80th time, the Nats have the worst defense in the majors. Right now, Hanrahan strikes out 9 per 9. Thus, in each inning, he only needs his defense to make two outs.

You want to INCREASE the number of outs coming from the defense? Does that honestly make sense to you?

Kaiserin: And which team are you referring to? He's not with the Nationals anymore.

No, but he was when he put up those numbers. If you want to talk about the Nats post trade, Burnett is the ninth best reliever in terms of FIP, 7th best reliever for K/9, and 7th for K/BB.

Boy, he's good.

 
DeWayne Mann 2009-07-01 09:09:17 PM  
Hey, both Burnett & Hanrahan played for their new teams today! Sure, one game is an amazingly small sample size, but let's see how they did:

Burnett: 1.1 IP, 1HR, 1H, 0BB, 0K, 1ER, Blown Save (6.75 ERA, 16.20 FIP)
Hanrahan 1 IP, 1H, 0BB, 1K, 0ER (0.00 ERA, 1.20 FIP)

hmm...that's unfortunate. Oh well, I'm sure I'm still wrong anyway.

And good thing they got Morgan so he could sit on the bench today.

 
Kaiserin 2009-07-01 10:10:54 PM  
DeWayne Mann: Hey, both Burnett & Hanrahan played for their new teams today! Sure, one game is an amazingly small sample size, but let's see how they did:

Burnett: 1.1 IP, 1HR, 1H, 0BB, 0K, 1ER, Blown Save (6.75 ERA, 16.20 FIP)
Hanrahan 1 IP, 1H, 0BB, 1K, 0ER (0.00 ERA, 1.20 FIP)

hmm...that's unfortunate. Oh well, I'm sure I'm still wrong anyway.

And good thing they got Morgan so he could sit on the bench today.



Jesus farking christ, what is it with you? Never anywhere did I say you were wrong about anything. I presented my side as someone who's talked to the team before, that's all. Kindly remove that stick from your ass and maybe learn how to have a civil conversation with someone.

As I said before, I'm going to hold judgment on Burnett. Never anywhere did I say "THIS GUY IS GREAT." And Morgan only managed to show up right before the game - of course they weren't going to play him.

 
DeWayne Mann 2009-07-01 10:28:13 PM  
Kaiserin: Never anywhere did I say you were wrong about anything.

And where did I say that was directed towards you? Overreact much?

(Besides, it was an obvious joke, what with the 'small sample size' thing. Plus, I would've done the same thing had the pitching lines been reversed.)

 
you have pee hands 2009-07-02 09:31:26 AM  
DeWayne Mann: And Hanrahan's pitching has been pretty good. He has a 9.64 K/9, good for second on the team. I'm not sure how you can pull that off without knowing how to pitch. And, since that is second on the team, does that mean no one else on the team knows how to pitch either? Keep in mind, Hanrahan is also 4th on the team in K/BB.

And is it possible that he's not sure which pitch is best, because they're all about equal?


One minor quibble - his K rate is actually down a fair bit from last year. His bad luck on balls in play is killing his WHIP, so he's seeing a lot more guys per inning, which helps inflate the K/9.

Last year he struck out 93/364, or 25.5% of batters faced. This year he's at 36/166, or 21.7%. If his BABIP weren't so bad, his K/9 would probably be somewhere in the low 8's. Still pretty good, and since the same type of adjustment would need to be made for his BB/9 as well, it probably comes out in the wash for the sake of calculating FIP.

It's a little strange that his walk rate is down even though he's throwing a lot less pitches in the zone, but he's getting guys to chase a little more, and then small sample sizes and all that.

 
Lumox [TotalFark] 2009-07-02 01:31:28 PM  
Kaiserin: You guys are all idiots.

As someone who has covered the Nationals over the last few years on a few occasions, take it from me - this team (and the fans especially) are happy to see these two go.

Hanrahan was asked by Jim Palmer last week during the O's-Nats series, "What's your best pitch?" Hanrahan said he didn't know. That's a signal of a bad pitcher - if he doesn't know what the eff his own best pitch his, he doesn't know how to get people out and that's why instead he's been letting off hit after walk after hit this year.

Milledge showed up at spring training this year with this "Oh, I'm a veteran now" attitude, which put Manny and the majority of the team off. When I've talked to him, he's always come off as kind of a smug jerk, to put it nicely. He couldn't put the bat on the ball at the beginning of the season and was sent down to AAA because of it, with little chance of returning - and NO chance after he broke his hand. Now that he's almost back, I wonder whether or not he's going to be timid at the plate because of his hand issues.

The Nats have been looking for a real center fielder (and as much as I like Willie Harris, he isn't one), and Nyjer Morgan can be that. Hopefully Burnett will bring some stability to the bullpen, but I'll hold judgment on that one.

/stats never tell the whole story
//anyone with real baseball knowledge can tell you that much
///go Nats


You just got added to my Favorites.

/F*CK hanrahan. 4/5 games I went to he gave up the winning run.

 
Kaiserin 2009-07-02 02:25:43 PM  
Lumox:
You just got added to my Favorites.

/F*CK hanrahan. 4/5 games I went to he gave up the winning run.


Aw, thanks.

Hanrahan's a real sweet kid and he's young enough to maybe turn himself around and be real successful somewhere, but I'm glad he won't be blowing it for the Nats anymore this year.

/at least you got to see the end of the game
//half the games I've been to this year have been rained out

 
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