rastjr: I'm sorry, putting it in bold doesn't make you right. If only the government had guns don't you think they would have enough power to take them away from the criminals?

Sure. I mean, that is so obviously working in Iran right now.

wolvernova: Apik0r0s: there is a concerted campaign whose aim is to propagandize the American public and further demonize the Iranian regime in their eyes

I think the regime's behavior in the past few weeks has accomplished this whole-handedly. I never supported bombing them, nor do I now, but my hatred for the regime could not be any higher.


Nor could mine be. I don't think any decent human being could feel otherwise at this point.

It's the same folk who have beating the drums of war against Iran for years now who are driving this internet-based campaign. I am sure that their motivations have changed little, and that if they get their way and Iran's nuclear program is bombed out of existence, that the Iranian people will benefit little, if at all.

We'll see.

It could be a month, or a year, but the seeds are planted and are being nourished with fresh propaganda every day.

A salesman died in Florida on Sunday. First it was a retired television sidekick. Then an old actress, followed by a fading, ghostly pop-star. And now a cleaning-product salesmen with a loud voice. Someone's picking off television icons. Somebody knows why. Down there... somebody knows.

exPFCWintergreen: A salesman died in Florida on Sunday. First it was a retired television sidekick. Then an old actress, followed by a fading, ghostly pop-star. And now a cleaning-product salesmen with a loud voice. Someone's picking off television icons. Somebody knows why. Down there... somebody knows.

Oh my god oh my god it's the Rapture!

rastjr: Lagaidh: Take heed folks. rastajr is showing you all how it's done. He got some fairly intelligent folks to bite. Then when he had them in a lather, he purposefully tried to be a tad more obnoxious in what I think was a "here I am, a troll" style. People continued to bite.

Good stuff. One of the better I've seen.

I just wonder how many Fark logins he's gone through to reach this point. There's a familiar ring in the style even if it is now polished.

/clap

Just so everyone thinks that he is right. He isn't. I have had no other Fark login or alt or whatever you guys call it.

The familiar ring you hear is the truth ringing in my words.

Heh.

perryjay: Tavernknight: rastjr: Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

No they would not.
Heroin, LSD, weed, and cocaine are all illegal and I could buy those in middle school. I knew a girl in high school whose 14 year old brother had fully automatic weapons and those are illegal. You are full of shiat and wrong wrong WRONG WRONG.

Full auto is not illegal, you just need the right license

True. Here in Texas all you need is a letter from your county sheriff saying "I know X person has a fully automatic weapon and I am ok with that.".
But the kid in question did not have that.

I0Error: Ahmadinnerjacket get pwned by fluffernutter. You Tube (new window)

/SA tweeted this

Thanks. I like that one. Maybe I can get the message across to my facebook friends with something funny. Nothing else seems to work.

rastjr: I'm sorry, putting it in bold doesn't make you right. If only the government had guns don't you think they would have enough power to take them away from the criminals?

No but the fact that guns and drugs are available for purchase in pretty much every city of every country in the world makes me right. And no I don't think they would have that power. I think this because if they could take all guns away from criminals they would have done so by now. Also the fact that there are countries where guns are banned but criminals have them anyway.
You should also be aware when talking on this subject with me that I am very much in favor of private firearm ownership. Yes even handguns.

Tavernknight: True. Here in Texas all you need is a letter from your county sheriff saying "I know X person has a fully automatic weapon and I am ok with that."

False. You need a tax stamp from BATFE. That's nation-wide, INCLUDING Tejas.

Tavernknight: rastjr: I'm sorry, putting it in bold doesn't make you right. If only the government had guns don't you think they would have enough power to take them away from the criminals?

No but the fact that guns and drugs are available for purchase in pretty much every city of every country in the world makes me right. And no I don't think they would have that power. I think this because if they could take all guns away from criminals they would have done so by now. Also the fact that there are countries where guns are banned but criminals have them anyway.
You should also be aware when talking on this subject with me that I am very much in favor of private firearm ownership. Yes even handguns.

If we talk long enough, I think you'll see my way is the right way. I respect your opinion but I have done some reading and attended lectures on this subject so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, jump in the water is fine.

Witchydiva:

Sorry I'm late on this. Thanks again, and congrats again. Enjoy the next 6 months.

Aww hell. How'm I gonna have my nuptials if I'm reading Fark all the time?

Thank you dear!

rastjr:
If we talk long enough, I think you'll see my way is the right way. I respect your opinion but I have done some reading and attended lectures on this subject so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, jump in the water is fine.

Do you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?

Serious question here (I'll play) - do you feel that listening to the premiere expert on a subject, or reading their book, is a substitute for experience?

Also - do you believe that prohibition truly works?

@LaraABCNews Keep hearing to watch what the clerics say in this phase of the #iranelection (ex: Ayatollah Taheri just called this govt illegitimate)

about 2 hours ago from web

OG: Source: sms is back in Iran - but tell ppl not to use for political info - they are tracking #IranElection #iranelections #Iran

DarnoKonrad:
If you want to live in a Democracy, you don't make the military a tool of arbitration. It's an incredibly bad precedent.

Some African-Americans who got to go to college with help from the National Guard would like to have a word with you.

Witchydiva: rastjr:
If we talk long enough, I think you'll see my way is the right way. I respect your opinion but I have done some reading and attended lectures on this subject so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, jump in the water is fine.

Do you have to be at the gym in 26 minutes?

Serious question here (I'll play) - do you feel that listening to the premiere expert on a subject, or reading their book, is a substitute for experience?

Also - do you believe that prohibition truly works?


I don't get the gym reference.

Since this time you are being nice here goes. If I am building a bomb, experience will get you dead. So yes I believe listening and reading how to make a bomb is better.

I wasn't talking about liqour prohibition, I was talking about gun prohibition. Seems to me those things are analogous. Let's just say that with modern technology guns would be scarce and prohibitively expensive.

rastjr:
I wasn't talking about liqour prohibition, I was talking about gun prohibition. Seems to me those things are analogous. Let's just say that with modern technology guns would be scarce and prohibitively
expensive.

I wasn't speaking of liquor either - however, since we in the US have the liquor prohibition as an example of fail, or the ban on abortions, or the push for abstinence, the ban on many recreational and heavy drugs - can we agree that prohibition doesn't work? Theft and Vandalism are already illegal - but they haven't stopped.

I don't understand your last sentence. I'm not sure to what you are referring.
Do you realize that you can go down to your local hardware store and purchase what you need to make a rudimentary gun for under $20? No joke.

rastjr: Let's just say that with modern technology guns would be scarce and prohibitively expensive.

What modern technology would make that happen for guns that it hasn't been able to effectively do for other contraband?

Occam's Chainsaw:

Fireproof: I've kind of been thinking about how there has been student unrest every few years, and how each wave has been bigger than the last. More importantly, the youth overwhelmingly support the opposition, and the regime supporters aren't getting any younger. Those who are for reform will continue to grow in numbers and those who are against it will continue to die off.

Is it too much to say that reform is inevitable?

America, as the Boomers die.

/Shaka, when the walls fell?

Kiteo, his eyes closed.

Gen. Jim

Atrocity is recognized as such by victim and
perpetrator alike, by all who learn about it at
whatever remove.
Atrocity has no excuses, no mitigating argument.
Atrocity never balances or rectifies the past.
Atrocity merely arms the future for more atrocity.
It is self-perpetuating upon itself--a barbarous
form of incest. Whoever commits atrocity also
commits those future atrocities thus bred.

--The Apocrypha of Muad'Dib

--Children of Dune, Frank Herbert

rastjr: If we talk long enough, I think you'll see my way is the right way. I respect your opinion but I have done some reading and attended lectures on this subject so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, jump in the water is fine.

No I will not. I have lived around guns all my life. All of the older men on my mom's side of the family are gunsmiths. I own two guns myself. I have never killed anyone with them nor do I have any desire to do so. I do enjoy taking them to the local gun range and shooting them though. Just because some people fail to practice gun safety or the fact that criminals use guns in crime is not justification to take my guns away and say that I cannot own them. It just is not. Your way is not the right way.

What collage did you go to and what is your degree in? Since you are so proud of it surely you won't mind telling us.

Since this is in the Jerusalem "Learn Hebrew online" Post, it will need to be validated. Is this in BBC, Al Jazeera, etc?

/Did you learn your Hebrew?
//The article tells you to do it.

kiam: he fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain.

Uh, most street signs in Tehran are written in English.

Does the CIA work for the Tehran DOT as well?

Persepolis: kiam: he fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain.

Uh, most street signs in Tehran are written in English.

Does the CIA work for the Tehran DOT as well?

Hell, I've been to Egypt and a lot of the road signs in Cairo are written in both Arabic and English. It makes life easier for tourists since it's a lingua franca.

Persepolis: kiam: he fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain.

Uh, most street signs in Tehran are written in English.

Does the CIA work for the Tehran DOT as well?

I also can't find verification for that fact, concerning only 1% knowing English.

Kyoki: Simple XI

I tried to email you, but the email in your profile is coming back no good (even with all the anti spam stripped out. Email me at the address in my profile man.

Sorry, I just saw this. I tried to email you and got a delivery failure notification as well. I'm going to go update my EIP now though.

SABINA AMIDI, Same person who said Hamas was helping Iran crush the dissent.
I don't think I would believe a word she says.

Simple XI: Kyoki: Simple XI

I tried to email you, but the email in your profile is coming back no good (even with all the anti spam stripped out. Email me at the address in my profile man.

Sorry, I just saw this. I tried to email you and got a delivery failure notification as well. I'm going to go update my EIP now though.

The gmail addy in my profile was correct. Not sure why it got sent back to you. Just in case, it's:

go DOT eye DOT rush AT gmail

DarnoKonrad:

liam76:

The congress, the Supreme court and the Attorney General, not just the military approve of the new president.



They should have used the rule of law. This was nothing but coup.

Exactly wrong. This was a failed coup. They DID use the rule of law. The country is exactly following their Constitution. What's wrong with that? Oh, wait a minute... is this a stage-setting for when Obama's citizenship comes out? Get a precedent in place for an un-Constitutional President to keep office, just because he was elected?

Gen. Jim

gulogulo:

rastjr: So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

And you are assuming all 20,000 that die from gunshot wounds are "innocent." Granted, some may be, but I'd be willing to be many are involved in criminal activities when shot.

And to your question, yes, self-defense it is entirely worth it.

I agree with your point. I would add that some of the 20,000 (or whatever) gun victims were murdered. Not murdered because there were guns, but murdered because a murderer wanted them dead. Lacking guns, they would have been knifed, or poisoned, or whatever. The difference is...?

In the immortal words of Archie Bunker "So, little girl, would you feel better if they was all pushed outta windahs?"

Gen. Jim

syrynxx:

Simple XI: Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me.

I hear ya, but if I were to 'gift' the Iranians with one of the Articles, it would be the First.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Nice sentiment. I agree. That's why (IMHO) the framers put it as the FIRST Amendment. Of course, they put the SECOND Amendment in to make sure that they actually get the First.

Gen. Jim

rastjr: Thanks for your reply. I've been seeking out debates instead of personal insults on Fark and it has been difficult because I'm a new guy.




/ Mandatory

rastjr:

It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

It's a dog-eat-dog world. I'd suggest that you quit stuffing bacon in your codpiece.

Gen. Jim

rastjr:

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

So, you are saying that 50,000 Americans dying from automobiles very year for decades is worth it just because we have to get somewhere faster than we could walk?

Dude, analogy fail for you, +1

cchris_39:

gulogulo: As I said before, please look into the history of American-Iranian relations before you make overly simplistic, if not ignorant statements. I don't believe Obama is perfect, but his reaction was appropriate, and in truth, the only action he could take.

Quite the contrary. He could have:

1. Called out the election for the scam it was.
2. Spoken out for the side of freedom and democracy, remember "Tear down that wall" and "Ich bin ein Berliner". And those were on foreign soil against a much more formidable oppoenent.

Personally, I would have added #3. bomb the reactors.

Obama is a pussy abroad, and a bully at home. I'm starting to think he really does support the muslims and facists around the world.

Sokath, his eyes uncovered.

Gen. Jim

/ Stuck in a meme...

gulogulo:

cchris_39: Quite the contrary. He could have:

Ok. Let's think this through. An American-backed Iranian government is put into place. How long do you think it'll last, given history in that area?

I think you simply want any reason to hate Obama, even if it means willfully ignoring history.

Don't be a wanker. You are arguing a HUGE strawman. Here's what he said:

1. Called out the election for the scam it was.
2. Spoken out for the side of freedom and democracy, remember "Tear down that wall" and "Ich bin ein Berliner". And those were on foreign soil against a much more formidable oppoenent.

Personally, I would have added #3. bomb the reactors.

Nowhere in there is "install puppet government" listed There are two instances of Presidential gum-flapping, and a bombing run on nuclear reactors. Try arguing against what he said, Obamatron.

Gen. Jim

So I read on Fox News that the Iran Police spokesman is saying Nayda's death was staged for propogandist purposes.

For fark's sake.

rastjr: Ender's: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

you're legally retarded.

If guns are illegal, do you really think no one is gonna be able to get em?

A small number of criminals could get them but the government would have many more and could easilty defend the populace. We discussed it in class when I was in college. The professor and most of the class seemed to agree with me.

Hrmm, so you're saying that since a college classroom thought that a ban on all guns in this country was a good thing. You're also saying since everyone in the class seemed to agree with you, you've got some sort of a point?

You don't have to PROVE you're retarded, you know.

I can't believe they handed you a fricken degree. What's it in, dramatic arts?

rastjr: Oh it's over. I'm sure of that. The conservative controlled media aren't covering anymore. Put a fork in it. take it to the bank. I'm good at analysing these things.



This is going to hurt...

smells like malarkey in these parts

rastjr:

brigid_fitch: rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

So because you graduated college & listened to a few professors, you are now an expert on the subject? The majority of Iranians don't hate the US. 70% of the population is under 30 and have very amiable feelings towards Americans. Just like we have 22% right-wing nutjobs here, they have approx. that many over there. They are a minority, but unfortunately have the power right now.

After the election, though, it would seem that last statement is about to change.

I'm more of an expert than most. And my estimation is that the revolution is done. Will you apologise to me when that comes true?

Brigid? Hang on a minute, I want to go get some popcorn for this...

Gen. Jim

In case anyone's wondering why,"God would permit this . . ."
"IRANIAN CHRISTIANS IN U.S. PRAYING FOR THEIR HOMELAND" [Excerpts]
"Members of the Iranian Christian Church of San Diego are praying for their homeland amid continuing turmoil over Iran's
disputed presidential election. The Rev. Sohrab Ramtin, whose sermons are broadcast by satellite into Iran, says his congregation believes reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi defeated President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, though the incumbent claims to have won a landslide victory. Ramtin says Iranian Christians hoped a Mousavi victory would ease persecution
in Iran. Iran's supreme ruler, meanwhile, has warned Iranians to unite behind the country's Islamic system. The pastor of the Iranian Christian Church of Colorado says Iran's hardline Islamic regime has caused many Iranians to turn their backs on Islam and become Christians. The Rev. Ashton Stewart, who grew up in Iran, says God also has been converting Iranians in ways
only God can. "God has been showing himself through visions of
Christ, incredible healings, incredible experiences that have just confirmed for thousands of people that Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life," he shares. While many Iranians hoped for the defeat of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Stewart says his main prayer is that the post-election crisis will help grow the church in Iran. He's also asking American Christians to "pray for the persecuted" in Iran, where he says "there are many Christians in jail today, and some of them are being treated very, very brutally.""

GeneralJim: Nowhere in there is "install puppet government" listed There are two instances of Presidential gum-flapping, and a bombing run on nuclear reactors. Try arguing against what he said, Obamatron.

I said nothing about installing a puppet-government, either. But even the whiff that we might have tried to influence the outcome of their elections would, for many Iranians, make it invalid. That's not a strawman.

You are much like him, aren't you? "Obamatron?" come on, at least try to be original. I've said numerous occasions I don't agree with everything he's done. Don't be a wanker.

Aargh! There's no news in this thread, just a lot of arguing about gun laws, Israel, and Honduras.

So. Here is today's Der Spiegel interview (new window) with Ayatollah Mohsen Kadivar, one of the reformist clerics who recently gave a talk at Duke University.

He says that 95% of his friends are in jail right now, that Mousavi is definitely the leader, AND that he wishes he could be in Iran right now to help out. Notable quote: "Among the grand ayatollahs in Qum, the resentment towards Ahmadinejad's arrogance is growing. Only one of the 12 has congratulated him so far."

Kittypie070: Oh, wait a minute...is this a stage-setting for when Obama's citizenship comes out? Get a precedent in place for an un-Constitutional President to keep office, just because he was elected?Oh, wait a minute...is this a stage-setting for when Obama's citizenship comes out? Get a precedent in place for an un-Constitutional President to keep office, just because he was elected?Oh, wait a minute...is this a stage-setting for when Obama's citizenship comes out? Get a precedent in place for an un-Constitutional President to keep office, just because he was elected?Oh, wait a minute...is this a stage-setting for when Obama's citizenship comes out? Get a precedent in place for an un-Constitutional President to keep office, just because he was elecscreenibblechattersssccccrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Dude, seriously, quit sucking the helium out of the tank
while you're inflating the kids' Fourth of July balloons.

You're suffering from dorkosis.

/tailhug

Swear to God I thought you were a furry when you first started saying that lol

So, any confirmation yet?

I really think if the executions have started then Iran would be waving it about to intimidate the populace, maybe I'm wrong, but they did it with their regular criminals.

Khatami denounces election outcome, arrests. In Truthout (new window).

Crap, mispelled the name above, Fox news is running a story.

Neda's death was staged according to Iranian police. (new window)

TheBigJerk: Farker T: StochasticLife: Farker T:

ZOMG Tatsuma is spreading the lies of the JOOOZ.

STFU. I'm so tired of hearing you nutbags blame anyone who's proud to be Jewish as a secret Mosad agent trying to disrupt the white man's shaite, in this instance, by first disrupting the brown (olive?) man's shaite first.

You're so tired that you're blind?

Didn't read the article that said that those hung were convicted murderers?

Tatsumaco would never bend the truth to suit their agenda, would they?

I was going to express my doubts for a different reason, but that's another good one. Let me lay it out:

-Tatsuma isn't lying, he's just sharing a rumor he heard, that kangaroo court executions have started.

-The JP is around MSNBC's level of propaganda and pro-Israel, so it is wise but not absolutely necessary to seek independent confirmation.

I'd vote for ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

-As Farker T pointed out, there's a very similar story that could have gotten "garbled" and led to an inaccurate rumor of "zomg hangings!"

I doubt that the "garbling" was accidental. Plausible deniability?

-And the most important consideration (in my mind) is that Khamenei's regime is one of terrifying the populace into obedience and heavy-handed villainy. Executions for dissidents to "show we mean business" would probably be a little more open and unsubtle. Seeing as how they're into public executions.

Absolutely. IF the regime were to have executed political dissidents THIS SOON after the uprisings, it would have no doubt been done to send a message. Doing so in "secret" would serve no purpose.

OTOH, the propaganda blasted by the J Post and echoed by Tatsuma DID serve a purpose.

again anon's board Link (new window)

/for the trolls and crazies here:



/kthxbye