not to worry, Obama's on the case......thinks hot dogs and cokes will convince them to be different than they have been....

Witchydiva: rastjr: We discussed it in class when I was in college. The professor and most of the class seemed to agree with me.

I started out rating you at 10/10, but you are starting to slip down into 7/10 (losing subtle touch).

Hint: make your "arguments" less about you, more about what you can prove. Nobody gives a shiat about your opinion other than your mother. Not even your blow-up-doll.

So is this just another variation of the troll post? Thanks for that (that's do fresh and new). I can see why you have witchy in your name. Are you sure you are spelling that correctly?

If you ain't bringing guns in, you ain't changing nothing.

/where's Rambo when we need him?

Giranan: rastjr: Ender's: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

you're legally retarded.

If guns are illegal, do you really think no one is gonna be able to get em?

A small number of criminals could get them but the government would have many more and could easilty defend the populace. We discussed it in class when I was in college. The professor and most of the class seemed to agree with me.

Eh... I really don't like the idea of this sort of government protection. It would be far too easy, and far too tempting, for a government with this kind of arrangement to use that power to suppress political dissidence. I'd rather be armed myself.

Also, I'd imagine that the "small number of criminals" would still be the number who actually plan to use the guns in the first place. Sure, you'd take the guns out of the hands of the druggies and other such deadbeats, but what about organized crime and gangs? They'd still be able to get guns, no sweat. I'd imagine (though I don't have any sources at the moment) that most gun-related murders lie with them.

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

what about... meetup accounts?

rally in Washington?

rally in New York?

how come none of this is already planned out to happen?

how effective would writing a letter to the president be?

killing protesters trying to protect the results of a phony election? this shiat is outrageous.

fark party?

God damn work, now I'm way to lazy to catch up.

rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr: We discussed it in class when I was in college. The professor and most of the class seemed to agree with me.

I started out rating you at 10/10, but you are starting to slip down into 7/10 (losing subtle touch).

Hint: make your "arguments" less about you, more about what you can prove. Nobody gives a shiat about your opinion other than your mother. Not even your blow-up-doll.

So is this just another variation of the troll post? Thanks for that (that's do fresh and new). I can see why you have witchy in your name. Are you sure you are spelling that correctly?

Setting aside the ad hominem from both sides... she has a point. You haven't cited anything. All you've offered as proof are unverifiable claims as to your college education and similar statements.

If I were you, I'd hit up Google for a while and find some good, solid sources to present. Then you can come back and argue all you want. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to take you seriously.

rastjr:

==snip==

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

Maybe not immediately, no. But any abuse is too much. No matter how you slice it, abusing that power is an affront to the liberties that the United States holds in such esteem.

havaniceday: what about... meetup accounts?

rally in Washington?

rally in New York?

how come none of this is already planned out to happen?

how effective would writing a letter to the president be?

killing protesters trying to protect the results of a phony election? this shiat is outrageous.

There have been protests going on this whole time, all around the world, and if I wasn't at work (or lazy) I could give you the URL.

Writing a letter to the president, to do what? He needs to stay the fark out of it.

I0Error: Just an observation to post. I follow the official Twitter accounts of the North Korean News Agency, Kin Il Jong, and and anonymous citizen (read government agency putting out propaganda) and they day the all this stuff started in Iran they quit Twittering and lst Sat they started back up. Just thought that was interesting.

/End threadjack


Oh there is much that is "interesting" when you start digging into this "grassroots" internet campaign to support the protestors by spamming every tweet and news link in existence to the American people. For instance, most of the comprehensive lists of news links are on sites that seem to have been abandoned or inactive*, until this began. Many of these ostensibly individual efforts are mirror images of each other.

Curiously, almost every single one of them can be traced back to Enom and Richard Rosenbaltt, which is about as dirty and dubious as it gets.

If you want to see for yourself, do some WHOIS and Alexa research on these sites, it quickly becomes pretty obvious.


*I even phoned one of the former owners of one of these domains, who said he let it expire a year ago - which is when Enom scooped it up. I told him someone was using his site to make it look like he was publishing this info. and gave him contact info at Enom to get it stopped. He was not happy.

StochasticLife: God damn work, now I'm way to lazy to catch up.

Not much to report. A lot of trolling, some "Tatsuma = Oh Noes Da Jooz Be Conspiratin' Zionifical-Like", little actual useful information.

libbynomore2: not to worry, Obama's on the case......thinks hot dogs and cokes will convince them to be different than they have been....

At least the other trolls actually try to make a little sense, you aren't even doing that anymore. Have you been drinking?

Giranan: Setting aside the ad hominem from both sides... she has a point. You haven't cited anything. All you've offered as proof are unverifiable claims as to your college education and similar statements.

Dammit. I'm gonna go join the pot and kettle in the back of the bus for a while now. _{With the blow-up doll, too.}

If I were you, I'd hit up Google for a while and find some good, solid sources to present. Then you can come back and argue all you want. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to take you seriously.

Farkers wanting credibility, ZOMG. :)

Mztlplx: Not much to report. A lot of trolling, some "Tatsuma = Oh Noes Da Jooz Be Conspiratin' Zionifical-Like", little actual useful information.

Fantastic, I hate missing anything relevant.

Trolls, fark 'em.

Witchydiva: Giranan: Setting aside the ad hominem from both sides... she has a point. You haven't cited anything. All you've offered as proof are unverifiable claims as to your college education and similar statements.

Dammit. I'm gonna go join the pot and kettle in the back of the bus for a while now. With the blow-up doll, too.

If I were you, I'd hit up Google for a while and find some good, solid sources to present. Then you can come back and argue all you want. Otherwise it's extremely difficult to take you seriously.

Farkers wanting credibility, ZOMG. :)

I know, right? I guess I'm just a freak of nature. Like Bigfoot.

One thing I don't have to google. ApikOrOs is kind of a nut.

rastjr: One thing I don't have to google. ApikOrOs is kind of a nut.

That may well be your first understatement of the day...

Witchydiva: Tatsuma: I'm tired from moving my stuff in between flats all week(it's still 4 stories high with a broken elevator) and the racists were getting to me.

I'll work for a while then publish the timeline for today and keep on ignoring them

Been there. Just take some time out every so often to be thankful that you are healthy enough to move from flat to flat, that you have the luxury of time to continue the updates, and that free speech is still mostly free. And that you can get a beer if you want one. And that it isn't freaking 107 degrees here in Austin anymore.

Its been horrible lately hasn't it? The rain is a nice change of pace.

I miss the days of loads of rain, full rivers (where you could actually float twin falls and barton creek)....

libbynomore2: not to worry, Obama's on the case......thinks hot dogs and cokes will convince them to be different than they have been....

I wonder what brand of hot dogs will be served... Ballpark, or Hebrew National?

rastjr: One thing I don't have to google. ApikOrOs is kind of a nut.

I liken him to those Almond Joy/Mounds commercials. Sometimes he has some halfway decent posts, but other times he goes full WHARRGARBLE.

/sometimes you feel like a nut
//sometimes you don't

rastjr: One thing I don't have to google. ApikOrOs is kind of a nut.

That is the only thing I've seen you say that I've agreed with.

rastjr:

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

Yeah, what he said!
The American Government would never use tanks or other military hardware to burn a church full of people to the ground!
Or have trained snipers killing civilians in their home!
And military personnel would never open fire on protesters!

oh, wait...

/thinks rastjr is just a noob...

The Iranian "revolution"/"protests" are a creation of outsiders. There are real people over there protesting and upset (and there are people here and in the rest of the world protesting various things), but this is largely being staged/pumped up by outsiders. Several commentators have indicated it has all the marks of a staged CIA "color revolution." The fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain. All the twitter accounts were created about the same time and are largely identical to each other. The Iranian twitter people will discuss blog posts where the blogger has confirmed that no one from Iran visited their blog. There are a number of other indicators that this whole thing is nonsense and there is no popular support. If you look at either of the following books you will see that we have staged this sort of thing in the past and the usual result is either a new regime that is twice as bad or it fails and a bunch of people are slaughtered:

http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805078614

http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Weiner/dp/0307389006/ref=sr_1_1? i e=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245860730&sr=1-1

Sorry, that last post was meant to contain obvious indication that it was a stupid troll by use of cleaver HTML tagging references to trolls... but alas.. fark doesnt like my non-existant html tags.


anyway, read that on some blog, somewhere in the internets. quite entertaining.

Giranan: Witchydiva:
Farkers wanting credibility, ZOMG. :)

I know, right? I guess I'm just a freak of nature. Like Bigfoot.

Well, we keep getting spoonfed pablum by the MSM. We don't hold elected officials (or people in genera) accountable for their words or actions, and Fark.com isn't normally regarded as a bastion of veracity. It is doubly difficult now, since we've has to rely on tweets (of all things) for large chunks of news.

Kiam - just portaged a few steps on the Comal this weekend. Guadalupe is worse. Nuts! My office overlooks the Greenbelt. Thanks for reminding me to hike the trail again.

Apik0r0s: there is a concerted campaign whose aim is to propagandize the American public and further demonize the Iranian regime in their eyes

I think the regime's behavior in the past few weeks has accomplished this whole-handedly. I never supported bombing them, nor do I now, but my hatred for the regime could not be any higher.

stayne: rastjr:

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

Yeah, what he said!
The American Government would never use tanks or other military hardware to burn a church full of people to the ground!
Or have trained snipers killing civilians in their home!
And military personnel would never open fire on protesters!

oh, wait...

/thinks rastjr is just a noob...


I know your being facetious but really how many times have that happened. People have such a unfounded fear of the government. For the most part, government does good things to make our lives better. Sure there are a few bad apples.

Apik0r0s: America's choice
Mr Obama must now decide whether to let all this affect his efforts to engage Iran. His aim is to persuade the country to forgo its contentious nuclear plan-or at least to modify it and throw it open to scrutiny. Plainly, Israel's hawkish prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, senses a chance to help kibosh an American diplomatic initiative that discomfited him from the start.
Is the dream already over?
Jun 25th 2009 | TEHRAN
From The Economist print edition (new window)


No coincidence on the source of this story, or it's unquestioning believers (and propagators) in these forums. This doesn't mean it's not true, but it needs to be made very clear that there is a concerted campaign whose aim is to propagandize the American public and further demonize the Iranian regime in their eyes, setting the stage for a walkthrough in selling a bombing campaign or invasion to us, again.

I fully expect a front page NYT piece by Judith Miller any day now.

Your post reads like this: The Economist saying [given current event] is at a crossroads (which is every economist article ever written), followed by you bolding the part about the Jews being warlike and tricking the Americans, and ending with conspiracy theories implying that the Israelis are using propaganda to trick the American public into war. I'm so glad you posted that, I didn't realize that we are a couple of Twitter posts and some behind the scenes Jews away from war with Iran. I guess that this poll from three days ago saying that three out of four Americans are against war with Iran is just way off then, right? The height of media coverage was two weeks ago so you according to your "analysis," the propoghanda campaign launched by the hawkish Israelis should have had some effect? Or do you think it was zero in four two weeks ago?

But you're right, Tatsuma is the crazy one

kiam: The Iranian "revolution"/"protests" are a creation of outsiders. There are real people over there protesting and upset (and there are people here and in the rest of the world protesting various things), but this is largely being staged/pumped up by outsiders. Several commentators have indicated it has all the marks of a staged CIA "color revolution." The fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain. All the twitter accounts were created about the same time and are largely identical to each other. The Iranian twitter people will discuss blog posts where the blogger has confirmed that no one from Iran visited their blog. There are a number of other indicators that this whole thing is nonsense and there is no popular support. If you look at either of the following books you will see that we have staged this sort of thing in the past and the usual result is either a new regime that is twice as bad or it fails and a bunch of people are slaughtered:

http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805078614

http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Weiner/dp/0307389006/ref=sr_1_1? i e=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245860730&sr=1-1

So now it the CIA and not the Joooooozzz? I never got the memo. Sorry Tats, no can haz teh uprising.

Witchydiva: Giranan: Witchydiva:
Farkers wanting credibility, ZOMG. :)

I know, right? I guess I'm just a freak of nature. Like Bigfoot.

Well, we keep getting spoonfed pablum by the MSM. We don't hold elected officials (or people in genera) accountable for their words or actions, and Fark.com isn't normally regarded as a bastion of veracity. It is doubly difficult now, since we've has to rely on tweets (of all things) for large chunks of news.

Sadly true. The combination of social and political apathy in the States just depresses me. Bleh. I think I'll step out for a cup of tea and some sunshine.

The theory of it being a CIA backed 'Color' revolution has been around since hour 1 or 2 of the whole ordeal. Because God forbid people take measures into their own hands and decide to change their governments on their own...

Joe Blowme: kiam: The Iranian "revolution"/"protests" are a creation of outsiders. There are real people over there protesting and upset (and there are people here and in the rest of the world protesting various things), but this is largely being staged/pumped up by outsiders. Several commentators have indicated it has all the marks of a staged CIA "color revolution." The fact that all the signs are written in English is a big tip off. If I'm not mistaken, according to the CIA factbook, only 1% of Iranians know English and the language is considered with distain. All the twitter accounts were created about the same time and are largely identical to each other. The Iranian twitter people will discuss blog posts where the blogger has confirmed that no one from Iran visited their blog. There are a number of other indicators that this whole thing is nonsense and there is no popular support. If you look at either of the following books you will see that we have staged this sort of thing in the past and the usual result is either a new regime that is twice as bad or it fails and a bunch of people are slaughtered:

http://www.amazon.com/Overthrow-Americas-Century-Regime-Change/dp/0805078614

http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Weiner/dp/0307389006/ref=sr_1_1? i e=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245860730&sr=1-1

So now it the CIA and not the Joooooozzz? I never got the memo. Sorry Tats, no can haz teh uprising.

No 5 JOOISH Bankers?

/didn't get the memo either.

rastjr
government does good things to make our lives better


Ok, it official now... he a troll or just been locked up in moms basement his whole life.

I'm out as well, see you all in the next thread.

Witchydiva: Giranan: Witchydiva:
Farkers wanting credibility, ZOMG. :)

I know, right? I guess I'm just a freak of nature. Like Bigfoot.

Well, we keep getting spoonfed pablum by the MSM. We don't hold elected officials (or people in genera) accountable for their words or actions, and Fark.com isn't normally regarded as a bastion of veracity. It is doubly difficult now, since we've has to rely on tweets (of all things) for large chunks of news.

Kiam - just portaged a few steps on the Comal this weekend. Guadalupe is worse. Nuts! My office overlooks the Greenbelt. Thanks for reminding me to hike the trail again.

I always find the San Marcos river fun even in drought times. Its a constant 68 degrees (or is it 70?). Went to school there and have many fond memories of floating that river. But I miss taking my dogs to barton creek!

Joe Blowme: rastjr
government does good things to make our lives better


Ok, it official now... he a troll or just been locked up in moms basement his whole life.

Parks, clean water, sanitation. No, those are bad, we don't need those.

You were saying?

rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

OMG are you really serious!? You ever hear of this thing called a black market?
Congratulations. You have just been faved by me. And you will have your own special color just to remind me how special you are. I'm having trouble with what title you should have. I'm wavering between "special olympian" or "most trollish or stupid person on the planet". I guess for now I will just go with "does not believe in the black market".

rastjr: stayne: rastjr:

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

Yeah, what he said!
The American Government would never use tanks or other military hardware to burn a church full of people to the ground!
Or have trained snipers killing civilians in their home!
And military personnel would never open fire on protesters!

oh, wait...

/thinks rastjr is just a noob...


I know your being facetious but really how many times have that happened. People have such a unfounded fear of the government. For the most part, government does good things to make our lives better. Sure there are a few bad apples.

Kid, examples like I listed happening once is too much.

Abuse by/from the government is what incites crazies to blow up federal buildings (and that's not exactly a proper response either). And the damage that single U-Haul did really makes you wonder why OSB bothered with jetliners (but I digress...)

What's that old saying? 'Tyrannical dictators prefer unarmed peasants.' The simple fact that the american populace is armed protects us from being subjected to the abuse that is far too common in the world.

I'm not going to continue this discussion in a thread about the Iranian revolution, but please join a 2nd amendment/gun rights thread some time.

/end threadjack

Simple XI

I tried to email you, but the email in your profile is coming back no good (even with all the anti spam stripped out. Email me at the address in my profile man.

rastjr: Joe Blowme: rastjr
government does good things to make our lives better


Ok, it official now... he a troll or just been locked up in moms basement his whole life.

Parks, clean water, sanitation. No, those are bad, we don't need those.

You were saying?

I am glad you are finnaly seeing thing the fark way. Now, whos buying the beer?

CNN talking about reporter Bahari's "confession" right now.

rastjr: Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

No they would not.
Heroin, LSD, weed, and cocaine are all illegal and I could buy those in middle school. I knew a girl in high school whose 14 year old brother had fully automatic weapons and those are illegal. You are full of shiat and wrong wrong WRONG WRONG.

Too late, their back to MJ

Tavernknight: rastjr: Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

No they would not.
Heroin, LSD, weed, and cocaine are all illegal and I could buy those in middle school. I knew a girl in high school whose 14 year old brother had fully automatic weapons and those are illegal. You are full of shiat and wrong wrong WRONG WRONG.

Full auto is not illegal, you just need the right license

Tavernknight: rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

OMG are you really serious!? You ever hear of this thing called a black market?
Congratulations. You have just been faved by me. And you will have your own special color just to remind me how special you are. I'm having trouble with what title you should have. I'm wavering between "special olympian" or "most trollish or stupid person on the planet". I guess for now I will just go with "does not believe in the black market".

I'm not a troll and I have a college degree. Yes, i have heard of the black market. But because it is mysterious people have all kinds of visions of "oh my God the criminals are going to get bazookas. Please. If the government can't handle it, no one else can.

gulogulo: CaesarSneezy: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

What was that really annoying guy in the first Iran threads? LOL something?

YELLOL wasn't it?

Yep, that's the one.

stayne: rastjr: stayne: rastjr:

Well, I think your paranoia of the government is overblown. Sure there might be abuses, but the government isn't going to come down your street in a humvee and take you away in the middle of the night.

Yeah, what he said!
The American Government would never use tanks or other military hardware to burn a church full of people to the ground!
Or have trained snipers killing civilians in their home!
And military personnel would never open fire on protesters!

oh, wait...

/thinks rastjr is just a noob...


I know your being facetious but really how many times have that happened. People have such a unfounded fear of the government. For the most part, government does good things to make our lives better. Sure there are a few bad apples.

Kid, examples like I listed happening once is too much.

Abuse by/from the government is what incites crazies to blow up federal buildings (and that's not exactly a proper response either). And the damage that single U-Haul did really makes you wonder why OSB bothered with jetliners (but I digress...)

What's that old saying? 'Tyrannical dictators prefer unarmed peasants.' The simple fact that the american populace is armed protects us from being subjected to the abuse that is far too common in the world.

I'm not going to continue this discussion in a thread about the Iranian revolution, but please join a 2nd amendment/gun rights thread some time.

/end threadjack

Alright, I will when that thread comes up. Thanks for the invitation. I knew I would find some good guys on Fark if I hung out long enough.

perryjay: Full auto is not illegal, you just need the right license

Cases in point:




/"There are many like them, but these ones are mine."

Kyoki: Simple XI

I tried to email you, but the email in your profile is coming back no good (even with all the anti spam stripped out. Email me at the address in my profile man.

Sorry I'm late on this. Thanks again, and congrats again. Enjoy the next 6 months.

Tavernknight: rastjr: Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

No they would not.
Heroin, LSD, weed, and cocaine are all illegal and I could buy those in middle school. I knew a girl in high school whose 14 year old brother had fully automatic weapons and those are illegal. You are full of shiat and wrong wrong WRONG WRONG.

I'm sorry, putting it in bold doesn't make you right. If only the government had guns don't you think they would have enough power to take them away from the criminals?