"Its too bad people in the US don't protest like this against the oppression here. "

This is when I knew you were an idiot.

Witchydiva: Alright - so at the risk of sounding completely ignorant - does anyone have a list of things that we (on the other side of the farking world) can do to help? Besides:

hosting proxies
generally staying informed and passing it on


Is there ANY aid going in? Any refugees coming out who need help? What can I do?

Why We Protest - Iran (new window)

This thread in particular gives some good advice on what you can do online:
Link (new window)

gerdab.ir is a Iranian gov't site identifying protesters. I grabbed a CPU from a friend to help out.

Witchydiva: /signed up to volunteer with the local chapter of Habitat for Humanity, and submitted my application to volunteer for the Red Cross.

Much awesomeness. Charity (and respect for others) begins at home.

Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

Like in Mexico where private ownership of guns is illegal?

Don't you think we have a lttle bit more technology and expertise than Mexicans?

Witchydiva: It was hard to do at first, and now it is maddening.

/signed up to volunteer with the local chapter of Habitat for Humanity, and submitted my application to volunteer for the Red Cross.

You could try donating to the Iranian chapter of the Red Crescent, but I'm pretty sure the government considers them a 'foreign influence' and tries to keep them the hell away from any internal affairs they could actually assist with.

So, I doubt it would do much good, but if you want to, start Here (pops)

CanisNoir: atlanta_ufo: Great post. Twitter got the word out, but the outside world appeared helpless to do anything.

As is generally the case. The post you quoted was right, Twitter got the information out, and that information has had a ripple effect all across the Middle East. Democratic activists all over have seen the Iranians stand up for their rights and are now wondering "Why not us?"

Still lots of things to happen so just be patient :)

This is another point to consider: what will happen in other counties? Egypt, Jordan... Egypt especially. If another touchstone event in another country fires up, might have a widespread Islamic Civil War between moderates and conservatives; that pressure has been building for a while.

Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

Let's just say it stinks of ALT.

wolvernova: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

i'm not a troll. Why do the new guys get treated like this? It's not fair.

Myrdinn: This is another point to consider: what will happen in other counties? Egypt, Jordan... Egypt especially. If another touchstone event in another country fires up, might have a widespread Islamic Civil War between moderates and conservatives; that pressure has been building for a while.

There is no other government on Earth like Irans. The possibility is there, but I wouldn't say its 'high'.

What America should do is instead of this anti 'assault weapons' fetish is to simply ban anything shorter than ~1.5 foot. I really don't see handguns being particularly useful in a revolution (the point of the 2nd) anyway and they seem responsible for 90%+ of the current deaths.

Mztlplx: In this case, the mullahs are divided. The "home team advantage" is actually an away game on your own field. I doubt that they could silence an Ayatollah like Montazeri...

Yes but in this stalemate the victory will go to whoever can drink the most blood. At the current rate the only chance the students and oposition mullahs have is if the millitary steps in for their team, which isnt likely. Mantazeri will eventually get tired of seeing students slaughtered by the hundreds or he will "have an accident". Khamenei will never get fed up with killing students, Allah wants him to do it so he will do it until he runs out of students, without a strong resistance movement that can effectively combat a fanatical militant basij force the students will eventually run out of steam or people.

The Brittish got tired of choking on indian blood and went home, Khamenei will keep asking for seconds until the students run dry.

rastjr: wolvernova: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

i'm not a troll. Why do the new guys get treated like this? It's not fair.

We welcome new discussion here. It's a matter of how it is presented. "Fark you I'm right" doesn't work. I'd suggest taking the aggression down a couple of notches, and listening to those who are responding to you with an open mind. The answers aren't black and white. Help us find the right shade of gray.

rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

Calm down, you fabulous college graduate.

Oh - and as a response to your comment about having brilliant professors - let me just say that simply because my opera teacher sang at La Scala, there is no guarantee that I am (or ever will be) able to perform at that level myself.

rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

Like in Mexico where private ownership of guns is illegal?

Don't you think we have a lttle bit more technology and expertise than Mexicans?

Your entire argument is pointless cause we have the legal right to own guns, the government could never get rid of them all, and smuggling guns isn't that hard anyhow.

More to the point, criminals would bypass laws now to obtain guns, banning them outright wouldn't stop them.

Mztlplx: rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

Let's just say it stinks of ALT.

I don't know what ALT means. So tell me, do you like to debate the issues or not?

orclover: Mztlplx: In this case, the mullahs are divided. The "home team advantage" is actually an away game on your own field. I doubt that they could silence an Ayatollah like Montazeri...

Yes but in this stalemate the victory will go to whoever can drink the most blood. At the current rate the only chance the students and oposition mullahs have is if the millitary steps in for their team, which isnt likely. Mantazeri will eventually get tired of seeing students slaughtered by the hundreds or he will "have an accident". Khamenei will never get fed up with killing students, Allah wants him to do it so he will do it until he runs out of students, without a strong resistance movement that can effectively combat a fanatical militant basij force the students will eventually run out of steam or people.

The Brittish got tired of choking on indian blood and went home, Khamenei will keep asking for seconds until the students run dry.

If this is true, then I am reminded of "Ozymandias". All Khamenei will have left is a large statue of himself, forgotten in the middle of the desert.

Send a letter to the Ambassadors from Russia, China, and the EU... (new window)

I might be completely wrong, but I think getting EU too involved in this wouldn't be any better than US involvement; UK is an EU member, and overall the trans-Atlantic relations are quite close.

China? Why would China help the opposition?

Then there's Russia... As long as Ahmadi is in charge (nominally), Iran's foreign relations are going to be limited. Which benefits Russia more, getting oil from Iran (to be sold?) or letting EU buy it?

Also, in not-really-news: Basij militia calls for Mousavi to be prosecuted over post-election unrest (new window).

DNRTFA
DNRTFC


Unless the streetlamps are 4 feet tall in Iran, that seems like an unwise precedent to set.

Please, Farker T, tell us again how Bernard-Henri Levy isn't French since he's Jewish, and how he is stabbing France in the back.

Mztlplx: rastjr: wolvernova: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

i'm not a troll. Why do the new guys get treated like this? It's not fair.

We welcome new discussion here. It's a matter of how it is presented. "Fark you I'm right" doesn't work. I'd suggest taking the aggression down a couple of notches, and listening to those who are responding to you with an open mind. The answers aren't black and white. Help us find the right shade of gray.

Okay, I'll try. It seems like you are a good bunch of guys and girls.

SupremeLeader: How dare you!
I twittered 'til my fingers bled.
Well, what I thought was blood was actually strawberry jam stains.
But for a moment, I bled green for the Iranian freedom fighters who I wanted to blow up with nukes a couple of weeks ago, but who are now my bestest friends.

/101st Keyboarder signing off.

I got my first real smart-phone
Bought it at the AT&T
Twittered 'til my fingers bled
It was summer of '09

Me and some guys from internets
Had a proxy and we tried real hard
studman quit and barjockey got married
I shoulda known we'd never get far

Oh when I lock back now
That summer seemed to last forever
And if I had the choice
Ya - I'd always wanna be there
Those were the best days of my life

Witchydiva: rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

Calm down, you fabulous college graduate.

Oh - and as a response to your comment about having brilliant professors - let me just say that simply because my opera teacher sang at La Scala, there is no guarantee that I am (or ever will be) able to perform at that level myself.


What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

rastjr: Mztlplx: rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

Let's just say it stinks of ALT.

I don't know what ALT means. So tell me, do you like to debate the issues or not?

ALT = ALTernate login. A common ploy of trolls and threadshiatters.

And yes, I do enjoy debate. But debate is not the Monty Python argument sketch, right?

rastjr: What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

No you aren't, your far to busy asserting the truth of your arguments to even begin to learn.

سر آلت تناسلی مرد گردنفراز

KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

Like in Mexico where private ownership of guns is illegal?

Don't you think we have a lttle bit more technology and expertise than Mexicans?

Your entire argument is pointless cause we have the legal right to own guns, the government could never get rid of them all, and smuggling guns isn't that hard anyhow.

More to the point, criminals would bypass laws now to obtain guns, banning them outright wouldn't stop them.

People had the right to own slaves doesn't mean we can't change the constitution.

Mztlplx: rastjr: Mztlplx: rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

When was I supposed to create it? In the future?

Your question was dumb.

Let's just say it stinks of ALT.

I don't know what ALT means. So tell me, do you like to debate the issues or not?

ALT = ALTernate login. A common ploy of trolls and threadshiatters.

And yes, I do enjoy debate. But debate is not the Monty Python argument sketch, right?

I'm no ALT. Just a guy looking for answers to make myself and the world a better place.

rastjr: No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

Non answer. To broad and vague.



/hot

She's the most distressful counterie that ever yet was seen,
And they're hanging men and women for the wearing of the green.

/Yes, I know the song is about Ireland, but I felt it was appropriate here too.

StochasticLife: rastjr: What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

No you aren't, your far to busy asserting the truth of your arguments to even begin to learn.

سر آلت تناسلی مرد گردنفراز

I'm not sure why you are saying that. I know how some things should be. I know what is unfair and fair. I've been learning all my life.

rastjr: wolvernova: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

i'm not a troll. Why do the new guys get treated like this? It's not fair.

Because you insist on your baseless presumptions, don't back them up, and refuse to answer any challenging questions. For example, I asked you to tell me something about Iranian people beyond "they hate the US more than Ahmadinejad," and you didn't. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt by assuming you're a troll, and not actually this stupid.

Witchydiva: rastjr: No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

Non answer. To broad and vague.



/hot

I came across Fark last week and like it. I like to express my opinion on how the world should be. I think I have some answers to peoples' questions.

Alright - enough with the threadjack. and AWing of the "new" guy. Brilliant alt/troll. Lets move on now.



Anyone up for taking photos of their green ribbons and posting them so fellow like-minded people can see the iranians are not alone in this? As much as they can't be alone in an isolated country that is taking steps to further isolate itself from the rest of the world, that is...

wolvernova: rastjr: wolvernova: Witchydiva: rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.

i'm not a troll. Why do the new guys get treated like this? It's not fair.

Because you insist on your baseless presumptions, don't back them up, and refuse to answer any challenging questions. For example, I asked you to tell me something about Iranian people beyond "they hate the US more than Ahmadinejad," and you didn't. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt by assuming you're a troll, and not actually this stupid.

I've told you already that I am not a troll. Okay, I'll answer your question. Iranians are Persians not Arab and because of this they have always felt like and outsider. Thus, they feel threatened by the world around them and fear being destroyed. That is why they are seeking nuclear weapons.

rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr: No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

Non answer. To broad and vague.



/hot

I came across Fark last week and like it. I like to express my opinion on how the world should be. I think I have some answers to peoples' questions.

There's an anthem that we sing
"LURK MOAR!"

Don't tell me about the answer, 'cause then another one will come along soon. I don't believe you have the answer, I've got ideas too.
But if you've got enough naivite, and you've got conviction, then the answer is perfect for you

Witchydiva: Anyone up for taking photos of their green ribbons and posting them so fellow like-minded people can see the iranians are not alone in this? As much as they can't be alone in an isolated country that is taking steps to further isolate itself from the rest of the world, that is...

I wear scrubs, so no ribbons for me (at work anyway).

I have taken to wearing green shirts under my scrubs, but all of that is simply self-indulgent tokens of solidarity. Never been a ribbon guy, I want to actually DO something, but now, I can't even do what little I had been doing before.

rastjr: I've told you already that I am not a troll. Okay, I'll answer your question. Iranians are Persians not Arab and because of this they have always felt like and outsider. Thus, they feel threatened by the world around them and fear being destroyed. That is why they are seeking nuclear weapons.

Okay, not bad. Also: over 2/3 of Iran are under the age of 35. They have no real memory of the revolution, don't believe in it, are generally pro-western, and (particularly now) despise their govt. They are educated and progressive, and know a lot more about you than you'll ever know about them. Go back through the fark threads of the past few weeks and you'll gain a wealth of knowledge from the pictures, videos, and articles posted throughout.

This site has long hosted some great photos.(new window)

wyrlss: rastjr: Witchydiva: rastjr: No need to get defensive right off the bat, or insulting - I was asking what motivated you to create an account on that particular day. What event triggered you to join our online community as a member, rather than a lurker without a login?

What motivates me is the pursuit of truth. I believe I possess some truth but I am always looking to gain more.

Non answer. To broad and vague.



/hot

I came across Fark last week and like it. I like to express my opinion on how the world should be. I think I have some answers to peoples' questions.

There's an anthem that we sing
"LURK MOAR!"

Don't tell me about the answer, 'cause then another one will come along soon. I don't believe you have the answer, I've got ideas too.
But if you've got enough naivite, and you've got conviction, then the answer is perfect for you

Sorry I don't want to lurk more. If people don't like what I say it's just because they have been brainwashed by the conservative media.

Thanks for being civil though.

Fireproof: Thus far I have heard them say:

- It was staged.

- It was an accident by either the police or Basij (surprisingly half-honest for this regime)

- She was killed by a CIA sniper, conveniently out of site and not captured or seen by anyone's camera, I suppose.

- And yes, that it was Israel's doing somehow.

/I guess they haven't learned to go with one story and stick to it as far as this incident is concerned

My favorite was the one put forth by one of the Iranian newspapers that it was a foreign press reporter who paid some baddies to do it so he could report it, completely ignoring the fact that the press has been so far behind the curve all along that I couldn't credit them with anything even remotely that forward thinking. I can't seem to follow the money back from a story that nobody ever owned.

I think that they should have gone with the accidental killing, it has at least enough of a grain of a scintilla of truth that it probably would have assuaged some of the populace. As it is, it probably won over more of the youth and most of the cynics.

This thing still has a long way to play out, but I don't see any of the players doing anything to diffuse or otherwise ameliorate the situation. The hardliners are doing their darnedest to fan the flames through flatfooted and braindead action and speech, but then they're backed into a corner and couldn't really have done anything different without weakening their position. The opposition can't/won't back down either. This is going to get far uglier and result in a lot of young people dead, with the result being a weakened, and somewhat marginalized country, or a takeover by the opposition, followed by years of suicide bombings by the hardline factions who are unhappy with the secularist government that comes about.

rastjr: brainwashed by the conservative media.

seriously people, do you not realize he's a trolling alt?

Farker T: StochasticLife: Farker T:

ZOMG Tatsuma is spreading the lies of the JOOOZ.

STFU. I'm so tired of hearing you nutbags blame anyone who's proud to be Jewish as a secret Mosad agent trying to disrupt the white man's shaite, in this instance, by first disrupting the brown (olive?) man's shaite first.

You're so tired that you're blind?

Didn't read the article that said that those hung were convicted murderers?

Tatsumaco would never bend the truth to suit their agenda, would they?

I was going to express my doubts for a different reason, but that's another good one. Let me lay it out:

-Tatsuma isn't lying, he's just sharing a rumor he heard, that kangaroo court executions have started.

-The JP is around MSNBC's level of propaganda and pro-Israel, so it is wise but not absolutely necessary to seek independent confirmation.

-As Farker T pointed out, there's a very similar story that could have gotten "garbled" and led to an inaccurate rumor of "zomg hangings!"

-And the most important consideration (in my mind) is that Khamenei's regime is one of terrifying the populace into obedience and heavy-handed villainy. Executions for dissidents to "show we mean business" would probably be a little more open and unsubtle. Seeing as how they're into public executions.

Tatsuma: rastjr: brainwashed by the conservative media.

seriously people, do you not realize he's a trolling alt?



I'm not a trolling alt.

Way to welcome the new guy. Do you throw a flaming bag of shi! on your neighbors porch too?

It's hard to keep my spirits up around here. Everyone is so concerned with labels.

Tatsuma: rastjr: brainwashed by the conservative media.

seriously people, do you not realize he's a trolling alt?

Really? I don't see it. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable member of FARK to me.

Tatsuma: rastjr: brainwashed by the conservative media.

seriously people, do you not realize he's a trolling alt?

BINGO!! Conservative media my ass. Have you ever watched any of the big 4 news broadcasts?

rastjr: Way to welcome the new guy. Do you throw a flaming bag of shi! on your neighbors porch too?

You're the one that brought the bag of shiat with your absolutely false (and still unsourced) caricature of Iranians. You bring the stupid, and you'll get slapped down. There isn't much tolerance for dishonesty here.

rastjr: Tatsuma: rastjr: brainwashed by the conservative media.

seriously people, do you not realize he's a trolling alt?

I'm not a trolling alt.
Way to welcome the new guy. Do you throw a flaming bag of shi! on your neighbors porch too?

It's hard to keep my spirits up around here. Everyone is so concerned with labels.

Actualy the bag of flaming shiat on the neighbors porch is funny as hell when it works as intended. Maybe someone should do it to dinner jackets house.

wolvernova: rastjr: Way to welcome the new guy. Do you throw a flaming bag of shi! on your neighbors porch too?

You're the one that brought the bag of shiat with your absolutely false (and still unsourced) caricature of Iranians. You bring the stupid, and you'll get slapped down. There isn't much tolerance for dishonesty here.

But thankfully he knows if we ban guns, the criminals will just throw their hands up in the air and stop using guns to commit crimes.

StochasticLife: I have taken to wearing green shirts under my scrubs, but all of that is simply self-indulgent tokens of solidarity. Never been a ribbon guy, I want to actually DO something, but now, I can't even do what little I had been doing before.

It is self-indulgent. And only a token act - nothing actually useful. The only use I've found is the single person that asked me what the ribbon on my wrist meant, since they had seen a couple other people sporting the same device.

If anyone knows of any refugees coming out - and it is safe to identify them - please let us know how we can help them, since we can't help anyone inside the country ATM (other than proxies/RTing).

wolvernova: rastjr: Way to welcome the new guy. Do you throw a flaming bag of shi! on your neighbors porch too?

You're the one that brought the bag of shiat with your absolutely false (and still unsourced) caricature of Iranians. You bring the stupid, and you'll get slapped down. There isn't much tolerance for dishonesty here.

Were you the guy that asked for something I know about the Iranian people and I did?

What falsehoods did I bring here? When was I dishonest?

I'm not taking anything personal. I still like everyone here.