rastjr: gulogulo: rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

Ok, it's a troll, folks. No one actually believes this.

I do. Sure I may have overstated it a little but guns would be much easier to ban then say drugs.

LOL. Come down by the border, won't you? I'll give you a little lesson. You must live a very sheltered existence to actually believe that banning guns will significantly reduce the numbers of criminals who have guns.

wolvernova: rastjr: Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Okay, I take back what I said. You ARE a farking idiot. Jesus Christ, get the fark out of here.

1) it didn't "fail", what failed was the govt's attempt to hijack the elections and make the people swallow it, which they did NOT

2) they do NOT hate Israel and the US, and definitely don't dislike them more than Ahmadinejad. You do not know jack shiat about Iranians, so stop trying to project your made-up personification of them.

It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

gulogulo: As I said before, please look into the history of American-Iranian relations before you make overly simplistic, if not ignorant statements. I don't believe Obama is perfect, but his reaction was appropriate, and in truth, the only action he could take.

Quite the contrary. He could have:

1. Called out the election for the scam it was.
2. Spoken out for the side of freedom and democracy, remember "Tear down that wall" and "Ich bin ein Berliner". And those were on foreign soil against a much more formidable oppoenent.

Personally, I would have added #3. bomb the reactors.

Obama is a pussy abroad, and a bully at home. I'm starting to think he really does support the muslims and facists around the world.

rastjr: Simple XI: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. My point was, that I think I understand the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment better than I ever had prior to the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, I think we've allowed politicians and certain lobbying organizations to bastardize the true intent of the Amendment. I generally agree with your statement re guns for hunting. And if Iranians had been afforded a constitutional right to keep even just one deer rifle or one shotgun (i.e., hunting arms), I suspect that the news would be a lot different today.

Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

First, I think it's too early to deem the "revolution" a failure. Second, the Basij, who appear to have been the main instrument in quelling the protests, would have been a lot more hestitant to bum rush people's homes and businesses if they thought that a 12 guage blast might greet them as they came through the door. Third, I think once it became a full-fledged civil war, heavier assistance would have been supplied by organizations other than the US. Rifles would have bought a heck of a lot of time. Finally, I think you might be selling the well educated people of Iran very short. They know the regime is full of crap. Unfortunately, they don't control the TV and other mass media. Do you really think the average Teheran citizen buys the story of the CIA asassinating Neda?

Headline: As the Iranian authorities warned the opposition on Tuesday that they would tolerate no further protests over the disputed election, reports indicate that they have secretly started hanging arrested Mousavi supporters

News Source:


Boobieser in thread (and probable submitter): Tatsuma

Consider the source(s).

Then consider the following from ISNA News Agency:

Iran hangs six for murder (new window)

4 hours ago

TEHRAN (AFP) - Six people convicted of murder were hanged in Tehran's Evin prison on Wednesday, ISNA news agency reported.

"Six people sentenced to Qisas (retribution) were hanged this morning," judiciary official Esmatollah Jaberi told the agency.

He did not identify the convicts but said that some of them had murdered their spouses.

The latest hangings bring to at least 133 the number of people executed in Iran so far this year, according to an AFP count based on news reports.

In 2008, Iran executed 246 people.

Human rights group Amnesty International has said that in 2007 Iran applied the death penalty more than any other country apart from China, executing 335 people.

Tehran says the death penalty is a necessary tool for maintaining public security and is only applied after exhaustive judicial proceedings.

Murder, rape, armed robbery, drug trafficking and adultery are punishable by death in Iran.

Maybe things aren't always as SOME would have us believe?

/Propaganda
//Powerful
///It is

Sounds like Iran needed a second amendment.

rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

You are ignorant. How many Iranians do you know? Have you ever read anything about Iran? A book maybe? I find it impossible to believe that you'd make that insulting remark about Iranians if you knew ANYTHING about what they were like. I don't care if you're a college grad, so am I. I know a lot of people without degrees that know more about Iran than you'll ever know, and I know a lot of retards that hold college degrees and think it makes them subject matter experts, even on subjects with which they are completely devoid of any knowledge. You fit in the latter category.

cchris_39: Quite the contrary. He could have:

Ok. Let's think this through. An American-backed Iranian government is put into place. How long do you think it'll last, given history in that area?

I think you simply want any reason to hate Obama, even if it means willfully ignoring history.

rastjr: It's not a made up personification.

Oh, and if it is not a made up personification, better tell me where you dug that bullshiat up from. I'm willing to wager you know the least about Iranians of everyone in this thread, so respond knowing that if you try to bullshiat, you'll get pwned.

Farker T:

ZOMG Tatsuma is spreading the lies of the JOOOZ.

STFU. I'm so tired of hearing you nutbags blame anyone who's proud to be Jewish as a secret Mosad agent trying to disrupt the white man's shaite, in this instance, by first disrupting the brown (olive?) man's shaite first.

...oh and who thread-jacked this into a debate over the second amendment?

Objection! Relevance.

Simple XI: rastjr: Simple XI: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. My point was, that I think I understand the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment better than I ever had prior to the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, I think we've allowed politicians and certain lobbying organizations to bastardize the true intent of the Amendment. I generally agree with your statement re guns for hunting. And if Iranians had been afforded a constitutional right to keep even just one deer rifle or one shotgun (i.e., hunting arms), I suspect that the news would be a lot different today.

Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

First, I think it's too early to deem the "revolution" a failure. Second, the Basij, who appear to have been the main instrument in quelling the protests, would have been a lot more hestitant to bum rush people's homes and businesses if they thought that a 12 guage blast might greet them as they came through the door. Third, I think once it became a full-fledged civil war, heavier assistance would have been supplied by organizations other than the US. Rifles would have bought a heck of a lot of time. Finally, I think you might be selling the well educated people of Iran very short. They know the regime is full of crap. Unfortunately, they don't control the TV and other mass media. Do you really think the average Teheran citizen buys the story of the CIA asassinating Neda?

Oh it's over. I'm sure of that. The conservative controlled media aren't covering anymore. Put a fork in it. take it to the bank. I'm good at analysing these things.

kiam: I'm sick of you people constantly biatching about this.

Then stop doing this, it's uninformative and retarded.

You shouldn't let your panties get wet until this becomes a true civil rights movement (i.e.: they dump Mousavi and fight for their own cause). A little look at Mousavi ('81-'89, Prime Minister of Iran) should tell you a "Mousavi" movement isn't a whole lot to cheer about. The kind of person who knows Mousavi's ties AND supports him, isn't exactly a different animal than an Ahmedinejad supporter.

Sure, the enemy of your enemy is..well, who gives a shiat.

rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Okay, I take back what I said. You ARE a farking idiot. Jesus Christ, get the fark out of here.

1) it didn't "fail", what failed was the govt's attempt to hijack the elections and make the people swallow it, which they did NOT

2) they do NOT hate Israel and the US, and definitely don't dislike them more than Ahmadinejad. You do not know jack shiat about Iranians, so stop trying to project your made-up personification of them.

It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

I would recommend spending some time in a remote place. Really remote. Let me tell you it isn't the mountain lions that are the scariest thing breathing out there. I get the sense your position is coming from one who has lived a rather "safe" life. It's easy, very easy, to condemn others for defending themselves through means you don't personally need when you are surrounded in security.

And, not to mention that the original intention of 2nd Amendment is meant to protect ourselves from our government. I won't sacrifice that because some abuse it.

atlanta_ufo: gulogulo: I've been reading these threads since this start, and the boasting snarks saying "Ha, see I told you Twitter wouldn't topple the revolution," are really missing out on what Twitter was actually doing, in the historic context of revolutions and the ever expanding global awareness facilitated by the internet. Without Twitter, the only information coming out of Iran would be what the Iranian government would be releasing. Yes, of course there was a lot of misinformation, but there were also many up to the hour updates that appear to have been accurate representations of what was happening in a country otherwise closed off to the world. Did I or anyone else ever expect Twitter alone to topple a regime? No. No one did, but it was instrumental in keeping the world informed which is an important aspect of any oppressed group; having their voices heard by others other than their oppressors. It was the kind of dissemination that has never been seen before in the context of international affairs, and that's pretty important; a modern day grass roots. 10 years ago this wouldn't have likely been possible.

And, if as you say, it was completely inconsequential, why is it then that Iran is forming an "online espionage" task force?


Great post. Twitter got the word out, but the outside world appeared helpless to do anything.

Ask Anonymous and Austin Heap if the outside world was helpless. Twitter is not the only reason the are forming an "online espionage" unit. They were directly hacked, DDos'd, proxies are continuing to be set up, Torrents continuously fed, etc. No longer can they keep info from getting out.

rastjr: I'm good at analysing these things.

How much do you make a year as a political analyst?

This isn't over, by a long shot. The last time Iran had a revolution it took 15 months.

The only quick revolutions are the bloody ones, and most of those turn out BADLY, frequently WORSE than the government they replaced.

The Iranians are in this for the long haul, and want actual change, which takes a peaceful approach and TIME.

And martyrs.

wolvernova: rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

You are ignorant. How many Iranians do you know? Have you ever read anything about Iran? A book maybe? I find it impossible to believe that you'd make that insulting remark about Iranians if you knew ANYTHING about what they were like. I don't care if you're a college grad, so am I. I know a lot of people without degrees that know more about Iran than you'll ever know, and I know a lot of retards that hold college degrees and think it makes them subject matter experts, even on subjects with which they are completely devoid of any knowledge. You fit in the latter category.

Don't get mad. Yes, I know about Iran. I read. I even know a real Iranian. I'm not saying they are bad people.

rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

So because you graduated college & listened to a few professors, you are now an expert on the subject? The majority of Iranians don't hate the US. 70% of the population is under 30 and have very amiable feelings towards Americans. Just like we have 22% right-wing nutjobs here, they have approx. that many over there. They are a minority, but unfortunately have the power right now.

After the election, though, it would seem that last statement is about to change.

rastjr: The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

So US and Israel can control Iran by just telling it we want them to do the opposite of what we actually want them to do?

Congrats, I can't tell if you are a troll or one of the dumbest people on Fark.

rastjr: I'm good at analysing these things.

I'll sleep better at night now, knowing this.

gulogulo: rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Okay, I take back what I said. You ARE a farking idiot. Jesus Christ, get the fark out of here.

1) it didn't "fail", what failed was the govt's attempt to hijack the elections and make the people swallow it, which they did NOT

2) they do NOT hate Israel and the US, and definitely don't dislike them more than Ahmadinejad. You do not know jack shiat about Iranians, so stop trying to project your made-up personification of them.

It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

I would recommend spending some time in a remote place. Really remote. Let me tell you it isn't the mountain lions that are the scariest thing breathing out there. I get the sense your position is coming from one who has lived a rather "safe" life. It's easy, very easy, to condemn others for defending themselves through means you don't personally need when you are surrounded in security.

StochasticLife: Farker T:

ZOMG Tatsuma is spreading the lies of the JOOOZ.

STFU. I'm so tired of hearing you nutbags blame anyone who's proud to be Jewish as a secret Mosad agent trying to disrupt the white man's shaite, in this instance, by first disrupting the brown (olive?) man's shaite first.

You're so tired that you're blind?

Didn't read the article that said that those hung were convicted murderers?

Tatsumaco would never bend the truth to suit their agenda, would they?

rastjr: Oh it's over. I'm sure of that. The conservative controlled media aren't covering anymore. Put a fork in it. take it to the bank. I'm good at analysing these things.

Huh--that's a term I have honestly never heard before. I thought the MSM was liberal.

Anyway, if you think that a non-military overthrow of a government is going to take 2 weeks, you're more ignorant that we thought. The revolution in 1979 took over a year. This one will take just as long, if not longer, to play out.

When the majority of the population realizes that their gov't tried to dupe them, they're not about to sit back and take it.

rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

You are ignorant. How many Iranians do you know? Have you ever read anything about Iran? A book maybe? I find it impossible to believe that you'd make that insulting remark about Iranians if you knew ANYTHING about what they were like. I don't care if you're a college grad, so am I. I know a lot of people without degrees that know more about Iran than you'll ever know, and I know a lot of retards that hold college degrees and think it makes them subject matter experts, even on subjects with which they are completely devoid of any knowledge. You fit in the latter category.

Don't get mad. Yes, I know about Iran. I read. I even know a real Iranian. I'm not saying they are bad people.

The only thing you've said so far about them is that they hate the U.S. and Israel. While anecdotal evidence could support or reject any "opinion" on what a populace hates, if you've seen a single documentary or report from Iran, you'd know that asinine statement is certainly not true, particularly of the US.

So tell me something about Iranians. Tell me something you know. I'm guessing this will go unanswered, but I figure I'll give it a shot anyway.

gulogulo: rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Okay, I take back what I said. You ARE a farking idiot. Jesus Christ, get the fark out of here.

1) it didn't "fail", what failed was the govt's attempt to hijack the elections and make the people swallow it, which they did NOT

2) they do NOT hate Israel and the US, and definitely don't dislike them more than Ahmadinejad. You do not know jack shiat about Iranians, so stop trying to project your made-up personification of them.

It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

I would recommend spending some time in a remote place. Really remote. Let me tell you it isn't the mountain lions that are the scariest thing breathing out there. I get the sense your position is coming from one who has lived a rather "safe" life. It's easy, very easy, to condemn others for defending themselves through means you don't personally need when you are surrounded in security.

And, not to mention that the original intention of 2nd Amendment is meant to protect ourselves from our government. I won't sacrifice that because some abuse it.

What are you going on about? What doees it matter where I come from. I care about people dying because of guns. You go on about mountain lions.

liam76: So US and Israel can control Iran by just telling it we want them to do the opposite of what we actually want them to do?

I want the Iranian government to STOP showering me with money and hot hot Persian women. I repeat, STOP. This is offical US policy.

brigid_fitch: rastjr: It's not a made up personification. I'm a college graduate not some yahoo off the street. Some of my professors were well read and travelled men and women. So I am not ignorant on this subject.

So because you graduated college & listened to a few professors, you are now an expert on the subject? The majority of Iranians don't hate the US. 70% of the population is under 30 and have very amiable feelings towards Americans. Just like we have 22% right-wing nutjobs here, they have approx. that many over there. They are a minority, but unfortunately have the power right now.

After the election, though, it would seem that last statement is about to change.

I'm more of an expert than most. And my estimation is that the revolution is done. Will you apologise to me when that comes true?

rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

that_other_internet: kiam: I'm sick of you people constantly biatching about this.

Then stop doing this, it's uninformative and retarded.

You shouldn't let your panties get wet until this becomes a true civil rights movement (i.e.: they dump Mousavi and fight for their own cause). A little look at Mousavi ('81-'89, Prime Minister of Iran) should tell you a "Mousavi" movement isn't a whole lot to cheer about. The kind of person who knows Mousavi's ties AND supports him, isn't exactly a different animal than an Ahmedinejad supporter.

Sure, the enemy of your enemy is..well, who gives a shiat.

I'd agree. I know Mousavi isn't the knight in badass armor. My only arguments are in regards to the method in which we accept and report on the happenings in the area. This situation has resulted in very VERY little confirmed reporting on the area since the gubbment is regulating everything. I dont care what the situation is, but if the situation of the people cannot be properly reported on, we MUST rely on whatever means we have from gathering information from the area. Sure the israeli newspaper is probably far from un-biased on the area, but they are close to it, and probably get more information than the rest of us. Their reports should not be cast aside simply because of who they are. Its all we've got right now, aside form twitter...

With the use of logic we can pretty well determine when reports are trying to cast a biased opinion or not. Knowing what we know of Iran, its rulers and its people its not hard to deduce what the truth is more than likely to be.

Simple XI: rastjr: I'm good at analysing these things.

I'll sleep better at night now, knowing this.

Good one. I chuckled. Really.

Mosad agent trying to disrupt the white man's shaite, in this instance, by first disrupting the brown (olive?) man's shaite first.

technically, Iranians are "white".

\But agree with everything else.

orclover: This is going about how I expected, just taking longer. Those kids have a limmited window here to start suicide bombings and assasinations or they might as well start running for the exits out of the country now.

Or do some of you still think flowers and puppydogs are still the way to overthrow a fanatical fundementalist dictatorship?

Worked for Ghandi against the Raj...why not Iranians against the Supreme Leader?

rastjr: I'm more of an expert than most

سر آلت تناسلی مرد گردنفراز

liam76: rastjr: The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

So US and Israel can control Iran by just telling it we want them to do the opposite of what we actually want them to do?

Congrats, I can't tell if you are a troll or one of the dumbest people on Fark.

I'm not a troll.

Your question has more truth than you think.

brigid_fitch: rastjr: Oh it's over. I'm sure of that. The conservative controlled media aren't covering anymore. Put a fork in it. take it to the bank. I'm good at analysing these things.

Huh--that's a term I have honestly never heard before. I thought the MSM was liberal.

Anyway, if you think that a non-military overthrow of a government is going to take 2 weeks, you're more ignorant that we thought. The revolution in 1979 took over a year. This one will take just as long, if not longer, to play out.

When the majority of the population realizes that their gov't tried to dupe them, they're not about to sit back and take it.

Nah. They are going to get bored soon and the moment they see something new and exciting the whole thing will be over. Maybe they've been too busy to hear about Billy Mays? Just wait.

:/

rastjr: What are you going on about? What doees it matter where I come from. I care about people dying because of guns. You go on about mountain lions.

Do you really need it spelled out for you? Come on. You have to be a troll. No one could be THIS obtuse.

wolvernova: gulogulo: rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

Ok, it's a troll, folks. No one actually believes this.

I don't think so. Just a full retard.

Okay, I'm leaning towards troll now. Nobody can be this stupid. Simply not possible.

kiam: I know Mousavi isn't the knight in badass armor.

So this isn't what Moussavi looks like? Goddamn it!

Alright - so at the risk of sounding completely ignorant - does anyone have a list of things that we (on the other side of the farking world) can do to help? Besides:

hosting proxies
generally staying informed and passing it on


Is there ANY aid going in? Any refugees coming out who need help? What can I do?

Mztlplx: Worked for Ghandi against the Raj...why not Iranians against the Supreme Leader?

Because the Brittish were nothing like the modern day Iranian Government, they were also occupiers. The Mullahs have a home team advantage.

brigid_fitch: rastjr: Oh it's over. I'm sure of that. The conservative controlled media aren't covering anymore. Put a fork in it. take it to the bank. I'm good at analysing these things.

Huh--that's a term I have honestly never heard before. I thought the MSM was liberal.

Anyway, if you think that a non-military overthrow of a government is going to take 2 weeks, you're more ignorant that we thought. The revolution in 1979 took over a year. This one will take just as long, if not longer, to play out.

When the majority of the population realizes that their gov't tried to dupe them, they're not about to sit back and take it.

Liberal in this country is conservative in the rest of the world. SO yes, conservative controlled media.

Bartleby the Scrivener: technically, Iranians are "white".

Who knew?

I guess my Jewish decoder ring is broken. I wondered why they wanted to blow up a Camero...

rastjr: I'm more of an expert than most. And my estimation is that the revolution is done. Will you apologise to me when that comes true?

If it's done, then I am wrong. Let me check the newsfeed:

10:34 AM ET -- Mousavi's new statement. Translated by the excellent National Iranian American Council:

Mir Hussein Mousavi issued a statement today in response to Guardian Council certifying the election results. Mousavi said the majority of the people including him do not recognize the legitimacy of the current government. He expressed his fears about a grave danger facing the country because people no longer trust the government. According to Mousavi, it is not too late to regain people's trust and reinstate the rule of the law. Denying the fact that people have lost their trust in the government is not beneficial, he said. He requested an end to the militarization of the society, revising the election laws, honoring the article 27 of the constitution (freedom of assembly), freedom of media, reactivating news websites, and a ban of illegal government intervention in restricting communication and monitoring people's activities among other things.

Nope, still going on. You're wrong.

KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

Witchydiva: Is there ANY aid going in? Any refugees coming out who need help? What can I do?

There really isn't anything going out or coming in, still.

So, no, we have to twiddle our thumbs for now.

brigid_fitch: rastjr: I'm more of an expert than most. And my estimation is that the revolution is done. Will you apologise to me when that comes true?

If it's done, then I am wrong. Let me check the newsfeed:

10:34 AM ET -- Mousavi's new statement. Translated by the excellent National Iranian American Council:

Mir Hussein Mousavi issued a statement today in response to Guardian Council certifying the election results. Mousavi said the majority of the people including him do not recognize the legitimacy of the current government. He expressed his fears about a grave danger facing the country because people no longer trust the government. According to Mousavi, it is not too late to regain people's trust and reinstate the rule of the law. Denying the fact that people have lost their trust in the government is not beneficial, he said. He requested an end to the militarization of the society, revising the election laws, honoring the article 27 of the constitution (freedom of assembly), freedom of media, reactivating news websites, and a ban of illegal government intervention in restricting communication and monitoring people's activities among other things.

Nope, still going on. You're wrong.

Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Really curious why you think criminals with intent to do illegal stuff, would magically not cross the line of buying guns illegally?

Because guns would be much more difficult to smuggle and sell.

Like in Mexico where private ownership of guns is illegal?

NobleHam: This isn't over yet, remember the mourning cycle... 3 days, 7 days, 40 days. On July 30th (40 days from Neda's death), I would expect some big protests. The Revolution which took down the Shah took a year. Westerners are just too impatient.

This.

And, yes, they mass ran child soldiers through minefields twenty years ago, etc... I don't see this mindset as ever being broken. Indeed, if they do go into violent mode, the revolution will not stop.

orclover: Mztlplx: Worked for Ghandi against the Raj...why not Iranians against the Supreme Leader?

Because the Brittish were nothing like the modern day Iranian Government, they were also occupiers. The Mullahs have a home team advantage.

In this case, the mullahs are divided. The "home team advantage" is actually an away game on your own field. I doubt that they could silence an Ayatollah like Montazeri...

StochasticLife: There really isn't anything going out or coming in, still.

So, no, we have to twiddle our thumbs for now.

It was hard to do at first, and now it is maddening.

/signed up to volunteer with the local chapter of Habitat for Humanity, and submitted my application to volunteer for the Red Cross.

rastjr:
Your being emotional about. Trust me.

rastjr 2009-06-24 14:14:38 - what made you create that account a week ago today? Just curious.