And this is a secret if it is on Fark? Man, those Iranian authorities have some work to do.

chasd00: isn't more of Iran's style to hang these people in public? You don't get much for hanging them in private except a spare prison cell.

Anyone shutter at the thought that GWB was right? Iran really *is* an axis of evil.

If they were outright traitors, calling for the demise of the Revolution and the Islamic Republic, yes.
They aren't. Thus, hanging them is less a thing to be made into spectacle and more a shameful act to hide the failure of the state.

atlanta_ufo: gulogulo: I've been reading these threads since this start, and the boasting snarks saying "Ha, see I told you Twitter wouldn't topple the revolution," are really missing out on what Twitter was actually doing, in the historic context of revolutions and the ever expanding global awareness facilitated by the internet. Without Twitter, the only information coming out of Iran would be what the Iranian government would be releasing. Yes, of course there was a lot of misinformation, but there were also many up to the hour updates that appear to have been accurate representations of what was happening in a country otherwise closed off to the world. Did I or anyone else ever expect Twitter alone to topple a regime? No. No one did, but it was instrumental in keeping the world informed which is an important aspect of any oppressed group; having their voices heard by others other than their oppressors. It was the kind of dissemination that has never been seen before in the context of international affairs, and that's pretty important; a modern day grass roots. 10 years ago this wouldn't have likely been possible.

And, if as you say, it was completely inconsequential, why is it then that Iran is forming an "online espionage" task force?


Great post. Twitter got the word out, but the outside world appeared helpless to do anything.

Thanks. I agree, that is frustrating, but in an indirect way what we did do was listen and share. That it is now forever in the public record will make it difficult for Iran to rewrite the text books and have it stick. Of course, they'll try.

"There was no independent confirmation of the report."

so in basically this is a glorified twitter message, not a news article. yay for journalistic integrity!

This is going about how I expected, just taking longer. Those kids have a limmited window here to start suicide bombings and assasinations or they might as well start running for the exits out of the country now.

Or do some of you still think flowers and puppydogs are still the way to overthrow a fanatical fundementalist dictatorship?

gulogulo: Ahh, the Fark cynic. Who will jump in tell you that you were wrong while all the long he knew better.

I think the revolution has been suppressed, but I think it is really naive to think it's over. It'll go quiet, maybe even sleep for a year or two, maybe more, but for the people who were harmed the feeling of resentment isn't going to go away. When it does resurface (and it will eventually) it'll be the same revolution as before, the issues being contested. Why do you think China restricted the media coverage out of Iran? Because all their revolutionaries have gone away and perfectly contented citizens now?

i fully support the iranians in their effort to revolt against tyranny but the reality is that the only way they will win is by taking up arms against their foes (not going to happen) or gaining massive support from the rest of the world.

they had it, they had it for about 4 days, then the hilariously short attention spans of the rest of the world turned to something else more shiny and interesting.

unfortunatly, the only way to get the world interested is for the blood to flow. far more blood then the blood of Neda, may she rest in peace.

idiomagic: This is a terrible thing for the people, but, in the long run, good news for the revolution as a whole.

I still find it hard to understand how they could have made so many idiotic moves...everything they do or say simply adds new recruits to the protesters and their cause.

One word: Narcissism.

Cinaed: chasd00: isn't more of Iran's style to hang these people in public? You don't get much for hanging them in private except a spare prison cell.

Anyone shutter at the thought that GWB was right? Iran really *is* an axis of evil.

If they were outright traitors, calling for the demise of the Revolution and the Islamic Republic, yes.
They aren't. Thus, hanging them is less a thing to be made into spectacle and more a shameful act to hide the failure of the state.

Maybe they're waking up and realise that hanging them in public would only make them martyrs, thus "feeding" the movement.

orclover: This is going about how I expected, just taking longer. Those kids have a limmited window here to start suicide bombings and assasinations or they might as well start running for the exits out of the country now.

Or do some of you still think flowers and puppydogs are still the way to overthrow a fanatical fundementalist dictatorship?

You really don't know anything about those people and their history.

Sad news, but this thing is FAR from over. The people will not forget. I don't anticipate Ahamaegatrgnpafedhg presidency to go smoothly. At all.

the Iranian experts in Washington seem to think there has been an internal coup and that the religious leadership is no longer in control. that means that Ahmadinejad, an ignorant, superstitious, paranoiac guy with a god complex now is in total control of the country. and, ala Stalin and Hitler, he will probably soak the ground of his homeland with the blood of his own people.
like Argentina under the generals, a whole lot of people are going to disappear and the hardest job for the thugs will be figuring out where to hide the bodies.

iceberg theory: "There was no independent confirmation of the report."

so in basically this is a glorified twitter message, not a news article. yay for journalistic integrity!

Kinda par for the course in these threads.

well the obvious solution now is to kill the basij

Tatsuma: According to Ahmadinejad, the following countries have recognized him: India, Tunisia, Malaysia, Lebanon, North Korea, Kuwait, Nicaragua, Comoros, Cambodia, , Senegal, Cuba, Belarus, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Algeria, Turkmenistan, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Bahrain, Yemen, Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Russia, Azerbaijan, Qatar, Tajikistan, Armenia, Oman, Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China and Venezuela



Who the fark said that? Like who? India. Cuba's sending cigars. Stankonia said they're willing to drop bombs over Baghdad. Riggity Row is coming! Afrika Bambata and the Zulu Nation. What I'm sayin' is, I am not doing this by myself and I'm not disrespecting the UN, even though they don't got no army. Go sell some medicine, biatches!

darkvstar: that means that Ahmadinejad, an ignorant, superstitious, paranoiac guy with a god complex now is in total control of the country.

I have some doubts about that, frankly.

Well, not the part about him being ignorant, superstitious and paranoiac with a deity complex, the other last bit

that_other_internet: iceberg theory: "There was no independent confirmation of the report."

so in basically this is a glorified twitter message, not a news article. yay for journalistic integrity!

Kinda par for the course in these threads.

I'm sick of you people constantly biatching about this. If you dont like it, either stay out of the thread, or go find a way to get some information and report on it according to your integrity standards. If you haven't noticed, there is a severe shortage of reporting from this area as most communications have been shut off. Our main stream media isnt even reporting on it any longer. So stop your farking biatching and either go away, or do something about it.


We are simply discussing all that is available to us from this region. Would you prefer that we follow the trend of the media and just ignore the fact that anything is happening simply because we dont have live television feeds and loads of reporters on the ground?

/You dont see it on TV so its not true, and unsubstantiated right?
//fark off already.

wolvernova: orclover: This is going about how I expected, just taking longer. Those kids have a limmited window here to start suicide bombings and assasinations or they might as well start running for the exits out of the country now.

Or do some of you still think flowers and puppydogs are still the way to overthrow a fanatical fundementalist dictatorship?

You really don't know anything about those people and their history.

To be honest I dont really care to either. I do however have a decent grasp on human nature and I know that the current regime wont budge without a half of the mullahs dying.

Hey, they are a sovereign nation - none of our business. Hopey said so.

HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

Tatsuma: kiam: I'm sick of you people

That is pure, 100%-weapons-grade Flawless Victory right there.

/I got banned in your circlejerk thread, you inglorious zionist bastard!
//Two well-placed bullets. . .

Ahmedinejad and the Ayatollah can keep their rule by divine right. Let's send the revolutionaries weapons. We'll see who wins out: Allah or artillery.

cchris_39: Hey, they are a sovereign nation - none of our business. Hopey said so.

As I said before, please look into the history of American-Iranian relations before you make overly simplistic, if not ignorant statements. I don't believe Obama is perfect, but his reaction was appropriate, and in truth, the only action he could take.

Excen: Tatsuma: kiam: I'm sick of you people

That is pure, 100%-weapons-grade Flawless Victory right there.

/I got banned in your circlejerk thread, you inglorious zionist bastard!
//Two well-placed bullets. . .

I'm a catholic playing a jew disguised as an american concerned for the middle east.

Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

rastjr: So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

And you are assuming all 20,000 that die from gunshot wounds are "innocent." Granted, some may be, but I'd be willing to be many are involved in criminal activities when shot.

And to your question, yes, self-defense it is entirely worth it.

rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

I am no fan of guns, but that's about the stupidest anti-gun argument I've ever heard.

gulogulo: rastjr: So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

And you are assuming all 20,000 that die from gunshot wounds are "innocent." Granted, some may be, but I'd be willing to be many are involved in criminal activities when shot.

And to your question, yes, self-defense it is entirely worth it.

There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

wolvernova: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

I am no fan of guns, but that's about the stupidest anti-gun argument I've ever heard.

Instead of saying it is stupid why don't you offer a response. Are you afraid that I am right?

rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. My point was, that I think I understand the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment better than I ever had prior to the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, I think we've allowed politicians and certain lobbying organizations to bastardize the true intent of the Amendment. I generally agree with your statement re guns for hunting. And if Iranians had been afforded a constitutional right to keep even just one deer rifle or one shotgun (i.e., hunting arms), I suspect that the news would be a lot different today.

rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

rastjr: gulogulo: rastjr: So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

And you are assuming all 20,000 that die from gunshot wounds are "innocent." Granted, some may be, but I'd be willing to be many are involved in criminal activities when shot.

And to your question, yes, self-defense it is entirely worth it.

There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

The problem isn't the guns. And no, I am not a gun nut, but it is entirely worth it to me, and if you'd been paying attention, or understood anything about what happens to a populace when they are stripped of the right to defend themselves, you'd understand the importance of it.

Did not mean to turn this into a 2nd Amendment thing, but this kind of rhetoric is woefully misinformed. Or a troll trying to rile me up. I have a hard time believing anyone actually can come to that logical conclusion that gang violence = banning guns.

Simple XI: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. My point was, that I think I understand the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment better than I ever had prior to the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, I think we've allowed politicians and certain lobbying organizations to bastardize the true intent of the Amendment. I generally agree with your statement re guns for hunting. And if Iranians had been afforded a constitutional right to keep even just one deer rifle or one shotgun (i.e., hunting arms), I suspect that the news would be a lot different today.

Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Simple XI: Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me.

I hear ya, but if I were to 'gift' the Iranians with one of the Articles, it would be the First.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

rastjr: gulogulo: rastjr: So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

And you are assuming all 20,000 that die from gunshot wounds are "innocent." Granted, some may be, but I'd be willing to be many are involved in criminal activities when shot.

And to your question, yes, self-defense it is entirely worth it.

There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

So, by eliminating our right own firearms, you would add the deaths of those people who legally used their weapons in self-defense to those of the urban youth who were killed with illegally obtained guns, which they would have anyway, regardless of my rights?

You're a dumbass.

KellyX: rastjr: There might be a small percentage that use guns for self defense but that relativelly small number is not worth the large numbers of urban youth dying in the streets because of guns.

1. Criminals would get access to guns regardless
2. If they couldn't use guns, they'd use knives or other weapons
3. Crime among "urban youths" is a result of the environment they're raised in, probably a direct result of the "war on drugs"

They wouldn't get access if it was illegal. Any weapons other than guns would be better. I agree drugs should be legal.

Simple XI: Of course that's not what I'm saying. My point was, that I think I understand the intended purpose of the 2nd Amendment better than I ever had prior to the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, I think we've allowed politicians and certain lobbying organizations to bastardize the true intent of the Amendment. I generally agree with your statement re guns for hunting. And if Iranians had been afforded a constitutional right to keep even just one deer rifle or one shotgun (i.e., hunting arms), I suspect that the news would be a lot different today.

I live in a state that allows concealed carry, and personally never imagined I'd ever want a small hand gun on me, ever. That is, until I found myself in personal danger in a very remote place, and got out of it barely. As a woman, I wouldn't have had the stature to take the guy down, even with a knife. I should have a right to carry and defend myself against people like that.

Of course I'm a hunter and have a lovely shotgun, too, but that's not something you can get your hands on easily when in danger.

rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

Ok, it's a troll, folks. No one actually believes this.

Okay, gun nuts are on the loose.

/Thread over.

kiam: that_other_internet: iceberg theory: "There was no independent confirmation of the report."

so in basically this is a glorified twitter message, not a news article. yay for journalistic integrity!

Kinda par for the course in these threads.

I'm sick of you people constantly biatching about this. If you dont like it, either stay out of the thread, or go find a way to get some information and report on it according to your integrity standards. If you haven't noticed, there is a severe shortage of reporting from this area as most communications have been shut off. Our main stream media isnt even reporting on it any longer. So stop your farking biatching and either go away, or do something about it.


We are simply discussing all that is available to us from this region. Would you prefer that we follow the trend of the media and just ignore the fact that anything is happening simply because we dont have live television feeds and loads of reporters on the ground?

/You dont see it on TV so its not true, and unsubstantiated right?
//fark off already.

No I don't see its confirmed so its basically a junior high rumor. Why don't you stop biatching about what other people think?
that quote came from the article. the article is from a newspaper. i do not hold twitter to the same standards as a newspaper. this article is a complete joke, a major part of journalism is verifying sources. if you cant verify something dont print it. you dont just print whatever you feel like and then say your report cant be confirmed. thats pure grade a rumor mill crap.

did they actually hang people? i dont know. and seeing that this is just an unconfirmed rumor in an israeli newspaper i think ill remain skeptical.

there are unconfirmed reports that i sleep on a mattress made of gold and am serenaded an oiled up bikini clad megan fox everynight.

does it really happen? well its unconfirmed.

rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

I am no fan of guns, but that's about the stupidest anti-gun argument I've ever heard.

Instead of saying it is stupid why don't you offer a response. Are you afraid that I am right?

I didn't say you were stupid, just that your argument is. It's stupid first of all because you throw up the first statistic, then later conjunct it with "innocent lives". Learn how to use stats to SUPPORT your argument, not make it look weak.

Second, you sure don't care much about the intentions of our founding fathers and the right to be free if you hold the right to kill innocent animals above that of self-defense.

Again, I'm pretty anti-gun myself, but you're either a NRA plant or a confused hippie.

gulogulo: rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

Ok, it's a troll, folks. No one actually believes this.

I do. Sure I may have overstated it a little but guns would be much easier to ban then say drugs.

Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

When I get into "The Gun Argument" with people from other countries I remind them that our right to carry guns is not there so I can protet myself from other citizens but so that the citizens can protect themselves from the government. The guys who wrote the 2nd ammendment had just violently overthrown their govermnet and were starting the great American experiment. They had no idea if this new country would work out so the second ammendment was the for all intents and proposes the out clause, in case we needed to do it again.

Then they ussually get it.

/Doesn't own a gun
//Loves the 2nd Ammendment

wolvernova: innocent animals

You don't know what they've done.

At least they're guilty of tasting delicious.

rastjr: Maybe so. I think probably not though. Rifles against weapons of the state is not a fair fight. The Iranian revolution failed because the Iranian people saw that Israel and the U.S. wanted it to succeed. They hate Israel and the U.S. more than the crazy Aminadejanehd.

Okay, I take back what I said. You ARE a farking idiot. Jesus Christ, get the fark out of here.

1) it didn't "fail", what failed was the govt's attempt to hijack the elections and make the people swallow it, which they did NOT

2) they do NOT hate Israel and the US, and definitely don't dislike them more than Ahmadinejad. You do not know jack shiat about Iranians, so stop trying to project your made-up personification of them.

Fireproof: TappingTheVein: The iranian police chief now claims that Neda Sultan's death was staged.

The only surprising thing about this for me is that they didn't blame the jews for this yet.

Thus far I have heard them say:

- It was staged.

- It was an accident by either the police or Basij (surprisingly half-honest for this regime)

- She was killed by a CIA sniper, conveniently out of site and not captured or seen by anyone's camera, I suppose.

- And yes, that it was Israel's doing somehow.

/I guess they haven't learned to go with one story and stick to it as far as this incident is concerned

You forgot to add to the "it was staged" by a BBC reporter for a documentary. I loved that one.

wolvernova: rastjr: wolvernova: rastjr: Simple XI: HotWingConspiracy: Ugh. What's with the new 2nd Amendment retard spin on Iran?

When have these protesters indicated they want a civil war?

I personally can't chalk it all up to retard spin. Never before has the importance of the true intentions of the 2nd Amendment been so apparent to me. I'm not talking deer hunting with an AK-47 or home defense with a Waco-sized munitions cache. I'm talking about the right of the average citizen to be able to protect herself from tyranny. I'm embarrased that it has taken me 40 years to really understand the underlying purpose of such a controversial element of our Consitution (BoR's). But maybe that lends even more support to the legitimacy of Twitter's role. In 40 years, I've never before had the opportunity to lurk in an attempted revolution. Reading all of that helplessness in real time sure made me re-evaluate my personal rights and freedoms.

So, you are saying that 20,000 Americans dying from guns every year for decades is worth it just in case we may need to overthrow our government some time in the future?

I just don't think it makes sense to allow people to have guns except to hunt.

It's just not worth the cost in innocent human life.

I am no fan of guns, but that's about the stupidest anti-gun argument I've ever heard.

Instead of saying it is stupid why don't you offer a response. Are you afraid that I am right?

I didn't say you were stupid, just that your argument is. It's stupid first of all because you throw up the first statistic, then later conjunct it with "innocent lives". Learn how to use stats to SUPPORT your argument, not make it look weak.

Second, you sure don't care much about the intentions of our founding fathers and the right to be free if you hold the right to kill innocent animals above that of self-defense.

Again, I'm pretty anti-gun myself, but you're either a NRA plant or a confused hippie.

I'm more the hippie and definately not NRA. I hate those mofos and anyone that belongs to it.

Thanks for your reply. I've been seeking out debates instead of personal insults on Fark and it has been difficult because I'm a new guy.

gulogulo: rastjr: They wouldn't get access if it was illegal.

Ok, it's a troll, folks. No one actually believes this.

I don't think so. Just a full retard.

Glad to see there are still people discussing Iran. I've had to move outside FARK for most of my Iran info now. Checking twitter, iran.whyweprotest, etc.

Sea of Green!

BTW anybody have a troll list? (kidding)