The Sea of Green is ebbing right now, but in due time the tide will rise again.

MmmmBacon: The Sea of Green is ebbing right now, but in due time the tide will rise again.

Yeah, when the full moon of Amadouchbag's ass shows up again. He can't seem to resist it.

Ah, another thread where the "Bomb Iran" crowd acts like they care about these people.

Outrage. Grr

CayceP: Tatsuma: 30th of June

- The Intelligence Minister has declared that some arrested will not be released. The protesters arrested were divided in three groups:
▪ Those who participated and had a hand in the decision-making process regarding the unrest. They will remain under custody until a decision is made as to their fate, and whether they could receive the death penalty.
▪ The anti-revolutionary demonstrators who took advantage of the situation. They will not be freed.
▪ Those who were influenced by the atmosphere. They will be released, if they have not yet been released.
In reaction to the arrest of the British embassy members, the majority of the European Union's members will recall their ambassadors as early as this weekend.

I'm willing to bet that by 'three groups' they actually mean one, and will hang almost everyone.

No, influenced by the atmosphere means someone willing to kiss the ass of the government, provide names and addresses of friends, etc etc. Or possibly the rare case of some tourist wondering around the crowds...

HotWingConspiracy: Ah, another thread where the "Bomb Iran" crowd acts like they care about these people.

Outrage. Grr

Ah, another thread that has died down to the point that someone feels like they need to stoke the coals a little. And here I was, about to go get my comforter.

I used to care, until I'd realized we need to be protesting in THIS country.

I mean the USSA. Yes, I went there. All you people that think there's nothing wrong with communism, and swears obama isn't doing everything exactly like the commies are, know nothing about communism and dont give a shiat about anyone else but themselves.

I'm both an ex-commie and an ex-John Bircher (commies took THAT over too with silly distractions about flouride and UFOs to keep people off politics).

Not to threadjack, but to all the folks who cry that having a firearm doesn't help against tanks in the gun threads, I'd bet a lot of those poor Iranians wish that they had our level of access to weapons.

So they got a suspended sentence then?

Viss: I used to care, until I'd realized we need to be protesting in THIS country.

I mean the USSA. Yes, I went there.

Wow man, that's edgy.

All you people that think there's nothing wrong with communism, and swears obama isn't doing everything exactly like the commies are, know nothing about communism and dont give a shiat about anyone else but themselves.

Yeah. Commies. Good luck with that.

BTW, not giving a shiat about anyone else but yourself is a huge advantage in a capitalist system.

Lawful_Evil_Paladin: I don't know what is worse, the fact that due to decades of mangled foreign policy we are completely unable to provide any meaningful aid, or that we as a nation are perfectly content to watch another Iran slowly tear itself apart. I guess the only consolation is that if we don't act in this situation whatever comes out in the end won't be tainted by western interests.

Yeah, completely blame us for our bad relationship with Iran. It isn't like they are an evil, authoritarian government.

Hotwingconspiracy:

Sorry, but I dont have the capacity nor the personal constitution to give a ^#%$ about more than a few people outside my family.

Do you?

Did you cry when Billy Mays died?

I'm not evil for not giving a crap about some idiot yelling at me to buy his crap on TV.

Besides, this isnt a capitalist country any more. GM. 'nuff said.

Lawful_Evil_Paladin: I don't know what is worse, the fact that due to decades of mangled foreign policy we are completely unable to provide any meaningful aid, or that we as a nation are perfectly content to watch another Iran slowly tear itself apart. I guess the only consolation is that if we don't act in this situation whatever comes out in the end won't be tainted by western interests.

What country is providing meaningful aid?

What country has such a great relationship with Iran that they can provide meaningful aid?

Viss: Hotwingconspiracy:

Sorry, but I dont have the capacity nor the personal constitution to give a ^#%$ about more than a few people outside my family.

Do you?

Did you cry when Billy Mays died?

I'm not evil for not giving a crap about some idiot yelling at me to buy his crap on TV.

Besides, this isnt a capitalist country any more. GM. 'nuff said.

Then what was the point of saying Communists only care...you know what, forget I said anything.

I'm going to bed. Goodnight everyone.

Hmmm, brutal oppression of the people of Iran. That worked out well for the Shah too, didn't it?

Viss: Hotwingconspiracy:

Sorry, but I dont have the capacity nor the personal constitution to give a ^#%$ about more than a few people outside my family.

So by your own standard you're a communist. Ok.

Do you?

Yes.

Did you cry when Billy Mays died?

No, I built a small shrine out of Mighty Putty.

I'm not evil for not giving a crap about some idiot yelling at me to buy his crap on TV.

Ok.

Besides, this isnt a capitalist country any more. GM. 'nuff said.

Well yes, I suppose if you want to ignore all the countless other private businesses in America your point could stand.

FarknGroovn: Hmmm, brutal oppression of the people of Iran. That worked out well for the Shah too, didn't it?

Yes, but to their mind (A-jad, Khamenei, and the current Iranian gov't), it's OK because they're the good guys. They're devout Shi'a Muslims and not backed by the US and Britain like the Shah was.

ruthlessliberal: HotWingConspiracy: Besides, this isnt a capitalist country any more. GM. 'nuff said.

lern 2 quote

This makes me sad.

luckyeddie: So they got a suspended sentence then?

Zing!
The legal system left them hanging in limbo.

But what about the Neverland memorial for Jacko? Let's get our priorities straight here people. Are you not (mostly) Americans? Why care about the brown sand people?

this is why i say we should have invaded.

Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.

Nick Nostril: Why care about the brown sand people?

Wouldn't have to if the UK hadn't been caring a whole lot about them through the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.

Xionicist:

But not unwilling to resist, even if no-one hears about it. Ten days ago I got word (and a link to some photographs) from a source in China reporting unrest in Hubei province, to which the Chinese government had apparently responded in typical fashion by shutting down the Internet and sending in the troops. In comparison to what we've seen come out of Iran lately, the photos are relatively tame (though there's a nice batch of wreckage in the streets halfway down the page). Now, I've seen some modest reporting on this situation since then, but certainly not via mainstream American news. That doesn't mean that the unrest hasn't happened, that 10,000 people didn't protest, or burn police cars (according to my source) and break stuff, and it doesn't mean that China doesn't experience other, similar incidents with some frequency, it just means that the average American hasn't heard about it, and that the Chinese government has been relatively successful in keeping Chinese people from drumming up support for such protests via the Internet.

[snip]...

/nice to see this info appearing here and there on the net
//someday china will be free

FarknGroovn: Hmmm, brutal oppression of the people of Iran. That worked out well for the Shah too, didn't it?

Brutal opression is only wrong if the west is involved.

AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.



Nothing odd about Neo-Con fetishes. Or at least I've been acclimated at this point -- that's kinda scary.

DarnoKonrad: AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.



Nothing odd about Neo-Con fetishes. Or at least I've been acclimated at this point -- that's kinda scary.


I'll take that as a non answer.

AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.

Well, there was one official about Honduras, and we discussed it in a second one unofficially.

Also, unlike Iran, the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...

AstroCreep_KY: DarnoKonrad: AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.



Nothing odd about Neo-Con fetishes. Or at least I've been acclimated at this point -- that's kinda scary.


I'll take that as a non answer.



Okay. All the concern is about a particular region of the world that has large reserves of dinosaur wine. Neo-Cons in their infinite wisdom, prefer Freedom Wine^TM to regular old wine.

Honduras doens't have shiat but brown people and bananas. And Freedom Bananas^TM have been good since Dole freedomized the shiat out of tropical fruit market in the last century.

AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.

O RLY? ^{(^)}

liam76: FarknGroovn: Hmmm, brutal oppression of the people of Iran. That worked out well for the Shah too, didn't it?

Brutal opression is only wrong if the west is involved.

Yeah, apparently in that their world violence is just fine, as long as it is perpetrated by other Muslims. It's the Middle Eastern equilvalent of using the n-word.

/Hates the N-Word
//Hates Iranian domestic policy even more

Tatsuma: the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...shiatting on the constitution and installing a dictator militarily elected president is not Democracy.

DarnoKonrad: Wouldn't have to if the UK hadn't been caring a whole lot about them through the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries.

I love it when liberals quote right-wing apologetics.

But we only have a Global empire because they had a global empire. We're a force for good, donchaknow!

I'm sure Panama and Nicaragua will be happy to learn that the US was so caring to them only because of the lack of care provided by the British in previous centuries.

I'm a little late to this thread, so this might get buried... but I've been harping on the whole Red Cross/Red Crescent thing long enough for you guys to get tired of it, I'm sure.

But!

I have a little more information, and it's bothering me a bit.

First of all, for those who missed it, the American Red Cross released a statement saying that donations will not be sent to Red Crescent Iran. Nothing at all will get there. I don't understand why they're saying this now, when just a few days ago I was told that money would get to Iran... but there it is and I'm sorry that I gave out bad information. Some of you donated money in good faith, and my next job is to find out what will be done with that money. Maybe it can be refunded? I am so sorry.

The link for the statement is here: http://redcrosschat.org/2009/06/29/clarification-on-situation-in-iran/

Part of that statement is a quote from the Red Crescent -

"The Iranian government's Emergency Center of the Ministry of Health is responsible for treating people who have been injured or affected by the emerging situation in Iran following the recent general elections. The Iranian Red Crescent is not involved in the response but has supplied the Emergency Center, based on their request, with ambulances to be put under the government's authority."

The thing that's been bugging me is the part about the government being responsible for the treatment of the protesters. I wonder if the corruption and cruelty has filtered down to the Ministry of Health, and what kind of care the injured are getting.

I don't know enough about how the system is set up in Iran, and there's nothing I can do about it in any case, but I'm a worrier.

All the information I have on the subject can be found at http://generalkaty.blogspot.com/

There's also a bit about another charity, Avaaz.org, which was co-founded by MoveOn.org (so at least it's a known entity) and referenced by Nico Pitney of HuffPo. Have any of you checked this one out? Are they worthwhile? They seem legit to me, but I don't want to urge people to donate unless I am 100% sure the money will go where it's supposed to.

Again, I am so sorry.

Tatsuma: AstroCreep_KY: Something odd about the fact that this makes the brazillionth Iranian election green-light and yet not one regarding Honduras, that I've see at least.

Well, there was one official about Honduras, and we discussed it in a second one unofficially.

Also, unlike Iran, the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...

I'm not trying to morph this thread, so this will be it on the issue from me, but there's been nothing on the main page about it and while I admit it's a secondary story to Iran it should be bigger news than it is considering so many are coming down on the wrong side of the issue.

Tatsuma: Occam's Chainsaw: Why has no one given A-jad an acute case of lead poisoning yet?

I think the solution is a Mussolini extra-strength, frankly.

They'd just be wasting their time. If they were going to do it, they would need to do it to the whole supreme council. A-jad is just a low level bagman. He's the chump in the front, not the mack in the back.

AstroCreep_KY: while I admit it's a secondary story to Iran it should be bigger news than it is considering so many are coming down on the wrong side of the issue.

Agreed. I must say I'm puzzled by the international reaction as well, but let's stay focused on Iran, we get so few greenlights nowadays.

Goodfella: They'd just be wasting their time. If they were going to do it, they would need to do it to the whole supreme council. A-jad is just a low level bagman. He's the chump in the front, not the mack in the back.

Oh, trust me, I recommend that for any case of severe Khamenei, and anywhere similar symptoms might develop.

DarnoKonrad: Tatsuma: the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...shiatting on the constitution and installing a dictator militarily elected president is not Democracy.

Democracy doesn't mean the presidnet can dop what he wants.

The congress, the Supreme court and the Attorney General, not just the military approve of the new president.

And Obama remains silent... yet very vocal about the supreme court of another country removing a law breaking president. Clueless

liam76: DarnoKonrad: Tatsuma: the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...shiatting on the constitution and installing a dictator militarily elected president is not Democracy.

Democracy doesn't mean the presidnet can dop what he wants.

The congress, the Supreme court and the Attorney General, not just the military approve of the new president.

Oh yeah, and what he did (try to change constitution so he could get re-elected) directly violated the constitution, which states anyone doing so should be immediately removed from office.

<b>Tatsuma</b>: the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...shiatting on the constitution and installing a dictator militarily elected president is not Democracy.

Tatsuma: the pro-Democracy forces in Honduras have already won...shiatting on the constitution and installing a dictator militarily elected president is not Democracy.

Normally i agree with Tats but he is obviously smoking his breakfast today.

Viss: Hotwingconspiracy:

Sorry, but I dont have the capacity nor the personal constitution to give a ^#%$ about more than a few people outside my family.

Do you?

Did you cry when Billy Mays died?

I'm not evil for not giving a crap about some idiot yelling at me to buy his crap on TV.

Besides, this isnt a capitalist country any more. GM. 'nuff said.

I think he was pointing out that you're a hypocrite. This country has always been a mix of capitalism/socialism. Always will be. We haven't quite reached the level we had with FDR, will we? do we need to? I don't know. Unfettered capitalism is not the answer, complete socialism is not the answer. No *one* on the left is preaching complete socialism. The warrhgbrl screed from the right declaring everything as slide towards complete communism/socialism, provides absolutely nothing to the debate. So stop, make rational points argue from facts offer alternatives. Do something productive, or shut up.

Joe Blowme: And Obama remains silent... yet very vocal about the supreme court of another country removing a law breaking president. Clueless

Why can't people understand that the best thing we can do, officially, is STFU.

You think him saying anything is actually going to do ANY GOOD?

Joe Blowme: Normally i agree with Tats but he is obviously smoking his breakfast today.

Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution

"The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function."

/via babbelfish, spanish source here http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

By proposing a referendum which might allow him to run for president again he violated the constitution.

Screw them; they can only blame them selves.

liam76: Oh yeah, and what he did (try to change constitution so he could get re-elected) directly violated the constitution, which states anyone doing so should be immediately removed from office.

and he was going to be let off the hook for it, he was merely told to stop his plans and not to go ahead by the Supreme Court, that it was illegal and that's it.

Yet he decided to go ahead and violate the Honduran constitution so he could install himself as a Chavez-style leader over Honduras. So the Supreme Court, as well as the leaders of all parties in Congress, decided to take action and remove him from power, and a near-absolute majority voted that way in Congress the next day as well.

The man installed to replace him is the one who is set to replace the President if something happens to him, based on the Constitution of Honduras.

It's a triumph for Democracy, especially Democracies in South/Central America, where the climate is much more fickle for them.

liam76:

The congress, the Supreme court and the Attorney General, not just the military approve of the new president.



They should have used the rule of law. This was nothing but coup.

liam76: Joe Blowme: Normally i agree with Tats but he is obviously smoking his breakfast today.

Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution

"The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function."

/via babbelfish, spanish source here http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

By proposing a referendum which might allow him to run for president again he violated the constitution.

And now he is paying the price i cant believe the US would not support the rule of law... opps sorry forgot we have chicago politician in the white house, maybe they should have said the unions forced him out.