Gee a Republican lying about what the Democrats 'promised. How typical.

And why does Newsmax care? Isn't Jesus going to come back and make it all better?

If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

There's always going to be unemployment, subby. Other than scraping dead animals off the road what could someone like you be hired for ?

Just as an example

I bought a couple of decks of those Iraqi playing cards from Newsmax back in the day and they put me on their print mag's mailing list. A friend once put me on the Weekly Worker mailing list. I got both for about a year each.

Except for occasional amusement value, they were pretty much equal in their unreadabilty.

four comments and it says "clicked 1 time"........

methinks something is a bit off somewhere... hehe

/meanwhile, four for four spot on!

Jobs are plentiful, if you're not a republican. You'd think the the Newsmax crew would have figured that out by now.

submitter: Dems promised unemployment would not rise above 8 percent if their trillion-dollar stimulus was passed

I actually clicked the link to see if there was proof of that statement. All I found was Boenher claiming that. But no quotes from a top Dem actually saying that, and I don't recall any of them ever saying that. Nice strawman.

Hau Ruck: Jobs are plentiful, if you're not a republican. You'd think the the Newsmax crew would have figured that out by now.

Republicans are un-hireable (is that a word?) now. I wouldn't trust one with anything, especially if I owned a business.

And when I want news, I go to NewsMax and Freeperville.

ecmoRandomNumbers: Hau Ruck: Jobs are plentiful, if you're not a republican. You'd think the the Newsmax crew would have figured that out by now.

Republicans are un-hireable (is that a word?) now. I wouldn't trust one with anything, especially if I owned a business.

Not even a broom or toilet brush?

Hau Ruck: ecmoRandomNumbers: Hau Ruck: Jobs are plentiful, if you're not a republican. You'd think the the Newsmax crew would have figured that out by now.

Republicans are un-hireable (is that a word?) now. I wouldn't trust one with anything, especially if I owned a business.

Not even a broom or toilet brush?

Yeah, that's all we need: another Republican sex scandal.

Newsflash: employment figures are a lagging indicator.

Keep trying, Republicans. Every day brings a new level of stupid for thinking people to laugh at.

propasaurus: Hau Ruck: ecmoRandomNumbers: Hau Ruck: Jobs are plentiful, if you're not a republican. You'd think the the Newsmax crew would have figured that out by now.

Republicans are un-hireable (is that a word?) now. I wouldn't trust one with anything, especially if I owned a business.

Not even a broom or toilet brush?

Yeah, that's all we need: another Republican sex scandal.

In their defense, they have been trying. With women, for once.

Dinki: Gee a Republican lying about what the Democrats 'promised. How typical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090622/pl_nm/us_obama_unemployment

I find it very amusing to watch Republidouches wallow in misery as their belief in the beauty of unregulated markets is destroyed before their eyes.

They can't actually face reality because their entire worldview would come crashing down.

Your tears are yummy.

Hau Ruck: In their defense, they have been trying. With women, for once.

Yeah, but they're outsourcing for those.

RobertBruce: Dinki: Gee a Republican lying about what the Democrats 'promised. How typical.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090622/pl_nm/us_obama_unemployment

what was that supposed to prove? that their earlier estimates were off? Nowhere does that say anyone "promised" it wouldn't go above 8%

The administration predicted it to peak around 8 but never promised it wouldn't exceed it. They have stated things were worse than they first thought. You want to try to imply they were being intentionally devious and misleading go ahead. but saying they "promised" it wouldn't go above 8 IS intentionally misleading.

The administration put us over a trillion dollars in debt by claiming that the money would help stem the rising unemployment numbers.
The money was spent and we are now around two points higher than the government expected we would be at this time. Those are the facts that we are dealing with.

This is not about blaming one side or the other for where we are now. This is about recognizing where we are now and figuring out what to do about it.

What is becoming clear is the stimulus did not work as it was supposed to. We are well into the prime building season and things are worse than they were last year. When winter comes the unemployment numbers will go even higher.

We need to figure out where we go from here.
I would have loved to see government money go towards reinventing the railroad system, upgrading the electrical grid (nuclear power) and investing in other infrastructure improvements. These are tangible improvements that will still be around when our children are grown.

Donald_McRonald: And why does Newsmax care? Isn't Jesus going to come back and make it all better?

I don't think the Republicans are excited about the return of Jesus after learning that it's unlikely he will subcontract out the rapture and allow cost overruns.

Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

Typical answer of a blind defender. And you KNOW this how?

I presume you are clairvoyant? The intellectually honest answer is you don't know. None of us know the answer to that. It is impossible to know with certainty what would have happened if you went another path. Since you didn't take that path, you'll never know, nor can you speculate with any certainty.

The true answer is the stimulus was passed and unemployment is still up. Had it not been passed, there are a million different factors that might have came into play which could have made the situation better, worse, or no different. Since none of those factors played out, we'll never know.

From: The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan

/see page 4

Results are for ninnies, what matters most is that Obama cares. So what if policies don't work? As long as someone else is paying for the solution to whatever the problem is, I'm good with it. Cheney caused the whole mess in the first place. Liars! He and bush lied, unlike Clinton.

Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

I too am curious how you know this.

hej: Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

I too am curious how you know this.

The same way subby knows the Dems promised unemployment wouldn't exceed %8 if the stimulus bill didn't pass.

Now STFU and GBTW.

remus: Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

Typical answer of a blind defender. And you KNOW this how?

I presume you are clairvoyant? The intellectually honest answer is you don't know. None of us know the answer to that. It is impossible to know with certainty what would have happened if you went another path. Since you didn't take that path, you'll never know, nor can you speculate with any certainty.

The true answer is the stimulus was passed and unemployment is still up. Had it not been passed, there are a million different factors that might have came into play which could have made the situation better, worse, or no different. Since none of those factors played out, we'll never know.

That is farking ridiculous. It is possible to make logical conclusions based on a reasonable assessment of data.

I was driving my car toward a cliff when I turned around and drove back the way I came. Would I have driven off the cliff had I not made my course correction? It is intellectually honest to say "yes". I have enough information to make an intelligent evaluation. Maybe my engine would have fallen out. Maybe the hand of God would have come down and stopped me. Since I didn't take that path, I'll never know. But I CAN speculate with some certainty.

Russad: That is farking ridiculous. It is possible to make logical conclusions based on a reasonable assessment of data.

I was driving my car toward a cliff when I turned around and drove back the way I came. Would I have driven off the cliff had I not made my course correction? It is intellectually honest to say "yes". I have enough information to make an intelligent evaluation. Maybe my engine would have fallen out. Maybe the hand of God would have come down and stopped me. Since I didn't take that path, I'll never know. But I CAN speculate with some certainty.

Oh come on, you knew what I meant. You purposely constructed a scenario with an obvious conclusion. In this case, there are plenty of factors that may or may not have happened if the stimulus would not have been passed. There is no way to know the resulting unemployment figures if the stimulus would not have been passed with any certainty. It clearly may have been more, but it may not have changed at all from what did happen. Although seemingly not likely, it might have even been less somehow.

Dinki: Gee a Republican lying about what the Democrats 'promised. How typical.

Over in one.

The answer is obvious. Obama needs to pump several more trillion dollars into the economy or it will only get worse. Start cranking up the printing presses at Treasury, Timmuh!

Given that the financial stability of the US has had a foundation of debt financed Reaganomics for the last 30 years that is just now catching up to us, 8% seems like a pretty tall order. Americans have to understand they have deep seeded problems resultant from an era of cheap energy and easily borrowed capital. This country hasn't "created" nearly as much wealth as it has accepted its redistribution from Saint Elsewhere.

I'm personally thinking 20-30% as America trims back on all the truly extraneous services (dog washers) and occupations dependent on free flowing capital. The sprawling soon to be abandoned leased bays and mini malls across America look to be dropping off a slow cliff.

Survivability will be based largely on local markets. We cannot depend on Wall Street which has become ripe with corruption and outright thievery. Accessibility to jobs, median home price, municipal debt... With the auto industry still shaking out, its not clear how many more people are going to become unemployed over the next 4 years.

remus: Russad: That is farking ridiculous. It is possible to make logical conclusions based on a reasonable assessment of data.

I was driving my car toward a cliff when I turned around and drove back the way I came. Would I have driven off the cliff had I not made my course correction? It is intellectually honest to say "yes". I have enough information to make an intelligent evaluation. Maybe my engine would have fallen out. Maybe the hand of God would have come down and stopped me. Since I didn't take that path, I'll never know. But I CAN speculate with some certainty.

Oh come on, you knew what I meant. You purposely constructed a scenario with an obvious conclusion. In this case, there are plenty of factors that may or may not have happened if the stimulus would not have been passed. There is no way to know the resulting unemployment figures if the stimulus would not have been passed with any certainty. It clearly may have been more, but it may not have changed at all from what did happen. Although seemingly not likely, it might have even been less somehow.

No, there's no way to know anything. But it is reasonable to make evaluations. There is nothing "intellectually dishonest" in assessing data.

Actually something closer to 15%.

Browncoat: The answer is obvious. Obama needs to pump several more trillion dollars into the economy or it will only get worse. Start cranking up the printing presses at Treasury, Timmuh!

Reminds me of a joke my father made about about the old practice of bloodletting.

"This patient is fading fast. Quick, slit his wrists!"

not really intrested in r/t/f/a
Didnt bush start pushing the stimulus bill?

We need to get those Dems out of office and get back the Repubs who really know how to run an economy (into the ground).
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BusinessWeek - Bush created virtually no jobs

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2009/06/a_lost _ decade_f.html

From the article -

Between May 1999 and May 2009, employment in the private sector sector only rose by 1.1%, by far the lowest 10-year increase in the post-depression period.
It's impossible to overstate how bad this is. Basically speaking, the private sector job machine has almost completely stalled over the past ten years. Take a look at this chart:
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Economy Made Few Gains in Bush Years
Eight-Year Period Is Weakest in Decades

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009
/01/11/AR2009011102301.html

From the article -

President Bush has presided over the weakest eight-year span for the U.S. economy in decades, according to an analysis of key data, and economists across the ideological spectrum increasingly view his two terms as a time of little progress on the nation's thorniest fiscal challenges.

Nucleus: Given that the financial stability of the US has had a foundation of debt financed Reaganomics for the last 30 years that is just now catching up to us, 8% seems like a pretty tall order

If only the Democrats had controlled the Congress between 1981 & 2009 a majority of the time and managed the power of the purse, we wouldn't have so much debt.

Did you Cons really think this guy was creating wealth?

Russad: No, there's no way to know anything. But it is reasonable to make evaluations. There is nothing "intellectually dishonest" in assessing data.

Look to the original statement that prompted my reply above: Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

He wasn't "making evaluations". He was stating an outcome that he can't back up.

It's not news, it's... NewsMax.

Bob16: Bush created virtually no jobs

The only way that the President can 'create' jobs is via forced labor - i.e. the Draft or Income Tax Compliance.

The trillion dollars that B. Hussein Obama and Nancy Pelosi printed (African/Mugabe style) was to buy democrat votes and nothing more. It wasn't about 'creating' anything any more than Friday's HISTORIC tax increase was about changing the weather.

Liberals are prancing and dancing this country straight to hell.

OMFG!! Socialism has failed!!

I for one blame it on the National Organization of Women, for taking a fairly simple economic recovery plan, and then diverting the money into the few fields where it will create pure inflation, instead of any meaningful employment.

CitizenTed Quote 2009-06-28 01:48:34 AM
Newsflash: employment figures are a lagging indicator.

Keep trying, Republicans. Every day brings a new level of stupid for thinking people to laugh at.


Newsflash: Republicans aren't concerned about what thinking people think, only what riles the masses.

Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.


Please show your work.


Nhojwolfe: Didnt bush start pushing the stimulus bill?

Yeah. Last February. Didn't work then either did it? But let's not let that stop us from pissing another trillion or so down the rathole.

The young people of today had the great misfortune of being born to some of the worst parents ever.

Making sure that your kids can make a decent living is probably the most basic responsibility in parenting. Youth unemployment has been bad since about 2001 so there has been plenty of time to fix this problem.

And it's not just a matter of the parents not doing anything about this. The parents aren't even talking about doing anything about this.

Even an animal will defend it's young when threatened.

Alacritous: If the government had done nothing at the outset, unemployment would be up around 20-25% right about now. So count your blessings.

Far more likely: regardless of government action its a tad too early to tell. Look notice how in the good projection even after the stimulus it continues to increase? Thats because it takes time to 1.) Spend the money and 2.) Have the money spread throughout the economy.

Depending on the MPC and on the speed of money the government spending will have an affect several times the initial expenditure, but it takes time for it to do so.

soy_bomb: From: The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan

/see page 4

Are you REALLY posting that bullshiat graph?? My God.

Bob16: The young people of today had the great misfortune of being born to some of the worst parents ever.

Making sure that your kids can make a decent living is probably the most basic responsibility in parenting. Youth unemployment has been bad since about 2001 so there has been plenty of time to fix this problem.

And it's not just a matter of the parents not doing anything about this. The parents aren't even talking about doing anything about this.

Even an animal will defend it's young when threatened.

And what jobs would you recommend kids get into to make a decent living? Today?