Holy instagreen, batman!

No. You cannot hold people indefinitely.
Charge them with the evidence you have, or release them.

CWCBI^TM

This is why I've hated it from the beginning. Not because the first guy did it, but because the next 3 dumbasses would think they have precedent.

*reads TFA*

Yeah, well, what the fark did I tell you Republican assholes back when you were giving the President and Federal government sweeping and unprecedented powers? I railed and railed about how it was a bad idea, and all I got in return was labeled a "RINO" and a traitor. Did you really believe all that "permanent majority" bullshiat? Obviously you did; well, get ready to have lots of fun with that.

This is farking ridiculous. Obama, you have literally millions of campaign donors who supported you in every way possible with the explicit assurance that this kind of bullshiat would end. I, for one, do not give a crap that you're black or whatever - I donated to you and voted for you because I was led to believe that you were a principled Constitutional scholar with an instinctive reflex for what was right and wrong. I can only reason at this point that I have been deceived.

You_crackers_thought_you_were_getting_change.jpg

xxysyndrome: This is farking ridiculous. Obama, you have literally millions of campaign donors who supported you in every way possible with the explicit assurance that this kind of bullshiat would end. I, for one, do not give a crap that you're black or whatever - I donated to you and voted for you because I was led to believe that you were a principled Constitutional scholar with an instinctive reflex for what was right and wrong. I can only reason at this point that I have been deceived.

Cool instapost, bro.

We're not even 6 months in people. Chill.

ragekage: *reads TFA*

Yeah, well, what the fark did I tell you Republican assholes back when you were giving the President and Federal government sweeping and unprecedented powers? I railed and railed about how it was a bad idea, and all I got in return was labeled a "RINO" and a traitor. Did you really believe all that "permanent majority" bullshiat? Obviously you did; well, get ready to have lots of fun with that.

What is a RINO?


I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

ragekage: *snip*

Cool story, bro.

liam76: What is a RINO?

Republican in Name Only

John Dewey: We're not even 6 months in people. Chill.

We're not even a year in people. Chill.
We're not even halfway through his term yet, people. Chill.
We're not even done with his first term, people. Obama wants to take care of the "important" stuff first. Chill.

How long do we have to wait?

Trollair

He's cleaning up Gitmo. Detractors say too fast. But crucify him for having to extend the detentions.

Short story: more butthurt.

liam76: I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

Its not his fault, they made him do it.

somehow.

liam76: What is a RINO?

Someone who calls themselves a Republican but doesn't actually follow any of the party platforms. Kinda like how Lieberman was a DINO before he became "Independent".

How 'bout those Democrats, those paragons of virtue. What about that filibuster-proof majority? I thought that getting a lead-pipe lock on government would ensure that the abuses of the Republicans would not be repeated, that the Democrats would make things right.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Impeach.

We wanted Bush our for the same reasons. Impeach.

John Dewey: We're not even 6 months in people. Chill.

Weak.

You would think people would have stopped being surprised by Obama after he continued with Bush era economic policy.

Meh, Due Process is just an antiiquated vestige of a different era. Like private health care, Public Education, and the electoral College. Just put EVERYONE in jail until they can prove they are innocent an dthen we would all be safe and sound.

Control_this: He's cleaning up Gitmo. Detractors say too fast. But crucify him for having to extend the detentions.

His detractors lost the White House, the Senate, and the House because people were fed up with them. Boo farking hoo. The Republicans didn't give a shiat about compromise or detractors when they steamrolled the Patriot Act and other crap through, why should we be the only ones playing nice?

smooshie: How long do we have to wait?

2 years. That's when my patience runs out. At the end of 2 years his political capital from the election will have been spent on healthcare and energy. Also, we'll have had his international crisis. At that point either the economy will have stagnated or be obviously recovering. 2 year in, he'll either have nothing to lose or it won't matter because he'll be at 65% or better. Then it will be time to get rid of DADT, extend gay benefits and take care of this Gitmo shiat, if it hasn't already been done.

/this doesn't mean I haven't been making my voice heard on these issues and that I'm not disappointed

xxysyndrome: This is farking ridiculous. Obama, you have literally millions of campaign donors who supported you in every way possible with the explicit assurance that this kind of bullshiat would end. I, for one, do not give a crap that you're black or whatever - I donated to you and voted for you because I was led to believe that you were a principled Constitutional scholar with an instinctive reflex for what was right and wrong. I can only reason at this point that I have been deceived.

I too admit to feeling as though my hopes for Washington and the world have been effectually dashed against the rocks. I didn't expect sudden change or miracles, but even pretending to stand behind the principles defended during his campaign would be nice.

It's to a degree now that I think the only reason why I'm proud of my vote is that it kept Palin out of the White House-- but that's about it.

Spanky_McFarksalot: liam76: I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

Its not his fault, they made him do it.

somehow.

They're responsible for the illegal detentions and torture that led to this situation, that's for sure. Yeah, blame Obama for having to clean up the unholy mess they left.

JerseyTim: Impeach.

Chimpeach.

smooshie: liam76: What is a RINO?

Someone who calls themselves a Republican but doesn't actually follow any of the party platforms. Kinda like how Lieberman was a DINO before he became "Independent".

Hey, buddy, really- fark you. Shouldda figured that's the kind of attitude you'd get from a Hokie.

I thought that the PATRIOT Act was a horrible idea, that NCLB, DHS, and Medicare D were complete boondoggles that did nothing but hugely increase the size and scope of the Federal government; and watched as we slid further and further into debt after enacting a massive tax cut with zero cuts in spending- indeed, only huge increases.

I guess you're right, though- there is no way me thinking those were bad has any real bearing on what the Republican party stands for- small government, individual liberty? Heh, those values are so far from the Republican party platform you couldn't see it with the Hubble. So, come to think of it, I guess I really was a RINO. Go figure.

smooshie: How long do we have to wait?

I can only assume we should wait until he issues the executive order that actually does this. I mean, unless you are up for raging over things that haven't happened yet.

superlawyergirl: It's to a degree now that I think the only reason why I'm proud of my vote is that it kept Palin out of the White House-- but that's about it.

This. The only major thing I've been happy with Obama for is his pick of Sotomayor. But he's still light years ahead of Mr. Bomb Iran.

Edsel: Spanky_McFarksalot: liam76: I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

Its not his fault, they made him do it.

somehow.

They're responsible for the illegal detentions and torture that led to this situation, that's for sure. Yeah, blame Obama for having to clean up the unholy mess they left.

Obama has it in his hands to do whatever he wants to, what with the filibuster-proof majority and the near-universal support of pretty much everybody on Earth to hear you guys say it), yet he's putting the kibosh on it himself via executive order?

You must be joking. He takes the hit this time, not the Republicans.

smooshie: Control_this: He's cleaning up Gitmo. Detractors say too fast. But crucify him for having to extend the detentions.

His detractors lost the White House, the Senate, and the House because people were fed up with them. Boo farking hoo. The Republicans didn't give a shiat about compromise or detractors when they steamrolled the Patriot Act and other crap through, why should we be the only ones playing nice?

That's disingenuous, many Dems voted for the Patriot Act out of political concerns. In fact, most of the Bush Era outrages passed prior to 2006 had Democratic support in the Congress and Senate.
He was actually pretty popular early on, after 911, remember? Can't for the life of me understand why he was, but he was.

ragekage: I guess you're right, though- there is no way me thinking those were bad has any real bearing on what the Republican party stands for- small government, individual liberty? Heh, those values are so far from the Republican party platform you couldn't see it with the Hubble. So, come to think of it, I guess I really was a RINO. Go figure.

Um, I don't agree with the current Republican platform, I'd be quite happy to see it changed to one that actually (not just in name) values small government. Just saying what the term RINO refers to.

bulldg4life: I can only assume we should wait until he issues the executive order that actually does this. I mean, unless you are up for raging over things that haven't happened yet.

Even if he issues it, it doesn't mean he's going to have to use it. It simply sets up that parameter to extend it. Yes, I realize it means he probably will because it allows him to delay it longer, but let's also take a look at Congress who isn't helping him a whole lot on this.

Executive order, Meh. Signing statements, now that is an abuse of power I can get behind

smooshie: ragekage: I guess you're right, though- there is no way me thinking those were bad has any real bearing on what the Republican party stands for- small government, individual liberty? Heh, those values are so far from the Republican party platform you couldn't see it with the Hubble. So, come to think of it, I guess I really was a RINO. Go figure.

Um, I don't agree with the current Republican platform, I'd be quite happy to see it changed to one that actually (not just in name) values small government. Just saying what the term RINO refers to.

Yeah, but you're still a Hokie.

John Dewey: Even if he issues it, it doesn't mean he's going to have to use it. It simply sets up that parameter to extend it. Yes, I realize it means he probably will because it allows him to delay it longer, but let's also take a look at Congress who isn't helping him a whole lot on this.

I'm pretty sure everything is automatically his fault.

Looks to me like Obama is just leaving the Repubs in congress just enough of their Jack Bauer 24 fantasies to hang on to so he can get the votes he needs to close Gitmo.

Leaving long term detention in the hands of the executive branch means no one else gets to use (abuse) it, and it can be rescinded.

tvfixer: Executive order, Meh. Signing statements, now that is an abuse of power I can get behind

Heh. This is actually something I thought about yesterday when I first read this, the fact that the two words "executive order" now have such a negative connotation thanks to W.

Three cheers for President Look-Before-You-Leap!

bulldg4life: I'm pretty sure everything is automatically his fault.

Can't wait for hurricane season.

So what we know is that there are people in the administration who favor this, and have decided to go so far as to plant this story in the WaPo to try and bolster their position.

It is sad that these sadistic anti-humans still exist, but not terribly surprising.

liam76: I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

Maybe it's because Bush caused this whole farking mess in the first place, and Obama is having a hell of a time cleaning it up.

"We cause the problems, and you fix them! That's the deal! And be quick about it, too!"

Obama advisers are concerned that ...weaker footing before the courts and anger key supporters, the officials said.

Where is the discussion of morality? Where is the discussion of honour? How about justice? Why is the law the President's adversary in this situation? Why is marketing and sales getting equal consideration as the law?

White House spokesman Ben LaBolt said that there is no executive order and that the administration has not decided whether to issue one.

Oh, because the article is trolling.

John Dewey: We're not even 6 months in people. Chill.

Fark that. Stop making excuses for this idiot. He's doing precisely what he can get away with it. It was inexcusable from Bush. It's in excusable from Obama.

Lando Lincoln:

Maybe it's because Bush caused this whole farking mess in the first place, and Obama is having a hell of a time cleaning it up.

"We cause the problems, and you fix them! That's the deal! And be quick about it, too!"

Lando Lincoln: Maybe it's because Bush caused this whole farking mess in the first place, and Obama is having a hell of a time cleaning it up.

"We cause the problems, and you fix them! That's the deal! And be quick about it, too!"

Obama knew the situation in January, when he pledged to close Gitmo within a year. It was an unrealistic expectation then and it's an unrealistic expectation now. But Obama created the expectation - when it fails, it's not Bush's fault.

boat lift the detainees around the fence, and into Cuba. Payback.


Of course O would wring his hands and worry he might offend someone.

Use an executive order, don't be a chicken.

liam76: ragekage: *reads TFA*

Yeah, well, what the fark did I tell you Republican assholes back when you were giving the President and Federal government sweeping and unprecedented powers? I railed and railed about how it was a bad idea, and all I got in return was labeled a "RINO" and a traitor. Did you really believe all that "permanent majority" bullshiat? Obviously you did; well, get ready to have lots of fun with that.

What is a RINO?


I am surprised it took 5 replies before someone blamed this on Republicans instead of laying the blame on Obama.

Uh... Bush started this bullshiat, and all I ever heard from Republicans was a defense of Bush's right to do this.

I'm torn. On the one hand, I voted for Obama because he said he'd end this crap.

OTOH, now that my side's in power and near filibuster-proof, I'm not convinced that giving them a taste of their own medicine would be a bad idea.

Cinaed: No. You cannot hold people indefinitely.
Charge them with the evidence you have, or release them

Or shoot them.

// Try not to overlook EVERY option.
// Like putting them on the list for involuntary human medical testing of surgical techniques or pharmaceutical testing.