An op-ed from racist, totalitarian Bahrain. *yawn*

Paul Wolfowitz is the greatest American in history. George Washington would be humbled. This man spread DEMOCRACY, or something.

dkendr: An op-ed from racist, totalitarian Bahrain. *yawn*

Disparagement of an author doesn't make his analysis automatically invalid. How about responding to the actual article, or do you not have a response?

SurfaceTension: dkendr: An op-ed from racist, totalitarian Bahrain. *yawn*

Disparagement of an author doesn't make his analysis automatically invalid. How about responding to the actual article, or do you not have a response?

This. The editorial seems pretty spot-on to me. Wolfowitz is one of the leading advocates of one of the most disastrous foreign policies in American history.

If I were President, I'd consider hiring him as an adviser. I'd just listen to his advice and do exactly the opposite.

shut up Wolfowitz,you cock!

Wait- Paul Wolfowitz has killed over 4,000 Americans? Busy guy.

Here's is the author's website with what I assume is a rogues gallery at the top with Hitler and Saddam Xed out. It is, in a word, tendentious.

I do regard Wolfowitz with concentrated contempt.

I have no problem with raising the bar on what is considered a source worth paying attention to, it lends more weight to rejecting submissions from NewsMax or other useless crap.

And yes, I'll include Kos in there before any panties get bunched. if it makes anyone feel better I'll even reject a kos link when they directly cite responsible sources. Whatever.

Incidentally, "Here's is" is the way all the cool kids put it.

/my retardedness is contagious

In the end, though, I'd put the blame for the death of those 4,316 Americans solely on the shoulders of one George Walker Bush.

Wolfowitz is a yammering talking head, basically. The idiotic bullshiat he spews is harmless in and of itself. But put a credulous frat boy in the White House, and it gets someone willing to listen and put it into disastrous practice.

Funny. I've always found guys crow when their cock rises with the sun.

/ok, carry on with the serious discussion...

PNAC should be in jail. Every single one of those bastards who knowingly circumvented the CIA and State Department to manufacture "intelligence" for the invasion.

Why the hell are we only talking about dead Americans? What about the 200K-1M (depending on the source) Iraqis? Are American lives worth infinitely more? The ratio is 50:1 - 200-1.

That said, the body count is really misleading. They don't count those who have been evacuated to hospitals who die there. They don't count those who die at home. They don't count the enormous number of post-war suicides.

The cost of the war...irrespective of whomever is responsible...is far more than 4K soldiers dead. Immeasurably more.

/volunteers w/a returning-veterans group

dkendr: An op-ed from racist, totalitarian Bahrain. *yawn*

Do you really disagree that Wolfowitz is a giant cock?

Whenever a article from racist, totalitarian Bahrain has statements like: "Israel had him as its agent provocateur Paul Wolfowitz to justify occupation of Iraq as permanent protection against WMDs." I just zone out.

The entire region is quick to cook up these zionist theories, and those theories deliver a decisive coup de grace to just about anything the region might say/print.

A political figure being narcissistic

UNPOSSIBLE

"He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow"

A description which applies to just under 98% of Washington, DC.

You give these little hobgoblins any power they go napoleon in the blink of an eye. All those childhood weaknesses and insecurities manifest in profoundly imprudent judgement and a mean spiritedness the likes of which no human should possess let alone inflict on others.

Anyone who proposes or commits the imposition of their will on another person by force like this, on innocents or anyone not committing the same, is evil, no matter where they come from.

"He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow"

fixed

/ honorable mention to Hobodeluxe

What part of that opinion piece mentioned or even implied "zionism" had anything to do with America's involvement in the Middle East/Iraq? Where is the "racism" in the article?

It's pretty obvious who and who did not read the article.

Wolfewitz, along with Cheney, Perle, Rumsfield, Feith, etc. had developed an aggressive militaristic foreign policy theory back when they served together in the first Bush administration. It was the antithesis of what George Washington had proposed and nearly every president had followed up until 2001.

They thought they knew better than everyone else and that things would just go swimmingly if they could just find an excuse to enable their plan. 9/11 comes along and - whoop, there it is. They truly believed that they were going to reshape the world and there would be little or no resistance. That somehow nearly every country in the whole world was just dying to become a little USA and they were just the guys to make it happen.

They even gave us a blueprint for what they were going to do and how they were going to do it in a series of policy documents released from their neo-conservative dominated think tank.

As the old adage in boxing goes: Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Since they hadn't begun to acknowledge or even anticipate the weakness in their plan and its execution, when things went south in Iraq they had no contingency plan to fall back on. Thus, the clusterfark the entire world witnessed.

So when Wolfewitz starts opening his mouth and rambling on about foreign policy issues, it's a perfectly valid time to call the guy out. It's not unreasonable to point out that he is one of the architects of one of the largest abject failures in foreign policy in history. The truth is the truth, whether someone from Bahrain, Bhutan or Bermuda points it out.

Xaneidolon: dead Americans? What about the 200K-1M (depending on the source) Iraqis? Are American lives worth infinitely more? The ratio is 50:1 - 200-1.

The usual ratio is 10:1. It's 3:1 for Canadians and Europeans.

If you don't like it... well, they have the Bomb, so you just keep on not liking it and they keep killing for money/oil/power and there's nothing stopping them.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Wait- Paul Wolfowitz has killed over 4,000 Americans? Busy guy.

His diary must look odd: "Get up in the morning, death, death, death, death, death, death, death, lunch, death, death, death -afternoon tea - death, death, death - quick shower"

As others have pointed out, he really should get partial credit for that description.

lawboy87

What part of that opinion piece mentioned or even implied "zionism" had anything to do with America's involvement in the Middle East/Iraq? Where is the "racism" in the article?

It's pretty obvious who and who did not read the article.

I did read the article, and have read other articles by Paul Balle. Such as his gem on Israel planning 9-11 Attacks..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/remains.html?q=remains.html

Come back when you have a better grasp of the writers background and political leanings before you lecture me.

1.3 million Iraquis slaughtered in the liberation?


WOW

thats 633 people per day.

In a country roughly the population of what....california?

You would think someone would have noticed that.

I mean I see news stories whenever a single civilian is killed in any sort of insurgent attack.

So i must be missing about 610 media reports daily on the other deaths. Or maybe the writer of the piece is just a partisan hack who is using wildly inflated numbers meant to manipulate the soft minds of the American voter.

Of course....I shouldn't really blame the US military for the deaths caused by insurgents. After all there is no question that they are the ones prolonging the conflict. It is not as if the US military would go out into Baghdad and bomb a building that wasn't shooting at them.

So in my opinion, which is just as valid as the sophomoric opinion in TFA.....Liberals are trying to distract you everything except the fact that they have stolen 4 trillion dollars from you just this year.

They stole $55,000 from every American family. They will have to do it again next year.

Your family will not see much of that money. It will be wasted on social engineering efforts that will ultimately increase your cost of living until you cannot afford AC, a large Refrigerator, or a car. You will be told you are saving the environment.

But then the Chinese will just start destroying it, so all your good efforts will in essence be enabling a Chinese Family to own a big car and AC their home and store lots of poodles&noodles in the fridge.

I have a bad feeling of an impending Rugbyjock photoshop.

//might click, if only to see how witty he can make it.

Let's not forget 1.3 million Iraqi deaths either.

That always seems to get swept aside (though not in this piece).

archichris: 1.3 million Iraquis slaughtered in the liberation?

The "liberation?"

*snicker, snicker*

Kyoki
The entire region is quick to cook up these zionist theories, and those theories deliver a decisive coup de grace to just about anything the region might say/print.

What Zionist theory do you believe the author to be cooking up here, out of curiosity? Personally I read that as more of a misuse of the phrase "agent provocateur" than anything. The word he seems to have unsuccessfully been searching for is "ally".

Starting a war and lying to do it. Pretending its patriotic to go shoot up another country. Is that what you and your kids signed up for when you joined the military ?

KYOKI

Again what part OF THAT ARTICLE implied a zionist motive?

Just because the author may have a checkered past and has trotted out the zionism criticisms before, doesn't mean that it is reflected in the article we are commenting. It's simply not there.

Now, can you actually dispute anything in the posted article or possibly point to any racism (anti-semitism) or the similar bigotry that it contains?

Some times, even racists get it right. If you want to attack the author for his general bigotry, that's fine in my book. Hell, I might even join in the fun. (Nothing I hate more than Illinois and Bharanian Nazis!) But that in no way impacts the accuracy/innacuracy of what is contained in this particular work.

"When President Bush says, "America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons" -- that's Wolfowitz talking. When the president calls for "a new Arab charter that champions internal reform, greater political participation, economic openness and free trade" -- that's Wolfowitz's talking, too. But perhaps the greatest measure of Wolfowitz's influence is that Colin Powell now waxes rhapsodic about an Iraq "on the road to democratic self-government." This from the man who, after the first Gulf War, mocked: "Where's Iraq's Thomas Jefferson?" To our ears, the sudden stress on Mideast democratization is "transformative," to use the Pentagon jargon. Israel has long waited for an administration that understands that the principal problem in the Middle East is not the unsettled status of our borders. It is the unsettling nature of Arab regimes -- and of the bellicosity, fanaticism, and resentments to which they give rise. Israel has also long waited for an administration that understands that the regimes that threaten Tel Aviv also threaten New York.

The Jerusalem Post concluded: "There's a downside. Earlier in the year, the notion took hold that the president was taking the country to war at the urgings of his Jewish advisers, themselves shills for Israel. "Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Kristol [are]... the clique of conservatives who are driving this war," wrote New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd. She may as well have written "the clique of Jews," some felt. Other critics of the war were more explicit. "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war in Iraq," said Democratic Congressman Jim Moran, "we would not be doing this." In this year when anti-Semitism is once again a fact of life, the name "Wolfowitz" has become its lightning rod."

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/paulwolfowitzajcisrael8990402.html

/sorry, fark won't link to it for some reason

lawboy87:

Some times, even racists get it right.

From the author's own site: "Sometimes even a bigot is worth listening to, for he may speak truths that others dare not utter."

/also: "Curiosity never killed anything except ignorance." and "Explorers and discoverers never get lost."

Apik0r0s: "When President Bush says, "America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons" -- that's Wolfowitz talking. When the president calls for "a new Arab charter that champions internal reform, greater political participation, economic openness and free trade" -- that's Wolfowitz's talking, too. But perhaps the greatest measure of Wolfowitz's influence is that Colin Powell now waxes rhapsodic about an Iraq "on the road to democratic self-government." This from the man who, after the first Gulf War, mocked: "Where's Iraq's Thomas Jefferson?" To our ears, the sudden stress on Mideast democratization is "transformative," to use the Pentagon jargon. Israel has long waited for an administration that understands that the principal problem in the Middle East is not the unsettled status of our borders. It is the unsettling nature of Arab regimes -- and of the bellicosity, fanaticism, and resentments to which they give rise. Israel has also long waited for an administration that understands that the regimes that threaten Tel Aviv also threaten New York.

The Jerusalem Post concluded: "There's a downside. Earlier in the year, the notion took hold that the president was taking the country to war at the urgings of his Jewish advisers, themselves shills for Israel. "Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Kristol [are]... the clique of conservatives who are driving this war," wrote New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd. She may as well have written "the clique of Jews," some felt. Other critics of the war were more explicit. "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war in Iraq," said Democratic Congressman Jim Moran, "we would not be doing this." In this year when anti-Semitism is once again a fact of life, the name "Wolfowitz" has become its lightning rod."

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/paulwolfowitzajcisrael8990402.html

/sorry, fark won't link to it for some reason

There are hundreds of sites for every group that insists their people are constantly persecuted. It no longer works for me. If someone says anything negative about Israel, or a prominent jewish individual, you are knee-jerk assumed to be anti-semetic. fark that, I will criticize anyone I feel deserves criticism.

lawboy87

KYOKI

Again what part OF THAT ARTICLE implied a zionist motive?

Again, to say "Israel had him as its agent provocateur Paul Wolfowitz to justify occupation of Iraq as permanent protection against WMDs." goes back to Balle's theory that Israel 'owns' everyone in the US Government and that there is a theory that because Wolfowist is jewish, he's automatically an 'agent' of some sort of the Israeli's. Its pretty obvious what Balle is getting at.

Kyoki: Whenever a article from racist, totalitarian Bahrain has statements like: "Israel had him as its agent provocateur Paul Wolfowitz to justify occupation of Iraq as permanent protection against WMDs." I just zone out.

The entire region is quick to cook up these zionist theories, and those theories deliver a decisive coup de grace to just about anything the region might say/print.

You seem to assume that by simply implying that the author is an "anti-Semite" and "Zionist conspiracy theorist", you will effectively discredit anything he says, and that most people will reflexively "zone out" right along with you.

Sadly, your assumption is probably correct.

Wolfowitz should be in the Hague.. along with Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, at the minimum.

SherKhan: Explorers and discoverers never get lost.

Only because they didn't bring their wives along to point it out.

Mrs. Columbus: Chriiiiiissss, weren't we supposed to reach India two weeks ago?
Mr. Columbus: I'm not lost!
Mrs: I didn't say you were, Chris. I'm just saying--
Mr: No, I know exactly where we are!
Mrs: Oh? Where are we, then?
Mr: In the middle of the flaming Atlantic Ocean, woman! What's it look like?
Mrs: It looks like we're lost.

dkendr: An op-ed from racist, totalitarian Bahrain. *yawn*

Why do you love Hitler?

archichris: 1.3 million Iraquis slaughtered in the liberation?


WOW

thats 633 people per day.

In a country roughly the population of what....california?

You would think someone would have noticed that.

I mean I see news stories whenever a single civilian is killed in any sort of insurgent attack.

So i must be missing about 610 media reports daily on the other deaths. Or maybe the writer of the piece is just a partisan hack who is using wildly inflated numbers meant to manipulate the soft minds of the American voter.

Of course....I shouldn't really blame the US military for the deaths caused by insurgents. After all there is no question that they are the ones prolonging the conflict. It is not as if the US military would go out into Baghdad and bomb a building that wasn't shooting at them.

So in my opinion, which is just as valid as the sophomoric opinion in TFA.....Liberals are trying to distract you everything except the fact that they have stolen 4 trillion dollars from you just this year.

They stole $55,000 from every American family. They will have to do it again next year.

Your family will not see much of that money. It will be wasted on social engineering efforts that will ultimately increase your cost of living until you cannot afford AC, a large Refrigerator, or a car. You will be told you are saving the environment.

But then the Chinese will just start destroying it, so all your good efforts will in essence be enabling a Chinese Family to own a big car and AC their home and store lots of poodles&noodles in the fridge.

Ok then what is the death count in Iraq. How do you justify those deaths? You can try to change the subject after you answer that question.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Wait- Paul Wolfowitz has killed over 4,000 Americans? Busy guy.

That's more than OJ.

Apik0r0s: http://www.israelnewsagency.com/paulwolfowitzajcisrael8990402.html

...which conveniently ignores the mastermind, Dick Cheney. Also Condi Rice, Don Rumsfeld, members of the HoR/Senate who voted for authorization (only a small percentage of Jews in those bodies), Richard Armitage, John Bolten, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalizad; and other PNAC members such as: Gary Schmitt, Thomas Donnelly, Ellen Bork, Jeb Bush, Dan Quayle, Steve Forbes...

// not saying YOU ignored them, but they get...curiously overlooked in the "OMG J00Z" discussion
// not an exhaustive list, by far

ck1938: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Wait- Paul Wolfowitz has killed over 4,000 Americans? Busy guy.

That's more than OJ.

But not as many as Woodrow Wilson or LBJ. Wolfowitz is a piker.

archichris: Of course....I shouldn't really blame the US military Hitler for the deaths caused by insurgents the Allies. After all there is no question that they the Allies are the ones prolonging the conflict.

Godwinned that for you.

Does that 4,316 Americans deaths include those that happened under Obama?

JQPublic:

Does that 4,316 Americans deaths include those that happened under Obama?

Have you ever considered that your stances in politics are wrong?

Farker T:

You seem to assume that by simply implying that the author is an "anti-Semite" and "Zionist conspiracy theorist", you will effectively discredit anything he says, and that most people will reflexively "zone out" right along with you.

Sadly, your assumption is probably correct.

If one of those right wing FauxNews douches cooked up an article that starts out by claiming that a top US official was a 'Israeli Agent' there would be 20 people in here posting 'whargllbbbllll' pics. But since this guy has a popular liberal agenda (that the Iraq situation is wrong and without merit) he gets a pass based on the 'quality of his article'.

Kyoki
Again, to say "Israel had him as its agent provocateur Paul Wolfowitz to justify occupation of Iraq as permanent protection against WMDs." goes back to Balle's theory that Israel 'owns' everyone in the US Government and that there is a theory that because Wolfowist is jewish, he's automatically an 'agent' of some sort of the Israeli's.

That's quite an unjustified leap, isn't it? The phrase "agent provocateur" makes no sense in that context, either. An agent provocateur works on behalf of one side to provoke the other side into commission of an act that would serve as a useful pretense to action. In no way is that an accurate description of Wolfowitz's role in foreign policy vis-a-vis Iraq, but it also doesn't follow that it's a reference to "Balle's theory" or whatever.

what i love is, wolfowitz is the very model of the "elite east-coast intellectual" that bush famously disdained.