I'll get my family values from Focus on the Family - thank you very much.

Black people don't have family values, subby. Don't be foolish.

In the last election the only GOP candidate with just one wife, WAS THE MORMON!


Irony and hypocracy move in together.

FireBreathingLiberal: In the last election the only GOP candidate with just one wife, WAS THE MORMON!

the Huckleberry was divorced???

I always pinned the moment that the GOP started trumpeting "family values" as a campaign issue as the beginning of the end. The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind. There are issues for society to deal with, and issues for the government to deal with. Sometimes, there is overlap, but sometimes one has no business being mixed up with the other. We need to stop assuming it's always a good idea to mix those two.

I'll take my family values from Mark Sanford, that gives me plenty of room to maneuver.

FireBreathingLiberal: In the last election the only GOP candidate with just one wife, WAS THE MORMON!


Irony and hypocracy move in together.

That's not fair. Romney is probably the only Republican who actually loves women.

I love people who call me a "deviant" when I just try to live my life, and they cheat on their wives and betray their children. Nice.

Nabb1: I always pinned the moment that the GOP started trumpeting "family values" as a campaign issue as the beginning of the end. The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind. There are issues for society to deal with, and issues for the government to deal with. Sometimes, there is overlap, but sometimes one has no business being mixed up with the other. We need to stop assuming it's always a good idea to mix those two.

amen, brother.

family values---once considered the province of the GOP---

Only for people who believed their hypocritical bullshiat.
woooooo, we love family values! Now excuse us while we dump our wives for newer, hotter, younger, non-cancer stricken ones. That's when we're not too busy farking other guys (NTTAWWT) or sending naughty messages to our pages!

So who would the polar opposite be? Gingrich?

The only Family Values the GOP have been for are:

Wife - Barefoot, Pregnant, In the Kitchen, don't speak when the men are talking.
Lover - Black Woman, or White boy.

Nabb1: The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind.

Exactly. It's not like "values" are some iron clad, unchanging concept. Different people have different values.

Nabb1: The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind.

Sadly, they have no choice. Certain areas where the governmetn is involved simply requires them to make decisions which involve 'family values' - marriage, adoption, schooling. It's unavoidable.

They had to discard something if they want to hold the torture card.

Shhhhh! Don't start saying that Obama is a good family man because the second that becomes trumpeted all over the world he'll get caught with his cock in the "vegetable garden." We don't need that right now.

it's pretty easy to come across that way when the media goes out of it's way to paint you as Jesus 2.0

zelet: Shhhhh! Don't start saying that Obama is a good family man because the second that becomes trumpeted all over the world he'll get caught with his cock in the "vegetable garden." We don't need that right now.

HOW YOU DOIN'?

I heard he knocked up his oldest daughter and took her to France for an abortion. Plus he looks kind of gay.

patrick767: Now excuse us while we dump our wives for newer, hotter, younger, non-cancer stricken ones

Pssst. John Edwards was a democrat, not a republican. Now he is a joke. Infidelity knows no party. Pass it on.

Subby is right, Obama has a family that makes us all proud. It's one reason why his personal ratings are higher than his policy ratings. I'm confused as why that "Family Values" Idea is a bad thing. Obama doesn't seem to think so, he recently made a big deal about dads needing to step it up. Does this make him a farking moron? Here is some more rope, Please continue to explain.

... once considered [by the GOP] the province of the GOP ...

The only bad thing about continually pointing out to the right that their strategy is flawed, is that sooner or later they're going to start listening.

patrick767: Now excuse us while we dump our wives for newer, hotter, younger, non-cancer stricken ones richer ones that weren't stupid enough to get hit by a car.

Works too.

Car_Ramrod: Works too.

Who is that in reference to?

The media will work tirelessly to cover up/ dismiss Obama's sex scandals.

"Only a racist would care about that hooker Obama beat to death in college"

Nabb1: I always pinned the moment that the GOP started trumpeting "family values" as a campaign issue as the beginning of the end. The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind. There are issues for society to deal with, and issues for the government to deal with. Sometimes, there is overlap, but sometimes one has no business being mixed up with the other. We need to stop assuming it's always a good idea to mix those two.

This.

I have a family, and together we have our values. I sure as hell don't need the farking GOP to tell me what my family values should be.

Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980 on a platform of family, religion and hard work... despite his divorce, his strained relationship w/ his kids, the fact that he didn't go to church regularly, and worked a 30-hour week. And it's been all downhill since then.

YoMammaObama: patrick767: Now excuse us while we dump our wives for newer, hotter, younger, non-cancer stricken ones

Pssst. John Edwards was a democrat, not a republican. Now he is a joke. Infidelity knows no party. Pass it on.

Subby is right, Obama has a family that makes us all proud. It's one reason why his personal ratings are higher than his policy ratings. I'm confused as why that "Family Values" Idea is a bad thing. Obama doesn't seem to think so, he recently made a big deal about dads needing to step it up. Does this make him a farking moron? Here is some more rope, Please continue to explain.

You forgot Newt.

Mighty Taternuts: Car_Ramrod: Works too.

Who is that in reference to?

McCain

YoMammaObama: I'm confused as why that "Family Values" Idea is a bad thing. Obama doesn't seem to think so, he recently made a big deal about dads needing to step it up. Does this make him a farking moron? Here is some more rope, Please continue to explain.

Throughout all of history the leader certainly sets the tone for the people in regards to family life. There are exceptions, but either the leader is a reflection of the people or the people emulate the leader. To think that the state leader has nothing to say or demonstrate about family matters is wishful thinking at best. It also explains his religiosity.

YoMammaObama:

Obama has a family that makes us all proud.



Certain members of Bush's family made me proud.

/seldom used definition

FireBreathingLiberal: In the last election the only GOP candidate with just one wife, WAS THE MORMON!

RON PAUL!

SherKhan: Certain members of Bush's family made me proud.

Just ungodly hot, and her dad is stupid as fark so you can get away with anything.

Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom: The media will work tirelessly to cover up/ dismiss Obama's sex scandals.

"Only a racist would care about that hooker Obama beat to death in college"

Pfft. Anyone could tell she was asking for it.

OMG Heez not even Americunz! Hees from Pamana! Just look at tthe berth certificate from wen he was a babby!!!111

YoMammaObama: Here is some more rope, Please continue to explain.

Easy: he doesn't make it a platform plank. Here's your rope back.

I always loved when GOP pols went into family values after their long treatise against big, intrusive government. After a litany of "no gay marriage, abstinence only, etc," I would have paid good money for a reporter to ask, just once, "wouldn't interfering in someone's bedroom be considered big, intrusive government?" just to see that idiot squirm.

Family values is a buzz word for them. Ask them for a definition or a deeper meaning and they freeze or go off the deep end.

DamnYankees: Nabb1: The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind.

Sadly, they have no choice. Certain areas where the governmetn is involved simply requires them to make decisions which involve 'family values' - marriage, adoption, schooling. It's unavoidable.

Well, first, all three of those are legal constructs and/or functions of the state. Second, I said there are areas where there was overlap. Did you not read that, or are you just feeling the need to take a contrary position?

SherKhan: Certain members of Bush's family made me proud.

Wow. We agree. Thanks. You want a coke?

/smile

RogerDodger: Just look at tthe berth certificate from wen he was a babby!!!111

Kinda makes you wonder how he was formed.

Nabb1: DamnYankees: Nabb1: The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind.

Sadly, they have no choice. Certain areas where the governmetn is involved simply requires them to make decisions which involve 'family values' - marriage, adoption, schooling. It's unavoidable.

Well, first, all three of those are legal constructs and/or functions of the state. Second, I said there are areas where there was overlap. Did you not read that, or are you just feeling the need to take a contrary position?

Just joking on that last part. Came off a bit harsh...

Nabb1: Well, first, all three of those are legal constructs and/or functions of the state. Second, I said there are areas where there was overlap. Did you not read that, or are you just feeling the need to take a contrary position?

Of course they are legal constructs. What's your point? Maybe you don't want the government involved in schooling and adoption, but as long as they are, they will have to make decisions regarding "family values".

DamnYankees: Nabb1: Well, first, all three of those are legal constructs and/or functions of the state. Second, I said there are areas where there was overlap. Did you not read that, or are you just feeling the need to take a contrary position?

Of course they are legal constructs. What's your point? Maybe you don't want the government involved in schooling and adoption, but as long as they are, they will have to make decisions regarding "family values".

Did I take an absolute position regarding this issue? I said there is sometimes overlap, but we shouldn't presume that there always is. What is your point?

mojo_the_helper_monkey: I always loved when GOP pols went into family values after their long treatise against big, intrusive government. After a litany of "no gay marriage, abstinence only, etc," I would have paid good money for a reporter to ask, just once, "wouldn't interfering in someone's bedroom be considered big, intrusive government?" just to see that idiot squirm.

Family values is a buzz word for them. Ask them for a definition or a deeper meaning and they freeze or go off the deep end.

You really don't understand social conservatives if you think they are that dumb. While I don't agree with them I they do have reasons. To paint with a really broad brush: they generally believe that an organized social structure with strong laws and religious consideration lays the foundation for a peaceful national life in which people can flourish in free enterprise. The emphasis on "family values" comes from Puritan times and perhaps an idolizing of an age in which the immediate family was the cornerstone of the society. Much like a progressive might see the corporate boardroom as the substitution for tribal leaders raping and pillaging the neighboring peasants the conservative sees prostitution, unusual sexual habits, and drug use as a slide into barbarism (perhaps even ungodliness).

mccallcl: Easy: he doesn't make it a platform plank.

Here is the fathersday brewhaha that you blew off before:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/19/obamas-faith-based-offic e -goes-big-for-fathers-day.html

or here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2009362174_dad20.html

or here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105666718

My point is not lessened just because he does not thank the GOP for his "family values". Moreso, he should not thank the GOP. "Family values", much like infidelity, is not a single party concept. You can keep the rope.

YoMammaObama:

Protip: when you find yourself in agreement with me it's because you're correct. ;-)

Since seeing Slumdog Millionaire, I find proffered sodas deeply alarming.

The heightened emphasis on 'family values' has become a shield that the GOP has hidden behind while doing the very things they rant against.

hypocrites all.

DamnYankees: Maybe you don't want the government involved in schooling and adoption, but as long as they are, they will have to make decisions regarding "family values".

My favorite example of this is what you allow parents to name their kids.

The only judge I know who has had to deal with it, thinks it's simultaneously the biggest waste of his time and of absolute paramount importance for the kid.

SherKhan: Since seeing Slumdog Millionaire, I find proffered sodas deeply alarming.

Have not seen it, but I can only imagine. I was meaning more of the Bill Cosby sense of the offer. Possibly even the Eddie Murphy version. We'll see.

SherKhan: ;-)

I also want to cry out "Bageeeeeeerraaaaaa!"(sp?) every time I see your name.

Nabb1: Did I take an absolute position regarding this issue?

You kinda started to, and then didn't. It's slightly confusing.

Nabb1: The government has no business instilling us with "family values" of any kind.

Now, it depends what you think "instilling" entails. When the judge tells you that you're not allowed to name your child "Killthespics 246y086q394860-93486092q38460982346098234096823094860293846092384609823460982340 96820394860293486092384609283460982346098234906", is that an instillation of family values?

What if the government is telling you you need to provide medical care for your children, even if it's against your religion-- there's certainly some who would see that as "instilling".

I think, from the rest of your statement, that you're very reasonably assuming that the government's aim should never be to instill them, but this doesn't preclude them from taking other actions that have the effect (many would argue) of instilling values.

If I'm reading you right, that is.