I thought that rushing into billion dollar decisions is what caused the majority of the problems in the first place.

Well... that, and sheer farking stupidity.

I can't think of one good reason why a week would be so much of an imposition.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) will not commit to giving senators and the public a full week to read and review the final version of a health-care reform bill before he holds a final vote on it.

Oh yes, I can just feel the change oozing out of D.C.

Not to worry, farkers will be along shortly to tell us why this is ok.

As much as I think we desperately need health care reform, any politician who votes for this bill without reading it needs to be removed from office. Harry Reid can suck my hairy reed.

Hey just FYI, we don't have any say in our government anymore.

Well, isn't that special. Just shove it down everyone's throats blind, what the hell.

Obama needs to take a stand against this piece of shiat. Prove he isn't just full of hot air. Veto the goddamn bill if they pass it without sufficient review.

The Change I was hoping for was that Republicans no longer had power.

I got it.

Now you tards can sit in your Idaho compound and watch the USA join the rest of the civilized world. And nobody gives two runny shiats what you think.

That's Change I can believe in.

The house dems just passed cap and trade - despite Obama's campaign pledge (lie) your taxes are about to skyrocket.

/Sad

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not to worry, farkers will be along shortly to tell us why this is ok.

It's ok because the Democrats, not the Republicans, are pushing it through. We can trust them Democrats right? Isn't that the line?

Lost Thought 00: Obama needs to take a stand against this piece of shiat. Prove he isn't just full of hot air. Veto the goddamn bill if they pass it without sufficient review.

good luck with that.

Then vote it down.

Spanky_McFarksalot: Not to worry, farkers will be along shortly to tell us why this is ok.

Nah, they'll just attack the source and obfuscate the real issue.

Rockdrummer: your taxes are about to skyrocket.

Citation needed.

Lost Thought 00: Obama needs to take a stand against this piece of shiat. Prove he isn't just full of hot air. Veto the goddamn bill if they pass it without sufficient review.

Obama needs to take a stand? Who do you think is giving Reid his marching orders? Dude, you don't get it.

Will you commit to give Americans at least a week to review the full conference version of the health-care bill before it's voted on?"


bwahahahahahahahhahahahaha!

suck it republicans, insurance lobbyists and the unavoidable douches who fellate them

paygun: Hey just FYI, we don't have any say in our government anymore.

That is actually pretty much how it works and is supposed to work. We vote in who we think will look out for our interests and make good decisions. Then, they make those decisions. Tell them if you agree/disagree if you feel like it, but they're under no obligation to listen. Vote back out of office if necessary, lather, rinse, repeat. Did you not know that? Also, isn't this statement kind of a non sequitur?

No one changes Wahington, Washington changes everyone.

h8_u_2: Will you commit to give Americans at least a week to review the full conference version of the health-care bill before it's voted on?"


bwahahahahahahahhahahahaha!

suck it republicans, insurance lobbyists and the unavoidable douches who fellate them

Yes, anyone who's upset by this must love Republicans, and could never be upset they want to spend over a trillion dollars without properly overlooking the legislation.

Considering the massive abuses of power already going on under the Obama administration, should it come as any surprise that the body of government that should be screaming bloody murder about all of his 'czars' is ram rodding things through as well?

It's almost as if they're terrified of what might happen if anyone had a chance to learn the details.

Have you ever read one of those bills??

Bor-ring!

The reason I vote for a representative is so that they do the work for me. They read the bill. They decide whether its in my best interersts. Delegate. Its a verb and a noun!

Apik0r0s: Rockdrummer: your taxes are about to skyrocket.

Citation needed.

"Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.

Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can't repeal that reality."

Let alone your electric rates going sky high due to cap and trade. I'll bet you voted for the chicago street thug, didn't you?

Link (new window)

h8_u_2: suck it republicans, insurance lobbyists and the unavoidable douches who fellate them

FTFA: "During his campaign, President Barack Obama promised that Americans would have five days to review all bills before he signed them into law."

That's change in which we can believe, right? Look what happened the last time they rushed a $787 billion bill through. Biden was along a few months later admitting that "everyone was wrong" about it.

But hey, it's just money, huh? We can print more.

Rockdrummer: Who do you think is giving Reid his marching orders?

Insurance Lobbyists. Reid wasn't born when Obama took office.

pd771: Yes, anyone who's upset by this must love Republicans, and could never be upset they want to spend over a trillion dollars without properly overlooking the legislation.

yes, because it is impossible for anyone to be involved in the conference, and use their staff to read and understand the bill. No one knows what's in it, right? Bullshiat.

what they want is a week to wharrgarble and misinform in and effort to kill the legislation. To do that they need to provide political cover. For that, they need atleast a week.

All of these Senators saying that they simply don't have time to read the bills that they're voting on makes me wonder. Can the voters in their home districts think of a way to give them more time?

PirateKing: As much as I think we desperately need health care reform, any politician who votes for this bill without reading it needs to be removed from office. Harry Reid can suck my hairy reed.

Yea, this. Nothing else to really say on the matter.

Voting with ignorance is bad, mmkay?

Rockdrummer: Link (new window)

I counter your link with a link (new window)

thurstonxhowell: That is actually pretty much how it works and is supposed to work. We vote in who we think will look out for our interests and make good decisions. Then, they make those decisions. Tell them if you agree/disagree if you feel like it, but they're under no obligation to listen. Vote back out of office if necessary, lather, rinse, repeat. Did you not know that? Also, isn't this statement kind of a non sequitur?

Yes, the government should pass legislation without us knowing what it is. That's exactly how it should work. If we don't like it, we can always vote in someone else who will do the same damn thing. It's somehow better if we get screwed by someone new.

2012 is right on track. If we make it that far.

Rockdrummer: Apik0r0s: Rockdrummer: your taxes are about to skyrocket.

Citation needed.

"Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.

Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can't repeal that reality."

Let alone your electric rates going sky high due to cap and trade. I'll bet you voted for the chicago street thug, didn't you?

Link (new window)

No no no... Obama SAID that 95% of people wouldn't see a tax increase, instead they'd see a tax DECREASE. So it's gotta be true, right?

lajimi: All of these Senators saying that they simply don't have time to read the bills that they're voting on makes me wonder. Can the voters in their home districts think of a way to give them more time?

Fire their asses and they'll have all the time in world.

Ball Sack Obama: FTFA: "During his campaign, President Barack Obama promised that Americans would have five days to review all bills before he signed them into law."

That's change in which we can believe, right? Look what happened the last time they rushed a $787 billion bill through. Biden was along a few months later admitting that "everyone was wrong" about it.

But hey, it's just money, huh? We can print more.

awww. bringing up campaign promises. you're cute and everything.

I believe we're talking about a vote here, not when he signs it into law. but thanks for the tired talking points.

GaryPDX: 2012 is right on track. If we make it that far.

I don't think there's much doubt there will be a disaster ripe for the picking by 2012, what I wonder about is if anyone on the right can manage to stop drooling long enough to form any kind of plan.

paygun: GaryPDX: 2012 is right on track. If we make it that far.

I don't think there's much doubt there will be a disaster ripe for the picking by 2012, what I wonder about is if anyone on the right can manage to stop drooling long enough to form any kind of plan.

It's and old conservative song:

Fear! Fear !! Oh Noes!!! My Doomesday religion says Fear! Fear!!!

h8_u_2: Ball Sack Obama: FTFA: "During his campaign, President Barack Obama promised that Americans would have five days to review all bills before he signed them into law."

That's change in which we can believe, right? Look what happened the last time they rushed a $787 billion bill through. Biden was along a few months later admitting that "everyone was wrong" about it.

But hey, it's just money, huh? We can print more.

awww. bringing up campaign promises. you're cute and everything.

I believe we're talking about a vote here, not when he signs it into law. but thanks for the tired talking points.

Yeah, cuz he's bringing so much farking "transparency" into government that I can hardly stand it. Sorry if the truth hurts, but they farked up before and they're about to fark up some more. God forbid someone speaks up against it.

...Gary?
...Gaaarrry?
...GARY!

When did you start popping up again?

/+1 to the first person who gets the reference.

paygun: GaryPDX: 2012 is right on track. If we make it that far.

I don't think there's much doubt there will be a disaster ripe for the picking by 2012, what I wonder about is if anyone on the right can manage to stop drooling long enough to form any kind of plan.

My Zombie Apocalypse Plan is up to date. You should update too. By 2012 it will be every man for himself at this rate.

Ball Sack Obama: Yeah, cuz he's bringing so much farking "transparency" into government that I can hardly stand it. Sorry if the truth hurts, but they farked up before and they're about to fark up some more. God forbid someone speaks up against it.

wait. what are you speaking up against. Something completely different from your last failed point?

MrScruffles: ...Gary?
...Gaaarrry?
...GARY!

When did you start popping up again?

/+1 to the first person who gets the reference.

Well..this is Freeperville of the Left. I come around once in a while for the lulz.

Ball Sack Obama: h8_u_2: Ball Sack Obama: FTFA: "During his campaign, President Barack Obama promised that Americans would have five days to review all bills before he signed them into law."

That's change in which we can believe, right? Look what happened the last time they rushed a $787 billion bill through. Biden was along a few months later admitting that "everyone was wrong" about it.

But hey, it's just money, huh? We can print more.

awww. bringing up campaign promises. you're cute and everything.

I believe we're talking about a vote here, not when he signs it into law. but thanks for the tired talking points.

Yeah, cuz he's bringing so much farking "transparency" into government that I can hardly stand it. Sorry if the truth hurts, but they farked up before and they're about to fark up some more. God forbid someone speaks up against it.

Might I also point out the utter fail of this point as well. Man, I'd like to know where you get your news from.

GaryPDX: My Zombie Apocalypse Plan is up to date. You should update too. By 2012 it will be every man for himself at this rate.

Bunker stocking is underway. Adding more mags and ammo soon. I'll be on 160 and 80 meters in the winter, higher bands in the summer, I'd appreciate it if more people would get their comms gear in order so we can get some report of what's going on outside of our own AO.

I'm pretty sure this thread is full of alts.

... should be an interesting couple of years.

h8_u_2: Ball Sack Obama: Yeah, cuz he's bringing so much farking "transparency" into government that I can hardly stand it. Sorry if the truth hurts, but they farked up before and they're about to fark up some more. God forbid someone speaks up against it.

wait. what are you speaking up against. Something completely different from your last failed point?

Is it a "failed point" that I stated that they rushed a $787 billon stimulus through that the Vice-President recently said is failing because "everyone guessed wrong?" Maybe from your twisted perspective, but most of the sane folks I know would disagree with you.

How about reading the farking article before shiatting out your puerile bullshiat replies? Specifically read the part where he says "We are going to follow the rules and do the best we can so that the new rules we have for transparency will be effective."

The best thing would be to allow five days to read the 1000+ page document.

woohoo Gary!

h8_u_2: Might I also point out the utter fail of this point as well. Man, I'd like to know where you get your news from.

From.the.farking.article.dude.

*shakes head*

Rockdrummer: Apik0r0s: Rockdrummer: your taxes are about to skyrocket.

Citation needed.

"Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.

Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can't repeal that reality."

Let alone your electric rates going sky high due to cap and trade. I'll bet you voted for the chicago street thug, didn't you?

Link (new window)

Ahh, drummers. If you're out of stupid, they've always got more.

pd771: Yes, anyone who's upset by this must love Republicans, and could never be upset they want to spend over a trillion dollars without properly overlooking the legislation.

It's a crisis, one does not have to read things when there is a crisis.

h8_u_2: what they want is a week to wharrgarble and misinform in and effort to kill the legislation. To do that they need to provide political cover. For that, they need atleast a week.

I'm, I thought maybe we should have a goddamn right to voice an opinion on a bill that we're going to be paying for. I want to tell my congressman what my opinion is when it goes into the trillions of dollars.