I think South Park nailed that one.

nacker: I think South Park nailed that one.

The White Stripes or Guitar Hero?

Guitar Hero... I don't know of any episodes where they called out the White Stripes.

Gotcha, I don't really keep up with South Park so I had no idea.

I do notice, though- they seem to hate anything that gives other people pleasure. I think there's a DSM term for that.

I used to feel the same way. As a former bassist/guitarist, I scowled disapprovingly at these kids wasting their time pressing buttons rather than learning to play a real instrument.

Then I realized, this is the shortcut to playing for real. Rather than the months and years of playing shiatty chords, improving slowly... these kids are building the rhythm and coordination parts first. My guess is learning the guitar is _easier_ after playing Guitar Hero

My nephew is in a gigging band ... he started out on Guitar Hero.

AzDownboy: I used to feel the same way. As a former bassist/guitarist, I scowled disapprovingly at these kids wasting their time pressing buttons rather than learning to play a real instrument.

Then I realized, this is the shortcut to playing for real. Rather than the months and years of playing shiatty chords, improving slowly... these kids are building the rhythm and coordination parts first. My guess is learning the guitar is _easier_ after playing Guitar Hero

As a bassist (hobbyist not pro) I can safely say that GH/RB is not pretending to play guitar/bass/what have you. It's pretending to be a rock star, and I love playing it with my friends.

Unfortunately, every single other person I know who is proficient at guitar or bass despises the game's existence- they really don't know what they're missing. Drummers seem ok with it, though.

I'm a guitarist, and I suck at Rock Band/Guitar Hero. I always overreach the frets. I know some guys who play guitar and are great at those games.

Anything that gets people into music and interested in playing is fine by me.

Yay!!! A bash Rock Band AND bash some random real band two-in-one thread!

Rather than bother justifying our opinions, maybe we can just fill in the blanks with Xs as needed:

[ ] Playing Rock Band / Guitar Hero doesn't make you a musician
[ ] Get a REAL guitar!
[ ] It's not MEANT to be real. Get a grip!
[ ] The White Stripes suck
[ ] Stop being haters, you White Stripes haters!
[ ] Totally unrelated band ___________ is way better than TWS

Bonus points if you can put an X in the following:
[ ] I play guitar/bass/drums, so I'm getting a kick out of ... etc.
[ ] I got twenty start on Crazy Train on Expert Mode and unlocked the secret Britney Spears level!!!
[ ] I did Meg and/or Jack White in the back of a limo on the way to a Crispy Creme donut shop grand opening back when they were just the Light Eggshell Stripes.
[ ] It makes me cool to use abbreviations for band names (sadly, this doesn't work for U2 or REM).

sigh. starS, not starT

Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Krispy Kreme

They're 100% right about Guitar Hero.

Rock Band is a much better way for kids to be exposed to music.

Bek: AzDownboy: I used to feel the same way. As a former bassist/guitarist, I scowled disapprovingly at these kids wasting their time pressing buttons rather than learning to play a real instrument.

Then I realized, this is the shortcut to playing for real. Rather than the months and years of playing shiatty chords, improving slowly... these kids are building the rhythm and coordination parts first. My guess is learning the guitar is _easier_ after playing Guitar Hero

As a bassist (hobbyist not pro) I can safely say that GH/RB is not pretending to play guitar/bass/what have you. It's pretending to be a rock star, and I love playing it with my friends.

Unfortunately, every single other person I know who is proficient at guitar or bass despises the game's existence- they really don't know what they're missing. Drummers seem ok with it, though.

Really? My friends who play guitar/bass have only ever said positive things about it. I enjoy it too (I play guitar), but I attribute it more to the fact that I was insanely addicted to Frequency for a long, long time.

tillerman35: sigh. starS, not starT

LOL, still funny, even with the typos. I think you covered everything.

Except...maybe Jack White realizes he missed the Guitar Hero/Rock Band boat by not having bass on most of their songs. Could it be sour grapes?

/Loves me some White Stripes, even if I'll never get to play Meg in Rock Band.

scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

What a crock of shiat...He didn't steal a damned thing from anyone any more than the Black musicians and singers did.All music has been imitated for over a thousand years.The young learn it from the old.

GH featured Slayer. That is WIN.

AzDownboy: I used to feel the same way. As a former bassist/guitarist, I scowled disapprovingly at these kids wasting their time pressing buttons rather than learning to play a real instrument.

Then I realized, this is the shortcut to playing for real. Rather than the months and years of playing shiatty chords, improving slowly... these kids are building the rhythm and coordination parts first. My guess is learning the guitar is _easier_ after playing Guitar Hero

I don't know if i made it any easier, but I started playing bass after being addicted to Guitar Hero for about a year. I'm sure I'm nowhere near the only one.

Bek: I do notice, though- they seem to hate anything that gives other people pleasure. I think there's a DSM term for that.

It's called "being a douchebag."

/giggity?

/obligatory
//xkcd (^) rules (PS: Today's comic possibly NSFW)

Shenanigans!: /Loves me some White Stripes, even if I'll never get to play Meg in Rock Band.

You'd fail out for playing like Meg.

/I still love the White Stripes though.
//like for the perfection, love for the flaws, and all that

I found an old FLUX magazine from 1995 in my closet. In the back is a review on a new fake guitar peripheral called "Virtual Guitar" that comes with a game for $100.

It's a game that lets you act like a rock star and play gigs with your garage band until you work up to rock star status. As you make mistakes the crowd heckles you and you are rewarded for playing correctly. There was an Aerosmith expansion pack for it too. The review says you'll look pretty silly but have a fun time playing it.

Did I mention that was in 1995?

/i had a point but lost it while typing.

professordumbledorf: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

What a crock of shiat...He didn't steal a damned thing from anyone any more than the Black musicians and singers did.All music has been imitated for over a thousand years.The young learn it from the old.

No, no, no. Haven't you ever noticed that white people play music like this "dur dur dur" and black people play music like this "dar dar dar". Pay more attention.

the forthcoming documentary film that chronicles their musical careers


Let me get this straight. Jack White and Jimmy Page are going to have a documentary made about their careers? Since when do these two have any relation whatsoever? Have they collaborated before? Was Jack White in Zeppelin? Not being snarky, I'm actually curious.

Yes, I think Jack White is a very talented musician, but this is Jimmy-fapping-Page we are talking about. Very few people have the same status as he when it comes to rock and roll legends. He needs his own documentary.

Yeah, it's sort of like teaming up The Beatles and Menudo.

Playing a real guitar is like having sex with a girl. Guitar Hero is a blow-up doll.

Sorta the same thing, but not really. I'm not surprised people who can actually play are mystified by all the excitement for GH.

What amuses me more than the "Duh, it's not a real music player, get a real guitar" crowd is the "GH/RB is better" crowd.

THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN GAME!! Only with different patterns, paintjob and song selection. I have them both, I like them both - sure, RB has a better overall song library, but I think GH looks prettier.

professordumbledorf: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

What a crock of shiat...He didn't steal a damned thing from anyone any more than the Black musicians and singers did.All music has been imitated for over a thousand years.The young learn it from the old.



Really? You hear a lot of blues and jazz lines in Beethoven? The past thousand years have been pretty diverse in the field of music. Not so much these days, but I remember talking with my friends about how Buddy Guy was definitely influenced by those famous ragtime piano tunes....

I had this link in the submit box, but couldn't think of a decent headline. Props to Subby.

AzDownboy: I used to feel the same way. As a former bassist/guitarist, I scowled disapprovingly at these kids wasting their time pressing buttons rather than learning to play a real instrument.

Then I realized, this is the shortcut to playing for real. Rather than the months and years of playing shiatty chords, improving slowly... these kids are building the rhythm and coordination parts first. My guess is learning the guitar is _easier_ after playing Guitar Hero

I read a different (somewhat) message in TFA: that kids seem to have to buy a video game system and then the game and controllers (many $100s) to be exposed to music... and thus the only conduit to rock and roll is for bands that are quite established and acceptable to the corporations that market GH/RB. He's entitled to his opinion; I figure that even poor kids get these gaming systems (you should see my company's "Adopt a Family" wish list from last year!) so it works.

And then there's the part about "learning the instrument;" well I wasn't aware that people thought they could play actual guitar from becoming proficient at GH/RB. However, I don't have friends that are teenagers or college age that would come to such an epiphany. I may just miss that link because I'm already proficient at the instrument.

/Loves "Knights of Cydonia" on both IRL Guitar and GH3

This just in, being a kid is different today than it was thirty and sixty years ago.

"It's depressing to have a label come and tell you that ['Guitar Hero'] is how kids are learning about music and experiencing music," White said. He added that although he doesn't try to dictate "which format people should get their music in...if you have to be in a video game to get in front of them, that's a little sad."

I don't have anything against GH or those who play it, but he's right. It isn't the ideal way to learn about music. It's an avenue, sure. But it's not the best one.

And the White Stripes were pretty kickass, IMO.

scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

I was in a gas sation this weekend there was cable radio pumping through the sound system and the kid behind the counter says "Every song they are playing today is on Guitar Hero." I just looked at him and said I could play the song that was playing a real guitar and he asked me what score I get. I wanted to smash him around like Pete Townsend smashes a strat!

Orion5k: I was insanely addicted to Frequency

I LOVED that game!

/"Dynamite Fresh" FTW

Why the White Stripe hate?

I can read music and can (kinda sorta) play the piano. But I can't play the guitar. I've tried. For hours and hours and hours I've tried. I know that makes me a loser, but there's something between my brain and fingers that prevents me from playing a real guitar. I just can't do it.

But I love GH and can play it fairly well. I dunno why there's a difference. Maybe because it's a video game? Just like how I can do well on FPS games, but I don't really want to go join the marines and become a sniper IRL? Maybe some of us can distinguish between video games and real life? It's a game. I have fun with it.

I love both Zep and White Stripes, but maybe someone should tell them that playing Guitar Hero doesn't make someone a proficient computer programmer either, since GH has about the same connection to programming as it does to professional rock and roll playing.

bronyaur1: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

Uh...it's very well established that Led Zep lifted whole farking songs from blues and called them their own.

professordumbledorf: scally1:
[ ] Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

[ ] What a crock of shiat...He didn't steal a damned thing from anyone any more than the Black musicians and singers did.All music has been imitated for over a thousand years.The young learn it from the old.

tillerman35, I think you forgot two more boxes up there.

bronyaur1: Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

B flat aug7 chords, plural?

/well of course, there is more than one way to play it

I don't understand these anti-GH/RB arguments.

Thanks to the corporatization of the music industry, being exposed to music is very difficult.

My nieces and nephews are corn-fed Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus every day and told that "this is good music; buy the records!"

They don't have satellite radio. They haven't figured out how to look past the iTunes Top 10. Until GH and RB, they had never even heard of bands like Bon Jovi, Journey, or even Nirvana. My 9 year old nephew became a fan of Metallica based solely on being exposed to "Blackened" on RB1.

So Jack White and Jimmy Page can say that its a bad way to expose kids to their music, but in the end, its still exposure. These kids will probably never learn to appreciate Zeppelin and the Stripes if they are never exposed to the music.

And right now, the best way, is to allow kids to "interact" with the music.

GH and especially RB are GREAT ways to expose new listeners to music.

bronyaur1: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

What's an 'aug7?'

Nice headline subby - I hate the White Stripes.

mitchcumpstein: bronyaur1: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

What's an 'aug7?'

An augmented 7th chord. It's one of those thingies you make with yor hand on a geetar and then sound comes out and women take their pantses off.

Orion5k: mitchcumpstein: bronyaur1: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

Yes, those black people owned the copyright on B flat aug7 chords!!

What's an 'aug7?'

An augmented 7th chord. It's one of those thingies you make with yor hand on a geetar and then sound comes out and women take their pantses off.

So do I hit the blue button or green button?

The Gentleman Caller: professordumbledorf: scally1: Yeah, kids, do it the Jimmy Page way. Just steal it from black people.

What a crock of shiat...He didn't steal a damned thing from anyone any more than the Black musicians and singers did.All music has been imitated for over a thousand years.The young learn it from the old.

Really? You hear a lot of blues and jazz lines in Beethoven? The past thousand years have been pretty diverse in the field of music. Not so much these days, but I remember talking with my friends about how Buddy Guy was definitely influenced by those famous ragtime piano tunes....

Congratulations Mr. Gentleman caller, you have written the dumbest thing I have ever seen on fark.

First, the fact that there are no blues and jazz lines in Beethoven does not disprove that blues musicians stole from other blues musicians. I don't think that anyone was suggesting Robert Johnson was stealing from Beethoven.

Second, what did music sound like a thousand years ago? I'm curious because I'm pretty sure that very little of it has survived.

Third, music wasn't diverse at all until very recently. I am pretty sure that there were more genres of music created in the last 100 years than there were if you go all the way back to the earliest piece of western music that is notated such that it can be replicated today.

/tired greenlight subject-matter is tired

Enrico Pallazzo: the forthcoming documentary film that chronicles their musical careers


Let me get this straight. Jack White and Jimmy Page are going to have a documentary made about their careers? Since when do these two have any relation whatsoever? Have they collaborated before? Was Jack White in Zeppelin? Not being snarky, I'm actually curious.

Yes, I think Jack White is a very talented musician, but this is Jimmy-fapping-Page we are talking about. Very few people have the same status as he when it comes to rock and roll legends. He needs his own documentary.

Jack White and Jimmy Page have jammed together, and I think Page did some work with White on a song or two. The Edge is also in this documentary. Its mainly how these 3 extremely different guitarists build songs, find inspiration through and in music, etc. Its not as much as a "documentary" as a journey into the how and why of a great guitarist. I recommend watching the trailer for it

FTFA:"You think of the drum part that John Bonahm did on Led Zeppelin's first track on the first album, 'Good Times Bad Times'," [Page] said. "How many drummers in the world can play that part, let alone on Christmas morning?"

1. Tons of drummers can play that part. I know at least two.

2. I play guitar and GH/RB. Both are fun. But my band can't write our own songs in a video game, so there's that...

3. I love the White Stripes and Zeppelin, but I can't understand why these assholes care how a kid hears their music or gets inspired to play a guitar. Is it so much better to be exposed to music via a shaitty transistor radio with one speaker?

jhva3: Congratulations Mr. Gentleman caller, you have written the dumbest thing I have ever seen on fark.

You seem to say that to someone every day. It must get lonely being the only genius around.

Slu: FTFA:"You think of the drum part that John Bonahm did on Led Zeppelin's first track on the first album, 'Good Times Bad Times'," [Page] said. "How many drummers in the world can play that part, let alone on Christmas morning?"

1. Tons of drummers can play that part. I know at least two.


This song is also notable for drummer John Bonham's repeated use of a series of two sixteenth-note triplets on a single bass drum, an effect many subsequent rock drummers have imitated. Bonham had reportedly developed this technique after listening to Vanilla Fudge. He was unaware that drummer Carmine Appice was actually playing on a double bass set. As Page has stated:
"The most stunning thing about the track, of course, is Bonzo's amazing kick drum. It's superhuman when you realize he was not playing with double kick. That's one kick drum! That's when people started understanding what he was all about"

Yeah, tons can play it now, also are your friends playing it like Bonzo did?

moistD: Jack White and Jimmy Page have jammed together, and I think Page did some work with White on a song or two. The Edge is also in this documentary. Its mainly how these 3 extremely different guitarists build songs, find inspiration through and in music, etc. Its not as much as a "documentary" as a journey into the how and why of a great guitarist. I recommend watching the trailer for it

I should research before I speak. That actually looks pretty interesting. I'll have to check it out