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somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:07:38 AM  
Courtesy of WitchyDiva

Highlights of 6/20/09:


Protestors were violently blocked today from getting to Azadi and Englehab Squares by massive armed presence. This seems to be a direct result of Khamenei's speech and orders to meet protestors with violence. Protests happened in cities all over the country, and have been met with brutality. There are reports of protestors fighting back, even having burned down at least one Basij headquarter. One mosque was burned in Tehran with protestors inside it, though casualties are not known.

The government report that a suicide bomber struck at the shrine of Imam Khomeini, inflicting heavy damage and deaths, have NOT been verified. Iranian TV has been airing videoed "confessions" of Iranian youth saying that they had been recruited and trained to cause this disturbance by the UK, Israeli, and US governments.

Confirmed:
- at least 19 deaths, including what is becoming an iconic video of a young woman's graphic death
- authorities using water cannons, tear gas, and clubs on protestors (male and female, with some reports that the women are being beaten as hard if not harder than the men)
- helicopters dropping some sort of agent on protestors (likely CS). Khamenei claimed it was water to cool the protestors, Twitter reports that it burned and blinded people (it was NOT white phosphorous - burning sensation was consistent with CS)
- Basij using concrete-weighted PVC pipes as weapons.
- Basij marking doorways of protestor's homes
- At least one unit of the Iranian Police begged protestors for calm and peace
- Ministry of Culture on Saturday banned international media from reporting on the demonstrations unless they receive permission from Iranian authorities
- Iranian government has agreed to recount 10% of the votes, chosen at random
- Electricity was cut to many Tehran neighbourhoods on Saturday evening
- Mousavi issued a long statement today that asked protestors to remain peaceful (and not take revenge on the Basij), and demanded a new election. He also stated his readiness to become a martyr and asked iranians to strike in the event of his arrest.
- Hospitals have been recognized as unsafe, as Basij are laying in wait and taking injured people away
- Several Embassies are accepting injured iranians, and have asked for doctors to come forward.

Courtesy of somedude210

Things We're Gathering More Information/Confirmation On:

-Tanks moving into Tehran. More tweets coming in confirming the tanks. We don't know if its IRG, Army, or Basij using them. PK, CfI and knv have said that they do not know of any armored units moving into the city. PK believes its a hoax sent out by the government. Those that claimed to have seen it are RTs or 5+ hours old

-Basij waiting outside embassies for wounded. Sparse reports of it, not considered confirmed yet

-Whether or not Hizbollah from outside Iran has come to the government's aid. We have reason to believe Iranian Hizbollah (Anser) is being used. No confirmation on Lebanese Hizbollah or Hamas, rumors abound though of arabic speaking police, sparking this.

-What is occuring in other cities around Iran, such as Rasht

-Whether earlier reports of a section of Tehran (Eastern, I believe) was secured by protesters. They could very well have secured it at one point, but it could've been lost, not that light has fallen

-Acid from helicopters still thought to be tear gas/CS gas plus water. Symptoms seem to be consistent with those.

-Khemeini reported to have been taken to a military base for safety

-The status of the military and whether the Army and IRG are going to come out against the government. The IRG is the new police force, but it is rumored that they refuse to fire on civilians. One of the Grand Ayatollahs, who is against the SA, claims to have the backing of the army. more confirmations are needed

-Whether the report from the Assembly of Experts was a hoax or not regarding their support of the Supreme Ayatollah. If so, what is the statement from them

-Mullahs marching with protesters in Mashdad

-The fates of all Ayatollahs, especially those speaking out against Khameini such as Rasfanjani(sp?) and Monterizari(sp?), and other prominent leaders

-Which embassies are taking wounded


Also:
Iranian Tweet Grid (new window)

 
somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:08:40 AM  
Someone up for posting Tats thing? or is Tats around?

 
EchoMike [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:11:09 AM  
somedude210: Someone up for posting Tats thing? or is Tats around?

Tats is here in the other thread. I'd let him go back to handling it again.


Let's vote this headline up, people. I don't think we could do better for #34.

 
Sergio_Van_Lukenstein 2009-06-21 12:11:21 AM  
Here's the link to the latest version of Tatsuma's summary:

https://sites.google.com/site/tatsumairanupdate/ (new window)

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:12:13 AM  
I want to say good choice of songs, but I honestly hope it isn't.

I don't want Sunday to be bloody.

 
LikeTheSearchEngine [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:12:27 AM  
somedude210: - Hospitals have been recognized as unsafe, as Basij are laying in wait and taking injured people away

This is the most unconscionably vile thing I have read in a long time. It makes me so angry that I can't even think straight.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:13:01 AM  
good headline, and i can breathe in this thread. it farking sucks when they devolve into biatching about trolls and the relevance of the threads.

 
Kittypie070 2009-06-21 12:15:01 AM  
WHO DO I GET TO \TAILHUG!!????

 
Jack Armstrong 2009-06-21 12:15:30 AM  
drew46n2: good headline, and i can breathe in this thread. it farking sucks when they devolve into biatching about trolls and the relevance of the threads.

Absolutely. I spend more time accessing my preferences just to set someone else up for 'ignore' than I spend actually reaching the damn threads.

/which is why I pitched in the $5

 
somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:15:50 AM  
thanks for the props on the headline. I was listening to U2 today and realized that SBS was more or less the song for tomorrow

SilentStrider: I want to say good choice of songs, but I honestly hope it isn't.

I don't want Sunday to be bloody.


you and me both

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:16:10 AM  
Kittypie070: WHO DO I GET TO \TAILHUG!!????

I could use a hug.

 
Jack Armstrong 2009-06-21 12:16:31 AM  
Jack Armstrong: drew46n2: good headline, and i can breathe in this thread. it farking sucks when they devolve into biatching about trolls and the relevance of the threads.

Absolutely. I spend more time accessing my preferences just to set someone else up for 'ignore' than I spend actually reaching the damn threads.

/which is why I pitched in the $5


*reading, that is. Not 'reaching'

/a few too many

 
HeartBurnKid 2009-06-21 12:16:47 AM  
Jack Armstrong: drew46n2: good headline, and i can breathe in this thread. it farking sucks when they devolve into biatching about trolls and the relevance of the threads.

Absolutely. I spend more time accessing my preferences just to set someone else up for 'ignore' than I spend actually reaching the damn threads.

/which is why I pitched in the $5


The simple way is just to click through to their profile, then click on the "This user is not on your ignore list. Ignore?" link in there.

 
IronTony 2009-06-21 12:17:47 AM  
Anyone keeping tabs on Shepard Smith right now? Aside from the fact that he's not mentioned the difference between Basij and police, he's doing some damn good reporting.

 
somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:18:12 AM  
Jack Armstrong: drew46n2: good headline, and i can breathe in this thread. it farking sucks when they devolve into biatching about trolls and the relevance of the threads.

Absolutely. I spend more time accessing my preferences just to set someone else up for 'ignore' than I spend actually reaching the damn threads.

/which is why I pitched in the $5


i figured that since I was getting pissed off with the liters (though not all of them are bad) that there had to be more of us

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:18:44 AM  
Wanted to post this quite from Eisenhower. It seems really appropriate in this situation.

"I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it."

 
Mr. Cabron [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:19:07 AM  
And I'm back for a bit.
Tonight we can be as one

 
sys_64738 2009-06-21 12:20:32 AM  
Kittypie070: WHO DO I GET TO \TAILHUG!!????

I don't think there are very many people who'll refuse a hug right now.

We all knew--or at least expected--that today would be bad. But there are just some things you can't prepare yourself for, and the Neda video was one of them.

 
Jack Armstrong 2009-06-21 12:20:56 AM  
If this is indeed going to be the new thread, we need to post more info; I.E. the proxy info, torrent info, medical info, etc. etc. etc. We need to be as helpful from the beginning as we can.

/If the original posters don't bring them up, I'll start adding them in myself

 
somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:21:32 AM  
Anyone have a tally of total comments from these threads and the top 50 commenters? I'm curious to see what Tats absence has done to it

nice to have these lulls sometimes

 
Kittypie070 2009-06-21 12:22:23 AM  
YAYY!!!

(hugs Silent Strider)

(with my taaaaaaaiiilllll)

 
somedude210 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:22:30 AM  
Jack Armstrong: If this is indeed going to be the new thread, we need to post more info; I.E. the proxy info, torrent info, medical info, etc. etc. etc. We need to be as helpful from the beginning as we can.

/If the original posters don't bring them up, I'll start adding them in myself


start adding them in, minus Tats' thing. the link for that has already been posted

 
Sergio_Van_Lukenstein 2009-06-21 12:22:34 AM  
After the craziness and utter atrociousness of yesterday's events, I need to see this pic again.

i43.tinypic.com

/Hotlinked

 
IronTony 2009-06-21 12:23:31 AM  
sys_64738: Kittypie070: WHO DO I GET TO \TAILHUG!!????

I don't think there are very many people who'll refuse a hug right now.

We all knew--or at least expected--that today would be bad. But there are just some things you can't prepare yourself for, and the Neda video was one of them.


Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.

 
Visualingo [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:23:51 AM  
It's really sad that many in Iran are not seeing what's going on in their own country, especially the supporters of Ahmadinejad. I wonder how that would tip the scales.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:23:53 AM  
Jack Armstrong: If this is indeed going to be the new thread, we need to post more info; I.E. the proxy info, torrent info, medical info, etc. etc. etc. We need to be as helpful from the beginning as we can.

/If the original posters don't bring them up, I'll start adding them in myself



i say post whatever you think is relevant. bold it, and provide links. its pretty quiet right now...

 
Sergio_Van_Lukenstein 2009-06-21 12:24:11 AM  
Courtesy of UNC_Samurai (sorry, that I'm not posting the links to the badges)

Fark Revolutionary Armed Forces:

The 1st Joint Task Conundrum "Combining operations to keep the important bits separate.":
The 101st Chairborne Infantry Division - "Duty, Honor, 127.0.0.1"
58008th SAC Squadron - "The skies are cleared for weird"
The 1337th Fighting Keyboards Mechanized Division - "From dev/null We Stab At Thee"

The 32nd Mechanized Heavy Farktillery Division:
522 Heavy Farktillery Brigade - "Baffle them with brilliance, or bombard them with bullshiat."
51st Farktillery Brigade - "If we run out of shells, we'll start firing the empty pony kegs"

The 69th Counter Psych-Ops Division:
23rd Mostly Unashamed Fark Furry Fireteam - "That's not my screen shot! Anyone got some Newcastle?"
302nd Eye Bleach Brigade - "The 23rd was never here."
301st Internet Propaganda Machine Core - "Bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts."

The 82nd Airwaves Assault Communications Division:
316th IRL Public Affairs Brigade "Repeating the news for those too stupid to watch."
303rd Internet Media Propaganda Regiment: "Bringing you the Truth, no matter how bad it hurts".
140th Character Twit-Militia: "No, we don't get paid, but at least we can tweet about it"

The 1024th Binary Operations Corps:
501st Hacktivists Division - "What's that on our webp... OH GOD, MY EYES! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"
404th Logistical Support Battalion (proxies) - "We Hide With Pride So Others May Be Found"
50th Tactical Torrent Brigade - "We Seed so you don't have to!"
4077th Photoshop Division - "The Few, the Proud, the Digitally Insane"

The 22nd Anti-Personnel Division:
32nd Onion Ring & Bean Dip Chemical Weapons Brigade - "Silent and Deadly"
13th Tinfoil Helmet Brigade - "Semper Fnord"
52nd Mis-Information Troll Brigade - "Water is wet. Response: To some, yes, but that's what they want you to think"

Independent Operational Units:
The 22nd BoB Division. Belligerent Old Bastards - "Shouting at Clouds, Chugging MoM, Get Off the Lawn"
The 81st Carpal Tunnelers, "Depth Chargers"
The 14th Fark Lite Brigade - "Charging In As Soon As It's Green"
The 3rd Digital Peaceniks Division - "You have to listen to us, but at least you don't have to smell us."
The 42nd Anglo-French Silly Walking Python Ballistics Regiment. Motto:"Fetchez la vache"
The 505th F5 Lurkers Squadron - "Filling the skies with the F5"
The 4th Channel Clerical /b/rigade - "The power of the Lulz compels you!"
Farktography Special Detachment f/16 - "Elsinore's Whores"
TotalFark Marine BSOD Squadron -- "Esprit De Core Dump"
Special Investigations: Tatsuma Unit - "Because sleep isn't Kosher."
Fark Corps of Engineers, "Hell's Angles" - "Blowing your F*cking mind"
Copypastian Task Force: "Reposting things that we breaking news 24 hours ago (still 24 hrs AHEAD of CNN)"
Lurking Irregulars Tehran Twitter Division AKA Tube Rats (Motto: "We give a rat's a$$")
The Irregular Internet Militia - "Have blog, will post about it"
Fark Anarchist Brigade: Because orders are for pussies
Special Forces who are simply Anonymous - "Alone, Unarmed, Unafraid"
UltraFark Intelligence Agency
Rapid Initially Forming Fark Rear Area Fighting Force

 
Godscrack [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:24:30 AM  
I have this record!

 
itsa_revolution 2009-06-21 12:24:30 AM  
The Iranian gvt MUST have something on CNN. Either a correspondent at gunpoint or something. There's just no other reason for their reporting on this. FOX is giving better analysis and that's disgusting.

I see CNN kind of like a big ship. When something happens, it may take them a bit to get turned toward it, but once they do it's full speed ahead. But with this, it's been like full speed ahead with a big fat NOTHING

 
Mr. Cabron [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:24:55 AM  
I got to think during the downtime.

This situation and the election were/are both extremely personal to me and I just realized why. For the first time since 9/11, my faith in the power of individual has been restored. I now again believe that good people will band together regardless of race, color or creed to help one another simply because it's right.

Good or bad, however this ends we are all changed.

For the first time in a long time, I feel like saying bring on the future, we got this.

 
Visualingo [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:25:00 AM  
IronTony: Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.

Same here. The description alone is haunting me.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:25:17 AM  
IronTony: Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.



think of the vietnam video of the Viet Cong getting executed point blank with the revolver. This video has just as much, if not more of an impact.

 
Frank du TV 2009-06-21 12:25:26 AM  
Can we just make a new thread when this goes green, or just not vote it up? Please? I've been a Fark user for only 3.5 days and already I hate liters. Venting, don't listen to me, I'll get over it...

 
IronTony 2009-06-21 12:27:07 AM  
drew46n2: IronTony: Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.



think of the vietnam video of the Viet Cong getting executed point blank with the revolver. This video has just as much, if not more of an impact.


From the description (I've seen the execution), the man who is assumed to be the father screaming, the girl staring into the camera with her mouth... hemorrhaging...It has to be worse.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:27:29 AM  
Frank du TV: Can we just make a new thread when this goes green, or just not vote it up? Please? I've been a Fark user for only 3.5 days and already I hate liters. Venting, don't listen to me, I'll get over it...



no, you have every right. we seem to have pretty good discussions until the thread goes green, then its every man for himself.

 
Visualingo [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:27:33 AM  
itsa_revolution: FOX is giving better analysis and that's disgusting.

I can't stand Fox News as much as the next guy, but for breaking news and big events like this, I generally prefer to watch them. As long as they keep bias out of it, which they pretty much have been, sans that lady from earlier who wanted to attack Obama.

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:27:37 AM  
Sergio_Van_Lukenstein: Fark Revolutionary Armed Forces:

you forgot one, just formed in the last thread:
'Secret Muslin Support Battalion'

Anyone who joins gets a Quran-disguised-as-the-Yellow-Pages, and a prayer mat that doubles as a poncho.

And a new secret muslin middle name.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:28:37 AM  
IronTony: From the description (I've seen the execution), the man who is assumed to be the father screaming, the girl staring into the camera with her mouth... hemorrhaging...It has to be worse.


it is worse.

 
Mr. Cabron [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:28:38 AM  
Frank du TV: Can we just make a new thread when this goes green, or just not vote it up? Please? I've been a Fark user for only 3.5 days and already I hate liters. Venting, don't listen to me, I'll get over it...

When reasonable men/women refuse to engage in discourse, ignorance wins.

Translation: I know it sucks but if we don't do it they won't learn nothing.

 
Vanetia [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:28:48 AM  
Visualingo: IronTony: Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.

Same here. The description alone is haunting me.


To be honest, it wasn't as bad as I was imagining. You often end up thinking things up that are more horrific than the reality.

It is graphic, though, and the screaming of a family who has just realized their child is gone is very sad and horrible.

 
Frank du TV 2009-06-21 12:28:48 AM  
In serious thinking, twitter has quieted down and the remaining Iranian expats on my list are actually asking what is going to happen, little answer. Guessing that this means Twitter is becomeing less and less important for organization (and more dangerous) and moving into a support/reporting role. It's a real conflict, organizing happens on the local level in neighborhoods to keep Basij out.

This making sense or is it the Monster talking...

 
Jack Armstrong 2009-06-21 12:29:06 AM  
Via Casey17:

BBC PERSIAN TV AND RADIO (new window)

FAKE TWEETERS (new window)

TWEET GRID (new window)


OTHER GOOD INFO:

ANONYMOUS IRAN (new window)

 
witchofthedogs [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:30:13 AM  
Aw, thank the baby Jesus... the old thread, I fear, has devolved into a full-blown cockfest (again).

 
LikeTheSearchEngine [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:30:49 AM  
drew46n2: IronTony: Still can't bring myself to watch it. I just can't.



think of the vietnam video of the Viet Cong getting executed point blank with the revolver. This video has just as much, if not more of an impact.


Not any up front "oh my god don't!" like that video, but way more, "I... can't believe... she just... her eyes..."

Seriously, her eyes will be with me for a long time. Maybe forever. I think it has more impact than the vietnam video referenced.

Tony... everyone, I think, should see that video.

That said, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to go out of my way to show it to my wife, for the same reason you aren't watching it.

 
IronTony 2009-06-21 12:31:48 AM  
Frank du TV: In serious thinking, twitter has quieted down and the remaining Iranian expats on my list are actually asking what is going to happen, little answer. Guessing that this means Twitter is becomeing less and less important for organization (and more dangerous) and moving into a support/reporting role. It's a real conflict, organizing happens on the local level in neighborhoods to keep Basij out.

This making sense or is it the Monster talking...


If THIS^ is to be believed, the people taking on the Basij don't have access to twitter.

 
Frank du TV 2009-06-21 12:32:01 AM  
Mr. Cabron: Frank du TV: Can we just make a new thread when this goes green, or just not vote it up? Please? I've been a Fark user for only 3.5 days and already I hate liters. Venting, don't listen to me, I'll get over it...

When reasonable men/women refuse to engage in discourse, ignorance wins.

Translation: I know it sucks but if we don't do it they won't learn nothing.


I know, I know, I'm ventilating, though I object to calling trolling discourse.

 
drew46n2 [TotalFark] 2009-06-21 12:32:46 AM  
Frank du TV: In serious thinking, twitter has quieted down and the remaining Iranian expats on my list are actually asking what is going to happen, little answer. Guessing that this means Twitter is becomeing less and less important for organization (and more dangerous) and moving into a support/reporting role. It's a real conflict, organizing happens on the local level in neighborhoods to keep Basij out.

This making sense or is it the Monster talking...


the tweets are dull because its early, and the reliable on-the-ground tweeters are not currently updating.

 
Sergio_Van_Lukenstein 2009-06-21 12:32:54 AM  
Once again, courtesy of UNC_Samurai

Fark Revolutionary Armed Forces: (updated, with badge links)

The 1st Joint Task Conundrum "Combining operations to keep the important bits separate.":
The 101st Chairborne Infantry Division - "Duty, Honor, 127.0.0.1"
58008th SAC Squadron - "The skies are cleared for weird"
The 1337th Fighting Keyboards Mechanized Division - "From dev/null We Stab At Thee"

The 32nd Mechanized Heavy Farktillery Division:
522 Heavy Farktillery Brigade - "Baffle them with brilliance, or bombard them with bullshiat."
51st Farktillery Brigade - "If we run out of shells, we'll start firing the empty pony kegs"

The 69th Counter Psych-Ops Division:
23rd Mostly Unashamed Fark Furry Fireteam - "That's not my screen shot! Anyone got some Newcastle?"
302nd Eye Bleach Brigade - "The 23rd was never here."
301st Internet Propaganda Machine Core - "Bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts."

The 82nd Airwaves Assault Communications Division:
316th IRL Public Affairs Brigade "Repeating the news for those too stupid to watch."
303rd Internet Media Propaganda Regiment: "Bringing you the Truth, no matter how bad it hurts".
140th Character Twit-Militia: "No, we don't get paid, but at least we can tweet about it"

The 1024th Binary Operations Corps:
501st Hacktivists Division - "What's that on our webp... OH GOD, MY EYES! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"
404th Logistical Support Battalion (proxies) - "We Hide With Pride So Others May Be Found"
50th Tactical Torrent Brigade - "We Seed so you don't have to!"
4077th Photoshop Division - "The Few, the Proud, the Digitally Insane"

The 22nd Anti-Personnel Division:
32nd Onion Ring & Bean Dip Chemical Weapons Brigade - "Silent and Deadly"
13th Tinfoil Helmet Brigade - "Semper Fnord"
52nd Mis-Information Troll Brigade - "Water is wet. Response: To some, yes, but that's what they want you to think"

Independent Operational Units:
The 22nd BoB Division. Belligerent Old Bastards - "Shouting at Clouds, Chugging MoM, Get Off the Lawn"
The 81st Carpal Tunnelers, "Depth Chargers"
The 14th Fark Lite Brigade - "Charging In As Soon As It's Green"
The 3rd Digital Peaceniks Division - "You have to listen to us, but at least you don't have to smell us."
The 42nd Anglo-French Silly Walking Python Ballistics Regiment. Motto:"Fetchez la vache"
The 505th F5 Lurkers Squadron - "Filling the skies with the F5"
The 4th Channel Clerical /b/rigade - "The power of the Lulz compels you!"
Farktography Special Detachment f/16 - "Elsinore's Whores"
TotalFark Marine BSOD Squadron -- "Esprit De Core Dump"
Special Investigations: Tatsuma Unit - "Because sleep isn't Kosher."
Fark Corps of Engineers, "Hell's Angles" - "Blowing your F*cking mind"
Copypastian Task Force: "Reposting things that we breaking news 24 hours ago (still 24 hrs AHEAD of CNN)"
Lurking Irregulars Tehran Twitter Division AKA Tube Rats (Motto: "We give a rat's a$$")
The Irregular Internet Militia - "Have blog, will post about it"
Fark Anarchist Brigade: Because orders are for pussies
Special Forces who are simply Anonymous - "Alone, Unarmed, Unafraid"
UltraFark Intelligence Agency
Rapid Initially Forming Fark Rear Area Fighting Force
Secret Muslin Support Battalion

/figured out to do "view page source" to get the HTML links

 
YoungSwedishBlonde 2009-06-21 12:33:34 AM  
I'm leaving previous thread...people biatching about Tatsuma and the Hizbollah claim remind me of the spoiled bratty children who received the wrong colored Barbie or GI Joe for Christmas.

 
Khabi715 2009-06-21 12:33:42 AM  
Being that it's thread #34....

Naaaah.

I did hear U2's With or Without You when the Neda thing was coming to a head... it got some dust into my jaded eyes.

 
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